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How A 1923 Ford Model T Stacks Up Against A 2023 Tesla Model Y
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The biggest factor for the Model T in 1923 was the cost. Brand new a T could be bought for $280, roughly $4,500 for today. Making it cheaper than the 1920s tractor options. It mobilized all but the poorest communities in the states and lead to our complete and total production dominance that led the population and wealth explosions of the 30s-40s-50s.
I would buy a $4500 car today
Cost, speed and volume of production at the same time. It wasn't a car revolution. It was a Model T revolution.
And now the average car sold is 10x that price🤣
Yugo used to cost 3990 in 1990, and its 4 door version (Zastava 101) sold in 2007 for 4300€.
Today it is almost impossible to find cheap new car, all try to go upmarket.
The model T was a complete breakthrough. Ford got the gearboxes delivered in specifically designed wooden boxes which, when disassembled, became the cars floor boards. Brilliant!
it's called recycling
@Marte Houdesheldt No, it’s called planning and good use of precious resources. Instead of the “turn raw materials into garbage as quickly as possible” regime of today.
Capitalists claim that competition leads to efficient use of resources, sorry to say I can’t see that. The waste of modern society is unbelievable.
@Joachim Pihl Yeah scarcity leads to the efficient use of resources. If something is cheap and plentiful there is little reason to be conservative with its use.
Funny, Tesla did similar things and you probably mocked them for it (I'm thinking of shims that protected parts from tight straps).
@The Monster Under Your Bed Not mocking at all, it is one of the keys to real scale. Say more about the shims...
The Model T finished the 1/4 mile one hundred years ago, giving it a time credit that only a DeLorean could catch. I still love your work
Make sense....
By this measuring a Pontiac Aztek would be faster than an sf90 😂
LOL!!
By this logic, a horse... no, walking is the best vehicle!
@3nd3rman04 The Blue-Fire Enderman so basically a human
I love that while Matt has a fondness for a lot of Tesla's advancements and technology, he's not afraid to take the piss out of them when appropriate.
I'm the same. Worked for Tesla for over 14 years and was Tesla through and through......now I've left I am such a critic of them 😂
@Stu B How come, and when did you join?
@JPC Designs Incase you're not kidding, how so?
Tesla not only single handily kicked off the BEV revolution, which now accounts for 10% of global sales, yes global (excluding PHEV and HEV). They also added software and hardware to an industry with none of it. While they were at it, they created the most efficient car, safest car, car with best software and hardware capabilities, cars with the best performance for the bucks, and all while making them better for the environment. But most of all, what they did, which far too few know about, is that they revolutionised manufacturing. If you don't know what I'm talking about, just look it up, as it don't have time to explain ti all to you. But some of their biggest innovations stem from the "best part is no part" philosophy elon has. Plus, the giga press.
@JPC Designs haha, everything performs well until it's going more than 30-35 miles per hour in the testing facility. I saw a Tesla that went 60 mph and it was cut in half in the crash. The entire body was ripped apart.
@Sebastian Orye lol it's far from efficient or safe. Tesla is neat but it has tons and tons of issues.
the differential mechanism is a stroke of engineering genius. the fact that it basically hasn't changed at all is so insane
Same for the basics for the electric motor actually
@S_K electric machinery evolves all the time
@ody vinty* Makes it all the more impressive that the AC electric motor still uses same basics
The wheel is an engineering genius. There was no need to reinvent it so it stayed the same.
@Sep G uh, the ford had the rim built in with the tire, with another wooden wheel staying on the car, I get your point, but it did change, also, not a big one but we did go brushless at some point.
I am a retired R&D engineer not doing well. Your videos bring joy to my life.
What kind of engineering did you do?
@S_K the kind he cant talk about
Hope you do better soon Drew
Oh I just started!
@Nahome Tesfay Welcome to the shark pool.
The Model T transmission is essentially a manually operated automatic transmission.
Thinking the same thing!
I believe they used to call such a system a 'turbo clutch' in that it was a manual clutch which used an automatic gear system and valve body. Nowdays people would call you insane but I'm pretty sure it was from a time when automatics were less well understood/supported and may also have been loopholed into racing classes.
@boingkster Where I work in truck mechanic circles a turbo clutch is known as the exact opposite, a conventional manual transmission that exchanges the classic friction clutch for a torque converter coupling. Usually used for extreme heavy duty applications where there would be excessive wear on a clutch.
More like a glorified tractor
A Honda automatic transmission is essentially an automatic shifted manual transmission. 😂
I like that Ford was so in tune with safety issues that when they designed the Model A they consolidated the fire with the firewall by making the front cowl the fuel tank.
They actually went to integrated cowl tanks in the last two years of the model T (1926 and 1927).
I believe that the Model A was also the first car to use bonded Safety glass, so there is that.
I think (but do not know) that when the fuel level on the Model T got low, and one encountered a long, steep up-hill, one was forced to drive it in reverse, as the gravity-fed fuel system would not flow fuel to the carb from the under-seat tank.
That's the problem that the cowl-mounted tank solved, by raising the tank higher.
That Model T window mechanism is amazing!
It's always a good day when SuperfastMatt drops a video 🙂
I really enjoyed this video. Sold my Toyota years ago in lieu of a 1923 model T Ford runabout as a daily driver, putting around 100 miles a week on it. Two points: your friends model T is not maintained well if it can only muster 35 mph and the poor acceleration is also a function of it not adjusted correctly. From the factory they could top out at 45 mph though few ever had the opportunity to prove that on unpaved roads. I regularly drive mine in the 40-45 mph range and have had it up to 55, though must to see where the top end would be. Also you didn’t bring up parts a availability or potential for consumer to maintain or fix the two cars. Parts for the model T are plentiful, both in new, new old stock and good used parts. The owners manual for a model T is designed for the owner to do their own adjustments and many T owners did their own major repairs.
As a daily? jesus some people are just built different.
lmao forget about trying to repair a Tesla any more than you can repair Apple products
55 MPH? In a T?
I've driven two Model As and they were really happiest at 45 and below. They'd do 55, but really weren't happy at those speeds.
At least the Model A had 4-wheel (mechanically-actuated) brakes.
Awesome video.
I have a Model T - no restoration, but one I built completely from junkyard piles across my state in Australia - and every one of your sentiments ring so very true. Love it.
you built one from literal junk. that's hella recycling
*DEEPLY APPRECIATED* the "self driving is only a year away" joke
By next year, guaranteed! lmao
"Lidar is useless" -Elongated Musket
yes, we fell for it too...
Should probably be good enough by the end of the decade. V11 is coming this year and should be a major improvement.
@User 2C47 Yeah right, and Cybertruck will release early 2021, guaranteed!
the more things change the more they stay the same. The dive into simplicity was amazing. Did not realize that the engine operates more like a power glide where your feet are the valve body.
Transmission, not engine.
@Michael Benardo dang, look at that typo. thanks! i brain farted.
That was even more entertaining and educational than I'd expected. I wound up here largely for the projects, but that was super rad; well done! (And holy crap that Model T window mechanism... I haven't experienced that feeling about gears since visiting the watch collection at the Science Museum in London...)
He He.. even today i would still choose that model-T over the Tesla because it is better overall.. it can go even thru fields where the Tesla would obviously get easy stuck and not even mention the fact that when are sold for the model-T price at any auction one could get at least 2 Tesla.. Ohh and BTW i'm European..
@Pop Laurentiu its even better when the vehicle isn't completely jacked up like this sad excuse for a model T they used...
Brilliant comparison, Matt!! I often wondered what would have happened if GM continued to develop the EV1 long enough to incorporate the LiON battery??
GM's trouble has little to do with electric cars. They are in the same state as they were in when Japan ate their lunch. Too fat at the top. R&D is too fossilized as in not light on their feet. GM's problems are not because of EVs. They are too deep in for EVs to save them.
Safety comparison is my favorite part.
I’ve watched this video 3 times in a row.
I also own 3 Model T’s and they are so much fun to drive
Thank you for this video
Jarod’s series on this build is awesome, watched every episode as they came out 🤠🇺🇸👍
This is the first video I watched from you somewhere around a week ago. And sadly I must say that I have worked my way through the majority of your videos already…and all because you are fu*#ing hilarious. Seriously, you’re humor on here is refreshing; please continue with the never ending sarcasm and dead pan humor. And never forget that your best friend is Mr. Schadenfreude(yes I had to look up how to spell that more than once).
The price point of both vehicles would have been interesting, I believe the model T was the only vehicle that got cheaper as it went along.
quick google search says the Model T started at a price of 21,940 Dollars Today money and got lowerd to 9,550 of today money
As the volume increased the cost of building the T fell, and Henry Ford lowered the price over and over again. Other manufacturers tried to stop him legally and claimed his tactics were communist or socialist or whatever. Really freaked them out. One year Ford promised if they sold a certain number of cars every buyer would get some money back! Indeed it happened. Also Ford was having trouble finding enough workers, and trouble holding onto the workers they had. The average factory pay around a Detroit was already high, about $2.50 a day. Ford announced he would pay $5.00 a day and people working at the other car companies simply walked off their jobs and formed a huge crowd outside the Ford plant. Oh boy the other car companies didn’t like that either. On the other hand, Ford had a private “security department” headed by an honest-to-god mobster whose job was to stop workers from demanding decent conditions (like bathroom breaks. Sound familiar?). His henchmen beat people with baseball bats to maintain control. It culminated in “The Battle of the Overpass” where Ford’s goons actually shot and killed workers and claimed it was in self-defense. So it wasn’t all lollipops and rainbows.
@Tup it started at more than average houshold income or around like that.
The price of the Y will come down and they are already planning a higher volume lower priced vehicle. This year the Y already had price cuts worldwide
@Supreme Lobster Don't see it happening.
I had a 36 model A and I always thought the 24” wheels were neat compared to the 14 and 15” wheels of the time… nowadays, 24” wheels aren’t far from standard anymore.
Also, liked the push button starting of the early Ford… something that started reappearing in modern cars.
Yes, larger tire walls back then except for the ford exception. That Novel-T was all sorts of cracked up. Every vehicle at the time had something going for them, the model T was just overproduced. That was its charm...or the black paint during 1913-1924.
Still procrastinating finishing the Jag eh? 😉
Great video Matt. Fair and balanced as always. Loved that you took one away from Ford 😂
That was actually pretty interesting. Never would’ve thought of the two in the same comparison.
Wow thanks Matt! I didnt realize that these were different cars and manufacturers until this video!
I appreciate the FSD shot at the end - and the honest assessment of Tesla quality and concept issues
Yep, choosing quantity over quality is a risky step, but Tesla wouldn't likely be here if it weren't for that. Oh yeah, that's another thing in common. In the US, there have only been 2 automakers that haven't gone bankrupt, that's Ford and Tesla. Though, it will be interesting how Ford comes out of this EV transition. Right now, my best guess would be that they will be much smaller, but at least alive, something that cant be said for GM.
I would definitely be interested in another video in 100 years comparing the 2 again 😁
There's gotta be 3rd one added, the one running on 4 hoverboards. I can't wait to see that video!
@Douger Rohmer Why would you want to use those wheelie boards for your cars wheels? Or did you mean a vehicle that can actually defy gravity? Because I'm all about the Fi in SciFi but sadly it is Fi.
You can build VTOL's but those will never be common in city's for safety reasons, one day we might crack anti-gravity but honestly that's harder then FTL, Teleportation, and Quantum Entanglement, we've proved the Warp Field Theory mathematically, we demonstrated a warp field in a accidental lab experiment (See DARPA Warp Field, the research was unrelated to warp/ftl), humanity has teleported photons using quantum entanglement as well.
Closed thing to anti-gravity we can come up with is falling out of the sky in an airplane or using magnets. Gravity is legitimately one of the most prevalent forces we still are yet to truly understand. That's why Einsteins theory of everything was complete, he wanted a grand unified theory but couldn't make it work so he has a macro and a micro, gravity is the reason for that. Our best and brightest have yet to truly define the forces of gravity mathematically.
We'll be in another solar system before we crack that one in my opinion.
I bet the Model T would still be running 🤣
the REAL question is there are a pile of model T's running around 100 yrs later ...how many 23 tesla y's will survive and be drivable in 100 yrs
Great stuff - humorous yet professional. Thank you Matt!
I own a Tesla Model 3 and a 1926 Studebaker Country Club Coupe. The Studebaker has a straight 6. I wanted to make a video comparing the 2, but Matt does such a great job
😂
I recently found your channel with the Viper Build video and am glad I did.
I found myself laughing out loud multiple times during this video. My engineering brain is thoroughly entertained!
Love you're videos Matt.
Your content is some of my favorite on Clip-Share, your style is something entirely of its own.
Oh man, thank you for this comparison! I was a little hesitant on which car to decide, but I think I’m ultimately going to go with the Model Y.
Thank you!
"if someone pulls out in front of you, you are going to die" got me so good
Even top speed of 35 won't help when you are jettisoned through the plate glass.
Seat belts children!🦌
@Mike Albrecht They had laminated safety glass - it fogs yellow. Mandatory by 1910 or so.
😂
Matt, your engineering mindset and dry humor are a delight and precious commodity
Thanks Matt, this is your best fun and interesting in one package video yet.
I had a very rough day, working on redecking my utility trailer and then working on my tractor, all required a lot of bending and my fused back doesn't do that anymore. So once I was done and washed up, I sat down to my computer and watched this extremely fun and funny video and actually laughed my pain away!!! So thank you very much for that, Matt!! I alllllways look forward to your videos. You never fail to amuse me.... Signed: Stoved up in Floriduh.....
My grandfather has a 1926 t and it's a blast to drive I really enjoy these comparison videos of old and new cars thanks for this!
Matt been watching your videos for a while. Is great content so keep them coming. I have to say I love your humor it always makes me laugh literally out loud.
This is such an amazing video! It was also a lot of fun to race my Model T against the Model Y. Good stuff!
I bet if there were to be a third racer, it would be a mobility scooter.
It might win.
@based max there’s a very good chance that a mobility scooter would beat the Model T.
on the safety bit, don't forget that if you do crash, the steering wheel is a giant rod that thrusts into you instead of dropping away. it's literally a spear facing towards your chest you use to turn the car.
I have seen other videos explaining the controls of the Model T, and I love how you made it sound as complicated as possible, to point out how absurd it seems compared to modern cars.
I would be curious to see how many sketchy build quality model Ts were delivered, the expectations were so much lower considering it was literally the first mass produced car.
Good point. I've never seen any information on that. Consumer satisfaction had not been invented, yet? Ha, ha. If you bought it, it was good enough and you were happy.
Very entertaining! I had hoped you and Jared would get together for another video. Thanks for sharing.
Fascinating engineering insight into the Model T. So many advances in 100 years but amazing how some old ideas are better for the driver.
No, you are taking the wrong lesson away from this. There's nothing about the T that's better for the driver.
@DrewLSsixI disagree. The touch screen control in the Tesla is a classic example of a developer confusing flashy and convenient to design with actually being superior for the user. For some things, yea it’s useful. For others, like the ability to control the climate controls or radio without taking my eyes off the road, an old school physical control is better. I agree with Matt giving Ford the point here.
The modell T dose 95% of the most importend things a car has to do!The Tesla isnt that big of a improvment!
Yes, no touch screen.
@DrewLSsixsome vehicles make us no more than steering wheel attendants, and even that point is under threat. I am an engineer who really enjoys interacting with the vehicle I am driving, and interaction and awareness of the mechanical systems moving me down the road is a big part of my enjoyment from driving. So much so that I am building a 540hp na 7L V12 McLaren F1 replica that uses 2 Honda V6's (build log is on Pistonheads). I understand things have moved on as far as safety but engagement with the driving experience is something the T has in abundance.
Hilarious and informative as always - all hail the algorithm!
This is just about the smartest thing I've seen in a very long while.
Thank you for sharing this. Great info, fantastic presentation, and outstanding production quality. Very well done.
Thanks for watching and commenting congratulations I've a prize for you text now to claim 🎁
Wow, that was an interesting and entertaining installment. Thank you!
Fantastic video! Really appreciate the effort you put in.
A fascinating comparison of these two vehicles. It is interesting to see how manual the operation of the Model T was. I've often compared Elon Musk to Henry Ford mainly for their innovative contributions and how many of Ford's original ideas have become relevant again. (Think Vertical Integration)
One thing, though...
You took a dig at Tesla's quality. That's something that is trending in the right direction all the time, while Ford has some of the largest and most expensive recalls in history .
Overall, I learned a lot about the Model T, and this was a fun comparison to watch
Am i imagining it or is the frequency of the videos increasing
Three videos in less than 2 weeks, glorious times indeed.
Excellent video. Extremely interesting comparison, and good sense of humor.
Incredible comparison that rivals the comparison reviews seen on topgear back in the day. Bravo.
Absolutely brilliant video, and I appreciate the detailed info on some of the Model T features. Sketchiest car for safety? Probably, with the exception of some of the "converted horse carriage" forerunners. I would be uncomfortable driving the Model T, mostly for the lack of brakes and the key pointed at my kneecap, and this is coming from a guy who has gone 120mph plus in a rusted out 1960's Plymouth and done 51mph on a pedal bike 🤣.
I have recently become enamored about Model T's, I really want to get one that has been sitting, fix it up and learn how to drive it. I think it would be fun for a little while, but not something that I want for a long time. Cool video here showing how a lot of it operates.
The model T is just a cool car! I love how the transmission works. It's a manual automatic!
In love with your videos since the Porsche one
Hi sir big fan
What a wonderful premise for a video and your writing was crisp refreshing and easy listening.
Very entertaining delivery of the information. Great job!
I was actually thinking about Ts and Ys recenly because I realized my time in Tesla's and Ford Ts was about the same, as a passenger and behind the wheel. They're both a really different experience than a traditional late 20th, early 21st century automobile, take a little getting used to but both ultimately become pretty easy to settle into and allow for a useful degree of practicality. The Tesla is fast but you have to accept the limitations of range/charge time, the Ford is SUHLOW but if there's gas to be found you can drive as long as your piles allow. The big difference for me is I want a T Ford SO EFFING BAD but don't even walk across parkinglots to look at Tesla's anymore
Maybe I'm just weird but it would be really interesting to see a video like this comparing a modern EV to a period EV like a baker electric or something...I know those are a bit older than the Model T in this video but it's the only period EV I've heard of, I'm sure there's a newer period EV that would actually be 100 years apart.
Lol I love how your comparing the model y to this. It feels great to see how we have changed so much and how simple it is to operate my car each morning. Idc what people think of the model y, but as long as I enjoy it. I enjoy it! Although the aspects said about the model y do be true and I have to agree with it. It shakes like crazy off road 💀 Yet my fams minivan does waaay better. Keep in mind the model y uses recycled plastic, which you missed that detail. Model y uses some recycled parts for the car.
That was great fun. BTW, that steering wheel is a period-correct aftermarket product often referred to as a "Fat Man" wheel. I have one of a slightly different design on my '22 T Speedster. The original wheel was bolted on in the usual manner.
Thanks for that info, I was wondering. Have seen a few model T videos and thought the wheel looked different than what I remembered seeing in other cars.
1922 original or a 2022 replica? gotta love how 100 years makes dates a problem.
@Justin Noker Heh...you're right. My speedster is a 1922, built by my dad in the early '60s (1960s😁) as the car he wanted when he was 16.
@Joe Way to think it was nearly as old back then as my car is now, regardless that's awesome!
Bravo! Best episode yet, and that's saying something.
I guess if you're driving your Model T and somebody pulls out on you, the steering does more for you than anything related to speed. But then also, there were no rules back then against modding your car, so mounting a tank turret on top was probably an option.
the comparison we never knew we needed, but a one we are glad to have received nevertheless... thank you knowledge daddy!
Thanks for the video. The safety part was hilarious! :D
I too found some interesting things that are similar. So strange that they both have 4 wheels and doors. I truly am awestruck.
As frustrating as it sometimes is when you go weeks without uploading, it’s nice getting sort of a surprise bonus Saturday morning episode. I really liked this one too. Videos like this or the Porsche one make a great complement to your typical build videos.
All hail the algorithm!
"...you barely have to slow down for a cliff..." OMG that was PERFECT! I do appreciate your comparison!
Magical introduction, great storytelling
This was very nice to watch. very interesting and educative.
Great video thanks! I learned a lot !! I want a model y so bad, hopefully another price drop soon:) I have a single motor cybertruck reservation which I’ll probably never see or b able to afford, I’m definitely gonna save for a model y! Thanks again awesome video!!
I helped rebuild a few model T"s in the late 80"s. When I was in high school. Such a simple design and easy to work on.
You're one of the few for whom i've turned adblock off. Love what you're doing.
Get premium. It’s so much better.
@Mark M get vanced lol
@Igor Barbaros you do realize you’re sharing your Google login with a unauthorized app. Even adblock will capture your logins.
@Mark M Adblock won't capture your login... It just blocks certain elements from loading, nothing to do with logins or secure connections
@Mark M Google knows your logins and so much more so don't act like you care about that stuff.
as a tesla lover, i was impressed by the build quality of the Model T it lasted 100 years wow! Teslas wouldn't even survive 50 years! amazing videos matt :)
Awesome video!
Love your humour too.
Wish someone could remake the ford as it looks so cooool!
I am endlessly curious when the pedal controls changed from ... whatever the Model T was doing to the 3 pedals we know today.
This was such a great entertaining video! Thanks for making this video.
You can buy manual buttons for a Tesla, just use an app to assign functions. Some things just seem quicker and easier with a physical button rather than having to scroll through a menu just to change the ac or heater settings, especially while driving.
What are they called, which company make those buttons?
@salle rc the company is called Enhance, the product is called s3xy buttons. I saw the ad on the latest Munro Live video, scroll to the last part to see how it works.
@DomingoDeSantaClara Thanks!
I like how casually he said “If somebody pulls out in front of you, you are going to die.”
Love how the Model T has a hood scoop. Plus points right there,
And I bet you can still fill the model T tank faster than you can charge the model Y battery ! A win for the model T !!!
That was great.. think the model should win the safety.. guarantee you’re way more attentive driving that thing👍.. and probably smiling a lot more too
This is very well done and interesting. Thank you. -Plaid S owner
Excellent episode Matt - algorithm hailed👍
This was a great video. Keep in mind, there were probably more people running around in electric cars back in 23 than in gas cars. So henry destroyed the electric car market as well. LOL!
There were very few electric cars by that point. Fifteen years earlier than that, maybe.
@jsquared1013 Do you like taking the joy away from people on purpose.. or do you like stumbling on it accidentally.
this is one of the most unbiased comparisons ive seen as of yet
Great vid. Fascinating in parts, too! All hail the algorithm!
My Grandfather bought a used Model T for $35.00 He told me how to drive and that it took a while to get it up to 35 MPH. It came with a good tool Kit.. always adjusting the bands messing with alcohol in the winter.
His second car was a Model A and she said it was a Huge Improvement.
His Brother had a Stutz Bearcat that he claimed would to 90MPH .. Also it had an exhaust cut out for when you got out of Town and you could hear it coming from a Mile Away .
Thoroughly enjoyed this, Matt!
I don't think any Tesla will ever last as long as a Model T.
I have pants that will out last a Tesla!
The one in orbit round the sun will probably last quite well.
@Mark Pitts - For sure. But whoa! The mileage.
@Mark Pitts the radiation has probably already killed it form working again, if they got it back that is.
Basically nothing made today will outlast a Model T. Simplicity is durability, but simplicity isn't safe enough.
It's fascinating to see the evolution of technologies. What things looked like before we had all the bugs worked out and what not. Sort of like the keyboard and mouse.
6:40 I had no idea model T could do *that*. The car looks so fragile but easily went down a clif where many so called SUVs would get stuck. Big respect to model T 😲
You've explained why my father, born in 1910, would say he was married and had kids before he ever drove anything that had brakes. Thank Matt.
well done Sir very enjoyable watch!
Excellent episode.
All Hail the Algorithm 🙌
That first comparison for the driving had me in stitches.
the world record in the quarter mile, for a human, is only 5 seconds off a model T's pace. incredible
Excellent comparison! You actually made a point for Tesla to look into improving. Simply by every points the model T won. But it wasn't fair to remove points. Since Ford is not around to debate the points. But then again can't complain.
Fun fact Ford's chief engineer, C. Harold Wills, designed the Model T's transmission design while taking a long bath. He's also the inventor of Vanadium steel.
I low key want to daily a car like the Model T now, i just want the extreme minimalism. Something that has a mechanism resembling a proper brake at least, but handcranked and with a wooden frame. It's like an airplane, really. I want something like that. Someone sell me something like that
what a lovely car this Model T must be for a inthusiast to have