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Thank you all my Bonnie Bee Backers for letting me spend an unreasonable % of my year working on Airplane videos: www.patreon.com/cgpgrey And it's been… quite a year too, which I'll be talking about on Cortex soon: clip-share.net/user/cortexfm🎄Merry Christmas, everyone! 🎄I wish you all the best in your lives.
Have you travel to a hauted house at 3 am
Thanks for the great explanation, especially the latter part regarding how this evolved, in part, from the ITU. Fast forward to today, though, are the IATA and/or ICAO codes linked somehow to the UN/LOCODE system? Does one feed into the other?
Yr 5 years t
I really appreciate the canadian anthem playing during the y explanation
I feel like CGP Grey is on the brink of starting his own airport
Australia: Well, we have Y-
mega code : CGP code : CGP :code CGP
You can't pick CGP as the code since Shah Amanat International Airport in Bangaldesh already took it.
@Alexander Harrison Would he be the SOLE bureaucrat there?
I feel like with every CGP video we get, we see him descend further into madness. I blame Tiffany.
He's a Fan of Theophania
No, we dont blame Tiffany, we blame Hearne
Damn you Hearne!
Tiffany is totes to blame.
We ALL blame Tiffany
When Grey revealed he had been trying to find out Y for 8 months, just had me crying. The never ending rabbit hole trying to find order in madness is the epitome of this channel.
This needs it own separated video likes Tiffani's "sub-video".
@Victor Westerlund HEARNE!!!
We need a tiffany-epiphany "Some airport in Canada ruined my life" video explaining how close to insanity Grey came this time
His own fault really, he can't leave well enough alone and *needs* to go dig deeper. :)
Hilarious thing is, in ground school I was told about the Y vs W story. I really hope Grey releases a footnote video about it because I want to know!
Regarding "not starting with the letter Q" there are several 3 letter morse Q-codes that are regularly used in aviation to describe certain numbers. QNH is current pressure at mean sea level and QFE is current pressure at field elevation for example. As these are used by ATC all the time it's handy to not mistake them with airport codes.
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this has probably been said before in a more elegant fashion, but Grey's sentence structure is just amazing. Almost every sentence is alliterative and rhyming... it all flows beautifully.
I love how stick figure Grey has evolved from a classroom teacher into a complete menace to polite society.
@Weimaraner Studio what
@Raj Praveen So would I, but we got to accept we arent the norm. ;P
@Rune Trantor If a fellow flyer next to me said that, and if it was a long flight, i would be happily intrigued to listen to what he/she says.. I love some more info on infrastructure, since it has piqued interest in me for the past few years..😁
@Weimaraner Studio this isn’t cgp grey
a "Menace" might be a bit of an overstatement, but you do have a point. XD
As a life-long Montrealer, I'm pleased that Grey took the time to put a number of recognizable Montreal landmarks in the IATA office windows.
@bryanekers3472 I noticed the same thing!
Not a resident of Pyongyang, but same can be said for the landmarks and airport details shown in the FNJ part.
Yo, Congrats to the people in CGP Grey's Team,The visuals of the guy he was talking to getting very distressed at his airport being changed was hilarious and the music was awesome. It sounded like it was using the telegraph tones as the instruments then making a melody with them. Another awesome video thank you for putting in all that hard work I love it.
@Nissan38p All hail to fergus, the mighty advisor. Oh the bi-weeklyness!
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12:19That’s written in Hungarian!😁 Thank you for including our less known unique and extra hard language in your video!❤️
They are great that Way!
I think I learned why the airlines lose luggage so often.
"but that's a story for another time" is essentially a death sentence to an interesting topic at this point
@NOT_A_ROBOT Are you sure? The whole hole was not researched, so he escaped the rabbit hole whole and only did a rabbit hole half.
And the most infuriating part is that Grey KNOWS the explanation (if not, why would he bring up the printing press?), he just won't tell us for another X amount of time
And then there was the video about Settlers of Catan... he shelved it so long ago but a part of me still hopes he unshelves it one day. :-)
@MissTrillium I think we will actually get that one. Just a long production cycle combined with the pandemic putting a halt on research for a few years.
My local airport is called “Naples Municipal” but has the code APF, this is a holdover from WWII when the airfield was built and used to train pilots. The code stands for “Alternate-Page Field” in reference to the larger Channing Page airfield to the north, which has the code FMY for “Fort Myers”
FMY is my home base! Hello neighbor!
If I worked at that airport I’d totally get a hat that says FMY Life
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I genuinely appreciate the lengths you go to while researching for these videos. While no where near the scale of the research you do, as a University student I understand the rabbit holes you end up in when you ask the terrifying "why" questions.
The last two letters in Canadian codes come from railway/telegraph location codes. TZ was the code for Toronto, so we get YTZ. YZ was used for Malton, which is where Toronto’s big airport is, so YYZ.
So we DO have location code embedded in some of the IATA codes, PHEW!
I worked at an international airport for a while. We had a little airport code guide in a pamphlet we kept in our lanyards but we had to memorize a ton of them in training. I still impress people with the wacky codes I still happen to know.I always wanted to know why they were so weird so thank you!
I love the idea of Grey just diverting flights and lecturing to random people on planes.
@Hazelon same, tried that in the family gathering and everyone got quiet once I talked
I’m reminded of the scenes in *Airplane!* where Ted Stryker is talking the ears off of the passenger sat next to him. And they’re finding ‘interesting’ ways to make the conversation end…
- The plane got highjacked and is changing flight path.Plot twist: The highjacker is Grey.
@Felix Åmark oh no it's him again xD
GREY! I literally just did a project for a GIS class using airports. I was using the IATA and I got to a local airport that is a small regional airport with uncontrolled airspace and it gave a weird code with letters and numbers not the 3 letters. Now I know it was the ICAO. So crazy this video came out as I was turning in my project 😂
Although I feel like I walk away from your videos with tons of new knowledge, the only thing I actually learn is there are too many exceptions to anything to make sense to anyone inherently
Absolutely more than 8 months of work definitely went into this. THANK YOU, GREY. Phenomenally entertaining, as always.
I remember I had a problem with this. I accidentally put BHM (Birmingham, US) and not BHX (Birmingham, UK), and I booked a hotel ticket. Luckily everyone was kind and I was able to get a free flight back, and no extra fees for the hotel.😊
I need a 2 hour CGP video where all of the side notes and exceptions are thoroughly explained
@Zak R Look for GCP Grey directors commentary (or st. like this), there's also one called Behind the scenes of Tekoi... The search spills them out pretty reliably
@Zak R maybe he means the cortex podcast episodes where they discuss the actual eps?
To experience a video like "Someone Dead Ruined My Life... Again" once more. Truly was an experience.
He has a forty minute video on a spreadsheet for the Electoral College
A large proportion of the world's DNS Root Servers are internally identified using IATA codes (including the ones I run). Some DNS Root Operators are now using UN/LOCODE instead.
I was so excited about the accuracy of Schiphol down to the actual NS double decker trains! Such detail!And then I noticed the pin is in BELGIUM.
As someone who's spent the last 8 months doing internal software development for a major airline, I feel seen😌
Fun fact: The FCC's use of the K and W also apply to ham radio license callsigns. While 6 characters and not 4 they are also issued opposite to TV and radio call letters. My ham callsign started with a K and my local tv and radio stations were all using W.
Gotta love CGP Grey's unwaivering commitment. You have that content creators open a video epicly with "This video, spent 3 months in the making" and everyone is like "thank you for your hard work!!!" and then you have Grey just casually throwing in, without warning or a care in the world, "this single fact that's a 30th of the video took 8 months to nail down" and everyone's like "damn, cool".
CGP really wasted 8mo of his life for less 30 seconds of content in a niche Clip-Share video. My respect for this man is unmatched
CGP Grey used the iconic Jay Foreman order for naming the airports in London.
*I feel like CGP Grey is on the brink of starting his own airport*
You are an absolute madman for making this, thank you so much, it was very entertaining
I just love the facial expressions of the poor passengers who become unwitting participants on Grey's exploits during these educational traveling videos. They're always like, "Why me?!" and "Somebody, help me!" 😂
@Fluffy Phoenix Lady Grey is known far and wide for her emoji-like appearance.
@bleen In the runway video, he says "Hello, again," which confirms your theory.
It's like the magic school bus teacher, but kidnapping unwitting learners.
@Fluffy Phoenix 🙄😒
Awesome video! Very informative while still being super fun to watch!But I hit the like at 2:01 and re-watched that multiple times just because I was impressed with the pronunciation for Bhubaneswar. I hadn't noticed before how badly that spelling can cause it to get mangled. Way to go!(I think, the correct pronunciation is closer to bhoob-nay-sh-were)
This video was brilliant, I laughed so much. Thanks Grey for 16 minutes of my life well spent
Another feast before us! I always love the moment in Grey's research where things go from having a concise organizational system to the slow realization that there are a thousand exceptions to the rule.
Thank you for the explanation and added confusion. The Canadian Ys have always mystified me.
As an architecture nerd from Montréal, the fact the IATA and ICAO buildings were both accurately drawn and that y'all acknowledged they're right next to each other just delighted me. Thanks!
Did you recognize all the landmarks in the windows? There's 1000 de la Gauchetiere, the Olympic Stadium, the BNPS ("Batman") building and at least a dozen others.
I walk by the IATA building quite a bit, I didn't it was its headquarters, also had no idea what the organization did
*squee in Montrealease*Le squee! Le squee
Your videos are remarkable grey, niche topics made entertaining, great scripts and editing, just the whole package ❤
imagine trying to make a proper map for ICAO codes and you have to map out mars too xD
10/10 for scripting, structure and presentation. 2tbumbs up and I'm subscribing.
I used to travel to EAP-MLH-BSL and encountered the code-mix thereof. It's a lovely airport and a great piece of EU-Teamwork.
I always love the little hints of madness that leak through whenever CGP tell us about something that really *should be* simple, but isn’t
@h8GWBî Yes, but if someone knows about that vintage device chances are they're going to know how a fire extinguisher works. Your everyday laymen? They're just going to laugh and sarcastically ask "does it explode into a fire ball when you throw it?"
@FW911 TBF, there are actual things called fire grenades.
@FW911 are you serious about the fire extinguisher thing because if so we are doomed (SarcasmButAtTheSameTimeNotReally)
The more I learn about history, the less confidence I have in letting people run things. The best eye openers are the stories police, firefighters, and paramedics have to tell. There are people out there who think fire extinguishers work via pulling the pin and throwing it. I have worked with system engineers for military trainers that can't even find the headlight controls or the hood release in their own car. These are the people that build and decide how our infrastructure works. Failing upward is real, and the more people you meet in life and the more perspectives you see from them will make you realize how it's a miracle we made it as far as we have.
W for EastW for Without Weather
I salute you! The amount of research and work to put this little video together is unfathomable to my wee brain. Thank you. It was most entertaining and quite dizzying.
Thanks for explaining that. I often fly from ZRH but sometimes prefer Basel because there are more low cost airlines operating from there. I was also wondering if I should search with EAP, BSL or MLH because maybe that makes a difference what offers are found? No idea.
Learnt better than I did in class😭 they should've had you teach us airline ticketing
Working at IATA seems like a nightmare. “Here’s your airport code that we’ve spent weeks working out.” “Yeah... I’m not a fan. So I’ll take it, but I’m just going to use my own proprietary one.” 🤦♂️
I know Grey has said he picks his videos well in advance and spends a lot of time researching, but part of me likes to think he just had a REALLY bad airport experience that led to the boarding video, the runway video, AND this video all at once
Probably is both
That's not what it was?
Boarding was 3 years ago
@Lucasok11 *shivers* never again
IATA also teamed up with Helix to provide anyone in the travel industry with discounts and deals.
Yay Argentina! 🇦🇷 I like how you show us and the UK pushing each other at 10:32 😅Over here, MDQ (Mar del Plata) also brands its three-letter code. MDQ doesn't mean anything, but it's become a common abbreviation for the city.
This was amazing and informative. Great job!!
Awesome Video as always, but you missed the mess around trainstation IATA codes for “flying” codeshare trains. ;) Cologne central station, Germany used to have a check in for bags by the way, to get via high speed rail to Frankfurt without any luggage trouble. Roughly ten years ago. There is some hope that it comes back.
The care and detail you and your team put in every one of your scripts is frightening
I thought he said Mongol-ing, intentionally mangling "mangling"
and yet he said "mahngling"...
@CGP Grey Kérem, vigyen oda, ahová a gazdám megy!
@CGP Grey AH
@CGP Grey where's that airport?
09:57 Interesting. The map and ICAO codes don't include Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia in the group.But stick figures after - do :)
Part of me hoped that was actually someone’s social security number and they shat themself when they saw it.
Watching these videos fills me with awe that civilization manages to function for more than a week without collapsing completely.
7:11 He actually continues calling the Jersey side airport "Ewark" and it very much checks out
As a CY Canadian who flew through CGP in Bangladesh this week - this video absolutely made my day.
@Blade 5786 kid named finger:
@CriticalKid named Ladesh: 😳
@Md. Ridwan Ahmed Ishak bang ladesh 🤢
@Rat King 🤔
@Ian M Y? would have been better
what I'm getting from all this is...even though you might think that bureaucrats make your life more complicated, think again.they make life complicated for your great, great grandchildren over a hundred years after you have both perished, as well.
I can't help but be amused at the mental image of Grey asking if the person sitting next to him wants to hear an interesting anecdote about planes.Then narrating the entire video to them whilst on the plane.
as a tourism student, this was a stressful thing to memorize
Videos like this make me proud to be Canadian and especially a Montrealer. YUL forever!!
Grey, I'm curious how many times on your travels through the Forest of Infinite Knowledge you have stumbled upon a path, started down it, and decided it's not worth it to discover if that one poem actually is the oldest recorded spelling of Tiffany.
Take my like, my respect, and rise, brother!
You're a monster, and I respect that.
you nailed that
9:47 Either someone at ICAO was having a laugh at the U.S.' expense during the post-WWII era, or they wanted a Kommunist United States. Or both.
used to live in square victoria, always wondered what this massive plane building was for
I really want a follow up on that 8 month’s journey for Canada’s system dating back to at least telegraphs, in the same spirit as the Tiffany dead end video
As a Cork resident, having my City mentioned was the highlight of my day 😁
I like the part about BSL/MLH a lot, it’s my home airport .It the only true “International Airport” in the whole world. 8km to Basel/CH and 25km to Mulhouse . One terminal, two countries.Switzerland is not member of the EU either…
keep em coming CGP Grey ur videos are exaptional
Being near Sioux City, I love that it made it into an CGP video!
It was an amazing video to watch , thank you so much .
11:18 "if you dont have a system, you won't have exceptions" this resonated with me on a spiritual level
No rules? No one to stop you.
As a fervent Magic player who knows nearly all the 3-letter codes for each set, this was really weird to watch.
I love the airports arc of CGP Grey
5:00 I swear it was based off of what side of the Mississippi River you are and that’s why the states that contain the Mississippi River can have both K and W radio stations
Fantastic video honestly! I’m a huge aviation fan and tbh, this cleared up a lot of my question 😅
This is how I imagine shakespeare’s plays must have been performed when they were written. The complex yet effortless lyricism that weaves beautifully with humor. Always a treat to watch a new CGP video, thank you for sharing your perspective on aviation codes and how the hell we even got into this mess. Cheers!
Ah of course Shakespeare was historically known to be a bit fan of airports
Agreed! There's a certain hypnotic cadence to CGP's delivery.
Grey’s videos continue to be some of the most informative and entertaining found on Clip-Share. I never understood the airport codes, and after his carefully researched, informative video, I still don’t; but I don’t think we are meant to. ✈️ 🙀
I must mention that Canada's largest airport by departures is Boundary Bay Airport in the GVRD (Vancouver basically, but also Delta, but Richmond also uses it), which uses the IATA code of YDT and the ICAO code of CZZB (more commonly used on that airport, and the ground crew knows it). Also, CWWK provides weather CZZB, but CWWK isn't an airport, as you may imagine ti to, but instead, it is "White Rock Automatic Weather Reporting System". Ah the complexities and exceptions of aerodrome coding.
I like how the moose at 14:41 was hidden by Grey's stick figure in the previous shot of the forest at 13:30.
Just wait til Grey gets ahold of the most entertaining waypoint names used in flight charts... i.e. FRDDO, BGGNS, SMAWG, etc. :)
I love how in the videos Grey is always explaining to their trapped neighbor all this minutia in great detail when in reality, I’m sure Grey wants to interact with as few other humans as possible
"sir, this is a Wendy's"
And if any one of us were that trapped neighbour, we'd be like "tell us moar!!!"
Make more videos you’re putting me thru CGP Grey withdrawls
So, the FAA doesn’t want 3-letter codes to start with K to avoid confusion with radio stations meanwhile all 4-letter airport codes in the US start with K?
07:18 "An airport so nice, they coded it thrice" really got me
Absolute clarity on perfectly random but fascinating factoids. So satisfying, well worth the wait. Great stuff.
I'm from Freiburg, Germany which is served by Basel Airport (BSL/MLH/EAP) and it's genuinely one of the weirdest airports in the world. During covid, whenever I flew home to visit my family, I would have to comply with the entry regulations of 3 different countries (France, Switzerland, and Germany). I also once had to quarantine for two weeks upon returning to Scotland (where I live) despite departing from the Swiss terminal - Switzerland was greenlisted at that time - because the UK aviation authority treats EAP as a French airport only. So despite not setting a foot on French soil, I had to quarantine because France was on the UK's red list. Long story short, it's an effing mess - especially considering Switzerland is not even in the EU. Thanks Grey for giving it a shoutout anyway - I appreciate it :D
Switzerland is not in the EU, but it is in Schengen, so there is the same free movement of goods and people in and out of Switzerland
@NNONAO Happy to fly EDDF only
Yeah Euro Airport is hit or miss in general. If you're late for your flight but lucky you can go from checking in to your gate in less than ten minutes but if there's a lot of people you'll wait in one of the worst international airports ammenities wise. Also coming in border control always takes ages.
@Ivar Nordløkken sort of, yes. It's in France but half of the building as well the road that connects the airport to Basel is owned by the Swiss government, so it is legally treated as Swiss territory.
But, Basel/Mulhouse Airport IS on french soil, isn't it??
Amtrak uses the iata for mccook, Lincoln, and Omaha, Nebraska for the train station code.
2:52 the woman at the top-right is so delighted to submit her city's code preferenceI love these animations
Waypoints too get codes, and that’s where things get more fun, and perhaps a bit simpler for CGP - ‘people pick them’.Which is why we get way;pints for a landing approach that are:ITAWT ITAWA PUDYE TTATT IDEEDAnd if that looks like gibberish, just pronounce it. the genius in that one is ‘TTATT’ is the last waypoint for landing, but IDEED is the missed approach -> those who go-around saw something the others did not.
to be fair with London... Luton, Stansted and Southend are only counted as part of a Joke... though we are still waiting for them to count Birmingham International as part of London just to further confuse the yanks...
I really love the fact that Grey continues to accidentally roast Social-Security Number in both airport-themed videos
there are no accidents
Always love seeing the NZ flag and kiwis being mentioned in videos.
Not sure if a three hour drive is ages but love y’all for that
Also not forget the official code for airport handed out through the responsible government agency under the legislation that stems from ICAO. An airport needs an ICAO code but not an IATA one which makes it even more fun in the States with the FAA codes.
I legit let out a yelp when the Mars bombshell dropped. What a random bit of trivia!
I remember my cousin, who is slightly overweight, was traveling with her bags and they had FAT on it. She thought they were mocking her but it turns out that she had stopped in Fresno and their code is Fresno Air Terminal.
Actually, Denver has always been DEN, even when it was Stapleton Airfield before Denver International Airport was built. The crazy thing with Denver is remembering to use DEN and not DIA, which is Doha International Airport in Qatar. It's really only Coloradoans who call the Denver airport DIA anyway. Sort of...
@Stephen Howell St. George, UT built a whole new airport...but kept the same airport codes.
@Stephen Howell Oh yes, the For Your Information airport
slightly overweight in your country is extremely obese everywhere else
They’ve wanted to change this for years to be FYI (Fresno-Yosemite International (yes international, with only flights to Mexico)) but apparently FAA rules state changes aren’t allowed unless the the airport physically moves. The only time I’m aware of that is when Denver International built a whole new airport and moved everything
3:10 - I love how he dodged having to pronounce Yakima / Yakama. 🤣
Gosh, CGP grey really is turning into Informational Clip-Share's Dr Zeuss
Another great video about a topic I never realized I care about 😂
For extra special nonsense, sometimes it's the same code for two completely different airports. The moment operations ceased at Denver's Stapleton Airport (DEN), the code was transferred to Denver International Airport (also DEN), which had just been built. Literally overnight, airlines adjusted to "DEN" being miles away from where it used to be. Also, shout out to Meadow Lake Airport, which got the best possible airport code, FLY.
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