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I Turned a Can am Ryker into a Off-Road Monster


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  • TheStabbyCyclist
    TheStabbyCyclist 2 months ago +405

    The lack of rear fender is what really made this project shine.

    • Sailx
      Sailx 2 months ago +5

      Yeah it made it shine with dirt

    • joe blow
      joe blow 2 months ago +9

      Wow I was laughing real hard at that point! (Good sport to keep on doing it after that!)

    • yeahitskimmel
      yeahitskimmel 2 months ago +6

      ​@joe blow Once you're fully saturated with the first load of "pudding", I figure what's a few more

    • Ron Sabbie
      Ron Sabbie 2 months ago +1

      Going to be cleaning that crack for weeks. LOL>

    • Shannon Kopka
      Shannon Kopka 2 months ago

      I dunno, covering it with mud sort of covered the shine.

  • ZipKickGo
    ZipKickGo 2 months ago +83

    The skid plate and figuring a way to raise the suspension for ground clearance would make this thing badass

    • Tony Rome
      Tony Rome 2 months ago +10

      And better off road tires.

    • MostlyDangerous
      MostlyDangerous Month ago +4

      Making the front two drive would be good

    • Tripz Included
      Tripz Included Month ago

      and, off road tires .. (::)

    • DJ The Snak3
      DJ The Snak3 Month ago

      And the snorkel or else he would be cruising like a quad

  • 3WheeledMUA
    3WheeledMUA 2 months ago +5

    This was hilarious! But also I own a Ryker Rally. It has a skid plate stock and it a super fun machine!

  • 1990
    1990 2 months ago +8

    As a motorcyclist with over 250,000 miles under my belt, I also have a Can-Am Spyder F3-S. It's fantastic fun, and my favourite of my fleet - F3 plus four motorbikes and a scooter.
    Good video.

  • Todd Leach
    Todd Leach 2 months ago +25

    I laughed so hard when you hit the bogs and got stuck, dumping all that water and mud on top of you. It's an epic scene. You need to make that part a short video.

  • MiniKyle
    MiniKyle 2 months ago +5

    Hey man, just wanted to say that every video you put out is an absolute banger every time. There’s a lot of channels that push just senseless quantity low substance content, but every single video you put out always has lots of effort and entertainment in them and I really enjoy them. Keep up the good work!

  • JMK Garage
    JMK Garage 2 months ago +179

    As a father with 3 young kids who all enjoy wrenching with me in the garage, it’s very cool to see yours join you on camera.

    • TheUnluckyCharm
      TheUnluckyCharm 2 months ago +5

      I remember my dad doing that I was the flashlight man he would get PISSED OFF while fixing the vans but he made Mr and my brother laugh through his anger he never turned that anger on us

    • Johannes Nielsen
      Johannes Nielsen 2 months ago +2

      Me as well, he looks like he was having fun

    • Leonardo Colon
      Leonardo Colon Month ago +2

      I couldn’t agree more, I now have 3 grown women that can change oil, tires, bulbs and do brake jobs. On top of that THEY LOVE TOOLS.

    • Leonardo Colon
      Leonardo Colon Month ago +1

      @TheUnluckyCharm God bless you and know your Dad is very special. Tons of hugs to your Dad.

  • Bangarang!
    Bangarang! 2 months ago +11

    The mud runs were the best😂 This makes me wonder if, with front wheel drive or all 3, with tougher suspension and better tires, if this would be a winner.

  • Paincakes
    Paincakes 2 months ago +3

    Surprised it did a little better than expected. Put a lift, a tougher front skid plate/ brush guard and a more aggressive/ larger rear wheel I think you will have something.
    Side note: get the front tires a little wider or offset to the inside to add natural brake caliper and line protection.

  • codecircle
    codecircle Month ago

    Man, This project was still pretty fun to watch. I hope you guys later on try to build more steam punk style reverse trikes. I love these things when people just make them from scratch.

  • Michael Mitchell
    Michael Mitchell 2 months ago +10

    Such a cool video guys!!!. Your always doing fun stuff...be awesome to be a part of that....Craig's a lucky dude. Absolutely love the channel guys!!!

  • Matt’s take on the ancients

    You two are what kids dream they could do when they’re adults. Have the imagination to do wild things while having the money to accomplish it. It’s a joy to see how much fun you guys have. Being stuck in that mud bog looked so fun. No fender needed. Also didn’t know can-am were only 1 wheel drive. Imagine if all 3 pulled it be a ton easier to take off-road but it only having 1 seems to be most of the fun.

  • Cris
    Cris 2 months ago +81

    Creg is the cleanest dirt biker I’ve ever seen, see him avoid the water like it’s covid

    • KaosBC
      KaosBC 2 months ago +5

      I also hate mud when riding, I'll turn back if theres no other way lol... nothing worse than coming home exhausted from a long day of riding to have to scrub and poke and pull all the mud out of all of crevices on the bike wash it down yada yada so I say screw mud all of it

    • ERP
      ERP Month ago +1

      @KaosBC That's crazy. The mud is a big part of what makes it so fun.

    • KaosBC
      KaosBC Month ago +4

      @ERP mud was fun from ages 13-23...it is no longer fun in my 40's

    • ATVtv
      ATVtv Month ago

      Hahaha, I'm the same

  • jbw5485
    jbw5485 2 months ago +7

    Haha that’s awesome. Probably should’ve tried a smaller diameter rim on the rear with a more aggressive tire. Obviously would’ve had to figure out some adapters to make a different rim work but it would’ve been worth it. A maxxis carnivore or bighorn would’ve done wonders. Haha

  • Atticus nicol
    Atticus nicol 2 months ago

    Watching Sean get covered in muck and mud was just absolutely hilarious 🤣
    and time well spent 😂

  • Vinny G
    Vinny G 2 months ago +3

    You guys need to make it front/2-wheel drive!! It would dominate the trails like that!

  • Douglas Chitwood
    Douglas Chitwood 2 months ago +1

    I love you guys and think the world needs more gentlemen exactly like you Ya's. Thank you for all you do. SemperFi

  • Reel Gangsta
    Reel Gangsta 2 months ago +1

    If only they created the original 3 wheelers design to be more like this, they could have made having a 3 wheeler cool. That thing I'd badass. Keep Slaying!

  • Blubberboy18
    Blubberboy18 2 months ago +62

    Should figure out if you can mount an ATV tire to it. I’d love to see more of this awful beautiful beast

    • Keith Cross
      Keith Cross 2 months ago +3

      That's what I was thinking - seems like this thing could be a lot more functional!

    • Anderson84
      Anderson84 2 months ago +11

      Two sport quad front tires in the front and maybe a front utility quad tire in the rear and that thing would have been WAY more capable. Shame they went through all that effort and basically put suv tires on it.

    • Ashley Evans
      Ashley Evans 2 months ago +1

      A lot of people have been putting crawler treds on vehicles lately.

    • SLO Ride
      SLO Ride 2 months ago +1

      Suspension would have to be reworked. The ATV tires would be shorter, and the Can-Am already sits pretty low. Designing a long suspension for the front would be basic, but changing the rear geometry to a much steeper angle and longer travel, could put undue strain on, or just break, the driveshaft and transmission.

  • trutrek
    trutrek 2 months ago +5

    Since most of the weight was in the front, if it was front wheel drive, it might actually work really well.

  • Charles Blair
    Charles Blair Month ago +2

    FRO is a great testing ground for you guys! Also I noticed Craig has a event sticker on the front of the YZ. Does he race D6?

  • RIPbiker13
    RIPbiker13 Month ago

    A couple of years ago, I found your channel, and you started with words of wisdom. I loved that you incorporated the scripture into your videos. Here we are years later, you still do, and you provide wholesome and humorous entertainment. You guys are a beacon of hope in a dark world, and I love what you represent and what you do. I've been recovering from a bad motorcycle crash, and I'm living vicariously through your videos right now. I just wanted to say thank you for everything.

  • First Name Last Name
    First Name Last Name 2 months ago +2

    He probably should have tried to install a rear tire for sand dunes, special tires with rubber paddles, that might have an a different effect? 🤔 Maybe not because of all the different size stones and rocks and debris, etc.

  • Tobin S
    Tobin S 2 months ago +1

    The lack of rear fender is a healthy reminder to not drink and hit up taco bell at the end of it.
    Also, this thing as it sits is the gravel bike of the motorcycle world. Can go a lot of places you won't take a road bike, but not as far as mtb/off-road dedicated. Would like to see it after it gets a lift and shaft extension.

  • Reptar5.0
    Reptar5.0 2 months ago +138

    Love how it sounds like an outboard boat engine

    • JC Martinez
      JC Martinez 2 months ago +7

      It’s the same engine Sea Doo uses on the Spark PWC lol

    • Henk Oosterhof
      Henk Oosterhof 2 months ago +4

      Reptar5.0. Rotax engines. Used widespread. Snowmobiles/light(ultra)airplanes, farm and offroad utv s or whatyoucallthem. Sibe by sides. And whatever i cant point out because i am just a human being😉.

    • Kenneth Ketchum
      Kenneth Ketchum 2 months ago

      Sounded like it was choked(intake) when u really needed to keep the rpm's high,,,,

    • Eduardo Espinoza
      Eduardo Espinoza 2 months ago

      Is it a boxer engine? This is the perfect application for it. 😊

  • Michael Eden
    Michael Eden 2 months ago

    That was the funniest thing Sean has done in a long time! Do it again!

  • Ronnie Gillaspy
    Ronnie Gillaspy 2 months ago +1

    needed to be three wheel drive 😂 Great concept- needs several tweaks. Def back fender, skid plate, AWD, dirt bike tires, and some additional ground clearance for starters

  • HFV_Junkyardin
    HFV_Junkyardin 2 months ago

    This makes me miss having a dual sport. Even though it wasn't a proper dirt bike it was still awesome just how well it could go anywhere.

  • Wes DS
    Wes DS 2 months ago

    guy your channel is just so fun to watch. Keep up the good work. I'm glad you made the Can Am Dark Wing Duck-Mobile Extrordinare. Epic video editing skills. Props to you all....that includes Dan because we know he did all the hard work anyway!

  • Roy Smith
    Roy Smith 2 months ago

    This is going to be beastly and looks like a whole lot of fun

    MAGGOT VOMIT 2 months ago +44

    I love abomination builds!! That's why I built a dirtbike back in the 80's out of a '73 CB350 😎👍

  • Dylan Craig
    Dylan Craig Month ago

    The aesthetics of the front end are absolutely incredible. The whole tactical duck is an absolute win 👍

  • Fabulous Mike
    Fabulous Mike 2 months ago

    You sean gave me a hard time laughing when the mud starting to go over his head xDDDD i bet you guys had too a lot of fun!

  • dustcommander100
    dustcommander100 2 months ago +1

    Wait for the Can-Am with all-wheel drive to come out, and redo this one. It prolly won't be long, considering the number of sports cars, sedans, and minivans that now have AWD. Great video!!

  • JER1334
    JER1334 Month ago

    Really enjoyed the video man. I try to watch any new one's you have while on my lunch break. Always something interesting and funny. I hope you continue to do stupid sounding stuff that ends up being cool. Your living the dream my man!!

  • Michael Lothamer
    Michael Lothamer 2 months ago

    My recipe for a off road reverse trike was my 1992 banshee frame, full swing arm swap from a 1984* Suzuki gl 400. like 4r and 3L washers for centering swing arm. Cut rear sprocket at 45 degree angle in center and weld it back on the outside for a 1/4" offset, and this should get chain alignment darn close (may need to bend engine mounts slightly) and this worked, and functioned for my banshee. Definitely the MOST dangerous trike I slammed together, but driven like a sled, it was the best bestest. A 3" stretch was needed but not done. If you guys want the frame, it's in my backyard in IN come get it, no engine tho, it went back in its original home for everyone's safety:(

  • Danny Williams
    Danny Williams 2 months ago +15

    I think you guys hit on something that's pretty darn cool. With a few modifications I could see that going into production in certain parts of the country.

  • finaddict
    finaddict 2 months ago

    I would love to see this done correct. Raise the bike with new front end. Extend the rear with a larger shock. Bigger disc brakes. Skid plate with pod lights. Maybe even convert to chain. Could pit bike tires work in the front and rear. Maybe a all terrain tire in the rear.

  • Quackz Kustumz
    Quackz Kustumz 2 months ago

    Pro tip. You can put jb welded parts in the oven or bbq grille for 15-20 minutes and it will fully cure in under 30 min. I have had to customize the coolant crossover in my mustang and it heat works well

  • JF777
    JF777 2 months ago +2

    Easily one of the best channels on Clip-Share.
    Love the words of wisdom.

  • Nwm Sfb
    Nwm Sfb 2 months ago

    I couldn't stop laughing hard with the mud bogs! Priceless!
    IF you had real off road tires versus M&S road tires, was able to jack it up a bit, had a skid plate and some sort of nearly vertical shield to act as a protector for your back side it would have been interesting. As well as the pipes to let your Mad Max breathe....

  • russell zauner
    russell zauner 2 months ago

    Thanks for the inspiration - I've been slowly building up my tadpole (I'm disabled, can't ride regular no mo) to be stronger and stronger - the goal is to have it be able to finish KoTH at some point, but I think I'll need some suspension tweaks before then.

  • Jacob Burke
    Jacob Burke 2 months ago +31

    You fellas are literally living the dream. Also, just got my first bit of gear in from you guys. Comfortable af!

  • Helidude350
    Helidude350 2 months ago

    That looked like lots of fun 😁
    When you get ready to sell it, I’ll pass.
    Great video

  • Frank Dragotta's Frank TV

    You Guys never cease to amaze me lmao! Keep up the good work! ....Frank Dragotta

  • Kaizer Mordecai
    Kaizer Mordecai 2 months ago

    2 mins in and I love that you decide to give this reverse trike a chance! Respect!

  • Zack M
    Zack M 2 months ago +3

    I love how doing drifts makes you remember your favorite Bible verses! Love you guys.

  • Scottimus Garrett
    Scottimus Garrett 2 months ago

    Hilarious, you guys! I think it needs more travel, no?
    Thanks, gentlemen, and have a good one!✌️❤️🙂🇨🇦

  • JMK Garage
    JMK Garage 2 months ago +44

    Hahaha, you guys are awesome. I’m much more impressed than what your teaser photo had me thinking. Keep these shenanigans coming guys 👍

  • Gunnar Scott
    Gunnar Scott 2 months ago +1

    “You should see all the aluminum I inhaled” Craig kills me 😂

  • Jared Natlo
    Jared Natlo 2 months ago +1

    I couldn't stop laughing at the mud waterfall all over your back. I would say best off road machine off all time 👍👍

  • Gino Genari
    Gino Genari 2 months ago

    I think you would have been better off taking a hacksaw to the back tire to create knobs. We used to square off the knobs on the motocross bikes when the edges started to round.
    Fun build congrats.

  • Alan Harman
    Alan Harman 2 months ago +1

    i only just found your channel i have to say awesome job guys im all the way over in Australia and we cant do an 1/8 of the stuff you can do over there and drive it on the road
    Craig and Sean you guys are awesome Thankyou so much

    • Alan Harman
      Alan Harman 2 months ago

      Wow you guys replied
      I feel special thanks once again

    • Alan Harman
      Alan Harman 2 months ago

      The triple turbo did it for me I hope you can work it out in the future

  • Mopar_ Dude
    Mopar_ Dude 2 months ago +32

    Pretty impressive considering that you did it in only two days or so. I thought about doing something like this myself when I came across a savage title CanAm. My idea was to combine the front end of a 4x4 four wheeler so you could have three wheel drive. More time spent on this and you could work out some of the flaws and make a pretty fun off road vehicle.

  • Coffee's Hangar & Work Shop

    That thing looked cool AF... Regrettably it reminded of one of my favorite non Bible quotes; "pretty is as pretty does"... so it definitely needs an upgrade with a couple of front-mounted anti-balloon Cannon. You have the makings of the new cavalry right there... 👍

  • John Spanos
    John Spanos 2 months ago

    I cannot begin to tell you how loyal I am for how well you maintain your standards of remarkably irrelevant and absurd motorcycle chop shop technicians. LoL .
    Cheers to another brilliant video known as the motorcycle happy place. LoL

  • Latrinecleaner
    Latrinecleaner 2 months ago

    LMFAO Sean saying, "I think I fixed it" and then him displaying it more broken than it was before was the most Sean thing I've ever seen

  • Vincent's helpful hints

    Those trikes are crazy expensive, Happy to see you made some good use out of yours

  • R Mendoza
    R Mendoza 2 months ago

    Great idea you have there. You can raise the front end like they do to cars and trucks because it has the same kind of suspension and you can raise the back like a dirt bike. The back needs a wider tire that bites the ground.

  • Ty Tessier
    Ty Tessier 2 months ago +24

    Would really like to see many more videos like this! This is a great one, fellas.

  • Blackphoenix Entertainment

    As a Can Am Motovlogger this is awesome. I love seeing people take these machines and just do fun stuff with them like this.

  • Warren Floyd
    Warren Floyd 2 months ago

    Y'all had too much fun with this one wish I had been there!!!!🤣👍

  • Tim Nossem
    Tim Nossem 2 months ago

    I love that it still has the classic 1980s senior citizen snowmobile stance of the can-am

  • 4saken404
    4saken404 12 days ago

    Surprised you didn't try to fit a knobby wheel designed for a side-by-side on the back. Also narrower dirt bike tires in the front would probably work better.
    And I can't help but think that it would be nice to add some extra foot pegs a little bit farther back. That way you could stand up on it!

  • Je Saist
    Je Saist 2 months ago

    I can already see it now. Chad's Fab and Merlin's Old School Garage team up with Bikes and Beards for World's Smallest Off-Road Wrecker / Trike.

  • Kcav53
    Kcav53 2 months ago +10

    I like the idea of this and I personally would like the see possibly a tube chassis made to accept the entire driveline and front suspension of this bike with the ability to fit all the modifications you planned to do. Bigger, taller, more aggressive off road tires, snorkels for intake and exhaust, but you'd have to stretch the wheelbase in the rear for tire AND fender fitment! Not to mention a radiator w/ a fan going the right way.... 😚

    • Old Man Gamer
      Old Man Gamer 2 months ago

      But if they were going to build the frame, they might as well start with the engine and trans from a front wheel drive car and try to rig it to also drive the rear wheel.

  • rusty nail
    rusty nail 2 months ago +1

    Wow that diesel dirtbike sure changes alot. Glad it runs...little skinny wheels up front would be better think like a tractor

  • Mjr Burn
    Mjr Burn 2 months ago

    I laughed way to hard at your lack of fender and the result.
    I couldn't help thinking the whole time you were building it out that you were going to miss the fenders.
    I think I may have been right.
    Lots of fun to watch and I bet it was a blast out there riding it, well done...

  • Josh Rugg
    Josh Rugg 2 months ago

    I have dreamed of this for YEARS. Always wanted to see a spyder as an off-roader

  • Lucky D
    Lucky D 2 months ago

    Awesome footage! Don't know if it's been said but have you ever tried regular table pepper in your radiators to clog leaks? Been using that solution for many years no problem, great results. Maybe a time saver for some stuff.

  • Rex
    Rex 2 months ago

    Since the wildpeaks are a car tire they are very very stiff and they are stiffer than all seasons so they need to run much lower pressures to perform well offroad in my experience. They are made to handle lower pressures than normal tires.

  • Creepimations
    Creepimations  2 months ago +29

    Can't wait to turn this into an animated story

  • Darren D
    Darren D 2 months ago +1

    As always cool video. You guys always look like you have fun.

  • Derf 13
    Derf 13 2 months ago

    It great to see family time, chuckles & all! One would think you should rent that out for parties, as a "Pudding Fountain"!! Lol! Might have to grind those tires, a least some siping, to gain some grip. Excellent funnies, & stamina to hang in there! Thanx !

  • John King
    John King Month ago

    Really good fun guys, obviously with a bash plate and proper knarly tyres it could work! Keep up the science stuff! 😅

  • JoeHamRadioGuy
    JoeHamRadioGuy 2 months ago

    Haha that looked like fun, now is you and Craig found a way to add a drive shaft to the front wheels I bet you would make it up them hills and through water lmao

  • Rainrawt 355
    Rainrawt 355 2 months ago

    From the front it looks like a snowmobile backwards on a trailer rolling down the hill towards the camera 😂. You guys are awesome 👍

  • cboys fan
    cboys fan 2 months ago +7

    I think it definitely would work better if the two front wheels had the power like front wheel drive

  • specialse
    specialse 2 months ago

    best use for one of those trikes ive seen in years,,,,,good job guys 😄

  • Jay Kanngiesser
    Jay Kanngiesser 2 months ago

    Common field fix for rad leak: Carefully remove the adjacent fins. Cut the water passage. Fill with JB Weld, silicone etc. Before it sets, use needle nose pliers to fold over the tube and seal off. Good to go!
    Done many times.

  • Chase Brunner
    Chase Brunner 2 months ago

    That Looked Fun To Try Out I Bet It Would Be Better If It Was Like A 3 Wheeler And Had The 2 Front Tires In The Back More Traction

  • L C Dubs
    L C Dubs Month ago

    It actually looks pretty capable. What it needs now is a back rack/fender combo, handlebar mounted headlights and a front luggage rack, and it would be a cool and very unique rig for backroad exploring and camping.

  • bustin yanutz
    bustin yanutz 2 months ago

    Should've used a UTV tire, it would be way more aggressive tread pattern and they come in many sizes up to 35"

  • Teemow Tee
    Teemow Tee 2 months ago +18

    the back fender removal was the best idea here!! hahaha GREAT STUFF, GUYS!

    • volvo09
      volvo09 2 months ago +2

      That was truly hilarious! My face hurts from laughing at all that mud!

  • Crispy Crisp
    Crispy Crisp 2 months ago

    From UK
    Ya great keep it upp
    Been watching for a while now
    Love the show
    Wish I was there sum days
    The things you get up to brilliant
    And the crete builds you do get me every time
    All great bike buys building...dropping
    My new word lol
    Its like a Ferrari gonna stick
    I'll say again your all great keep it coming
    Crispy duck

  • Sean Fram
    Sean Fram 2 months ago

    im so happy your making videos again i love these guys

  • juSTIn Turner
    juSTIn Turner 2 months ago

    When you about to ride it and said “there’s one thing I need to do first and we all know what it is” I thought you were gonna bust out the detail spray 😂

  • Turk_85
    Turk_85 2 months ago

    For sake of argument, the "awesome three-wheeler that's always rolling over and crushing children" (as a child I loved them too BTW) was actually 2 wheel drive. They had a solid rear axle and provided power to both rear wheels. Atleast that's the way the ATC200(E?) that we had was.

  • Matthias Schulz
    Matthias Schulz 2 months ago

    Awesome Idea 😂.
    Have you guys ever Heard of the East German manufacturer Simson? They had some pretty awesome mopeds in their range of models such aus the Duo which was/is a three-wheeler. Or the Schwalbe/Swallow, a moped which has gained cult status nowadays in parts of Germany. Check it out.

  • LocalVet
    LocalVet 2 months ago +8

    probably feels a lot like a snow mobile, maybe make the back half a track

  • Nate Sargeant
    Nate Sargeant 2 months ago

    It wouldnt be as good as a regular radiator, but a heater core would work for you on a pinch. Could have doubled up.

  • magpie66
    magpie66 2 months ago

    Good stuff, that looks like great craic😊 surely there must be better off road tyres for more grip?
    Hey ho, fair play lads... very entertaining😉

  • no knee down ian
    no knee down ian 2 months ago

    I was wondering when ghe lack of rear mud guard would be an issue 😂

  • Old Man Gamer
    Old Man Gamer 2 months ago

    It's an interesting concept, but I wonder what would happen if you'd have started with a snowmobile. Newer ones have decent suspension, you could pull the skis and put on off road tires then replace the track with 2 or 3 smaller wheels in tandem.
    That would make it a 4 or 5 wheeler instead of a 3 wheeler, but it would have decent traction.

  • RedBeard
    RedBeard 2 months ago

    I would never have thought a one wheel drive vehicle would be great off road.

  • Timothy Price
    Timothy Price 2 months ago +7

    Amazing that three-wheeler did what it did. The mud-slinging off the rear tire was hilarious.

  • Alek
    Alek 2 months ago

    Man.... if only you had those front wheels on drive too.. would be amazing I think... Possible to convert it to 3wd? You have a new challenge.. :)

  • Wrecked Revival
    Wrecked Revival 2 months ago

    @18:57 my abs hurt from laughing so hard at the muddy water being slung right onto you, that was hilarious 😂

  • Bible Questions with Christopher

    Love the video. The build/bike looks miserable. Fun to watch. Keep up the great fun and laughs guys.

  • Karting Wild
    Karting Wild 2 months ago

    I’m surprised you didn’t go to a local go karting track for a new rad. With the engines we run (125 rok 2strokes and 125 rotax 2stroke) we run the same rads that you probably needed