Link VS Cloud (Legend of Zelda VS Final Fantasy VII) | DEATH BATTLE!

Damn 🤣

@Alex Millar I honestly doubt that. Being more powerful than, does not mean existing beyond, even if they are exponentially more powerful. Regardless, all of those example are out of universe.

@Ike Illue that's fair about Genesis. ...but Belldandy absolutely exists several levels beyond Keiichi. The Lunar deities Althena and Lucia exist way beyond mortals as well. Sailor Moon is admittedly more questionable but still warps reality for giggles with the crystal.

@Alex Millar Sure, but those entities you mentioned (including the one that isn't actually a deity of any sort), aren't existing on a level of reality beyond the mortals in question. On the other hand, Aerith is basically the HM slave (if you are familiar with Pokemon game lingo) for the FFVII expanded universe, where she just gets what ever super powers are necessary to drive what ever nonsense Square decided to shoe horn into the story. This is up to and including the fact that she can see/experience everything that has, is, and will happen, upwards of 7 years beyond her "current" time.
As far as Genesis wanting Minerva, I don't recall Minerva (the god in the pair) being at all interesting in reciprocating the feelings.

@Ike Illue not at all. Divine dates make perfect sense in the Lunar series, and then there's Ah my goddess over there in anime. Considering how badly Sailor Moon outclassed Tuxedo, you could even throw that in. In universe, you must not forget how bad Genesis wants Minerva.

@Sean Pazderaw comment

Peter pan on crack be like

Well link is supposed to be the embodiment of a hero so that’s not good that he was portrayed like that

Fae means goblin like creature not fairy the fairy you are thinking of is just a kind of fae

Not so much when Cloud look at him with a "I don't care" face and dodge a giant bounder casually... But the Fierce Deity form is very cool

@Sbeve Loaf yup, i forgot how that happened but yeah, it happened

@Jose Manuel Felix Guerrero But hylia has managed to shatter the tri-force of courage in order to keep it out of the hands of Ganon In Zelda(NES) correct?

@Ivkir I mean, I was rooting for Link too. I totally agree that Cloud stomps him, but do understand that if Link had the complete Triforce, I don’t see what stops him from quite literally just wishing Cloud out of existence with a mere thought.
That’s kinda the Triforce’s whole thing, granting wishes.

@Randy Flake I don't count Ominslash as "full list" - He does not use much of his attacking materia, buff materia, he does not used any of his summons, or items. He did not bring his full list. But even if Link and Cloud goes full on with ALL of their stuff... sorry, Cloud a lot more tankier and has more option to recover from fatal blows.

So Cloud is allowed his full list but Link can’t use the full power available to him, a complete triforce, to once again wreck Cloud. Gotcha.

​@ZER009 if the latest trailers for TOTK say anything, I think it's safe to say that Ganondorf is done with trying to conquer Hyrule and is now going for total apocalyptic annihilation.

@Ultra3Wind Tanjiro Kamado vs Jin Sakai | Demon Slayer vs Ghost of Tsushima | DEATH BATTLE

For me it’s thunderblight, the fact that he is able to react, perfect dodge, then outpace him is insane beyond comprehension. You could argue the flurry rush isn’t cannon to Link’s speed but the champions have voice lines reacting to Link’s perfect dodge so I’d argue that it’s real

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​@Seninshi Dude the point isn't that Link wins
just that this feat for Link going ftl is dogshit when they could have used him making Ligthning look slow in comparison to him or him deflecting multiple lasers

He hasn’t change at all lol. They just didn’t nerf cloud this time.

@Zachary Fields bruh you do know logically speaking power always catches up with speed. Example world war 2. Japanese and USA. Same logic applies here eventually link would get the upper hand cloud stamina would drain because link is defense player with link with his light shield from ocarina time which also indestructible. So if cloud attack all of his attack will Either be blocked or directed back at cloud killing him. The only reason cloud won this is because Zelda game are more popular and have bigger fan base right now plus tears of kingdom is coming out in a couple months. Death battle always makes the popular person loose to make fans mad to get views for there channel. They even admitted that on Twitter lol. To be honest who would win if they weren’t fiction characters. Neither they would work together.

@Aeroblast49 actually letting cloud use his arsenal and better research makes alot of difference

@Aeroblast49 Cloud got to use his stuff instead of using level 1 stuff. Also he isn't weak to Holy

I don't trust this since these two already did a death battle 11 years ago and link won 🙃 I don't get how that changes

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The fact that he set it up with the song of storms makes it a great detail too

That was a badass moment

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@Sean Pazdera He’d also have Triforce from Skyward Sword.

@Sean Pazdera hadnt considered that one! i think this was a slightly slanted decision lol

@Sean Healy Oh, not just that. He'd also have the Triforce in the Hyrule Warriors timeline.

Also. if its TRULY a composite link, then he has the ability of the triforce as a whole per ALTTP, not just the courage section. "Wish cloud dead" game over. LOL

Sean, just search up & read the full Q&A Blog by this episodes researcher, Ultraguy, to see why Cloud still wins regardless of all Links stuff, "Link vs Cloud Q&A Ultraguy"

@alex lapping link might not be strong physically, but he has the skills and abilities necessary to win

@josh portie I was saying this out loud, like how did he cut through the triforce, and why did link use it as a shield

Did it even matter? Cloud still won

@josh portie They have made it clear the fight is just for show. They determine the battle by character strength and feats. While I agree the speed feats are overrated for both. Assuming we ignore outliers, advent children shows Cloud jumping up a building slicing chunks of building in his way. More incredibly this is all supposedly a jump (with his arms) not actual flight so an insane amount of force would be needed, and cloud is not even winded or strained by this. Link is just not that strong. Its the trouble with death battles goal in general what constituents outliers? how do you determine whats ok and whats not. They have taken the approach that its all fair game.

Link won the other video on death battle

​@Unoriginal255to be fair, the Guardian lasers have wind up and basically tell you they're going to fire. Yes, he needs to time it perfectly, but he has a moment to prepare and as long as hes seen a few before, he knows the timing window. Id hardly call it a reaction feat

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He can deflect guardian beams though and go into bulled time

If he doge clouds attack link would have gone into flurry mode and cut cloud up

@Hello there For real man, I hate how they tend to just reach for raw extremes on numbers as well, like calculating the entire force contained at the center of an explosion for characters usually on the outskirts, or showing speeds that characters have traveled and automatically assuming they would be capable of fighting at that speed, 90% of the time in these episodes it is clips of a character sprinting at unimaginable speeds, but their bodies are moving at very realistic speeds to fight.

I'm better with young link than I am with cloud.

or watch the episode from 10 years ago where Link won! lol

the math does not lie ok

@Squall Leonhart You must be happy now that Sora is in 😂

And then after the fight they both make out!

@Ivkir As I said above, it really doesn't matter in this context. Cloud actually scales beyond all the summons, so the best they would do is give Cloud numbers. And again, Cloud is so much more powerful than Link is, baseline, the worst case scenario, it would be a mild annoyance, as he has to repeatedly kill Link.

@Ike Illue Don't forget the summons. Why bother if he can just Bahamut them all?

If we are being honest, that actually holds no baring at all on the fight. The odds of Cloud actually being forced to use Final Attack Phoenix are incredibly low, well within fluke territory. As for Link, whether Cloud kills all the fairies with some all target spell, or just kills Link enough times to use them all up, it kind of makes them irrelevant in the end.

Ahahhahaha poor zack bro just wanted to escape

Sorry Cloud you're not Zack enough for SOLDIER

@Cory Myers Also if Darkness replies to me and wants to continue. If I had to pick, with a gun to my head, the most consistent JRPG in the Final Fantasy Series of the Single Digits, It would be 8. 8 minimizes some of the problems by building a world where summons are like unlockable myths and you fight magicians who can control space and time. So yeah, that tracks. Ironically, compared to 9 which is my favorite, I would even go as far and say is that 8 is the most consistent game in the entire numbered franchise period bar 15, which I would give similar arguments but too bad I hate that game oof.

@Jay Bomb Since I am going to be replying to him, Powerscaling is not a happy, sunshine and rainbows excercise.
Sometimes, using logic, math and narrative produces holes in the entire argument that can either be taken at face value or ignored. And most of the time, that leads to powerscaling being very, very harsh to some narrative and world beats that just plainly don’t line up.

FF7stans: "hurr durr supernovaissolarsystembuster."

@The Foolish Oh? How so?

@Mada Notap I’m from the future. You’re wrong.

@random dude357 Unfortunately, that's not the case. Because even if you're of the belief that the authors have the final say on everything that goes on in their work (which is tenuous at best but you didn't come here for an essay), we have two pieces of work, that exist in the same universe and are apparently just as canon as each other, but nevertheless actively contradict each other.
In one storyline, Cloud cares about Aerith and the world he lives in but was unable to save the latter and needed help to do the former.
And in another: Cloud can move multiple times faster than light and therefore could have just pulled Aerith out of the way and destroyed meteor himself by running at it, as well as have around infinite turns against every single non-boss enemy in the game.
By the rule of absolute authorial intent, these two canons are equally valid, but they cannot both exist in a consistent timeline, as they actively contradict each other.

@Mada Notap don't be a smart a*s you know what I meant. But just in case you really didn't understand it: the reality is, whether you want to admit it or not, those events happened in the game because the creators wanted it to happen that way. Reality is reality ie square Enix already made the game and wrote the story that way and you trying to argue it is meaningless because those events already happened. You can accept it and move on or keep arguing, doesn't change the fact that it already happened

@random dude357 I mean... No? It isn't reality. It's a video game. A fictional video game.

@Kawatee Shoshoni my life is a goddamn lie

@Ivrydice that doesn't discount my point then, as the Dissidia version is based on the same AC outfit as the Smash version (I don't play smash so I don't know if he has any abilities in there that are not shown elsewhere, like Dissidia's EX Bursts having modified versions of his OG moves). His design is still being pulled from multiple sources.

@Gamer's Theater the Triforce of courage offers nothing but slight damage mitigation according to Nintendo

also he never uses the Triforce since it's only used for special occasions and it could kill him

@Picklejho 69 The Cloud model is from Smash.
It's based on his OG outfit from FFVII.
It has much less detail and extras compared to his Advent Children alt which also has a model from Smash.
I assume it was used because it's the first blender animation and it's much easier to animate.

I mean, considering that it was Link playing the ocarina that caused it to rain, it makes sense.

Why are these two always against each other? Is it cuz they blonde? Or pretty faces?

@Bladezeromus Yes, you can. You plan ahead of time by scouting ahead of time. Same way our space exploration goes. It's why every detail is checked too many times. It's what AI does too. If something suddenly changes, it will not react in time. Reaction Speed to Change is not the same as Top Speed. Sorry that you fail this much at life and physics.

@CJ Trent or you know...
Something like Link rolling and avoiding lasers doesn't mean anything in terms of feats.. Like.. if you compare his roll speed with the speed a chicken moves at.. or a horse moves at.. He is obviously not even moving 50km/h let alone something that scales relative to the speed of light. If he scales to the speed of light then so does everything in the game, random people, slow moving slimes, horses, faeries, etc which is obviously not the case. There is nothing in gameplay or cinematics to say he can move millions of times faster than those things. I would even be willing to discount characters one off feats where they are suddenly near infinitely stronger or faster than their normal presented levels.. but at least those are actual hard feats and not "well lasers couldn't possible move a different speed in a different world therefore the character is clearly this strong and this fast despite evidence showing they are literally slower than a horse in all circumstances."
It makes no sense at all. This is not like a feat of Cloud's where he can obviously cut through a train like butter and tank incredibly strong attacks. Link literally scales to regular humans.. Maybe he is like Captain America or Spiderman level if you want to highball him.

so how does jupiter explode more than once then

You did a great job

you guys are awesome at animating these battles keep up the good work 💯

Please tell me you’re animating it when Saber gets a deathbattle

You guys got Link’a dominate hand wrong.

Great work and very appreciated!

@Blitz don’t listen these they said link would win in this one they don’t know what they are talking about. Death battle makes animated videos opinions not facts just saying.

It's one of the best and very thought out animation on this channel, thats for sure.

@Ronan Dread nah. If it was just base characters, cloud one shots. Link owes alot to his arsenal

Link would still win

@Astaku Mipha's Grace procced.

I mean that's where the hearts and fairies are so sometimes you need it mid fight.

@Russ Burias And after that, while he was lying on his back sweating and panting, all he could think about was "Worth it!".

maybe he was finding a fairy or something like that

This is gonna become a meme

@Jack lol true tho fierce deity link super OP like he literally becomes a dark god which in Majora’s mask it said that it could even be worse than Majora himself/itself

@Jeff Case link becomes a god, im not sure if you brain functions but a god is powerful enough to survive anything he doesn’t need that anyway link can time travel and if he hasn’t fulfilled his role in the curse, is invincible

@Ziz Also just because he kills bosses super easy doesn't mean Cloud can't do the same. Do you really think the buster sword wouldn't cut through Odalwa like a hot knife through butter when it has done the same to much stronger foes?

@Ziz The moon he cut in half was not even close to the size of an actual moon, it wasn't even the size of the moon in Majora's Mask, not to mention that feat isn't even canon because it only happened in Hyrule Warriors lol. And even if it WAS canon, slicing the "Moon" took a couple seconds of chargup time that would make it extremely easy to dodge or counter for someone like Cloud. Fierce Dietey is very strong but not anything insanely op. I agree that DB is not good at coming to conclusion for characters powers, but there is no way Fierce Diety is stronger or faster than Cloud.

@Crystal Queen my fault not one-shot every boss I meant 3 shot every boss. Come on now lol. It's the best option for every fight bar Goht in the n64 version lmao

With all of them that have the result changed, there is an explicite reason for why it changed. Like, Samus vs Bobafet, there was no new material added, and their research worked well enough to get the general rundown of their stats, so it makes sense that they didn't change the result. Then you have Sonic vs Mario, where they used Archie Sonic in the first one, which obviously ended in a stomp, but then specifically went with video game Sonic for the second, which drastically reduced Sonic's power, resulting in the winner changing. For this particular fight, they just didn't know how to handle RPG characters, and as such ended up massively nerfing Cloud in the first fight, causing the very clear winner to lose.

Hippity Hoppity you're life is my property!

@Can't think of a username ok lol

@air tiger 4 Well you're the one who started to talk about it

@Can't think of a username I missed the part where that's my problem.

@air tiger 4 And they never said he was giant, they simply said he was tall.

Cloud is just so strong and fast that this didn’t matter, Cloud would just kill him multiple times. Even then, Cloud has his own recovery items to pop on, and can probably either steal or kill the fairies with an AOE(morbid, but still pretty viable overall).
Supernova being an illusion was always just a *fan theory* to explain why it doesn’t destroy anything, no media in FinalFantasy ever actually regarded it as anything like an illusion, it holds no real physical evidence to support it. In contrast, multiple medias(such as databooks) do consider Supernova as *literal* and not an illusion, and this is supported by many of the feats of many summons in FF7 as well.

A great attention to detail honestly

@nathaniel bass And we hear a sound when he breaks them (probably the sound of gaining an item)

it's actually not a break in his character. Just about every boss fight he encounters has them and even if not, his most useful items come from them

@tolu619 i still think link is given faster reaction time due to the tri force of courage. No other Zelda character (unless you're a Sheikah) could react that fast

I'm voting for a Zelda vs peach remake who's with me ?

@koragola Lol, true. I'm a Zelda fan but I never agreed with Link winning that first death battle. PS: The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time invited the lock-on mechanic. "Every action game ever made" took it from there. There's an interview explaining how they came up with it when trying to figure out swordplay in 3D (remember games were just going 3D for the first time).

The first DB was kinda bad tbh. The logic that his Z-Targeting is a special ability and not just the mechanic of every action game ever made. Is a really dumb decision.

Nope.
Rematches were always only made for special occasions, such as Boba Fett vs Samus (in memory of Monty Oum), Sonic vs Mario (100th Death Battle), and this one (10 Years of Death Battle finale, and this was their first ever 3D animated Death Battle, making it special)

A few things. First of all, remember this is just a for fun animation. Its not supposed to indicate how the battle would actually go. Otherwise the appropriate question would be, why didn't Cloud instantly kill Link before Link had any chance to retaliate?
Second, it really doesn't matter what Link did at that point, there is no way in hell that Cloud, who is capable of reacting to bullets, lightning, light, and things even faster than light, would ever get hit by an arrow, falling or not. Smaller point, have you seen the size of Cloud's sword? Do you honestly think there is anywhere on Cloud's body that he couldn't cover with that thing? He could literally stand sideways behind it, and be completely blocked from one direction.
Third, in theory yes, Link could do that. However, ignoring the obvious durability issue with Link actually being capable of dealing any real damage to Cloud, Link's sword still has to leave the cloak in order to swing, and due to Cloud's massively faster reaction time, he would have no issue locating and blocking said swing before it made contact.

@OGJusta Alr.

@M. Bison, the Psychokinetic Leader of Shadaloo I get it. Let’s stop, yeah? This is old, and Link lost. I can deal with that, even if I don’t necessarily agree with the result.

@OGJusta "removed key abilities"
-Used Sheikah slate multiple times
-Used bow + ancient arrow once (probably lost it while falling)
-Used Fierce Deity Mask
-Used Mipha's Grace
-Used the Four Sword
-Used the Ocarina
-Used invisibility cloak
-Used electrokinesis

@Rod JJT You can TAKE the research in which they do seriously as you MOST certainly can AND SHOULD do so, it's just that not everyone has to agree or you can do your own but in most cases people fail badly on. Death battle is overall accurate it's just that fanboys are just bias towards their favorite character they like the most like goku vs superman.

Didn't the old death battle give cloud the basic materia..and then link had like 5 different boots 😅

@PLASBEZ ah. Sorry, so used to comments being mean spirited nowadays. Botw link kinda lacks in gadget department, the old death battle was a Mashup of OoT Link and LTTP

@Kane It means that I didn't know BOTW link could use a hookshot

@PLASBEZ What's that even suppose to mean. What do you want me to say? I didn't know cloud could attack without filling his ATB bar. See? Logical video game wise, yet adds nothing to this

Didn't know BOTW link could use a hookshot

Actually, Lock on/Z-Targeting is a legitimate technique of Link’s and not just a gameplay mechanic. He frequently gets taught about it in universe, and in both Ocarina of Time and Majora’s Mask, said technique involves him sending his fairy companion to hone in on an enemy to both focus his attacks, and to give him information on his enemy.

NILAY SHARMA it's not an actual ability link has, its a game mechanic built in to help the player in combat. So it shouldn't be used as an advantage, if that was the case they would have had to give cloud W summon which would be broken. Being able to summon multiple times in a row.

@Jason Darmasaputra yeah I didn't notice that my bad but I still think link should've won in a fight to the death even with that but yeah lol

@Yaya to be fair, it all depends. In the game, the laser has a charge up sound, which can help you to predict when it's going to fire, and dodge before it started firing, but the dev didn't tell us if it's to help us dodge better to simulate the feeling of dodging laser without us having the ability to react to the speed of light, or if the laser actually does have a charge up sound before it shoots. It's better to leave it out if it's not a fixed information

@Hollow_Indigo they both stopped time if you didn't notice, link stopped cloud and cloud stopped link at the same time

Wrong. Cloud casts silence on Navi, and becomes Link's hero.

He gotta do what he gotta do.

@Cody Hines If the swirl at the top was any indication, Cloud saw it as just a random encounter

Especially because that's what he does during boss fights too (to look for hearts) and, as evidenced by The Fierce Diety's Mask, this WAS a boss fight.

@JuJuDaBoboZX Also stopping Link from vandalizing the late Aerith's favourite place.

He also has the powers of the other masks including the bomb mask which would allow him to create explosions

Its not actually. In majora's mask, you can glitch fierce Deity out of boss rooms, and compare it directly to other Hylians, and it is in fact a giant

@Haha made you read oh right.... I think dorkly has a animation skit on them.

@Sàfér-£spīritūs-Sånçtüs nope, there is gordon freeman, claude in gta, player in souls like games (aside from sekiro, others who do I not know)

Wait is link is one of the mute protagonist in every rpg games?

@lenlimbo Yep, Cloud might have won the Death Battle, but Link has definitely won the Food Battle by a mile.

I wanna see Cloud and Link vibing and being homies.

bro you tripping never compare again Aang from the last air bender will destroy Link like he is nothing

So you prefer the outcome to be inaccurate? Because real talk link would demolish cloud in both fights if we compare both of their abilities and tools.

This is not a limitation stated in lore and only exists as a gameplay mechanic. And given Cloud isn’t bestowed the same powers as the bosses in MM then Link would actually be invisible to Cloud while in Fierce Deity form.

@rusher444 Having been frustrated by my initial inability to save the Fierce Deity mask on my plays of old original versions, regardless of platform of emulation--original N64, GC, etc (not PC, but whatever)--I did check and yeah, you are, that is, and I did that right on the N64 version and must have forgotten, likely due to my frustration with my 1st experience with and being the GameCube copy and not getting that to work *due to the specific chain of events needed to actually save the mask* despite trying various things desperate to do so (I do remember this exp quite well, and how sadly lacking the emulation handled speed control, making the game that much more bittersweet).
As for going back and actually using the FD mask just on bosses, why would I? It's not like the mask worked elsewhere in the game (discounting cheating), so I wouldn't bother unless I could find a way to carry it over New Game + or something, of which there's none. So even though I'm actually glad to admit I'm wrong, we're only done arguing over a red herring already debunked anyway: FD mask doesn't necessarily apply, DB cast making unassumable but still presumed and circularly logical leaps of faith. No surprise there.
I will never understand why they didn't make saving the FD mask simpler, unless it actually was an error, whichever condition--I might wonder if not for the fact that either bosses or boss arenas uniquely activate--but Nintendo never seems that forthcoming when it comes to these kinds of specific details. (Nuts to Death Battle then.)

@lolrus555 Already covered that in the other topic.

@blastvortex also, you _can_ totally use the Fierce Deity Mask on the other bosses in the N64 version of Majora's Mask. Look it up and you'll see you're wrong.

​@blastvortex Beating the game on N64, then loading the save will spawn you at day 1 with all your masks back + the fierce deity mask. You can then proceed to fight every boss with the mask if you so choose. And no, i never played MM3d, and I never claimed I know much about Zelda games. I just literally fought all the bosses in Majoras Mask N64 with the mask myself after beating the game, which you claim is not possible.

@M. Bison, the Psychokinetic Leader of Shadaloo Nope your on your own bye.

@Twilight17 Petkoton tf does that even mean?

@M. Bison, the Psychokinetic Leader of Shadaloo Nice try but you have learned it along with the DLC too The Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild. So you can't spoil it so keep your texting quietly or a warning is coming so pick your poison. Tick Tock.

@Twilight17 Petkoton my man, he didn't spoil anything about BoTW. He only said 100 years. 100 years of what? 100 years into the future? 100 years into the past?

Seeing Link die in this isn't as bad or impactful to me considering that mainly he's a video game character, essentially a robot, but also more so that the game never has for once in his 13 iterations has even given me an acceptable illusion that he wasn't. By comparison, 1 playable character out of 36 other characters in Mortal kombat 11 of which all have far more realistic personalities is able to get graphically disassembled in 252 creative ways.

@Ronan Dread What are you talking about? I meant the Hyrule Warriors game squads and Cadence of Hyrule.

There was no outside help still, link used the four swords ability which allows him to extend different clones of himself .

The pots were funny. But Cloud wouldnt stumble like that. Weve seen him fall from the sky and land on his feet tanking all that velocity.
Dude wouldnt homer simpson down a hill like that.

@Speed Boy on the rematch yeah, for example, I really wanted archie sonic beat DC Flash but it was acceptable for me, but in mario vs soni, as a video game sonic, I think they didn't gave him the power ups he deserved to at least counter mario's in the end the original was interesting because they at least gave them their corresponding known power ups leaving them ultimately on their own skills, even if in this fight mario and sonic were to fight powerlessly and mario had won , I would have accepted it

@Gabriel Salas Wdym, I mean I understand where you're coming from, I do wish Link could've won thanks to his arsenal of weapons.

@Theinen84 considering this link is a mashup version of all his incarnations, I think you're giving him too little credit, after all in a " canon hard battle" botw has it in hard mode that every single enemy can regenerate almost half or more of their life if link lieaves them alone so under your statement of cloud mastering every materia, the same would be for Link to have the most op weapons and defenses as strategies to deal auto healing enemies

@Gabriel Salas So you saying that Sonic got the short end of the stick by Death Battle?

@Speed Boy independent to if mario's power ups were a dream in mario 2 as some comics says that sub con does exist, they weren't fair there because as they used mario's lesser known power ups as new ones, they let sonic stay at the same old well known barriers, not even hyper sonic I think

The devs watch death battle?

@Spencer C I entirely agree, and I will say after the first death battle between these two I was very impressed by Cloud

I mean, that requires timing, but sure, it would change things up, by a fraction of a percent given what they scaled cloud to.

I mean yes, but better songs could have been played to change the tide of battle

I also love the slowed down, almost sort of mysterious feel the song of storms had in the score, it was so good

Yeah, and Cloud will clap those cheek again 👌🏻

@Werhuo Fairies would be considered outside aid, which DB does not allow.

@KG Motte I mean, realistically, you can look at it like this. Using physics, every action has an opposite or equal reaction. Meaning, the amount of force you input into an object has to equal the amount of force you can take, as to not destroy your body. Using that, we can easily use the Building feat from Advent Children as a clear cut showcase of Cloud's durability. He is cleaving chunks of this building in two like it doesn't even exist. He's practically mowing through it. That means, at the very least, his durability is equal to the amount of force he would need to exert to chop a skyscraper of that size into minute chunks. Which is absurd. Missiles and bullets are one thing, but this is a bloody skyscraper falling on top of him that he's cutting through like a hot knife through butter. These aren't small chunks either. This building has violently fragmented, and he's cutting through anywhere from a quarter to an eighth of it at a time And guess what? That still exceeds practically any of Link's strength feats without outside aid, which he did not use in this fight. He used nothing to enhance his own strength. He was basically tickling Cloud this whole fight. Notice how Cloud is never seriously injured at any point during this fight. Because Link isn't physically capable of hurting him with his own physical strength. That's absurd when you think about it, and makes it pretty bloody clear that they used start of FF7 Cloud for the first fight.

Let's all clap together now

@Phanta Yeah, and there wasn't even like two minutes between Link's revival and Fierce Deity getting nuked.

@Sean Pazdera And as I've mentioned before, the Triforce is either not nearly as powerful as you are making it out to be (looking at actual attack potency feats), or it is that powerful, but the Final Fantasy scaling is massively increased by using the same logic (Hacks equate to attack potency, which puts even the weakest summons at least as powerful as the full Triforce).
Yes, you have told me about his multipliers. But not only do those multipliers not legitimately stack (best example, the rings in original Zelda. One of them halves all incoming damage, the other quarters it, but you can't have both active to 1/8 all incoming damage.) Furthermore, composite doesn't mean adding everything together, it means taking the best from multiple different renditions. Like, his best strength feat that comes from one game, his best speed feat that comes from another, his best durability that comes from a third, and taking all the items that come from all the games. Its not taking his best feats from each game, adding all of them together, and using that to determine his strength, then taking all his speed feats and adding them together, ETC.
Beyond that, even if we applied both of the above, it still doesn't put Link anywhere near Cloud's level. Putting the math out there, lets be massively generous to Link, and put him at high end continental busting power as the base line for one of his games. Lets then say that each game gives him the ability to multiply his power by 4 times, and there are 18 games in the canon timeline. So, using the initial continent busting power for 1 game, then multiplying that power by 4 17 times for each additional game, that only puts his power at barely large planet level. Lets even go way the heck out there and say each game gives him a 10x multiplier, puts his continent level power, multiplied by 10 17 times, still only leaves him at mid range star busting. I'm being MASSIVELY generous with this, and he still falls way short. To be clear, Cloud is, at minimum, solar system level, based on the supernova feat, which puts Cloud at least a thousand times as powerful as Link is, and that is taking bare minimum solar system level power.

@Ike Illue Yes there is: The Triforce. And haven't I already told you about Link's multipliers?

@Sean Pazdera Well, you either don't know how strong Cloud is, or you massively over estimate how powerful Link is, because there is not a single piece of canon legend of Zelda material that puts Link, or anything else in the series for that matter, anywhere near Cloud's level.

@Ike Illue I haven't played it, but I know how strong Cloud is at his peak. I don't think you've exactly played many Legend of Zelda games either.

@Sean Pazdera Is it really wise to make such a claim, especially when you yourself have admitted to have never actually played the original Final Fantasy 7? The fact of the matter is, yes, Cloud completely dominates Link, even if you take a composite version. This is not to say that composite Link is weak, but he just doesn't stand up to the shear power Cloud is working with.