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Running A Tightrope: DOOM's Most Precarious Speedrun
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- Published on May 28, 2019 veröffentlicht
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In this video we will take a long at one of Doom's most difficult and respected speedruns.. The Chasm. It was awesome to be able to go back and dig up the rich history on this level. I suggest you give this level a go, it's incredibly difficult. These speedruns make it look a lot easier than it really is.
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Music:
Classic Doom: E1M5
Doom 2: The Healer Stalks
Classic Doom: E1M8
Classic Doom: E1M3
Doom 2: In The Dark
FTL: Lost Ship (Explore)
Ecco The Dolphin: Home Bay
Tetrobot and Co.:Travelling With Friends
The Flinstones: Unused Song 2 Gaming
No... Don't make a Clip-Share comment correcting him for calling them "floating skulls." Don't be "that guy" ...
...
OH FFS! THEY ARE CALLED LOST SOULS!!!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
I'm 7 minutes in and he's called them Lost Souls 4 times and floating skulls once. The fuck is your point my man?
Its just a bit of fun
@Karl Jobst We were discussing if thats an east german accent maybe? "Duum" :D However, "floating skulls" is totally ok as an explanation/description - everybody will know what is meant.
If i have a bit of german/austrian accent thats plausible as my dad is austrian and my grandparents are german.
I propose a compromise, Lost Skulls.
10:07 “I hate ledges.”
13:06 “I love ledges.”
What a great character arc.
23 years later, he's legally married to them.
Top ten anime character arcs
Top ten anime plot twist 😂
Tsunderes in a nutshell
Early runs: meticulous ledge walking
Late runs: Tony hawk's pro skater ledge manouvers
Hahahaha boa, ri demais!
Satan: Don’t worry, kickflipping doomguy isn’t real. He can’t hurt you.
Kickflipping Doomguy:
Ikr
They went from Dark Souls 1 to Devil May Cry 5.
I noticed something on Looper’s run, when he went through the toxic waste, he only took 5 ticks if damage instead of the other runner’s 6 ticks. That has convinced me that Looper had near perfect movement while running through the the toxic waste.
Well, it's possible to get 5 ticks of damage even with SR40, but it requires luck, as toxic waste damages every 0.9s, no matter where doomguy is.
I know that it's been lots of time, but whatever, just wanted to say the thing :)
@Dark Riot Yeah, but the cycle would always start on the same tic, no? So he must be just that tiny bit faster still.
Having run the level a lot i think it has to with navigating the corners smoothly in sync with the view bob. I can definitely tell which runs i should have 75% and which runs I should have 70% by my own movement.
Keep in mind damage tics aren't determined by when you fall in the toxic waste, but when the level starts, so he could have had more perfected movement *somewhere* in the level that could have offset the time so he could fall in between tics and only get five instead of six.
Me looking at those walkways:
“Hello you absolute ledges.”
HAHAHHA
...
I need the police this man is the most halarios man ever
@Michael Enz is your name in Clip-Share what i think it is
@Асен Асенов ?
@Michael Enz what
The developing romance between demonlord and the ledges was a welcome twist in his character arc
lols
"Doom is a very fast paced game"
Me, slowly wandering around maps, looking for health pickups while praying there isn't some demon around a corner: "Yeah right"
Yeah fast paced if you don't care about getting all secrets and kills. Some people don't but I love getting 100% everything
i just love how this narrator makes these people sound like the pantheon of immortals
absolute legends, u mean
That's because they are. Mortal men need not apply.
This sounds like blasphemy, let's get him boys
They are so he doesn't need the try
Your presentation is fantastic. I've watched a few of your Quake and Doom videos now and each one has been really entertaining from start to finish.
I love your arma 3 videos!!!!!!!!
Agreed Dyslecxi
Yeah Karl, you're an absolute LEGEND
5
POV: You're wondering why there are so little replies
_"This was however, before I started to love all ledges, all of them... and they me."_
Yep. The guy just went mad crazy.
I actually thought it was pretty funny when I wrote it. Made peace with 'em with this recording, and left it at that..
@DL - are you joking?
thats actually how im going to approach life from now on
gotta glide trough life's ledges lol
you're a legend man :')
@Levi • I don't think it's the real one. His account was made a year after this video.
I actually think it's him
Rizaadxn no
I love how Sedlo stuck with his vision and kept running the ledges
The balls on that guy lol
"new strat? Hold that thought, need to get WR with the old strat first"
And then immediately gets 0:34 with the new strat once business is settled
"Come on Looper we're about to cut the cake."
"Just give me 32 seconds!"
Hah
Awesome
"But we don't have time!"
"I'm speedrunning the Chasm!"
"Okay! Okay! We'll wait for you."
"Kai's record would only last four days"
The eternal speedrunner curse.
The record did a speesrun of it's own
'Love the ledges, and they love me'
He genuinely started to sound insane at that point.. I guess speedrunning chasm for a year will do that to a man..
I know that this video has been uploaded for a while, but I was just looking for someone who had posted precisely this. When I heard that in the video it crept me out. It's crazy how much some people put at risk their health (in this case their mental health) to beat a record of any kind.
Haha! It sure does! You should try it...
@Gerrard Weatherlight how can these things badly affect mental health?
@Asim Siddiqui "The definition of insanity, is doing the same thing over again and expecting a different result."
-Einstein
I heard that in the essence of...
This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine.My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.Without me, my rifle is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will ...
Demonlord walked so they can run :')
true legend
And then he full on sprinted when they started running
I mean he took everything he learned from their runs and did better basically every time
So cute
Super underrated comment
Doom guy: *running across ledges at high speed and riding walls*
Demons: *W-what?* **visual confusion**
Hey, he just squeezed past me to grab the red key!
N-nani?! Strafe Run Dorifto!!!
demons: wait doom guy can wallrun?
Doom guy: always could have.
"maybe I don't take the time to get the rad suit and just lose some hp"
like a caveman who just discovered fire in comparison to the later runs
It's really mind blowing to see how much time and effort that went into improving this particular speedrun
Dude you are everywhere, how do you do that? Do you just comment on every video you see
Still want green beard?
See what I mean, eveywhere.
min bloguin*
I went to his channel. His channel description is just some guy who comments for fun. He has one video with 4.1 million views. That's why he's verified.
This video was beyond fascinating. Watching the complete history of a speed run for a particular map really showed how intricate these things are. As an outsider with only passing knowledge of the community this really opened my eyes to how much passion is given to it. Kudos to this video.
Damn hearing that Demonlord never held the record for Chasm ever again made me a little sad inside...
I was rooting for him the whole time...
Mortem same
:(
He still had to do lots of discoveries, so despite not holding the record, still worth the fame
Demonlord is a beast
Perhaps The Chasm could be a useful training tool for speedrunners looking to optimise their movement. It forces you to run a path with confidence and precision, which is a skill that could apply well to more barren levels.
The real record was the absolute legends we met along the way.
*ledges
I love the sportsmanship between these players. As an outsider to the community, they feel like a group of friends encouraging each other instead of fighting against each other.
Other speedrunners: (in-depth 5 paragraph analysis of their run, saying every blemish they made and that they could have optimized.
Pilger: “I really hate those ledges.”
Watching this like "why isn't he bunny-hopping?" Then I remember old-school Doom didn't have jumping. I'm so used to modern games having jumping and seeing every gamer bunny-hopping everywhere (either for speed advantage or just screwing around) that seeing Doom w/o bunny-hopping struck me as odd.. then I remembered it never had it.
bhopping has vanished from most of the modern fps
@ikagura yeah, many seem to mimic real life and more jumping = you get slow af. Like Battlefield 5.
While watching the first of Demonlord's runs I was like "Why isn't he jumping? ... oh, wait, he can't here"
@ikagura including DOOM Eternal it seems
@Chris Mckee Quake Champions as well?
this is the most granular explanation of a subject I have zero interest in but somehow I can't stop watching.
it's some serious shit
What make this topic so alluring for people who don't even speedrun is that how with time and dedication someone can reach what deemed impossible and also competitive nature of it.
What do you mean you have 0 interest in Doom
@Kos 291 That and these vids have great editing/narration
@Kos 291 or some say kosm
You know your content is great when someone like me who has no interest and never played doom and no really into speed running watched the whole video through
Same. Except I've watched this video multiple times, I keep coming back to it. It's possibly one of my favourite videos.
I absolutely love your videos. Whenever I’m having anxiety or get depressed these videos help me so much. Thanks 😊
I love the runner notes. They're like the journal entries written by soldiers in the battlefield. A historical document to be preserved.
"The only one to complete a UV pacifist run of underhalls was ZeroMaster"
decino: **laughs in mastermind**
Great refenece
I'm pretty sure decino said he had to abuse save states
I never played a doom game in my life, and i don't speedrun, yet youtube recommended it to me. And i loved it lol. Some people just have a way of telling stories that makes any topic interesting to anyone
The ledges drove him so mad he began loving them
I wonder if that's how Sheogorath got started with cheese.
@handsomebrick oh man I was going to comment that :(
Dr. Doomlove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Ledges
Apart from everything else, I find it a bit amazing that such decent gameplay recordings were able to be done in 1996
Edit: And when I watched just one more of Karl's vids, he explained how the demos can still be downloaded which explains the recording. I love this channel!
Need to appreciate the fact DOOM used demo files for recordings so even 2 and a half decades later we can see exactly what those players did down to the exact input. It's like a nostalgic time capsule.
It’s so surreal to me that i wasn’t even alive when the earliest records were set
Same
I'd love to see a 3rd person view of the catwalk sections to see how close they are to falling lol
I'm curious about whether the speed-runners saw this video and the pride they must have felt. You did good guys, you did good.
"Not by just 1 or 2 seconds, but by 3 seconds"
Damn
Super Mario Bros. speedruns be like
"OMG GUYS I IMPROVED WR BY 0.1 S FFS YEAH!!"
@valera456 a record is a record
@purdy you can't say it's only 0.1 seconds
It mirrors real sport times. You'd think 1 Second isn't a lot, but this is really the part of the game where even getting a few frames extra is an olympic feat.
For a speed run that's quite a big difference. Depending on what run and on how many times the record has already been improved of course.
Those later runs almost look like TAS runs, very impressive
These videos are such adventures to watch, very well put together and truly gives me an appreciation for ever single technique these incredibly high level runs use and how those techniques developed overtime.
I don't even really play games but I LOVE speedrunning. Just goes to show you don't have to play the games to enjoy the sport, much like you don't need to play football to enjoy watching it!
I used to play Doom a ton as a kid, but I enjoy watching speedrunners in all kind of games I've never played (no time at this point in my life, I'm a junior doctor.)
Thank you so much for the amazing content! The technical skill of speedrunning and the community around it is inspiring and fascinating, thank you for bringing it to a new audience :D
These speedrunners are so clean with their movements that they make it look like you CAN'T fall off the wall. Amazing.
I was only 12-13 years old in 96 but I used to get so scared because I get deeply emotionally attached to most games I play, I used to try and blaze through them. If only I knew about these speed runs back then! Watching this really brings back some memories! Great video as always!!!
You can't be too old to speedrun. Give it a chance sometimes. The community is very helpful in terms of tips and tricks..
It's great that there is so much saved footage and documentation for these records that you can make such an in depth video of events that happened over 20 years ago
It really is amazing. I ran into watching this Speedrun History stuff after it appeared in my Recommendations 7-8 months ago. Learning about all these Absolute Legends and being able to see footage from 20+ years ago is remarkable! So glad I found this community it's so cool to watch!
Demo files were a genius way of being able to watch someone's replay while keeping filesizes to a minimum. I wish more games still had this kind of feature.
That's the best part, it's not even footage, just demos. Lightweight, easily shared, and usually accurate. (Downside: rarely, glitches cause desyncs, or different ports suffer from incompatibility.) Absolutely the case that Doom created speedrunning as we know it!
For a lot of games that is true, but for doom it's even better as others have said the runs were saved as txt files of the exact button presses(saved by the ga,e) that anyone could send and receive easily even on dial up that now you plug them into doom and can watch in 2019 quality
@Myself There is already such a category: tool-assisted speedrunning.
Speedrun isn't just a form of entertainment, it's art
8:31 that gameplay went from 0 to 100 in a millisecond
I've watched it maybe six times now? I go back to it every other day, because it's so interesting to listen to. Not only because those people are training and breaking Doom's records for 27 years, but because your material is so well organized, so well written and edited. This is so relaxing to watch. Thank you, sir.
Love how Demon Lord was open to new methods discovered by others but mastered them
Karl is the only guy that can get me to watch a 30 minute video about the history of speedrunning a game that I don't play and have never even seen played fast. Great video
i was rooting for demonlord the whole time.
i'm glad he had a happy ending
Did he go to a Thai brothel?
''He is now living a happy life with ledges''
@chchedda more like Thai Ledgethel
@Levi • lmao
He’s like late 40s now. Heck, most of the doom speed runners back then are like old, on their late 30s to 40s.
I truly admire people that put all eggs on the pan to make history big shout out to karl and all the doom warriors that worked so hard to make doom history
Imagine being a demon and seeing Doomguy running towards you at 60 miles per hour.
Doom speedrunners playing this level and getting to the walkway section:
HELLO YOU ABSOLUTE LEDGES
Lololol
These Ledges really are in a League Of their own...
Decino should've included the ledges in his doom 2 nightmare tier list (I know the tier list only includes monsters)
I remember this video. It's great. I really like these speedrun progression stories because only insiders have all this info and it's really great to somewhat tap into the drama we missed out on. So very detailed and informative, I love it
As an 8 year old, I remember watching my much older brother and his friend speedrun Chasm and being in awe. I asked how did he get so good and no joke, I still remember to this day his answer: "I love Chasm because it's so hard."
Basically, his experience confirms what Demonlord said, to love the ledges.
"You just need to know where to run, and be very fast."
Words to live by
It really is ironic that FPSes and not Sonic The Hedgehog games are the biggest _speedrunning_ games.
"You just need to look down and haul your ass."
exactly if you know the map you can run all the way through the map and I know it well enough to do that.
@Voxel In-game doesn't always match in-lore. And _whoosh_
@Carbon Roller Caco woooosh*
I love how entertaining this can get even for a non-speedrunner
This was incredibly entertaining, I respect both the dedication that went in to make the video and also think of all the hours over the years that went into this record. It's kind of mind blowing. Pretty dope.
Oh the memories.... This is the video that got me subscribed to Karl and he is the guy who made me understand and admire speedrunning. Something I would otherwise never do.
Can we just a minute to appreciate that demonlord set the time at 1:58. Then through the fire of competition was able to push it down to less than a minute.
That had to be a good day for him 😃
its so cool to have this speedrunning history preserved.
Never stop these. You're very good at explaining and cataloging speedrunning history and breaking down tricks.
Yes and nice touches like not showing the final time until the end of Loopers WR run, excellent content as always.
I love this. As a person who just BARELY got into DOOM Classic in 2018 I've been absolutely obsessed with it. I've been playing it almost exclusively Project Brutality, but the game is incredible no matter how you play it. Watching these makes me love it even more.
Are you loss?
@VictoryfortheFreeman I think he is.
@Charlie Digital brutal doom and map pack also doom 2 facination
I dont even play video games but I love this channel and particularly this video. The progression is amazing. I must have watched it a dozen times and just cant get enough.
This guy really makes these videos interesting with the amount of details and explanations. Well done. Suddenly I wanna be a video game speed runner.
After watching Karl's Hangar video I decided to try and speed run the level for fun. My God do these speed runners have some skill and mental fortitude.
Would be so fun to see you interview people like Seldo and the other legendary speedrunners!
i could watch this video 1,000,000 times and not get bored it is so amazing how fast they do it
I saw this video when it came out. Still couldn't resist clicking it. This video is one of the best on this channel, which is saying something because there are so many great videos on this channel. I appreciate the effort you put in and I always anticipate your next project.
"This is the epitome of human kind achievement, and I cannot think of a more literal perfect run ever existing. Everyone can begin marveling at how far life has taken us."
"Two days later the record was taken down by 15 seconds."
The Chasm being performed with such skill is like an art piece about the fine line between love and hate, beauty and horror, genius and insanity. One missed step and who knows where one might land.
It's surreal for some reason to watch some of this footage. I grew up playing doom but was born in '02. Seeing gameplay of something that I grew up with that was recorded before I existed is very bizarrely humbling as to just how strong the DOOM community is. Rip and tear, friends. Rip and Tear.
This is the video that got me interested and watching speedrunning. The level of skill and dedication here is insane.
It should be a paid sport.
Yet another incredibly well researched and structured Doom journey. Thanks Karl
This has quickly become one of my favourite videos. I put it on as background noise when I'm doing chores because I never get tired of hearing about this speedrun.
The Chasm or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love The Ledge
Holy shit you beat me to it ahaha
How I met your ledge
Nice dude
Dude where’s my ledge?
Ow the ledge
I have no real interest in speed running myself, but I can't get enough of your videos. So fascinating to me. Thanks.
You know, now that I have DOOM (1993) I appreciate these speedruns even more. At first when I watched this video I was like “hmm, this is interesting and seems like a fun game”. Oh boy, how little I knew about how fun the game is. Once I get good enough at it and learn as many of the speedrun tactics I will attempt one of my own.
I teared up a bit when you talked about how that was the last time Demonlord would hold the record for that level and when you read out his comments. It's like in movies when an old, wise protector figure steps down because they know their protection is no longer needed and now they can finally go to be at peace
Absolutely amazing. The dedication is unmatched
it's bonkers watching people take self-imposed, arbitrary challenges like this so seriously, but somehow i love it
normal people: Yesss I'm finally done with this level
speedrunners: *I'll F*ckin do it again*
People who think the PAR times for the level were expected to be beaten. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
this is a goofy meme
If you watch streaming of speedrunners it's like normal occurrence of restarting the game for every slip up they did. 99% of speedrun stream people tend to talk to each other about random stuff and only 1% when they focus on the screen to see possible record breaking moment
@Kos 291 That's one of the many reasons I tend to watch it after the stream. ;)
@gozinta82 but talking to fellow viewers tend to create friendship and great discussion about stuff.
Karl jobst has one of the most convictious voices ive ever had the pleasure of listening to 😂
this is the video of yours i have watched over 100 times. its like a damn lullaby to me
Ive watched this video 3 times within 3 days, it's SUCH A GOOD VIDEO. Keep it up dude make more!
These are very well made. I'm enjoying them a lot.
Great story, awesome video, these dudes had some serious dedication!
I like how in the beginning they're just inching their way across the ledges and by the end they're just jumping and gliding along them like they're skating not even worrying about falling in
This is exactly what skiing feels like tbh. You learn to stop trying to move like a human being, just like here where you need to stop moving like there are ledges.
Now they L O V E ledges
Think about the technology players had to have in 1997 to record a speed run. Every goof up would required a bunch of steps to be repeated, hard drive space filling up, etc. Now, computers have so much more power that it could be streamed in real time online with a couple of button clicks.
@Chromatest J. Pantsmaker
Karl explained this in another video. Doom and quake use "demos" which are basically really small files that capture the movement perfectly. That's why these runs are such good quality.
I love how all these guys used they're own strategies but fuse them with others
I watched this like a year ago and remember that i was blown away. Your videos are some of the best on youtube. Good stuff man.
Incredible to see runs from the mid 90s. I was a bit too young to actually play Doom, because my parents wouldn't allow me to play this. But 2 years later I got my hand on the PS1 version of Doom and it changed my mind. I'm not a speedrunner but I admire the ones who do and have such skill.
seeing the date on these completely amazed me. i am entirely unfamiliar with doom and how it works, and looking into how demo files work was so cool. it makes me SO happy there's so much history preserved with these, especially with doom being such an old speedgame. thank you for covering stuff like this!!
Amazing video Karl, lots of fun memories came out when watching this. History of "The Chasm" was indeed something special, and it is what made me enter that seemingly endless battle for the "optimal" time :). 36 sec run is my personal favorite and hardest run I ever done. It was pure good old sr40 running :). Over the years I've got many positive feedbacks from doom community about my work and it felt good, each time, thanks to everyone for that btw...but man your introduction to me in the video was true blast :). Made me even blush a little and I thank u for that sir. Also I red all the comments. U guys made me realize just how old I am :) but also U made me satisfied to see there are so many of you who still rememeber/play this great game. Seeing this video makes me feel like all those hours spent on playing doom worth something. As a proud father of two young boys now I have something cool to show them, which involves their father youth.
Marijo Sedlic An outstanding comment married an outstanding video. Excellent job, one and all. :) :)
epic gamer
Do you make videos anywhere? would love to watch you play just about anything.
Vrhunski odradjeno nema sta, svaka cast
you're a legend dude
I have to admit that the tones of your voice explaining some mundane things like an extra second in a speedrun sound so epic as if the fate of the galaxy is at stake.
Pacifist runs in games heavily centered on killing things is always interesting. The strategies and movement needed to avoid enemies is always fascinating, and seeing it end up being optimal in a run without that restriction is just the cherry on top
Watching this, I've been blown away by the number of finnish doom speedrunners and their success in running it.
ive watched your vids over and over i even go to sleep to them sometimes, dunno why but i just love this stuff and it sets me at ease
This was probably my my favorite end game level because of how sloppily huge it was
A few things.
1: Demonlord is a legend. He was the one who invented this speedrun.
2: Sedlo is amazing. I could not get anywhere close to his runs even with years of practice.
3: Looper is a god at this game. let the numbers speak for themselves.
4: it's kinda amazing that even after all these years, doom is still one of the spookiest first-person shooters out there.
I hope you all have a good day, and Especially you, Looper, if you're reading this.
I would call them all insane, speedrunning looks so weird to us normies just trying to enjoy games non masochistically 😂
Demonlord also lost his mind, judging by his final message.
"The secret is to really love those ledges.. And I do."
"...I started to love ledges, all of them.. and they me. They let me through with a time of 45."
@Stefan M. Probably played more Chasm than all of us normies combined to get that 45.. and with that other guy throwing the slight jab out there saying that Demonlord could only maybe beat the 48 by a second or two.. dude probably held back submitting some 46 and 47 runs just out of spite.
@ThomasMink I probably did. But it was still just for fun at the time. An obsession to some degree perheps, but not anywhere near the Sedlo, Looper runs..
@DL - are you even real? -_-
I didn’t realise speedrunning was already so rich and well documented back in the days
Respects to that one pinky in the blue room for letting the player know when they gotta turn around
30 seconds is possible! That last 'no monster' run was insane. He can do it!