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Why the Ottomans Never Colonized America?
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Kings and Generals' historical animated documentary series on the history of the Ottoman Empire continues with a video explaining why this dominant naval power never expanded to the American continent during the age of colonization.
Previous episodes in the series on the Ottoman Battles: • Ottoman History covering the battles of Kosovo, Ankara, Varna, Second Kosovo, Constantinople, Belgrade, Targoviste, Otlukbeli, Vaslui, Valea Alba, Skanderbeg's rebellion, Breadfield, Krbava, Otranto, Chaldiran, the Ottoman-Mamluk War of 1516-1517, siege of Rhodes in 1522, the battle of Mohacs of 1526, the siege of Vienna of 1529, the battle of Preveza, the battle of Gorjani, siege of Castelnuovo, sieges of Buda and Eger, the siege of Malta, siege of Szigetvar, Famagusta and Lepanto.
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Our Ottoman battle series will make a comeback relatively soon. Turns out quarantine is not helpful, as libraries are not working.
:)
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early arab conquest second part needed
I second. Can you make individual episodes from your big Arab Conquest episode?
Keep up the great work guys
The Ottoman Empire suffered the same problem Eastern Romans (or Byzantines) had.
They have enemies in all sides.
well they made those enemies
because they didn't treat well the people of the new lands the ottamans took
if the ottoman hadn't behaved well, now all balkans would be speaking Turkish
@Angry young man No they treated people from the new lands well. Where did you hear they didn't? They were just to all christian, jews, and muslims of the lands they took. They made enemies cause they were jealous. Don't you know the basics of the Ottoman Empire and how the father of the founder of the Ottoman Empire was one of the best muslim men who fought for Adalete (Justice) He taught the same to his son Osman and Osman to his kids. They took lands and they kept those lands because the people preferred their keeping it then the ones from before.
@Angry young man remember all the jews that had to leave europe to escape church's persecution? The ottomans gave them refuge...Had it been not for the generosity of the ottomans,all of balkan would speak turkish and say azan today.
NUEVO HEMRES “Being a Turk is hard you fight against the world. Not being a Turk is harder , you fight against the Turks”
People tend to forget that creating a transocean empire was a remarkably difficult task and, contrary to the common belief, they consumed more resources than could be benefited from. France failed in creating a sustainable colony, England needed over a century and The Netherlands only created little more than commercial posts. The Otomans never had a realistic chance.
Interesting statement.
i wonder how space colonization will turn out
I think the French simply never bothered enough about America. Their main concern was always France's place in Western Europe, hence Napoleon's cavalier abandonment of Louisiana just so he could focus on Europe.
You make it sound as if it wasn't a good deal for the colonizers and they spent more wealth on the colonies than they extracted from them. That is a preposterous statement. Obviously not true, as it is not sane nor natural for humans to go against their self interest. You're also suggesting that it was a 'too difficult task' for the ottomans, even though the video clearly shows that it was difficult because of very specific reasons, not because they lacked the ability. Your comment is reeking of racism in many ways, against ottomans, against colonized people, and frankly, it's pathetic. It's obvious that the western europeans, due to their geographic advantage, got to colonize and that created the wealth and the success of their societies in the following centuries. Without the riches of faraway lands, who knows, they would probably all be colonized by Ottomans instead, as the eastern europe already had! It is truly chillingly pathetic and racist that you think of colonization as an 'accomplishment', a 'difficult task' the western europeans had undertaken and succeeded in. Why? Why would that be? Are they superior, smarter human beings? Cause that's clearly what you are trying to imply only you are too much of a coward to say it out directly. Truly pathetic. Hate your kind of racists. If you're going to be one, have the balls to be one openly .
@eburcua cringe
it is perhaps worth mentioning, from a historian's perspective, that the americas were less profitable than india and china until the 20th century. this is usually overseen, if you are not an academic historian, or familiar with economics. although spain became rich thanks to the silver mines of the americas, it was still inferior to both india and china until today. we, westerners, often overestimate the wealth of the americas, although it should be clear that the heavily populated and developed empires of south and east asia, especially the indian sub continent and china, were the number 1 and 2 wealthiest economies until 1850 for good reasons. yes, great britain became the world's biggest economical power only after it took large portions of india, and after it defeated china, and then won in the second industrial revolution (around 1850).
Yes, it was super unnecessary for the Ottomans because they had everything back then.
exactly, this is why the start of the naval expansion and age of discovery by the portuguese came with the need to reach india by sea.
wow!
@Celdur the gold and silver only led to inflation or as the casus belli of Opium War had shown, just unsustainable commodity compared to the wealth and bulk of Asian industry products.
Think about how tough would it be to even get some silver and gold from the Americas back even if they succeeded, they would still face raids and attacks against the Spanish, they would have their colonies constantly under threat by the Spanish, and the Portuguese, I mean sooner or later it would be knocked out of the game no?
Esse canal é excelente. Pena que muitos vídeos ainda não tem legenda em português. Mesmo assim assisto pelo menos em espanhol. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Very nice animations and music so well used, that I enjoyed every minute of the documentary. You guys are getting better and better with every video. It is very nice to experience this development, while learning so much in the meantime. Keep up the astonishingly great work, K&G.
They were surrounded by European countries. A non-stop war with other sovereigns, lot of revolts, unprepared for the rapid development and modernity outside their territories and an old regime system that was already obsolete at that time.
A lot of factors. But you did a great video in here. Thank yoh so much. This is an interesting and most frequentl asked question whenever someone come to learn about 16 or 17 century's geopolitic..
Really glad you mentioned Peter Frankopan's book. It is the most intricate, detailed piece of historical document/book I have read so far. It's almost comically detailed and he manages to set the full picture through extensive, but very intriguing descriptions. The author covers not only the immediate geographical regions of the the silk road, far from it, it is merely used symbolic and as an anchor point, the book ventures through internal politics, trade over the oceans, warfare, aristocratic attitudes, quotes on internal and foreign affairs and so much more. It is a book that covers the linking dots more or less all over the world.
Thank you for your time :)
Always wondered this since playing AoE III, which strangely had the Ottomans as a playable faction, even though they never had New World colonies (whereas Sweden and Denmark did...). Very well explained.
i read history a lot and i think i am capable of analyzing it in modest level.
So as a turkish person i can tell that this video is the most accurate and precise source to suggest to people even in turkey...congrats my friends, following you since 2017... love u :)
Your history ia far greater than most people know.
@John and Judy Schuh not really. turkish history isnt nearly as old or as “great” as other nations
@Hayots Lernashkharh what do you mean by that? Don't get that in a negativ way i'm just curious.
@Hayots Lernashkharh Check out this clown. Nobody said anything about other nations/civilizations. Just a statement that it is great, which it is.
@Hayots Lernashkharh why are you mad
And why isn't it great
Shame that the great naval Battle of Diu, between the Portuguese and the Ottomans, wasn't even mentioned in this video. It would be awesome to see it covered in this channel one day.
They consider it to be sign of power of the Ottomans when in 1654 we lost the battle of Aceh in the other end of the world, however when a country with less than 1.5 million people like us created forts under their noses in Ormuz, Muscate, Socotra Island is considered irrelevant xD. Yet they didnt ever built forts in any atlantic island anytime nor in the western coast of Africa whatsoever.
K&G said they would do ottoman-portuguese wars sometime later.
They should cover when madeira was pillaged by the ottomans and the entire population was taken in slavery
Very well appointed! But I can't help thinking that the main impediment was geography. And if they managed to overcome this great obstacle, I wonder if they would be able to overcome a perhaps even greater one: the strong Portuguese-Spanish opposition in the Atlantic!
I don't know who does your art and editing for these videos but they are becoming ridiculously high quality. They are almost as interesting to watch as the stories themselves! Kudos!
Agree, I thought they couldn't improve their quality more but they are improving their animations and overall quality every week
The quality of your videos continue to increase! Love the animation and art in this one :) Keep up the great work!
Great work, really amazed by the editing progress you guys made lately. Not only is it interesting but it's super immersive !
Don't know why the Turkish historians don't focus on this topic. Best video so far on this topic! Unfortunately the Ottoman Empire is very unknown to the Europeans although they changed the history remarkeble. Thanks you for introducing them!
Every Ottoman episode is backed up with "Üsküdar'a Gider İken" and every time it is a home run, both in the terms of content and soundtrack. Keep up the good work. Suggest: while on topic of Ottomans, a couple of episodes are due for their decline
Outstanding - I am sorry I missed this in July, what a great look into some overlooked history!
America is out of colonial range for the Ottomans to colonize, unless they conquered Morocco (which they never had), in this case only a late game diplomatic tech could help them colonize America
jeffrey1017 I guess you have played Europa Universalis XD
Plo Koon Err.. what? XD
They never lost the spice trade, at least not when they were still a big power, they just had to share it. But the Aceh Sultanate for example was a big concurrent for portuguese-controlled Malacca and traded almost exclusively with Ottomans ^^
Plo Koon Fighting over routes is different though. I don't see how the Iberian navies would've prevented the ottomans from landing a large army somewhere in the Americas.
You will have access to most of the African, SE Asian, Australian colonies after annexing the Mamluks. If you would get all the colonization ideas, you may still be fast enough to grab some colonies in South America or even North America. Anyway, there isn't a colony the mighty Ottomans could not get by force.
I see you are a man of culture as well
This is so fascinating. In school we are given the impression of a sequestered ancient world with individual bubbles that were only opened, or "discovered" by European explorers. But to see how interconnected everything was so early on gives a much better view.
İnsan I'm not European, I'm from Argentina. It's just what we were taught, no way around it. In China they teach a very China centric history too, it's just natural for each country to do.
This is by far the most eloquent historical and economics description of the monumental historical events in Europe and the Middle East in the 16th Century. Thank you.
The history of some of those maps is pretty crazy. The made them from some unknown ancient sources and referenced antarctica correctly without it having been officially discovered until the 1800's
Yeah! I had seen somewhere the Byzantines (or early Ottomans, can't remember which one) had actually followed Africa south and just kept going. They brought back sweet maps. Seeing all the ice were like, "Yup, thats the bottom"
I'd love more videos like this, exploring subjects that aren't as well known to an English-speaking audience. This is rather fascinating.
They didn't have Turkish Airlines back then.
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what,,, is there something i’m missing or is this the lamest joke ever
@3alaiy who hurt u :(
LoL, good one
@almira His Mommy :,(
As a Turkish guy myself I am curious about this subject. There are some theories about it. First Ottomans were a land Empire beacuse of their Central asian steppe origins. Seafaring traditions started by first Turkish admiral Çaka Bey but not continued after his murder by Seljuk Sultan. After that Barbarossa made Ottomans rulers of the Mediterrenean and built a strong navy but failed to persuade the İbrahim Pasha to sailing to the New world. Also the Janisseries were influential on Ottomans war policy and they insisted on conquering the Hungary and Vienna. But most importantly Ottomans had trade routes from İndia and China to İstanbul. They think it is too little to gain with going to such faraway lands. And it was not easy because of Spanish naval force on Gibraltar and Mediterrenean. Lastly Ottomans failed in İndian Ocean campains in Suleiman the Magnificents time beceause their ships were Kadırga not Galleons suited for voyaging the oceans. If you have any other ideas please let me now🙂
Let's be honest, they had they're hands full colonizing Egypt, Eastern Europe, and the Arabian Peninsula as well as being imperialistic in India, Indonesia, & Morocco. England, France, Spain, etc. didn't have their hands quite as full in the old world before they started their own efforts in colonialism & imperialism in The New World & Africa.
I say this empire to former empire of course; I'm fully aware of the USA's history of colonialism, imperialism, and its current neo-imperialist (hopefully future as well (What can I say, I bleed red, white, and blue & I'm not ready to had everything over to China yet.).) tendencies.
@Patrick Blanchette
Dude what Ottoman's did wasn't colonising.
Colonising equals to exploiting but Ottoman Empire clearly never exploited.
For example taxes from Balkans they took were lower than the money they invested to there.
Their ideology was spreading islam.
So they only conquered but no exploiting.
Also this is one of the reasons of not going that far.
Not only because america is far but also because in the lands they are governing people weren't asimilated or so...
So it was difficult to rule.
While they were challenging hard with those problems no opportunity was left for other huge issues.
jason mcallister Who are you insulting? Did you mean to post this reply in another comment thread?
Muhammet Emin DİNÇER Would you say that expanding into the Balkans was the Ottoman’s version of Manifest Destiny? I mean, I could also say that America clearly wanted to spread freedom in South America, Iraq, and Vietnam, but regardless of whether that’s true or not, at the end of the day, we intervened in those places for our own benefits first and foremost (Economically, politically, religious, etc.). It’s what all empires do; it doesn’t make those nations mustache-twirling supervillains; just very human. I’m also not trying to knock the Ottomans down a peg; they were an interesting and cool empire (plus they invented military bands!🎶). I’m just saying that all empires expand to benefit themselves.
@Patrick Blanchette ofcourse there will be benefit from expanding the borders.
But can you say that USA made more investment (i mean for flourishing the country) than the money they got feom Iraq?
The archieves say that Ottoman invested for flourishing Balkans more than the revenue from those countries.
What do you understand from this?
More, when British, Spanish or the others invaded america there was a systematic slaughters against natives.
Can you show an evidence that Ottoman did any systematic slaughter against Balkans and others? Let me say: Never!
We know this from archieves and also from the demografik structure of the post Ottoman countries and their languages.
They are like never ruled by ottomans.
These show us that those people lived the same way in Ottoman rule as before.
It's interesting to learn that the rise of the Portuguese empire indirectly led to the fall of the Mamluk Sultanate (who also played more of a role in Spain's & Portugal's colonial drive then just simply the fall of Constantinople).
Yet, the portuguese never considered themselves as an Empire
@Spade Jack Neither do we Americans, yet look at our history😁.
@Patrick Blanchette the US isnt an empire, altough by the XV XVI centuries standards, would have been
@Spade Jack What I mean is that a lot of people nowadays like to call it an empire (though not myself of course). I think a lot of people have a new definition for empire that’s not the official definition(I personally don’t care either way).
@Spade Jack we lacked the numbers to even call it "an empire". we just built a bunch of forts and traded with the locals then went back to the homeland. the only place where colonization was taken seriously was brazil, where at some point half of our population of 1.5 million just left to go there
Two things are missing in this video:
Columbus asked Ottoman Sultan Bayezid II for sponsorship to his project, which was declined. (However, i am informed that this story is fabricated later by Evliya Çelebi in 17th century)
Hayreddin Barbarossa suggested venturing to Americas, which the Grand Vizier Ibrahim Pasha declined, stating that "The Empire should focus on dominating the Mediterranean and Indian Ocean.
Thank you for your information
Yok lan öyle bir şey evliya çelebinin götünden uydurduğu bir hikaye o bayezid hikayesi :D ilber hocanın kendisi bile söyledi geçenlerde
Emir Eser
Dumb decisions? The Americas were basically a goose chase after Indian riches.
The Ottomans HAD Indian riches and instead focused on controlling it
Emir Eser Dumb decisions falan yok bu arada. İlk söylediği hiç olmamış bir hikaye ikincisi ise hayreddin istese bile hangi gemiyle gidicekler amerikaya? Kürekli kadırgalarla koca okyanusu aşması teknik olarak mümkün değil sanki ibrahim izin verse gidebileceklerdi :D Okyanusta gemi yüzdürmek tamamen farklı bir konu ve Osmanlı donanması bu konu hakkında bir tecrübeye sahip değildi hiçbir zamanda olamadı zaten. Portekiz gibi denizci ülkenin bile kıyıdan kıyıdan afrikanın burnuna ulaşması için kaç tane denizci öldü gitti bir sürü sefer yapıldı öyle geminin ucunu Amerikaya çevirince varmıyorsun oraya.
Emir Eser not dumb, but unnecessary. First, why the hell you need to sponsor an enemy traveler?
second, Ottoman already controlling Indian sea and old trade routes, venturing Americas would be expensive and risky since Spain and Morocco are controlling the Gibraltar. Ottoman empire is too fragile for another expansion
Geographical disadvantages is the main reason behind all of this
I love all your videos.. very creative refreshing and I can even explain to my children about history using the videos. Straighforward and simple explanation
One little mistake there. You said the Ottomans took Tunis in 1560, but they actually first captured it in 1534, then lost it in 1535 to Charles V, then recaptured it again in 1568, then lost in 1573 to the Spanish, and finally took it in 1574 to hold until the French conquest of Tunis in 1881-1883. Otherwise great video! Love your work, keep it up!!!!!
I recently finished The Silk Roads by Peter Frankopan and it was incredible! A crash course of central Asia history
They only sought to destroy the Fountain of Youth, with help from a Scottish knight and a pirate
Ah, another man of culture!
And accidentaly, the scottish knight, out of curiousity, manage to drink it
and of course to fight against the circle
A ship has arrived from Malta!
AoE3 Legends
A nicely informative video. It confirmed a few suspicions I had about the Ottoman's when I saw this video's title. It was great. I would appreciate it very much if I saw your next video on the Imjin war. My compliments to all those who made this video a reality.
i find kings and generals to be the best unbiased & thorough source of information on ottoman history, a subject so delicate and complicated many history enthusiasts on this platform have failed while attempting to explain.
Thanks for the video. After reading several of Historian Roger Crowley's books on the Mediterranean, the rise of Venice, the Fall of Constantinople as well as the Porguese expansion east, one conclusion is that though the Ottoman empire was far more powerful and organized that any of the European kingdoms the smaller European nations competed against each other, and in some cases were actually Republics run by merchants like Venice and Genoa and later Holland. So while Venice was a small city state- with a number of holdings and though it lost out in the expansion to the west, that state and business model ultimately outcompeted the Ottomans.
I'm not sure what you're saying here. Venice was an empty husk at the time of the height of Ottoman power.
Generally it's the countries with lots of wealth but little land area who colonise across oceans, the Greek cities, England Venice and Portugal are good examples
I wouldn't really classify the 3 great colonizer nations as little lands area... Spain, France and England were all much larger than say.. Florence, Venice or Genoa. I think a much more important attribute was stability and ease of access to the Atlantic ocean.
@Jonathan London european countries in europe are actually quite small compared to many other countries we have these days
@xXxSkyViperxXx They're not quite small... maybe if compared to like Russia or the USA or China. If we're going off population, Germany, the UK, France and Italy are the 19th, 21st, 22nd and 23rd highest population countries respectively. Regardless, modern nation states in Africa and South America are only the size they are due to the interference of the colonizers as they organized territory into easier managed sections.
@Jonathan London there you have it, u said it. big population, little land, of course theyll go out colonizing
@xXxSkyViperxXx ???? They went out colonizing because they had direct access to the Atlantic ocean. It had nothing to do with overall population.
It's a bit later than this video but Price Frederick of Germany had a personal colony in Texas, it's still there.
The Prince went himself to Texas to set it up.
They were invited by the Govt of the moment in Mexico.
Look on the map Southish and West of Austin at Fredericksburg, Texas.
That colony gave rise to a unique South Texas music genre still popular today. Tejano with Selena as the most famous. Also style Conjunto and a few others use German instruments and wear leaderhosen.
Also, the Pope used a World Map and drew lines on it, as to who got what .... except of course Britain doesnt follow the pope but at least they now have a map to see who to invade.
While not Govt Offical Colonies, large areas of Texas were settled with land grants from Mexico to European settlers,Poland, Italy, Czech,
2:30 The anime and manga "Altair: A Record of Battles" (Shoukoku no Altair) made many references about this. The protagonist (who is a pasha, a general, of the Turkiye Stratocracy) made friends with the Doce of Venice (Venedik).
The manga and anime was roughly based on the Ottoman Empire (Mehmed II), its relationship with other countries and its competition with the Holy Roman Empire (or Balt-Rhein Empire).
wtf? japan is crazy these days
@ODTÜ İşletme kazanmayan gey olsun Try reading it :)
Every single time you fascinate us with different animations that is so enjoyable to watch. I cant decide wich one is the best but can say you guys choose the right for the right video such as but not limited to this one and the Sicily and mongolian invations and Switzerland and many many more all done beautifully good job.
It's interesting that the main combattants in the region: Ottomans, Polish, Austrians and Germans -- who were the most powerful in these two centuries, didn't participate in the colonization process that was undertaken by other less powerful states (with the exception of Spain who was at a time also very powerful)
The germans did colonise though but late, Austria was not capable and the ottomans although they didn't colonise still had overseas territories despite the fact they didn't need to because they controlled one of the most important trade routes in human history.
@Bryan E Yes I know the Germans colonized much later which is why I used the expression 'in thest two centuries" (referring to the period of 1500-1700 featured in the video).
@Emperor 5Head oh I missed that my bad
David Josephus Daniel Nuntius You think Portugal was on par with the Ottomans and the Habsburgs and the Polish Lithuanian commenwealth? I mean their failed compaign in Morocco kinda suggests to me otherwise.
David Josephus Daniel Nuntius I'm saying that the Portugeese decided to invade Morocco and the best they could come up with is less than 25k men for a major compaign. Now compare that to the Ottomans or the Habsburgs at the time in their major compaigns. That's what I mean, I'm not saying Portugal wasn't powerful, I'm just saying that it wasn't top tier at the time.
Too good. Very clear and good explanation. I love history and especially your videos they are beautifully designed and just too interesting.
Considering this channel from the few videos I've seen of it is focused on wars and battles.. the one-upsmanship of Portuguese versus Ottoman's in the Indian, and the veritable world war that started.. I was expecting a bit more detail on this. There are many curious battles, invasions of independent countries, and a complex web of intricate alliances with indian, east affrican and indonesian states that both states utilized.
The battle of Benadir is one such example of this evolving conflict.
Hello guys,
and thanks for your exceptionally good work.
I really enjoyed the narration and es[ecially the visual style of your video. Can you please tell me how do you make it? What program is being used to draw the pics and edit the video? Or maybe there is a way to order a video in such a style from you?
I've literally been waiting for somebody to make a video explaining exactly this topic for years, thanks so much you guys i love your channel! :D
this video is so detailed and yet to the point. This is the best history channel on youtube
This feels tautological. The reason for the Iberian interest in the Americas was the Ottoman conquests in the East (which blocked access to the Indian ocean). How could the Ottomans be motivated to head West across the Atlantic if the motivation to do so was to arrive where they already were?
I think the debate was more, why didn't they at least attempt a smaller less expensive incursion into the new world and the reason was because it wasn't sustainable. They either went through Spain&Portugals backyard or they sailed all the way around Africa. As the video mentioned they also were experiencing a great many growing pains due to their expansion into Europe and Africa.
Exactly. They had discovered the world was round and they thought they could get to India by going around in the opposite direction and would arrive at the same place.
@adriana lainez They're separate continents. Saying they're the same continent is like saying Europe and Asia are the same continent.
@adriana lainez lol k
@Jonathan London Depends on what country you're in.
Some recognize 4, others 8. Some have the Americas as one, or Eurasia as one, and others don't. Some (cough) don't even recognize Oceania.
Because to the East, they had the Persians as their enemies, to the South, the Arabs, the Europeans to the West, and the Russians to the North.
@Dark Alan Ok, person on the internet who knows more than me.
@Dark Alan I'm an ex Muslim though...
Great video
but I'm surprized you didn't mention the ship building. Ottomans had galleys as their navy. Which aren't ocean faring ships. They did try to build ocean faring ships but they weren't experienced enough to do so and that was one of the reasons why they couldn't compete. They didn't need to colonize the new world if they had control of the indian sea.
Very informative and always give a biased perspective keep up the good work guys♥️
The only thing of Turkish origin that colonized Latin America was his TV series
And its immigrants. There's a bunch of Arabs in Latin America. Carlos Slim "from Mexico" is the fifth-richest person in the world. Nayib Bukele is the President of El Salvador. And Shakira's family is from Lebanon.
@Kübra Fool yourself, the Ottoman is mostly Turkish. Not even a small minority of Arabs in Turkey do not even now you can observe not only the Kurds as a minority nobody else
There is no such a thing as Turkish diaspora in Latin America. All of them are christians of ottoman empire. Mostly levantines but also Armenians.
Samsunlu 55 It‘s false to say that today the majority of turkish people just have middle eastern roots. There are also greek roots. Generally considered, there is a proper mixing.
Gerson Daniel Flores Fernandez the families of all the people you named migrated to South America from the Ottoman Empire
This is one of the best Ottoman videos I've ever seen. Makes the whole 16th century surprisingly coherent.
I love whenever you have a video explaining the economic reasons behind history.
As a historian interested person I always ask myself if they really wouldve managed to hold on to a colony in America how that place wouldve changed in cultural terms. Some claim that Ottomans wouldve not killed the native American linking the policy to the Balkans but we have to remember that the Balkans had a resistance force and imagine Native Americans in 15th century I believe the Ottomans wouldve still put harsher demands on them as the Balkans because they were isolated from the outside world.
Also, unlike the Balkans, Native Americans were not 'People of the Book' under an Islamic state, so they would have ranked legally as pagans, ie. the lowest people.
@Sawrattan Indians were pagans, but they were ruled by muslims for a thousand years, musim will generally try to convert the ruling class, then the peasants will normally follow, like they did with south East asia, the biggest muslim country in the world is there, and no muslim army marched there, just converting merchants and nobles and bam the normal ppl will follow on their own in few generations, similar process would've happened, we would have muslim spots in Latin America and muslim minorities in all of the Americas.
Hi Kings and Generals ! Your maps are so nice ! Did you used wonderdraft to do these ? This must have been quite a huge work ! Congrats !
This is the way we make history videos too, short & sweet! We love this channel!
Actually the ottomans did try venture into the new world, and we're in fact aided by a renegade contingent of Maltese hospitaller knights and Inca prisoners. They were commanded by Sahin 'the falcon' to stop the secret society known as the 'circle of ossus' and successfully defeated them by destroying the fountain of youth. There's a great interactive documentary about it called 'Age of Empires III'
I was just play that ... i forgot about that campaign
Not colombus found the America land ITS the Muslim 5 century before colombus
Aoe 3 wars of liberty is also awesome
@gursimar singh agreed. I hope they add the Sikh confederacy
@Zuber Singh yes. I also hope. A modder has already made sikh confederacy but it is a mod that we have to install. I hope they do some changes and add the mod( mod means modification) in aoe3 wars of liberty.
As you mentioned in the video about wars in Indian Ocean, Ottoman ships were light and they didn't compare with the Huge Galleys of Portugal. They did win against in Mediterranean but those seas aren't the same. Oceans have difficulties and Ottomans couldn't manage to handle.
Video was perfect as usual, Loved the Arts.
@Kings and Generals I wonder, if you'll eventually do an episode about why Poland didn't participate in the colonization efforts - and yet how they managed to get probably the "most humane" colony anyway.
We often see a christ/west-centric look but this is one of the few realistic versions of explaining history facts in a history related channel.. Thanks for all the useful information. Not only on Ottoman side, but also regarding the other great powers at that time.
P.S. This "trade-war-layout" also helps us to easily understand the pacts of the Ottomans and other European powers in the 15th and 16th century. Such as Venitean-Ottoman trade relations, France-Ottoman trade deals ..etc.
Excellent topic, you guys manage to give answer to questions that most of us did not even asked, keep up the good work K&G's
Pretty sure Strait of Gibraltar being only 10 miles wide had something to do with it. Spain and Portugal had the Aztec and Mayan gold and it turns out you can pay people in gold to build ships or just pay for ships already built.
This can be neatly explained with 3 main arguments:
1) The Ottomans are *already* surrounded by other powers and have their hands full trying to control what they *do* rule over. Controlling such a vast land empire with the logistics of the time was a herculean task alone and obviously is going to take an overwhelming precedence to any attempted conquest by sea of the newly discovered Americas. By contrast the European powers like Spain, Portugal, England and France are tiny land masses and a great deal easier to control. While the European powers also are at war with each other these appear like smaller border skirmishes to what the Ottomans are facing both within and around their vast land empire. Basically trying to conquer parts of the Americas is an obvious example of over-stretching the empire. Like this video also points out the Ottomans are already worried by the Portuguese incursions into India by sailing around Africa.
2) Little to no impetus for conquering parts of the Americas. The Ottomans already control the trade routes from Asia to Europe and benefit greatly from the spice trade. The European Age of Discovery was in fact started by the need to find alternative trade routes to India thereby bypassing the Ottomans completely. The Europeans hence *had* a great impetus. At this time in history the Ottomans believe they're sitting on a never ending goldmine of trade and can always reap all the benefits from controlling it. Since the Europeans are still actively trading with them throughout this time it looks like "good business as usual" as far as the Ottomans are concerned.
3. Contemporary ignorance of what the new continent had of value and the ever increasing part it would play in the coming centuries. The Americas were a wild and untamed continent for roughly a century before European settlers began with their own vast plantations of cotton, tobacco and sugar. The native Americans didn't have such vast organized plantations so the early reports the Ottomans received probably gave them the impression that the locals were "tribal people" who had very little to offer and who would be virtually useless to trade/barter Ottoman goods with. The Ottomans also probably didn't believe the native Americans would disappear anytime soon and that the Europeans would "waste their time" trying to conquer a "wild continent" inhabited by "tribal people" who had very little trade value and no large quantities of what the Ottomans would consider "good business". (a national stereotype which has followed the Turks 'til this day).
Knowing these three factors it becomes obvious why the Ottomans neither really had the ability nor the desire to conquer the Americas and certainly didn't believe it would be worth all the trouble.
As far as many Ottomans were concerned the newly discovered Americas might as well have been on the Moon. Too distant. Too barren. Too expensive to undertake.
Pretty good summary though I would correct one point and add another point
As for the correction: The Portugese held control over many of the naval trade routes in the East, they seized these when they defeated the Mamluk Sultanate (who had control of the entire spice trade so far) in the Battle of Diu in 1509, from that point onward the portugese would have naval supremacy in the indian ocean till they got replaced by the Dutch
And while it is true that the Age of Discovery was to find alternative routes to India it's not only due to the ottomans but also to break the portugese semi-monopoly on the spice trade (either you buy from ottomans or the portugese, but both would sell for highly inflated prices), that's why Spain invested so much in exploration
As for the additional point: The ottomans couldn't reach the Americas, on one hand all possible naval routes to the Americas were in enemy control or inaccessible (like with Morocco) and on the other hand ottoman ships, primarily galleys, were not made for open sea travel, they wouldn't have been able to traverse the Atlantic or the Pacific, they simply lacked the naval technology in that regard
Fax but mehmed the second wanted to go to Amerika he even taked the atlas of ptolemy and Stuck the word map on the wall of his room tho
It would be fascinating a video about the possible knowledge or presence (traiding posts, maybe cities) of Fenicians, Carthaginians or even Romans in America
I've fixed it in EU4. Preemptively secure footholds increasingly to the east coast of Africa, then South to the Cape. Once colonial range is done - go in a straight line to South America and join the party. Meanwhile also a good war on the west coast of Africa can create a dent big enough to repair fleet when needed.
Awesome video! I love watching your content when I wake up and any time I eat.
Did anyone else notice the East Indies theme at 12:40 from Anno 1404? I'm so glad you picked that, it's a great song and the perfect vibe for this part of the video.
The Kunjali Marakkar or Kunhali Marakkar was the title given to the naval chief of the Zamorin of Calicut(Kozhikode Samoothiri) in present-day Kerala, India during the 16th century. There were four Kunjali Marakkars who were the naval commanders of Zamorin in his naval war against the Portuguese from 1507 to 1600 who defeated Vasco da Gama.
Thank you so much for uploading this video. It is helping me get through the pandemic!
As an Age of Empires III fan, I sometimes wish the story of Sahin the Falcon was real.
Excellent video. Thank you so much.
This is the way history should be taught.
The version that brazil was disvovered by accident during a voyage to india is highly contested today. Spanish navigators had already landed in some eastern line of the tordesillas treaty and the "discovery" was simply to fulfill the treaty
Great video neutral and not bias.
I just wanted to add on one more thing Barbrossa wanted to send expeditions into the Americas but the Ottoman higher ups and command said no as the focus was on the Med Sea.
Now this is quality content , please keep up the good work.
Thank you for this well-prepared video. Some videos about Ottomans are so biased and subjective but you guys are doing this correctly.
“He who controls the spice, controls the universe “
The spice must flow
What happened if He is a She
@fath fez controlling women is first step in becoming a civilization. All over the world it's same
well, Indonesia have spice.
Ah, I see you're a man of culture as well.
You are the only channel who put in more work when it comes to the ottoman history I would be happy if you can can go in-depth to individual sultan and their accomplishments in details
And also adding new domains in a current system, which is already very huge and complicated, could increase strain on the system and ultimately may end up collapsing the existing systems.
I liked how you used Ceddin Deden as a background song. Good video, keep up your great work! Also lots of love from Turkey.
Could you do a video of the battle of Zenta in 1697? That was quite a bloodbath.
Many years ago during my first undergraduate polisci class, this was one of my biggest WTF questions.
I appreciate your channel!!!
So the only question that remains is, why didn't the Ottomans colonize Australia?
The emus man... the fucking emus.
The scourge of mankind
And the military and musical prowess of Rolf Harris were important too.
@Jax They landed janissaries, saw the emus, and noped the fuck outta there haha I like this version :)
Because their enemy, the Mamluks, got there first.
Wow, the questions, which no one ever asks! Great video with lots of facts and in depth conclusions. Folks, this is a five star video.
To consider the Ottomans a match to the Portuguese in 1654, when after 80 years of Spanish rule, a costly restauration war against Castille, attacked by almost every other european competitors in the Atlantic and so on, the Portuguese were a shadow of their former selves is quite normal. Of course that the Ottoman juggernaut was supposed to be stronger then a small and peripheral European Nation, when you look at the placing where their men, navy and power comes from in terms of comparison with the Portuguese. What is surprising is how a small country as Portugal, with low manpower and natural resources, coming from the other side of the planet absolutely vaporizes a coalition of relevant forces in the Indian Ocean only 10 years after arriving there, such as the Battle of Diu. Leaving marks that are felt nowadays like avoiding Ethiopia becoming fully muslim, establishing forts in places that even today are hellholes like Ormuz and the Horn of Africa. There was laid the foundation for all the maritime powers to come to rule the ocean through choke points and well placed forts and bases.
Being a successfull and impressive land empire is one thing, to have a blue water navy and sail across the globe through stars and wind is a whole different game technologically speaking. Some chose not to invest in it like the Ottomans or the Chinese after Zheng He, others had not any other alternative like the Portuguese.
Eles são Grandes, Agente é ruim.
We Dutch did it some later.
Thats was also the tiny start,of industrialization.
The windmils.
@Redbad van Rijn We had good relations with you guys, our monarchy was from Bourgogne, we always had a lot of commercial relations with Flandres, but then ours kings decided to expel the jews or force converse them and a lot of them went to the Netherlands, and with the Iberian Union we
we got the Spanish enemies for free. Some people from The Netherlands like De Huurte family in the Açores were settling on our lands, and on Cabo Verde.
@Leo Scarpe
So tell us why the Ottomans genocide Armenians????
There not,,,peacefull,,,there just as evil as the Nazi where.
It's funny to see the bias and propaganda that you are trying to venture here. But once u started this talk, I'll give my opinion. I'm jst finding it really funny.
What I said and I repeat, the Ottomans were great in their place, but they were no match to Portugal in the High Seas. Of course that on land its different, probably Contantinople had more population than the whole of Portugal. The Ottomans couldn't even conquer Morocco, but Portugal helped Ethiopia to remain partialy Christian otherwise they would all be muslim by sword. Submit or die was the Ottoman rule as any other Christian, Hindu, Shinto, Buddhist or animalist empire.
The fobia of Islam is not a fobia, we undertand you u for what u are. Same as us, just different religion. Islam has always historically tried to play itself as this underdog, as this religion and people who are friendly but when someone wakes up, they have a knife on their throat. What reality shows is that even in 2020 Islam can't separate politics from religion, they are the same! The same faces of the coin. I see where your thinking comes from, and I'm just sorry for you. As always throughout history, reality stumps on ideology.
You try to put here Islam and the Ottomans as victims ahahahahaah. AGAIN AHAHAHAH. Ottomans were invaders in Anatolia, the same way as Islam coming from the Hejaz was invader to an Anatolia where Christian priests had been preaching for more than 700y (a lot of times converting by force and the sword also). So people changed religion just because the sun rose?? No more sand to the eyes please... You are not preaching to some illiterate village in the mountains of the HinduKush.
Islam had problems with Europeans because Europeans were in Europe even before Osman was born and Islam existed. So what? We know Islam from heart and soul, the same way Islam knows Christianity. We are neighbours in geography and share historical roots. What is historically clear to anyone is that Islam only stops when its dealt with a Culture with Strong foundations and full force, these being the Europeans, the Hindus of India and the Han Chinese.
Understand one thing at last. Europe is not the An Nafud. We are here for Milennia and will stand here for Milennia. About the Ottomans standing against terrorism? I can't believe what I'm reading. Europe has achieved human development unseen in history, way greater than anything Islamic world has given humanity, and the islamic golden age in the 1000s gave a lot. Of course that the European colonizers were oppressors, the same way as Sudanese islamists enslaved black africans and sold them way before we arrived there by sea. Your problem with Europeans is that you are our rivals, and because we arrived there first, avoided you to do so.
Europe was able to control its religious radicals, and put them in their place. To have a secular rule, and separate state from and allow muslims to live among us. What did the muslims do? What are they doing in Germany and France nowadays, recruiting young people to fight in the Jihad, promoting Sharia among other stuff while the christians are persecuted in Syria, Turkey and every Muslim country? Your mask is falling apart everyday. We are secular and we are Europeans but bear in mind that when the time comes, our historical roots comes before the islamists we are receiving in our home. As Turkey as soon learnt, trying to roll over Greece but France with the backing of Europe, is a bit too big for u to stump on.
Just ask the Sahel Africa how are muslims behaving or the northern Mozambique. Corrupt leaders are the same, islamic or christian they just follow the money.
Hi K&G. hope K&G can highlight the history about The Glorious and fall of The Malacca Empire which is based in malay acepalago one of strongest naval under Ottoman rules during 1200s to 1511. this history is said to be hidden and twisted by orientalism and western colonial came in. But today many new facts have been discovered about the wealth and fame of the mallaca port's which is one of the world's leading ports and strongest navy during that time. Thanks K&G for continuing giving more info and history
According to Turkish historians, the Grand Vizier of Suleiman the Magnificent, Pargalı İbrahim was interested in the New World. And not only him in that time, so was Admiral Barbarossa and Prince Mustafa too. But you know there was no opportunity to make this happen because of the wars in the west and east borders of the empire.
If Ottoman colonized USA :
New Yozgat
Los Ankara
Mardniami
Las Vangas
Siirteatlle
Antoine Shelby we are not arab, and we have never used these words BRUHH...
Laz Vegas
Antoine Shelby lmfao
Antoine Shelby your name would have been Ahmed
Hahahaha as a Turk, I would confirm this would be 100% true.
Fun Fact, Jack Sparrow is inspired by the Ottoman Admiral Jack Ward (later Yusuf Reis). :)
Also there are Ottomans in few scenes in the Movie.
Not true
Jack Sparrow is inspired by various pirates in Caribbean including the infamous & flamboyant Jack Rackham a.k.a. "Calico Jack". While his characterizations and mannerism are inspired by Keith Richards from rock band Rolling Stones and Pepé Le Pew from cartoon Looney Tunes.
Jack Ward was only operating in Tunis or Mediterranean Sea, which clearly has different environment and warfare style than the Caribbean.
And some "foreign" looking pirate crews in Jack Sparrow's fleet can be interpreted as Indians. We can also see African and Asian-looking crews in some scenes.
@Sufjan Smith What I have said is %100 true. Muslim North Africans were calling Jack Ward "Asfur" which translates to "Sparrow". Jack Sparrow. 😉 because he was obsessed with Sparrows and he had so many pets. Research is good mate.
@Sufjan Smith Its inspired by Jack Ward, but of course in Carribean Style and Culture. HE CARRIES A CRESCENT MOON AND STAR EAR RING, which is also a symbol of Islam and that time the Ottoman Empire. 😉😊
Its just seems like such a bizarre question to me, since I never though about it but you've defiantly given me something to think about. Also now I got to look at Ottoman naval conflicts in the Indian ocean, which i just realize i know nothing about.
I think the main reason they never bothered making any efforts to colonize was because they already had to manage such an expansive empire that maintaining a hold over colonial possessions would have added to much of a strain. Also, colonizing the Americas would have brought them into direct conflict with all the major colonial powers which they did not want because they were already fighting the Holy Roman Empire, Hungary and the Commonwealth. Lastly, they didn't have a direct route to the Americas as they would have to sail around Africa or would have to sail through the Mediterranean and the Strait of Gibraltar which is basically Spain and Portugal's backyard. The reason for why the great colonizers were who they were was because they had direct access to the Atlantic ocean and had the stability, resources, and tenacity necessary to maintain a colonizing effort.
I am very interested in what it would take to start a campaign in Roman times like supplies, garrisons, Calvary etc.
Hey K&G, can you make a Video about the Merchant Republic of Genoa? Seems like Venice had control over the more important trade routes and their rivalry with Venice seem very interesting.
Also which trade did Genoa control? Thanks :)
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻thnxs for this unbelievable magical work
Where history has been enfused with life.
As someone who loves history i am overwhelmed at the minute detailing, accuracy and perfect presentation
And not to forget unforgettable music corresponding exactly with place mentioned is pure genius
the question can be answered just by looking at a map: to have colonies in the Americas they needed to have access to the Atlantic Ocean and they didn't - specifically, they didn't control Gibraltar. Had Morocco been part of the Ottoman Empire, they would have a chance, but Morocco was independent
But not trying harder to conquer Morocco after the initial setbacks is already part of the question. That the map in the Maghreb looked like it did, needs to be explained as well.
@varana312 The trade routes the Ottomans controlled in the Middle East and in Eastern Europe were profitable enough...to reach the Atlantic they needed to control the Western Mediterranean first and that meant costly battles with France and Spain
There was no such thing as Morocco back then
@Andres Salama Exactly - my point was that "well, just look at a map, they didn't have access to the Atlantic, d'uh" is not a sufficient explanation. It also needs to be explained _why_ they did not have access to the Atlantic.
Finally a detailed answer to a personally long unanswered question. Fantastic video!!
i think this video would be great if you talked about the battle of tree kings (Kasr el Kebir) - Turks were so close to get a free port from morocco after educating ahmed al mansur and abd malik the first from house of saadi and the defeat of Portugal in morocco lands !
Este canal es sencillamente excelente!
But the sailor Barry Reyes has drawn a very accurate map of the American continent and this indicates that he has reached it and there was great quality for them
This means that Spain was busy conquering America while defending Gibraltar and controlling North Africa. While Portugal was defending their trade in the Indian Ocean.
Here in the America's our Social Studies focus more in our part of the history (skipping most of the old world history).
Great video, I have just one correction to do. Brazil was discovered by Pedro Alvares Cabral instead Columbus
This question has always hung on my mind. Thank you for sharing your perspective so clearly
Great subject which has to be kown to elaborate on the context about the Colombus expeditions (totally due to the Ottoman supremacy at that particular time and place).
You should go forth about the "gaharu" trade between the South-East Asia (otherwise nowadays known as Insulindia among the anthropologistic community) and the Arabic states, dating form the Nabatean era and Yemenic governements related to this dominion, you should find very very interesting historical evidence about the Mousson, the merchandship relations inbetween antic Myanmar, Thaïlandom and Birmanian "monetary suppliement dating from this time, the early existence of the now-called "Île de la Réunion", "Île Maurice", "La Isla Rodrigues" and the Syechelles, notwithstanding Madagascar, Zanzibar and so on and so forth :)
This should be of the upmost most revelant and as well as informative and interesting matter, as far as the history of Indian Ocean politics and settlement is concerned.
To summarise, it's the kingdom of Morocco 🇲🇦 who was one of the biggest brake/stopper of the ottomans to expand west, the pride of Moroccans is still until today a major trait of its people, we would like you to do a video on the king moulay ismail from the alaouite dynasty (the one still ruling morocco) who reconcurred major cities who were on the Atlantic costs as mazagan, luxus and maybe others but couldn't retake sebta and melilia who are still Spanish till today, it could be a great topic
Morocco didn’t exist back then it was not created by france yet and you were our vassals so stop lying about history 😂