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Huge props for calling out Nintendo on their BS. And huge props to being able to explain the story so completely, even though the news just publicly broke. Respect for how deep into the Smash community you still are.
@Andrey Tran I think that the events were canceled possibly because Nintendo just didn’t want to get their name dragged through the mud in this manner and is trying to make internal changes
If only we coukd get people to call out the BS of all the Pedos in the Smash community but you guys still promote them
this video wasnt sponsored by soylent
Yo wtf THE AntVenom is a mogul mail enjoyer
I hope Alan realizes that if he actually gets what he wants and push comes to shove, a lot of people will just either abandon the tournament scene entirely or retreat to a private, no-stakes one where no broadcasting or monetization occurs. There's no real version of this where he comes out on top.
You were right!
He wants money so he dont care
@DekuFireMage until they Google the event because they enjoyed it and want more information about it and just happen to stumble upon on the stands articles. Then word spreads again
Yeah, you don’t know much about gamers inability to boycott, do you?People who play games are weak. When developers make micro transactions, pay to win, etc the community just eats shit.No one is going to boycott. At least not for any significant period of time.And even if they do, the people who just want to watch people playing Smash is still going to watch whatever garbage Panda puts out.
Alan is gonna make himself out to be the victim and will cherry pick one or two of the responses online and say “the abuse I’ve been receiving has been making me depressed. I tried so hard to make this the best tournament ever for the community blah blah blah” Because that’s what narcissists do
This aged pretty well from what i've heard from Alan since
@Average Everyday Non-Sociopath thats good
@Bootleg people are getting better at it. We're always held back by the lowest common denominator, but the common people are finally wising up to this one. That's what I've noticed, anyway - grifters get shut down a lot faster these days and have to innovate to stay ahead. The old "muh depression" isn't working either, now that everybody's depressed. People nowadays start shit and then hit out with Phase 2, the inevitable public apology/explanation, and most people now just hit back with "whatever fool", instead of the old "what a mature thing to do".
Welcome to the world, where entitled people only think about themselves and manipulate others into doing so as well...
@EpikHllo “I’ve made a severe and honest mistake”
I feel like Japanese bureaucracy also had a hand in this. The amount of red tape someone needs to go through to get ANY kind of permission or official approval is mind boggling. From even just getting a bank statement, you need to be prepared to have to talk to managers and their superiors with every single piece of documentation that could be even slightly related. And expect a big fat NO even after going through these ridiculously extensive processes.
@Destitute and Decadent To be fair... they kinda are being screwed over. Cause hardly any other company is THIS level of ignorant or willing to deny a whole fanbase without batting a single eye or later backpedaling on said decision.
crazy how this never happens with capcom
I strongly suspect this is just Nintendo playing by typical Japanese company rules. They're uptight in general when it comes to piracy, licensing, etc. They think they're doing the right thing, fans think they're being screwed over.
Nintendo is doing something every manufacturing company does, you would just hope that they could read the room and see that a passionate fan base is a positive.
@Richard Lee good read.
Okay, allow me to play Devils Advocate for a moment. Bearing in mind that I don't agree with Nintendo's decision to shutter the event, is the Smash Community specifically a positive for Nintendo?Any time I hear stories of the Smash 'community' it's almost always in a negative light, whether due to inappropriate behaviour, allegations of misconduct or just some truly toxic behaviour being par for the course. I don't think it'd be surprising if the child-friendly company Nintendo wasn't all too keen on the Smash community to begin with, especially when a significant portion of them openly hammer the most recent iteration in favour of a 20 year old game that's not going to make Nintendo any more money.With this in mind, take what we know. Nintendo was working with Alan, and it has since come to light that Alan would pass on concerns, possibly falsified, to Nintendo to get his rivals shut down. Imagine he'd levelled an accusation of grooming, the kind of stuff the community is sadly known for. Nintendo do not want to touch that with a ten foot pole; their primary market is kids and parents of kids who wouldn't like the idea of their little Jimmy being contacted by predators while playing a Nintendo game. So, air on the side of caution and shut it all down. Smash has brought terrible PR before, why not again? It even aligns with their tweet, which mentions vague 'Health and Safety' concerns. The safety of minors is something companies are VERY wary about and Nintendo is never going to be explicit about even a potential association with grooming on a public channel, so... Health and Safety it is.This is just speculation and even if it did happen this way it still sucks, but I don't see it as implausible that a man who we know lied about his competition might have falsified an accusation of misconduct and Nintendo immediately smacked down the entire thing because that kind of thing happens in the Smash Community with WORRYING regularity and they weren't willing to take chances.In short, the situation sucks and Nintendo didn't handle it well, but I do think the Smash community also likes to assume themselves worthy of the benefit of Nintendo's doubt when their whole brand really doesn't align with Nintendo at all.
End Users and Experience has always been at the bottom of Nintendo's priority list
20 years of a passionate fanbase unfortunately hasn't changed their minds. They're willfully ignorant.
Fan base full of pedos and insecure gamers
Alan really out here pulling a "i killed your boyfriend, so now you can be with me," on the Smash community. And is, similarly, going to be shocked when the community doesnt just fall into Pandas arms.
This is such a perfect analogy
I use to really like Panda. Especially when they had the whole "Panda Controller" on Kickstarter. I also love Wadi and Marrs. But it's crazy how 1 person / one action can ruin so much respect I have for them. Don't get me wrong, I don't view the players who are sponsored by Panda different, but Panda as a brand is pretty shit in my eyes now.
Yeah it's a damn shame. I remember being around for when they were founded and being hype for them even if I had no idea what the purpose of them was at the time lmao. I already see some players are jumping ship. I hope them and the rest of the employees who were totally blindsided by this can find better jobs/sponsors
It's also important to note: If you want to share your opinion on the matter definitely call Nintendo Support and leave some feedback. Do be nice though, the people that work there do not have any say in these kind of decisions and are fans as well who probably also have opinions on this situation, they just aren't able to say anything because they aren't allowed to. They do take down and pass back feedback though so definitely call if you would like to leave feedback but please be nice to the people you speak to if you do.
As someone who works for one of the most well known apparel companies, I can, with almost certainty, guarantee that the feedback doesn't get passed along. We pretty much have the customer service reps say that they'll pass it along but it goes nowhere lol.On the other hand, we do track how many contacts we get about specific topics and pass that info up so if a lot of people reach out it may interest the decision makers to look into further.
@J Pr I agree that at the end of the day bigger steps need to be taken, I'm not trying to say that customer service is a good solution but that it is a solution. Contacting the legal team will get you laughed at unless you have actual grounds to force their hand
I work in customer service for a big company and we just tell you that your feedback is appreciated but no one will see that shit. Stop contacting customer service just to complain about stupid shit. Thank you.
@Matt Nichols hey man it was you that brought up that the other guy does not know how customer service in the first place. I was just pointing that out
@MrCaw77 You literally do twice though. 1st by stating I don't understand what he's saying then twice by saying that you need customer service to redirect you to the legal team. This has literally 0 to do with a legal issue and 100% to do with a Nintendo mentality issue
Thank you Ludwig. Your continued support and speaking on our behalf for the better is an amazing thing to witness. Youre a true gem of a person.
Ludwig?? Who's that? This is Mogul Mail
Glad to see aimen doing a mogul mail, he made some good points on the smash community and nintendo as a whole.
Thanks Lud for all you've done and continue to do.
Alan is like that kid in school that pushed the laid back teacher too far and ruined it for everyone.
@Alex Bbut they’ve not touched VGBC streams and events until now…
Only Nintendo have been tight asses for a long time, done a lot of shady things, shut down servers, don't care for the fanbase etc
Perhaps if you are going to run a smash event, send a request for permission an hour before the event, it should be over before you hear back from them.
So Alan just threw the entire competitive community under the bus for his own needs?? Something needs to be done about this
Also think about the players under panda who will be tarnished for this move. They don't deserve this even if people will say they're not at fault its all Alan. Things don't go down that smoothly ever, there will be some sort of resentment for them.
his own desires*, he didn't need to do this
Why are we arguing for credit? Is the fact that we’re all agreeing not good enough to establish a point?
Lawsuits everywhere. This is damages. Easy win lawsuit. This halfwit "Alan" just committed financial seppuku.
@Christopher Hammond No dude, read it AGAIN. Could've been done 20 ways that wouldn't have been as mental.
I think its awesome that ludwig still gets hyper passionate about smash being mistreated even after all the success he's found else where.
Thanks Alan, for kill this entire game scene. 👏🏼👏🏼 and thanks Nintendo for this one aswell.
For one thing, I think that it's weak legal grounds to say that a company has control over broadcasting a game; at least one of competitive nature without showing story.Secondly, even if they had that right, that would only be for broadcasting the game, not hosting a tournament surrounding it. I'm guessing that the event didn't want to run the tournament if they couldn't broadcast it though, since it was probably relying on a lot of sponsors to show ads in the broadcast.However, I'd say they *don't* eve have the right to control broadcasting; it's fair use.
Okay, allow me to play Devils Advocate for a moment. Bearing in mind that I don't agree with Nintendo's decision to shutter the event, I do think that the Smash community are very quick to presume that Nintendo owes them the benefit of the doubt in these kinds of situations. Any time I hear stories of the Smash 'community' it's almost always in a negative light, whether due to inappropriate behaviour, allegations of misconduct or just some truly toxic behaviour being par for the course. I don't think it'd be surprising if the child-friendly company Nintendo wasn't all too keen on the Smash community to begin with, especially when a significant portion of them openly hammer the most recent iteration in favour of a 20 year old game that's not going to make Nintendo any more money.With this in mind, take what we know. Nintendo was working with Alan, and it has since come to light that Alan would pass on concerns, possibly falsified, to Nintendo to get his rivals shut down. Imagine he'd levelled an accusation of grooming, the kind of stuff the community is sadly known for. Nintendo do not want to touch that with a ten foot pole; their primary market is kids and parents of kids who wouldn't like the idea of their little Jimmy being contacted by predators while playing a Nintendo game. So, they air on the side of caution and shut it all down. Smash has brought terrible PR before, why not again? It even aligns with their tweet, which mentions vague 'Health and Safety' concerns. The safety of minors is something companies are VERY wary about and Nintendo is never going to be explicit about even a potential association with grooming on a public channel, so... Health and Safety it is.This is just speculation and even if it did happen this way it still sucks, but I don't see it as implausible that a man who we know lied about his competition might have falsified an accusation of misconduct and Nintendo immediately smacked down the entire thing because that kind of thing happens in the Smash Community with WORRYING regularity and they weren't willing to take chances.In short, the situation sucks and Nintendo didn't handle it well, but I do think the Smash community also likes to assume themselves worthy of the benefit of Nintendo's doubt when their whole brand really doesn't align with Nintendo at all.
" in favour of a 20 year old game that's not going to make Nintendo any more money." The only reason Melee doesn't make Nintendo anymore money is because Nintendo refuses to sell it. Port the game to switch it will sell, especially to TO's who would only need a switch and TV to run both Melee and Ultimate events. Add online to Melee port and now Nintendo has more online subscribers. They have sold many games over and over by porting them to newer generations.
Alan seems like the type of person who would unleash a bucket of roaches in a restaurant to get it shut down, just because they got his order wrong
Saw this exact comment on Charlie's video, which of you is the bot?
@Reaper Temptations yeah people go on about having to deal with Karen's in hospitality but they don't make me loose faith in humanity quite like having to explain the most basic shit to grown ass adults. I'll take a Karen over a Jan anyday
Alan seems like he is a roach.
@S. L. C. No shot, they really think thats what garlic bread is? 💀
@Arche Ryan The issue is Tournaments already struggle to make money off Smash. Broadcasting is WHERE the money comes from.You cant pay employees and pay for equipment and venues without that money. Its not like there are millions of dollars in the smash scene, they cant afford it without broadcasting rights.If it was a small tournament maybe they could do that, but these tournaments are just too big to be able to afford that kinda sacrifice.
This is, hands-down, the best explanation of the Smash Shutdown Situation I've seen thus far.
Honestly 3rd parties holding tournaments for a competitive game should fall under fair use. Imagine if a company still held the copyright for chess and tried to shut down tournaments they'd identify not approve of. It would be decried as an unconscionable abuse of their copyright.
I’m not a smash person. I don’t even have a casual interest in the game. I found this video in recommendations randomly. Even so this reminds me of how Hi-Rez and Blizzard and many other equally scummy companies fucked up their tournaments and players nearly ruining their scene which I did care about. This is how pro leagues die. I wish you the best of luck.
Its been a long time since I felt betrayed. Can’t believe the Smash community’s newest enemy could be someone who’s part of the Smash Community themselves.
Hasn't that been the history of the Smash community in a nutshell?
Imagine being a fan of a company that literally hates its fans
Its own playerbase drives off fans. Im not gunna get into it, but since the whole SA and cancel culture allegations came out a few years ago, i dont bring any girlfriend or girls to events anymore, including my own sister. Youre going to now have about a dozen random people going up to her and asking her if she feels ok, dude asking her how old I was while i wasnt near her. Yo if you have a girlfriend sadly you might not want to bring her to events lmfao, and they werent anything great to bring girls to in the first place. But its just rediculous and literally made her feel so uncomfortable she and my sister barely like going anymore. Its a bunch of dudes fronting with some some knight act for an excuse to like talk to her for like 10 seconds.
@UndoubtedlySo thats been completely overblown by youtube personalities like Yong Yea
@Aadi .p are people going to ignore this
@Bootleg no they're not.
@JBLilPaper I have not encountered a single bug during my entire playthrough. It might be easy to break the game but if you don't to break it, it doesn't.
Honestly…..the smash community might just ignore the panda cup now that they have done this. Which unfortunately might really hurt the community going forwards. It’s pretty sad.
Thankfully, top players are dropping out. Dabuz is out. Spargo is out. No doubt the moist boys are also out. That means no Light and kola. Highly doubt Leo is going since my man said he only really cared for SWT.On the melee side, Zain and axe are out. Many more soon to come.
It may seem like hurting it, but uprooting these bad seeds is part of the process of rebuilding too.
@Asim Hussain it was in an extremely remote part of canada
@shepardice a lot of big names have already canceled going, and the ones that are contractually obliged to go aren't gonna try and just dick around.
@Asim Hussain but does it equal with the backlash they will receive after they support the villainess??i know people love money but the stain will last forever in their name so most people won't just jump in to the pool of drama without any thinking
Its crazy how nintendo can make amazing games, the hard part of being in the gaming industry, but then absolutely fucking SUCKS at community management, the EASY part of being a gaming company. Like how tf do they do that
Mogul mail just wanted to say that your degree in english literature and journalism was probably very worthwhile, your ability to analyze information, filter out fake news and just be clear and understandable when you tell it is amazing, so much better than ludwigs sincerely, love this channel keep it up!
@dxc what I said has nothing to do with the way people "generally" are or the average person. it has nothing to do with the "majority". Holy fuck you guys are thick headed
@David_ Silva why do you and everyone else keep thinking I'm making some general statement about people in general???? all i said was "if youre not an idiot, you can make a video like this too". that says NOTHING about what I think people generally are, what I am, what you are, what the average person is. you guys are all misinterpreting what I'm saying and I think it's insane.
@Shane Allder ...no. in a country (USA) where the majority regularly fail critical thinking tests... We need all the training and standards we can get. By the way, academically, America is becoming an increasingly "stupid" place.
@Benjai calling a degree in journalism a joke? then what degree do you have?
@Shane Allder So... are you an idiot? Is everyone an idiot just because they dont have the ability to make this type of videos with this quality? I never watched a well made video with clear and understandable dialogue made by you, and even so do I know you well enough to say that you are just dumb?I dont think so, please think twice ou even thrice before you comment something so unnecessarily provocative. I only commented with the intention of praising ludwig's work and his ability yo make these videos that both you and I like. And still some people just want to say something negative... please be quite if you dony have anything with valeu to sayAnd of course he doesnt need a journalism degree to make this type of videos, but it sure helps
Glad I Deleted my Twitter account….Phew!But I’m hoping that this could get resolved soon.
it’s so sad that nintendo does this everytime the smash community finally has something good going for them
@Lucas McNamee If I may play Devil's Advocate here, the Smash Community doesn't 'just want to be left alone'. It wants to make use of Nintendo's IP in tournaments with cash prizes, that are monetized and that often display behaviour that's much more adult than Nintendo's target demographic, all while juxtaposed with some of Nintendo's most iconic characters and mascots. Call it like it is, what the Smash Community really wants is to form a niche industry that is easily mistaken for official Nintendo product, while they act in ways that are NOT conducive to Ninty's brand.Like, my nephews love Smash, and their mum wouldn't know enough to know that something called the Smash World Tour isn't associated with Nintendo. She'd simply see Mario and Kirby alongside Leffen's toxicity, CONSTANT allegations of grooming and sexual misconduct and nope her kids out of that franchise in an instant. You talked further up this comment chain about the Smash Community bringing Nintendo good PR, but as someone who casually follows said community, I have NEVER encountered them making good PR for Nintendo. Its always grooming allegations, toxicity, picking fights and slandering the company on Twitter, showing up in Nintendo Directs to shriek about Smash and boo everything else... the only time I hear of the Smash community online is because of a scandal, or because they're openly calling Nintendo trash. The 'Smash Community' seems absolutely radioactive and while I think Nintendo doesn't HELP the situations with their responses, I don't buy for a second that the Smash Community are some poor down trodden wretches who didn't do anything wrong. THEY dumpstered their own reputation and yet seem consistently outraged and confused when Nintendo, a company with a VERY typically Japanese culture, wants absolutely nothing to do with them and won't give them free rein to drag their IPs through an endless series of scandals.
Nuh Far ious not Nuh fair ious
"But this isn't Nintendo, this is Alan's fault"It isn't Alan who said all Smash tournaments that aren't directly licenced will be shut down
@oko Nothing Allen has done would matter if Nintendo didn't agree with him and shut down the unlicensed events.
Nintendo should just fuck off and make games.If passionate players want to run a tournament, run it.Fuck Nintendo And any gaming company that tries to screw it's fans over.
Take a drink every time he says “nefarious 🤪”
Absolutely insane that Alan presumably just ruined an entire community just because he didn't get what he wanted
"It's not enough that I should succeed. Others should fail as well" - Sun Tzu
@The Time Being same race
Could have sworn it was Dio
Alan putting a target on his back
This Mogul Mail guy deserves an award. I hope this gets to Ludwig and he then calls out Nintendo on Twitter publicly.
@Alyssaurus no, im just tired of the joke.
@balther10 bros stuck on a NPC dialogue 💀
@Jon Bloodworth r/whooosh
@Jon Bloodworth no, Ludwig is Ludwig
The fucks Ludwig doing against Nintendo bro
Those nefarious tactics aren't going to work in a scene that exists solely because of grass roots efforts and passion from hardcore fans. People will see you for what you are, let you crumble, and find a new way to keep it going. RIP Panda if this is true.
It's insane to try to create a monopoly on culture.. and that's what it is. It's a game that has passionate fans that want to play and watch it. So any time people get together you want to have a say? This is something Nintendo tries to do again and again. Fuck them tbh.
cant wait for the panda broadcast to have a total of 10 people watching, all being paid moderators!!!
silly mr. mail, now you just outed yourself as that ludwig guy 😂😂
I would like to know how much effort they put in trying to get smash World tour licensed. Was it only on April and then thought that nothing was going to happen as always or did they try everything and Nintendo didn't respond until now.
The last part
I am not in the smash community at all and I just want to clarify that I am many many steps removed from this situation, butttt isn't it just the broadcasting that they can shut down? like the obviously cant stop people from playing the game just people streaming it. they could still do events and just find different ways to monetize them without streaming. maybe even uploading videos a day or a week after the tournaments are over would get less backlash from Nintendo itself than having a live broadcast would. just a thought and maybe I have misunderstood entirely but it seems to me even if they are going to be harsh in the future that does not have to mean the end of the smash community.
considering nintendo has a specific rule to not let their employees and partners work with the yakuza they sure are letting panda global act like them
Ultimate players finally tasting the big N boot after laughing at Melee/PM the last ten times we got screwed by them and urged TOs and figureheads not to get involved. Nintendo really has a way of unifying Melee and Ultimate players, just in the worst way possible.
Thank you so much for bringing this to the spotlight. Beyond disappointed in Nintendo
@Storm Cat You posted this comment within 2 minutes of the video was up. Assuming you have Ludwig on notifs, you clicked on his video, and either guessed as to the topic of the video and commented. Or you watched the first 3 minutes in which he gets into the topic of the video. You guessed that because Nintendo regularly has an issue with smash bros creators, you assumed this video also pertained to Nintendo shutting down a smash bros tournament
its not nintendos fault they trusted alan to be honest and truthful about the licensing but alan is trying to be some smash overlord its alan thats just beyond scummy he looks terribly bad right now so i hope he has something to say otherwise in my opinion there are no smash touraments anymore cause #Fuckpandacup
What a suprise.
@outdatedboat yeah and they tried to be involved despite that and now it blows up in their face what company would still try to continue this venture when they have other games that are just equally successful.
@outdatedboat do the tour and dont broadcast the gameplay, just the people playing. when chatters and social media wonders why, blame nintendo. tell them the evil people at nintendo are making it this way. beat them at their own game. make their reputation be a reputation of corporate evil
I’m praying this doesn’t turn into another FreeMelee. It was so bad for me that I almost quit twitter entirely
You should do that man
I’m all aboard the fuck alan train (literally every other panda member is innocent here) but at the same time this is 95% Nintendo’s doing. I simply don’t see how one, primarily irrelevant man can convince Nintendo to flip from “we’re not cancelling events for not having licensing” to cancelling the biggest event of the year and any other event already announced by VGBC for not being licensed. Alan simply does not have that influence, regardless of the fact that Panda is partnered with Nintendo. The fact that Panda Cup didn’t get immediately cancelled after SWT for threatening other orgs tells me that Nintendo was lying to VGBC about either SWT having any chance of going through or about talking to Alan about his behavior. I think we need to wait and hear his statement on the matter before jumping to conclusions, unless we want another nairo situation on our hands
@Kyallon Coming back to ask what you think of the statements made by Nintendo and Panda. To me, both feels like a complete deflection and says almost nothing for them.
What? Comparing this to the nairo situation is laughable. Nairo was proven to be flirting with an underage child, photographed with an underage boy on his lap, documented in the statements of countless pros who witnessed their relationship. Just because Nairo came out and said he was raped and literally provided zero evidence does not mean the situation was not his fault. This situation is in no comparison to the nairo situation
@Joevent i mean the 5% is an exaggeration but still he couldn’t have had that much of an impact on the decision. Alans actions towards BTS in particular are awful but I can’t bring myself to take them seriously whenever alan tried to threaten a company way bigger than his own with a total shutdown when they hadn’t done anything worth getting C&D’s either. Nintendo partnering with him just doesn’t give him the authority to threaten anyone with a shutdown, and like i said before, if anything the fact that Nintendo let it slide is a better way bigger issue
While I do agree with you that we should wait for his statement, current evidence is not looking too good for him. Nintendo sucks, we've always known that. That's why we support local scenes, VGBC, etc and that's why we don't bring ourselves down. Our common enemy was Nintendo so for Alan to reportedly (By numerous trustworthy people in the scene) threaten a shutdown of an event if they don't join the Panda cup, to demand broadcasting rights from Beyond The Summit, and to wield this partnership over our heads instead of with us, it FUCKING sucks. It's pretty clear that Alan made the information regarding VGBC being unlicensed more on the radar to Nintendo. So to say it's only 5% his doing isn't exactly fair imo.
That whole thing of going to event and telling them their competition is getting cancelled like that while in negotiations could be regarded as something like Tortious interference, which the Smash World Tour could serisouly launch a lawsuit for to recover damages. I kinda hope they do just to set a precedent that this sort of behavior for Touring groups like this shouldn't be premitted.
@DekuFireMage The way I read it, part of this was going on BEFORE Panda made that announcement, so there's still interference partway at leastI'd also be a bit suspect on if they claimed the tournament was "illegal" since you don't need to be sponsored to do that. Illegitimacy, I'm not sure about that since Nintendo never interacted with the tournament scene, you can't make an argument very well one way or another very well. Unless you go off of what the community thinks?I think the big kicker is their attempts to block SWT out of the market. I can recall how someone from Marvel did this same exact thing, and that now ex-Marvel employee got smacked HARD. That might be how to dispute this.
@DekuFireMage but panda was interfering in their abilities to get that official license. As Ludwig said since January they’ve attempted and based on the response provided should have had no issues yet because of willful interference the didn’t
It'd be a hard fight, given that Panda could make a case that Smash World Tour was an illegal/illegitimate operation and had no competition rights.
I have never been one to jump on the boycott nintendo train but if this ends up happening where no one will be able to run events that aren’t licensed by Nintendo I will not buy Nintendo games
everyone needs to pull out of the panda event if they have any respect for the game.clowns.
I forgive you now, Chud. 😎
Don't even game at all but I heard abt this news. Thanks for explaining!
putting that journalism degree to use.
My heart weeps for everyone who will be adversely affected by this. This is historically tragic in our beloved community.
Jobs are easily found. A community built over decades of good times... that's priceless.
@Mark *it is* many peoples livelihoods and the people hosting SWT are losing thousands of dollars because of this as well.
@big yoppa it can be someone's livelihood.
It’s video games, they gon be alright
Im confused on the rules behind “being sanctioned by Nintendo” you bought the game and its yours. At that point its your property so why cant you run a tournament.
Copyright laws don’t really work like that. Even in western counties, they don’t really reflect our modern mindset. Legally, stuff like let’s plays and most likely streamed content aren’t protected by fair use.
The finale is happening but they could not reach an agreement for 2023...
This is literally how huge companies create monopolies. Look at airlines, cell providers, Amazon, Clip-Share, Facebook, etc. When some new competitor appears that threatens their success, the big company destroys the smaller one.
The fact that it was more than nintendo this time, and it was Panda. This was like a twist villain! Its not surprising since the panda Cup was announced but we trusted them because it was panda. the CEO of panda, an org that was honestly rather beloved, working on massive projects, sponsoring great personalities, making content; Panda who was founded as a Smash Bros Org, then went and did some nefarious deeds is really disappointingReally is like a villain with twisted motives
@Mathieu L Of course it would still exist, but actively encouraging it through most aspects of the system surely makes it far worse.
@Cheezmonka You think greed or corporatism wouldn't exist in a non-capitalistic country? Be real
nefarious ah deeds 🤦
@Flamerunner451 well that’s the thing, a lot of panda members have expressed how shocked they are from this. Plus, contracts are a thing. The players, TOs, commentators/casters, management etc probably can’t openly speak out against the org yet. Otherwise they get themselves in even deeper water, which obviously isn’t good. They’re already up shit’s creek from being backstabbed by their boss. They don’t wanna do themselves in any deeper. Hell, not even the FGC Pandas are outright blasting Panda org atm this time, for that reason alone. They all still have their lives to think about, especially in a pressuring and precarious scenario like now.
@Randy Richardson What large company? Panda? They're an esports org, they're nothing near a large company. Honestly maybe several of the management team might have known about it, but you can't really deny the possibility that Alan could've acted alone without anyone else on the team knowing behind the scenes. Several people said Alan had been the one trying to manipulate and interfere and it wouldn't surprise me if no one else on the Panda team was aware of his actions. Who knows maybe someone else in Panda did know what was happening, we can't quite say one way or the other. I think you're naive to wave such a possibility away so quickly, but I have my opinion and you have yours. We have yet to hear from anyone from Panda that I'm at least aware of currently so we have no clear indication one way or the other. I personally don't want to try and assume a whole lot with the situation as is, so I'm not ruling these kinds of possibilities until we learn more. I would love to hear more of your thoughts though if you'd care to oblige me as to what more you meant if I at all misunderstood anything.
Really well made Ludwig. It's a nice summary backed by articles.If you added the perspective of The CEO, Alan, it would be even better.
@FluffySheep It happens to the best of us
@SUSPICIOUSLY STRANGE STUDIO Ah yeah slipped my mind, they just have this minor resemblance of one another
You mean Mogul Mail right?
ive never once liked how Panda Global would be the official ranker of players. I seen this shit go bad once for a community (the mw2 quickscoping community was ruined by SLB's owner) so i'm not surprised this is happening to Smash community with PG
Not a comp Smash player (the issue of the worst kind of creeps happening keeps me away from watching anything aside from news and clips of comp gameplay), but this is... screwed up. This sounds like it's going to kill off the entire community outside of the 30-person local scenes, and may be used to legally enforce copyright striking videos with Smash clips from tournaments that aren't licensed.
Would be a shame… if people started boycotting the panda cup
Today I learned Smash events weren’t already Nintendo events
I don’t understand why anybody has to listen to Nintendo, they’ve never been involved just keep doing the tournaments and crown a winner. How do they stop it?
Has their ever been a esports org as hated as they are rn 💀
The worst part is this all this happened in favor of a world circuit called the "Panda Cup"
@Okay person makes it even worse. They got the world circuit shut down for a smaller one
Not even world it’s just NA qualifier tournaments
@Vibe It's a shitty name
Damn, where's a guy supposed to get the freshest CP now?
This is the reason why I moved over to Multiversus. Don't get me wrong however. I do love Smash but with all the drama happening for the past few years and Nintendo handling things for the wrong reasons, that's why I like Multiversus because they listen to the people, they're involved with the community and doesn't have much drama surrounding it
Yeah this is absolutely the best time to buy and invest
as someone who grinded Magic the Gathering events for a decade, we have 3 circuits (1 of which really is just WOTC official circuit) and there are direct and easily seen advantages and disadvantages to each one. LITERALLY ALL OF THEM not only co-exist, but some let topping results from one circuit count towards exclusive top cut events in others. this is good, and it has lead (up until wizards killed it recently in the past 2 years) magic the gathering to become the biggest and most popular TCG in the world. there have been similar controversies in that scene and looking at actual history of competitive grass roots events, this only leads to either part of the community being alienated and cut off, leaving the game forever, or someone better than you rising up. in this case, I doubt Nintendo is gonna let the latter happen.
As a smash tournament organizer who has ran 100 tournaments. thank you for using your platform to speak on this and bring attention to it.
@Дмитрий Балабин haha, I am. But it’ll be about a month until then
Are you going to run 101 tournament?
This situation is so fucked up. I feel for the TOs who are now having to deal with the fallout of this, with people likely losing money. I feel for the players who travelled throughout the year to attempt to qualify for SWT and whose effort was wasted - never mind that they likely already had plans to prepare and travel for next weekend. I feel for the Melee community, who has not only been burnt by Nintendo and been betrayed by an org who claimed to have their interests at heart - but have also been robbed of the race for the number one, which was one of the most hyped up series of events of Melee's history.
I’m really enjoying how Lud cares about gaming community. I would also enjoy if he could show us ending of the story with such cases, I.e. Bethesda drama, this one etc. maybe I just hope that there is always happy ending and I’m looking forward to see it
@Travis Morales it's a bot, they frequently copy and post other what other commentors have posted
@Travis Morales it's almost certainly a bot my dude
@Bob Roberts you really just gonna ignore a good comment because you saw booba and immediately clicked on the profile
@Bob Roberts Report and move on. There's literally dozens of these bots in YT comment sections now, especially on bigger channels and there's nothing really anyone can do except report it cuz YT definitely isn't doing anything about it rn.
Oi @mogul Mail, you might want to delete this ladies comment as, uh, kind of nefarious when you actually look into her profile and “video”
Well. Panda do all the "Nightmarish" procedure. He prolly also paid the price for it unlike VGAnd nitendo own their IP not the comunityAnd he want his competitor goneIts just fair gameWhy cant VG do that "nightmarish" procedure too?
Good. The tournament scene is way to toxic filled with gambling money matches. The actual scene is super lame, and filled with pompous people. Amen. Keep it on the couch.
As a Smash fan, the first 7 seconds is both brutally honest, and depressingly sad.There's also the rare occasion of something like Summit 11 Grand Finals being so nuts, people couldn't ignore it.
The Good, the bad, and the ugly(smash tour attempt, Nintendo, and Panda PR)
Melee endured for decades and it will endure for many more!
Calm down, everyone. Alan is replacing all the events with a "Smash my wife" event to make up for it.
Maybe if the smash community didn't try to smash kids.
The yard will go crazy this week
One thing for sure, these draconian copyright(and patent) laws have to change. People are getting closer and closer to a breaking point from this to insulin price gouging.
@damandatwin yeah I agree with you, and yes, that was exactly what my scenario was depicting. Essentially broadcasting or setting up unofficial tourneys without licensing from the publisher(s).
@Carlos Polk Does 'improper' in the way you're using it mean anything other than 'without licensing from the publisher'? I understand the way copyright law is set up they can do it. What I'm saying is that this application of copyright law is without merit and shouldn't exist for the reasons I mentioned.
@damandatwin like someone in Twitter and another YT’ers comments mentioned, it’s because they can, legally. They hold all the power to their IPs. So they’re well within their rights to say, “hey, stop broadcasting our game”. And from what I heard from others in YT and Twitter, Capcom let this get out of control in a big problem. Essentially them letting orgs broadcast/make tourneys of their games, without the proper licensing. And because of that, the FGC community in general has gotten away with so much in doing things the improper way. And that improper behavior spread like the plague. Again, this is just what I’ve heard, so idk how much truth there is to it, since I don’t know the specifics with capcom’s licensing requirements.
Exactly, the SWT is its own thing. Yes the players are playing smash bros but why does Nintendo have the right to shut people down just because they're playing the game? It's not like watching a tournament stream is a replacement for playing the game, it's a totally different experience. And in terms of creativity/originality there is so much added by tournaments that are not part of the game itself and which IMO Nintendo has no business interfering with.
When the bank runs start, you’ll know it’s all going down.
There’s two sides to every story and I think we’re missing something here. My guess is that Nintendo as an organization is incredibly disorganized, and the person who made the decision to shut down swt was a higher-up. Perhaps there were some exclusive licensing issues, or Allen finessed Nintendo for exclusivity and Nintendo has a legal obligation to follow through on that contract. Japanese companies are known for being very opaque about behind the scenes situations, so my guess is that there is much more at play here than meets the eye.
crazy that in one fell swoop Alan has probably destroyed his org with this strong arming
I'm certainly done with Panda. If he keeps up this behavior then I hope his bottom line gets hit, hard. I just feel bad for the employees that will be affected by his potential downfall.
seeing as how Netflix and other streaming services are able to prohibit projectors from streaming their shows/movies, I can see how Nintendo might want to start regulating their tournaments if they are legally allowed to. I do not know how much revenue smash tournaments make, but if it's not a lot then I don't see nintendo benefitting from this move. They may be trying to control all tournaments for all nintendo games and they are testing it on smash. Either way, I do not think things will go back to the way they were. I don't like cancel culture because if it turns out Lud was wrongly informed then lud will get barely any backlash because he has said multiple times he is not the original source of the information, and this can be misconstrued as him being innocent of all subsequent effects of simply passing on that information. I know you needed to get this video out soon but maybe just report the whole situation after it's finished. I'll watch the video whenever it comes out brotha
How the hell would your program detect a projector?
Are you fucking serious nintendo ain’t gonna do shit they hate competitive gaming. They think a tournament with cash prizes is the same thing as gambling in a casino.
It's one thing if shutting down events made sense for Nintendos bottom line, but the smash scene has done nothing but make them money. Any kind of support from them would net them so much more and improve their good will with the community. Its just an asinine business decision to cut off the people that love your product the most.
@Mbabane Amputee "Dear diary, today I made an imaginary argument just to get cynical about it on the internet"
@Mbabane Amputee All depends on the audience. Blizzard has a reputation among different communities that expect a level of transparency. This allows them to fix issues. Nintendo on the other hand markets to children, a demographic where parents will vehemently defend to the point of not listening to nuance. Any bad publicity that could harm children can't be tolerated.
@Rute Fernandes unlike Blizzard who just did all the “rape/harassment stuff” themselves, poor little innocent nintendo would never do such vile evil things, goodness me *clutches pearls*
"but the smash scene has done nothing but make them money" Yeah, no. Smash has been giving bad rep to Nintendo for a few years now, specially with that rape/harassment stuff. Bad rep on that scale is something a corporation cannot afford.
They’re usually a liability though. When most people think about smash, they think of the most depraved gamers.
We fought back against this 9 years ago at EVO 2013, we can do it again.
@Moo EVO 2013, the largest fighting game tournament of the year, had a charity event. You could donate and put that money to your game of choice. Melee beat out Skullgirls by about $10,000. After it was announced that Melee won, Nintendo stepped in and prevented the game from being broadcast, possible even played, but I'm not sure on that one. The Internet came together and rebelled, and after just 4 hours, Nintendo rescinded their decision, which led to, imo, one of the best Melee tournaments I've ever seen, with an amazing top 8.
What all happened back then?
this shows how nintendo hasn't evolved a lick.
So Alan is single handedly trying to destroy the smash community to line his own pockets.Such a shame, I respected Panda as a org, everything was looking good this year. I certainly hope this can somehow be resolved.
smart fella though, hes probably rolling in millions. can't knock him for the hustle but, he's a sellout for sure
Wait mogul mail and Ludwig are the same person this is insane
Just throwing this out there since you mentioned it. If you were to organize a streamed charity event where all proceeds go to the charities represented by players, Nintendo would have to either enforce their terrible decision and blow this up even more or just let this all go. Either Nintendo gets more pushback or there’s a positive outcome all around.
Damn if they do, damn if they don't. Can't say they didn't deserve it.
“It’s not winning unless everyone else loses.”-Alan CEO of Panda
You can't imagine how happy i was that the Smash World tour circuit was finally a thing. Competitive smash was supposed to be the biggest its ever been, and this Alan guy comes out of nowhere and ruins it all a few weeks before the world finals... He better compensate Gimr and VGBC for all of their losses.
I'm oddly OK with this
I love this channel. Thanks Ludwig and congratulations on your Clip-Share success. You're getting rly good at these kinds of commentaries.
If I remember correctly, Panda was in another controversy at one point in the Destiny 2 community during year 2 of the game (2018-2019). If my memory serves me right, it had something to do with boosting people in the Competitive PVP Playlist and DDOSing. A Playlist where if you reached the highest rank, you would be awarded with unquestionably the best gun in the game (mainly on console). Needless to say this was incredibly hard. Only the best players in the game were (supposed to be) able to do this. Naturally, some people were paying so called 'carries' a lot of money to carry them to the highest rank to get this gun (and the clout). Panda also dove into this business. They had partnered streamers advertise the boosting service on their Twitch/YT. However, they were DDOSing people to get their carries to the highest rank to maximise profit. It would've otherwise taken them forever to just get one guy to the highest rank if doable at all.Personally, I grinded to the highest rank 3 times during that year to get the coveted title that would be rewarded called Unbroken. Not only was this incredibly time consuming (don't recommend), but DDOSing near the top was incredibly common. It would happen once every like 3-4 games near the end of a season. Also legitimately carrying was incredibly hard. Essentially playing 3 vs 4 at the high ranks meant you would get stomped by the stacked teams at the top. I never ran into people that would win a 3 vs 4 against my team during my time ranking.
I'm so glad that you covered this, bringing a lot more eys onto the problem than it might get otherwise. I hope this gets resolved in an ideal way because I love the smash community and watching all the tournaments, they are one of my favorite things to watch on the weekends and I really hope they continue to be that way, free from monopolistic clutches.
Are we sure this has nothing to do with a top player having sex with a child at a previous smash world tour event???Just wondering haha.
Genuinely makes me sad. The amount of effort people in the community put out, not for the money, but for the love of the game and the community. Just the be led on a string and tossed to the wayside again and again. Heartbreaking and infuriating.
I have Been waiting so long for this :clip-share.net/video/mCfYi7634rU/video.html
@Arche Ryan Eh. The Pedo Bros deserve this.
do the tour and dont broadcast the gameplay, just the people playing. when chatters and social media wonders why, blame nintendo. tell them the evil people at nintendo are making it this way. beat them at their own game. make their reputation be a reputation of corporate evil
Wow! When i ran the one of the largest gaming sites in the world, i never had to deal with broadcasting rights. We still had 56l and dsl modems and t1 while cable modems were rolling out. This is insane. I would just host major tournaments with dev or publisher. The landscape changed so much. I am not sure i could navigate this as much as I would like to return. Cheating is why I lost my passion. It got ridiculous and at the time the marketing teams said that cheating makes players happy and happy players buy more games type stuff.This sucks, and ambiguity around the rules and lack of a clear process is probably intentional to insulate them, so they can pick and choose then pull the plug when they want. They were done dirty. I hope they can salvage their event in some manner.
You shouldn't impersonate Companies with you Twitter checks and push a lie. They didn't cancel all Smash events
Huge props for calling out these guys, something needs to be done here.