I'm reading a book about teaching Danish pronunciation (it's as bad as English) and it suggests avoiding trying to read things for as long as possible.
its funny because all of us English speakers had to learn the stupid confusing words too. Yep you are speaking the truth. You just have to know it. Before you don't know it, it is like why wtf.
@Pat4962🏳️🌈⃠ • 13 yr ago i'm agree with you arabic is so hard to learn .english is actually my third language .. my english is broken but english more easier to learn than arabic i have a hard time learning arabic at school 😭😭😭
@uhohspaghettios you don’t need to memorize the etymology of that many words. Less common words are generally pronounced how they look, and you don’t hear uncommon words in general conversation anyways
But still it is a very simple language apart from idiotic fallacies like these. As a person having learned Greek as my mother tongue, I am far more glad than u kid
As someone who had to learn English as a second language, I've learned there are two rules to get good at pronunciation: 1. Listen to so many conversations and movies that it becomes second nature 2. Never ask ANY questions 😂
@mary @Dorgesh is right. Non c'est pas une opinion c'est factuel. Ce qui relève de l'opinion en revanche c'est ta tendance à généraliser les français et l'apprentissage de sa langue en fonction de tes difficultés. En fait c'est même plus une opinion c'est carrément péremptoire. T'arrive pas à maîtriser ta langue natale et tu crois que tu maîtrises mieux l'anglais juste parce que tu te sens à l'aise ? La difficulté d'apprendre des langues ne dépend pas de la langue en elle-même mais plutôt de ta culture, éducation et de l'environnement. Tu disais plus haut que la langue romane la plus facile était l'espagnol. Pourtant je suis français aussi et la langue romane la plus facile c'est le roumain. Qui de nous deux a raison ? On est tous les deux français on devrait être bien placé pour la savoir ?! Non! Surprise, la difficulté d'appréhender une langue n'est pas fonction d'une éventuelle nationalité mais plutôt une question d'individualité. Ma copine (française), a ses deux parents du Laos et elle n'est jamais entièrement à l'aise en français alors que c'est sa langue maternelle, pourquoi ? Parce que c'est pas la langue maternelle de ses parents, qu'ils ont toujours été gêné de ne pas parler le français parfaitement (personne ne maîtrise jamais complètement sa langue natale d'ailleurs) et cette gêne s'est transmise à l'oral ce qui a influencé sa relation avec le français en grandissant avec eux. Tout simplement. Alors qu'elle parle un meilleur français que moi.
Finally someone who understands my pain. I behave exactly like this when frustrated with English. 😂 Edit: I know 4 languages and when I compare them to English. Well English makes the least sense out of all.😅😅😂😂
@AM Studios ye. Swedish text for example got a complete reformation in 1500s and was further simplified and structured a few times later. As late as 1900s. Which makes letters and sounds very consistent. Only a few french influences mess with it lol. Compared to english I find swedish makes much more sense. German is a bit looser with rules than swedish so its in the middle.
@Gachiya I absolutely agree with you, but I think Italian has less exceptions because it has been "created" recently by poets and experts, so it's structurally very sound and consistent.
@AndrewDeLong , takes years of training. So it's not easy. Look at Turkish, Spanish, Italian, Romanian, German, Finnish, even Hungarian - these are easy without caveats.
@ilghiz because the ou in English doesn’t make a double oo sound since you have to say the word count in English a long with other words that have the ou in them in English makes the ou sound since it’s an ou. The ou is how English people say outside/out.
I had an amazing tutor for my dyslexia. She taught me a thousand spelling rules that school never bothered to. But she also taught me “sight words” that I was supposed to recognize on sight because they didn’t follow the rules. Those were all sight words
I will never not be embarrassed for my then-wife laughing at me when I tried to say a couple of easy sentences in French. Payback is a bitch, Frenchie.
I actually find French phonetics to be incredibly straightforward and mostly consistent once understood. Phonetics and phonemic awareness is very important in French. That and being aware of context at all times. German phonetics is also very straightforward and consistent. Had no problem understanding the German phonetic system at all. English phonetics is a completely different story. So horribly inconsistent. It’s like French and German got together, had a kid and forgot to raise it so it self taught language.
It was heading down that path the moment it moved from Anglo Saxon Fulthorc to a Latin alphabet. It used to be entirely phonetic as the fulthorc runes were the English phonemes.
After knowing silent and different pronunciation words in French, french literally have no right to blame English if English have some silent/pronunciation words😂
" That's neither here nor there” is just an expression. Basically meant that doesn't matter, when usually it is a valid point. And it is just building upon the "here," "there," etc. joke.
What French has failed to understand is that English is five languages stacked on top of each other in a trenchcoat and thus works with multiple sets of pronunciation rules.
@Austenpoppy actually it is correct that one of the reasons why English is becoming more increasingly the universal language is because it is easier to learn and mor simple than French. If French was more simple than I we would see more and more people speaking French instead of English. But we don’t. We see English being language for majority of the population in Canada while French tried to pass laws in Quebec mainly to force people to speak French unwillingly. If French was easier more people would be choosing to speak it. But there are human right lawsuits left right and Center being brought forth in regards to Quebec’s forcing the language. If a language is easier to learn, use, speak and write in- there would be no need for forcefulness at all.
@Alex In the world a few centuries ago you mean ? If yes, French is not "an elitist language", it was the language spoken by the elites - big difference. People were allowed to speak French, but educational opportunities to learn were quite dim for most. And that would have been true of any international language back then. But your point was that English was the universal language because of its simplicity, which is incorrect.
@Austenpoppy that’s actually not correct. French was an elitist language meaning only the rich and powerful were allowed to speak French. It’s wasn’t the common language for majority of the population.
@Austenpoppy sorry you are incorrect here. English took a large huge percentage of their rules and pronunciations from French. French originally had these issues and passed it on to English. English yes does have other languages mixed in as well. But the rules around pronunciation and spelling are taken from French. If you watched his page more frequently you would see that he also Demonstrates that French makes even less sense . But since English inherited those issues from French. It’s more French’s fault than anything else.
@Alex No. The idea that English pronounciation is the fault of French when 1) French pronounciation is way more consistent, 2) English mixing words from different languages is what caused the different rules...just doesn't add up.
As someone once told me: "Ebglish basically lured all the other languages to a back alley, beat the shit out of them, and rifled through their pockets for spare grammer and loose vocabulary."
@Eric Herde the ones you don’t pronounce are always consistent when written the same. in english there is no rhyme or reason -see video. why is busy pronounced bizi? why is women pronounced wimen?
@Neekk0Maybe for the letters that are actually pronounced, but how do you know how many letters to drop off from the end of the word? In English, it’s only ever one, and even that is French’s fault.
I'm starting to feel that the only reason both of these languages are so messy are because the two countries wanted to keep trolling each other and make it hard for the other to learn their language... And at some point the escalation war got out of hand
No the reason why it's messy is because we're using a terrible alphabet that we should have dropped eons ago. There's no non-messy way to write 16+ vowels using an alphabet that has 5 or 6 vowels, that's unbelievably stupid.
The reason is French. Basically the normads (french) conquered England and brought their language. So now you have a language with words with roots in Germanic languages, old french and latin. Old french is based in Latin, but not always directly, while Latin still influenced the language. So you ended up with many words, the English or the English/french version. The words evolved and certain noises and letters vanished... And now you have a mess of language where phonetics makes limited sense
I was lucky enough to have learned English very young. When I was sixteen, I worked as a TA in my home country teaching kids English as a second language and I found it impossible to find a generalized pattern for pronunciation
@Kurokami with basically half a dozen exception for literally thousands of verbs. Once you've learnt the alphabet and the conjugations you will always know how to say something you see written and you will (almost) always know how to write something you hear.
In college two students from Vietnam were my dormitory neighbors. They were always frustrated by the English language: This is a baby cat? No, kitten. This is a glass? No, that’s a mug. So what is this? A cup. And this gold one with all the jewels on it …what is that? Oh, THAT one is a goblet. I felt worse for those poor fellas than I did when a coworker of mine threatened to quit every time the automated phone system couldn’t understand his thick Scottish accent.🤭
“English, you can’t just write half a dozen words differently and make them all sound the same!” “… *looks pointedly at French* Who do you think I learned this from?”
@Mahikan Nakiham English isn’t hard because all a person does is elimate conjugations and verbs and use the nonus and the nouns in English are straight forward. Basically English is really simple once you elimate the verbs and conjugations and go by the English rule of nouns. Different countries have different rules for nouns.
@Mahikan Nakiham : Ogden tried to simplify English while keeping it normal for native speakers, by specifying grammar restrictions and a controlled small vocabulary which makes an extensive use of paraphrasing. Most notably, Ogden allowed only 18 verbs, which he called "operators". His "General Introduction" says, "There are no 'verbs' in Basic English",[verify] with the underlying assumption that, as noun use in English is very straightforward but verb use/conjugation is not, the elimination of verbs would be a welcome simplification
@Mahikan Nakiham basically for English those learning it just elimate Verbs and conjugations and use the nouns,basic English class exist. There are no verbs and conjugations in English
@Jordi Nagel because for English all anyone new learning it has to do is elimate the verbs and conjugations and they have to use the nouns hence why English isn’t that hard and why the English character called English simple. There are basic English classes
Currently working on sight words with my 1st grader. I knew English was messed up… now I have to try and explain it to her when “why” is her favorite question fml 🤦🏽♀️ I don’t know why, I hate it too
English is so simple, yet so convoluted at the same time. And yet French has 100+ different ways of saying a verb depending on the tense and who you are addressing...
English is simple in that conjugation of verbs is easy, there is no real difference between formal and informal apart from style (you just say things differently, there aren't two sets of words like French) and we have lost gendered nouns. Also word order is basic and quite malleable, which is why Yoda makes sense even though speak correctly he does not, hmmm? What's hard about English is the vocabulary. We have many different ways of saying the same thing. (We possess myriad methods of conveying similar meaning!) Even nouns have many different variations for virtually identical objects. The English section of any bilingual dictionary is almost always larger than the other. We rely heavily on idioms and sayings to get our point across. As others have pointed out, there aren't really rules, as much a long list of exceptions! So I'd say English is easy to get started in and get your basic point across, but hard to become fluent in. Even many native speakers don't have the best command of the language - but it's the infinite variation, subtlety and nuance that it's capable of that makes it great for expression. (Not saying other languages aren't beautiful for expression - they're just different, with fewer words!)
I'd say english is very easy at the start, so as long as you have a good base it shouldn't be too bad. The problem is... it's very easy to forget too lol. As a native spanish speaker, I'd say spanish is easier because most letters are always pronounced the same way (with "c" and "g" as exceptions) and you know what syllable to accentuate just by looking at the word (unlike italian, for example, where they put a written accent only on the last syllable and for longer words you just have to know which one to accentuate). Of course, you need to memorize the rules of accentuation first. But I'd say it's easier than just memorizing how to say every word lol
My 5yr old learned to read at 3. Fortunately, he was still in a very pliable stage and when I explained that the rules are, there are no rules, he rolled with it. He just looks at new words and after seeing it 2 or 3 times remembers how it is meant to sound from being told. It's going to be much harder with my younger 2, because they're much more rule-set. 🤣
I also learned to read at 3 and struggled in first grade to understand why everyone else was so confused. Finally the teacher would just send me to the library during reading time.
You should see a Swiss and US Southerner trying to talk to each other in English 🤣😂 I would imagine a non english speaker probably wonders what language it is they are even speaking 💀
english's facial expression at 0:32 is literally "are you kidding me?? aren't you the one that has many different words that are pronounced the same???"
When I started learning English, I was confused so many times about pronunciation. Now, it works surprisingly well... These videos are making me wonder how sometimes English pronunciation works tho... 😂👌
@paradoxmo Really? Coulda, woulda, shoulda. Tech. App. And it's late so I don't feel like going on. Stuff is so background to the evolution of language that it's not even registering. But it's all the younger generation changing words. And there's always a younger generation, and they always change the words.
@Jennifer Hanses that’s not really slang, phonetic or morphological changes like dropping endings or elimination of cases are evolution of language. Slang is more of a difference in register, and is generally more additional/alternative vocabulary rather than phonetic or morphological changes.
@paradoxmo When I said slang, I was generalizing and encompassing a lot. My main thought is Old English conjugations that used to be distinctly different for all subjects (I/thou/he/she/it/we/they/ye -- and yes, I know I'm not listing the correct Old English terms, I only studied it for a year because it was a linguistics requirement). A lot of the ends were like --mmenan --menan -nan etc. And as succeeding generations became lazier and it became the cool way to say things verbs lost their endings. Word order became important when it hadn't been before in order to determine meaning, etc. Things that you would not think of as "slang" are the way the "new" generation is doing things, and it morphs language.
@Jennifer Hanses it’s not new slang that’s the issue per se, it’s that one cannot instinctively learn phonetic history very easily, so new learners simply have to memorize these homonyms that have various different meanings. Long-time speakers of the language can of course pick up patterns and figure out, for example, if a word may come from French, Greek, Latin, etc just by looking at it, and apply the correct phonetic system to it. Of course it doesn’t help that the irregular spellings are also the most commonly used words in the language.
French: why are you like this?
English: to mess with you French.
English: BECAUSE I COME FROM YOU! YOU DO THIS ALL THE TIME, GOSH DARN IT!
You're everywhere.
Revenge
French: so I should too, right?
Lord you described it to well
The key to english pronunciation is to just memorize how words sound
Exactly. English is just a bunch of other languages tag-teaming each other.
It's why language arts is important.
I'm reading a book about teaching Danish pronunciation (it's as bad as English) and it suggests avoiding trying to read things for as long as possible.
me with dyslexia: becomes french
also me at school: sleeps during class
French : "to mess with the Americans"
English: "i dont even have to try"
@priyanka sharma hehe
@Jungkook's_Banana_Milk💜 your profile name though 😂💜💜
Underrated comment🤣🤣
🤭🫣😂🤣😂💀
As someone who learn English as a second language, I've come to realize the rule for English pronunciation is to just know it.
@Kirbo English is the easiest to learn. I did so without trying. If you say it has no rules, that may be the reason why it's so easy.
@uhohspaghettios it's how Scrabble was invented
its funny because all of us English speakers had to learn the stupid confusing words too.
Yep you are speaking the truth. You just have to know it.
Before you don't know it, it is like why wtf.
@Pat4962🏳️🌈⃠ • 13 yr ago i'm agree with you arabic is so hard to learn .english is actually my third language .. my english is broken but english more easier to learn than arabic i have a hard time learning arabic at school 😭😭😭
@uhohspaghettios you don’t need to memorize the etymology of that many words. Less common words are generally pronounced how they look, and you don’t hear uncommon words in general conversation anyways
All this time I was told I was dyslexic turns out I'm just French.
lol 😂
🤣🤣🤣 I need to tell my sister 😜
This is why I’m so glad I acquired English naturally
But still it is a very simple language apart from idiotic fallacies like these. As a person having learned Greek as my mother tongue, I am far more glad than u kid
To calm down French, pat him on the shoulder and gently say "there, their, they're".
😅
Clever! 😂
😂
The most sound comment I've ever read.
As someone who had to learn English as a second language, I've learned there are two rules to get good at pronunciation:
1. Listen to so many conversations and movies that it becomes second nature
2. Never ask ANY questions 😂
English: simple, simple, simple
French: having a mental breakdown
At least French didn't ask about tear and tear
*Tier and Tear
@Elias Hasle Same, though mine is closer to "They-uh"
What about tear, tear and tare?
Waot, so which one is tear and which one is tear.
live and live
French is so cute like a cartoon character. I cannot, his expressions are so cute 😄😅😁☺️
He’s adorable ❤️😍❤️
@KK HAZE le pauvre 😅 poor boy.. poor french 🇫🇷 😅
MY BOY FRENCH HELLA FUNNY HE SAID “WHA QUOI?! POUR? HEIN? WHY?” 🤭🫣🤣😂🤣😂🤞🏾🫶🏾💯
Every language can be the hardest language if you start at the right spot
for once we accept that French is not the only hardest language
There is a difference between difficult and nonsense
I'd say Finnish, or the native American languages personally.
@mary @Dorgesh is right.
Non c'est pas une opinion c'est factuel.
Ce qui relève de l'opinion en revanche c'est ta tendance à généraliser les français et l'apprentissage de sa langue en fonction de tes difficultés. En fait c'est même plus une opinion c'est carrément péremptoire.
T'arrive pas à maîtriser ta langue natale et tu crois que tu maîtrises mieux l'anglais juste parce que tu te sens à l'aise ?
La difficulté d'apprendre des langues ne dépend pas de la langue en elle-même mais plutôt de ta culture, éducation et de l'environnement.
Tu disais plus haut que la langue romane la plus facile était l'espagnol. Pourtant je suis français aussi et la langue romane la plus facile c'est le roumain. Qui de nous deux a raison ? On est tous les deux français on devrait être bien placé pour la savoir ?! Non! Surprise, la difficulté d'appréhender une langue n'est pas fonction d'une éventuelle nationalité mais plutôt une question d'individualité.
Ma copine (française), a ses deux parents du Laos et elle n'est jamais entièrement à l'aise en français alors que c'est sa langue maternelle, pourquoi ? Parce que c'est pas la langue maternelle de ses parents, qu'ils ont toujours été gêné de ne pas parler le français parfaitement (personne ne maîtrise jamais complètement sa langue natale d'ailleurs) et cette gêne s'est transmise à l'oral ce qui a influencé sa relation avec le français en grandissant avec eux. Tout simplement. Alors qu'elle parle un meilleur français que moi.
@Z S I was talking about languages with european type letters, to get rid of the complexity of learning a new alphabet.
@Isaac Fernandes nope learn sanskrit
The more I see these shorts, the more I'm glad I somehow managed to learn English on my own for some reasons I don't even remember myself 💀
I love the implication that they are trying to learn each other's languages. It's so wholesome.
1st rule of learning English:
Don't think about it
@SOCh14 you didn't try Arabic LOL
Yes🗿🗿
Got me through middle school with straight A's (in a non-native English speaking language)
just don't think in general
@martinicc67 While that is true, half the time learning a new language just doesn't always make sense. I've learn it's best not to question it.
This french man is literally representing my childhood thoughts 😂😂
I live for the arguments between French and English 🥰
I love how English didn't even try to justify the words. He's just like, it's simple!
I love French Fries and Wagner Beer. 😎🍿🤏
I love how the French guy is confused when like 50% of the worda in French have some word or two or three pronouncesblike it
I swear french and english tried to one-up each other at making grammar non-existent.
French: English is so confusing!
English words coming partially from French:
@TheFeldhamster as an italian the spelling challenge is complete nonsense, we pronounce every word exactly how there are written.
Finally someone who understands my pain. I behave exactly like this when frustrated with English. 😂
Edit: I know 4 languages and when I compare them to English. Well English makes the least sense out of all.😅😅😂😂
English and French are becoming my favorite interactions.
French: here are the rules plus a few exceptions.
English: the rules ARE the damn exceptions.
😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
@AM Studios ye. Swedish text for example got a complete reformation in 1500s and was further simplified and structured a few times later. As late as 1900s. Which makes letters and sounds very consistent. Only a few french influences mess with it lol. Compared to english I find swedish makes much more sense. German is a bit looser with rules than swedish so its in the middle.
@AM Studios and spanish too
Actually , the french language as more exceptions than english like Bonbon instead of Bombom
@Gachiya I absolutely agree with you, but I think Italian has less exceptions because it has been "created" recently by poets and experts, so it's structurally very sound and consistent.
This might actually be my favorite quirky thing in English.
Like a certain woman said one day "English is about confidence"
Now French finally knows how it feels!
@AndrewDeLong , takes years of training. So it's not easy. Look at Turkish, Spanish, Italian, Romanian, German, Finnish, even Hungarian - these are easy without caveats.
@ilghiz Once you learn to put English words in context, the spelling is actually quite easy.
@ooldmka French here, I agree !
@ilghiz A good teacher ! The phonetic alphabet could help too
@ilghiz because the ou in English doesn’t make a double oo sound since you have to say the word count in English a long with other words that have the ou in them in English makes the ou sound since it’s an ou. The ou is how English people say outside/out.
I swear, English and French are secretly having a battle about who can make their language more complicated
I had an amazing tutor for my dyslexia. She taught me a thousand spelling rules that school never bothered to. But she also taught me “sight words” that I was supposed to recognize on sight because they didn’t follow the rules. Those were all sight words
"What's the point of writing it two different ways?"
That's one hell of a question, *French.*
@Gachiya un oeuf iz not enuff
@Darina Angelova seconde… femme… opportun… œuf… et plein d’autre :)
Nah, the rules about French reading and pronunciation are always the same.
I will never not be embarrassed for my then-wife laughing at me when I tried to say a couple of easy sentences in French.
Payback is a bitch, Frenchie.
"English isn't a hard language"
English:
I actually find French phonetics to be incredibly straightforward and mostly consistent once understood. Phonetics and phonemic awareness is very important in French. That and being aware of context at all times.
German phonetics is also very straightforward and consistent. Had no problem understanding the German phonetic system at all.
English phonetics is a completely different story. So horribly inconsistent. It’s like French and German got together, had a kid and forgot to raise it so it self taught language.
It was heading down that path the moment it moved from Anglo Saxon Fulthorc to a Latin alphabet. It used to be entirely phonetic as the fulthorc runes were the English phonemes.
Actually, that is a fairly accurate description.
Well try Sanskrit. Most perfect language ever
"So it self taught language" 😂
🤣 dude, you literally described the English language in a nutshell.
After knowing silent and different pronunciation words in French, french literally have no right to blame English if English have some silent/pronunciation words😂
The things I remind myself about my native language (English) whenever I get frustrated learning another
French: You do this only to mess with me!
English: That's neither here nor there.
@Kyron Aussies: NOITHAH
The real question is, how do you choose to pronounce neither?
Hehe
" That's neither here nor there” is just an expression. Basically meant that doesn't matter, when usually it is a valid point. And it is just building upon the "here," "there," etc. joke.
I don't get it. Can someone explain please?
What French has failed to understand is that English is five languages stacked on top of each other in a trenchcoat and thus works with multiple sets of pronunciation rules.
This is why school did not teach me how to speak English. I learned it myself
French is the last person that should be complaining
@Austenpoppy actually it is correct that one of the reasons why English is becoming more increasingly the universal language is because it is easier to learn and mor simple than French. If French was more simple than I we would see more and more people speaking French instead of English. But we don’t. We see English being language for majority of the population in Canada while French tried to pass laws in Quebec mainly to force people to speak French unwillingly. If French was easier more people would be choosing to speak it. But there are human right lawsuits left right and Center being brought forth in regards to Quebec’s forcing the language. If a language is easier to learn, use, speak and write in- there would be no need for forcefulness at all.
@Alex In the world a few centuries ago you mean ? If yes, French is not "an elitist language", it was the language spoken by the elites - big difference. People were allowed to speak French, but educational opportunities to learn were quite dim for most. And that would have been true of any international language back then.
But your point was that English was the universal language because of its simplicity, which is incorrect.
@Austenpoppy that’s actually not correct. French was an elitist language meaning only the rich and powerful were allowed to speak French. It’s wasn’t the common language for majority of the population.
@Austenpoppy sorry you are incorrect here. English took a large huge percentage of their rules and pronunciations from French. French originally had these issues and passed it on to English. English yes does have other languages mixed in as well. But the rules around pronunciation and spelling are taken from French. If you watched his page more frequently you would see that he also Demonstrates that French makes even less sense . But since English inherited those issues from French. It’s more French’s fault than anything else.
@Alex No. The idea that English pronounciation is the fault of French when 1) French pronounciation is way more consistent, 2) English mixing words from different languages is what caused the different rules...just doesn't add up.
English is my first language but I really understand how French feels 😭😭
This is what happens when you beat up languages in an alleyway to make your language. 😂
As someone once told me: "Ebglish basically lured all the other languages to a back alley, beat the shit out of them, and rifled through their pockets for spare grammer and loose vocabulary."
@rusednews3219 That's the newest update of English. Now it's Ebglish. Sometimes spelled E🅱️glish, if you want to be fancy.
Ah good ol' Ebglish. I love speaking Ebglish.
Resurvive - Great!!! Thanks for sharing.... this truth!!!! LOL!!!!!
Given the history of Great Britain, that's quite accurate actually
It truly is simple but you just gotta know it.
The difference between French and English, is that French is somewhat aware of it's confusing nature, but English is like "Nah, I'm very simple"
"Which language is more inconsistent, French or English?"
"Yes".
Oui
Gaelic: AMATEURS!
@Neekk0 Some words elide the last letter, some the last five.
@Eric Herde the ones you don’t pronounce are always consistent when written the same. in english there is no rhyme or reason -see video. why is busy pronounced bizi? why is women pronounced wimen?
@Neekk0Maybe for the letters that are actually pronounced, but how do you know how many letters to drop off from the end of the word? In English, it’s only ever one, and even that is French’s fault.
im learning french because of this guy
French: (exasperated) WHY?
English: Needed to get back at you somehow.
I'm starting to feel that the only reason both of these languages are so messy are because the two countries wanted to keep trolling each other and make it hard for the other to learn their language... And at some point the escalation war got out of hand
And then they made it everybody else's problem. XD
And gaslight us by saying the languages aren't hard to learn at all. XD
No the reason why it's messy is because we're using a terrible alphabet that we should have dropped eons ago. There's no non-messy way to write 16+ vowels using an alphabet that has 5 or 6 vowels, that's unbelievably stupid.
The reason is French. Basically the normads (french) conquered England and brought their language. So now you have a language with words with roots in Germanic languages, old french and latin. Old french is based in Latin, but not always directly, while Latin still influenced the language. So you ended up with many words, the English or the English/french version. The words evolved and certain noises and letters vanished... And now you have a mess of language where phonetics makes limited sense
@becky 22 I feel that sentence needed more consonants somehow jammed in there.
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I was lucky enough to have learned English very young. When I was sixteen, I worked as a TA in my home country teaching kids English as a second language and I found it impossible to find a generalized pattern for pronunciation
As a french,
French saying "beat" was hilarious
This makes me appreciate how well-built the Spanish language is.
@Kurokami I’m learning Spanish and the verbs are not as daunting as it looks. Once you get the hang of it
@Bailey Rutherford were have you heard that? Because I'm Spanish and I only know of 1
Bru u have 8 different versions of "we"
@Kurokami with basically half a dozen exception for literally thousands of verbs. Once you've learnt the alphabet and the conjugations you will always know how to say something you see written and you will (almost) always know how to write something you hear.
@spacewolfcub There are many myths regarding the Spanish culture, and they usually have a "king" in them. I don't know if that's true.
Those are the basics I use to mess with Spanish speaking people learning English
This is what happens when you roll multiple languages into one.
In college two students from Vietnam were my dormitory neighbors. They were always frustrated by the English language:
This is a baby cat? No, kitten.
This is a glass? No, that’s a mug. So what is this? A cup. And this gold one with all the jewels on it …what is that? Oh, THAT one is a goblet.
I felt worse for those poor fellas than I did when a coworker of mine threatened to quit every time the automated phone system couldn’t understand his thick Scottish accent.🤭
@Cassette Tape Seems like you still learnt it anyhow
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Omg 😅🙈
Omg
"And this gold one with all the jewels on it..."
Or a chalice, or a grail! 😁
damn I used to think English was one of the easier languages to learn
Easy because it does not have as many rules.
So every word operates case by case.
French’s reactions is how I approach English as a native speaker..English is hard!
“English, you can’t just write half a dozen words differently and make them all sound the same!”
“… *looks pointedly at French* Who do you think I learned this from?”
@Mahikan Nakiham English isn’t hard because all a person does is elimate conjugations and verbs and use the nonus and the nouns in English are straight forward. Basically English is really simple once you elimate the verbs and conjugations and go by the English rule of nouns. Different countries have different rules for nouns.
@Megan McKnight We were talking about _pronunciations_ though,not _grammar._
@Mahikan Nakiham : Ogden tried to simplify English while keeping it normal for native speakers, by specifying grammar restrictions and a controlled small vocabulary which makes an extensive use of paraphrasing. Most notably, Ogden allowed only 18 verbs, which he called "operators". His "General Introduction" says, "There are no 'verbs' in Basic English",[verify] with the underlying assumption that, as noun use in English is very straightforward but verb use/conjugation is not, the elimination of verbs would be a welcome simplification
@Mahikan Nakiham basically for English those learning it just elimate Verbs and conjugations and use the nouns,basic English class exist. There are no verbs and conjugations in English
@Jordi Nagel because for English all anyone new learning it has to do is elimate the verbs and conjugations and they have to use the nouns hence why English isn’t that hard and why the English character called English simple. There are basic English classes
I am forever thankful that my first languages are French and English. I don’t think I would survive trying to learn them from scratch.
as someone who has English as their native language. The way French is trying to understand the English language makes so much sense.
every single word in english has its own rules
I like to say that for every rule in English, there’s at least 3 exceptions for that rule lol
in part because of French loan words lol
Yes, yes it does
And exceptions for that rules
As a former online EFL teacher, I felt a little bad at times when the English language required more rote memorization than actual, solid rules. 😆
Getting the urge to make a language that’s just consistent english
It's simple: just memorize all the words and their spellings.
@K Of course not, and I was not serious. Learning how english has been formed is very interesting.
@qzrnuiqntp what a nasty and silly thing to say.
yeeahh, the Chinese way! you have a lot in common guys
Just be a native English speaker.
I need to see one where you question the difference between Bass and Bass.
French:Messes with his language so English is confused.
English:Messes with his languages so French is confused.
French: Why??
English: this is entirely your fault,
Currently working on sight words with my 1st grader. I knew English was messed up… now I have to try and explain it to her when “why” is her favorite question fml 🤦🏽♀️ I don’t know why, I hate it too
Oh my god I am laughed so hard rn 😂
English is literally driving French crazy lol😂
English is so simple, yet so convoluted at the same time. And yet French has 100+ different ways of saying a verb depending on the tense and who you are addressing...
English is simple in that conjugation of verbs is easy, there is no real difference between formal and informal apart from style (you just say things differently, there aren't two sets of words like French) and we have lost gendered nouns. Also word order is basic and quite malleable, which is why Yoda makes sense even though speak correctly he does not, hmmm?
What's hard about English is the vocabulary. We have many different ways of saying the same thing. (We possess myriad methods of conveying similar meaning!) Even nouns have many different variations for virtually identical objects. The English section of any bilingual dictionary is almost always larger than the other. We rely heavily on idioms and sayings to get our point across. As others have pointed out, there aren't really rules, as much a long list of exceptions!
So I'd say English is easy to get started in and get your basic point across, but hard to become fluent in. Even many native speakers don't have the best command of the language - but it's the infinite variation, subtlety and nuance that it's capable of that makes it great for expression. (Not saying other languages aren't beautiful for expression - they're just different, with fewer words!)
I'd say english is very easy at the start, so as long as you have a good base it shouldn't be too bad. The problem is... it's very easy to forget too lol.
As a native spanish speaker, I'd say spanish is easier because most letters are always pronounced the same way (with "c" and "g" as exceptions) and you know what syllable to accentuate just by looking at the word (unlike italian, for example, where they put a written accent only on the last syllable and for longer words you just have to know which one to accentuate). Of course, you need to memorize the rules of accentuation first. But I'd say it's easier than just memorizing how to say every word lol
@Ashley Hérault-Mattei fair!
Try learning Russian 💀 it’s gonna make you say French and English are the easiest languages ever 😂
@Leila uh hello. French is clearly harder! U just learned it au natural. Even objectively speaking English is a lot easier to learn.
The thing I like most about your channel is that you point out flaws in both languages 😂
English is my first language and I have French's meltdown all the time. Lol
My 5yr old learned to read at 3. Fortunately, he was still in a very pliable stage and when I explained that the rules are, there are no rules, he rolled with it. He just looks at new words and after seeing it 2 or 3 times remembers how it is meant to sound from being told. It's going to be much harder with my younger 2, because they're much more rule-set. 🤣
I also learned to read at 3 and struggled in first grade to understand why everyone else was so confused. Finally the teacher would just send me to the library during reading time.
So this is what it feels like to have your language be the “weird” one
"Why are you like this?"
"IT WAS ALL YOUR FAULT.... AND YOU TOO LATIN!"
English really pulled an Uno reverse and confused French.
I'm really glad I don't have to learn English lol. I would be terrible at it!
What makes this even funnier is that it's a french guy commenting on how hard it is to pronounce words
The look of pride on English face when he finally broke French
English is so fun to speak and easy
Also English:
Don’t sweat it dude, half of the English speaking world hasn’t learned to distinguish between there, their, & they’re. 😂
French is swivelling into madness
You should see a Swiss and US Southerner trying to talk to each other in English 🤣😂 I would imagine a non english speaker probably wonders what language it is they are even speaking 💀
Omg lol this makes me feel like I should be so much more patient with myself when learning French 😂
english's facial expression at 0:32 is literally "are you kidding me?? aren't you the one that has many different words that are pronounced the same???"
The difference is that French is (mostly) consistent. English gives zero fucks about making sense with its spelling
Probably because he gets crap from universal all the time about this stuff.
That's why this scene would make more sense if the one complaining was Italian instead of French!
This warmed my heert and will be playing in my heed all day.
I speak English too, but this actually makes a lot of sense, and now I don’t even understand with how English works anymore
As a native English speaker I can confirm I couldn't speak that part of English until I was five
Many still don't know the rules of each of those words and they are over 40
This js a perfect example of why context is important
Everyone: English is complicated.
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Someone give this guy an Oscar
French: what are you doing this for?
English: do you want to be the pot or the kettle?
If French is confused you know it’s a hard language
French do things with their words to confuse the english. The english can do it too
Actually both do it to confuse all the other languages 😂
With the opposite technique tough
can’t wait for french’s villain arc
Context is key for English cause if you don’t know the context you will most likely use the wrong version of a word
And then Universal comes and says kindly to English:
HOW ARE YOU STILL A LANGUAGE????!!!
English has gone from being humiliated about stuff like this to just gaslighting French 😂
You basically learn two languages when learning vocabulary.
French is such an adorable character! 😍
@piiinkDeluxe yeah xD ;)
@Drachenwelpe what makes you think he's dumb!? 🤨
Wtf? Why is dumb adorable?
When I started learning English, I was confused so many times about pronunciation. Now, it works surprisingly well... These videos are making me wonder how sometimes English pronunciation works tho... 😂👌
Man, if only we still had 'thorn' as a standard character
Some languages requires you to just know something. There is no pattern.
@Someone On The Internet thinks they know everything and isn’t interested in learning anything new, even when graced with the presence of an expert.
@paradoxmo Really? Coulda, woulda, shoulda. Tech. App.
And it's late so I don't feel like going on.
Stuff is so background to the evolution of language that it's not even registering. But it's all the younger generation changing words. And there's always a younger generation, and they always change the words.
@Jennifer Hanses that’s not really slang, phonetic or morphological changes like dropping endings or elimination of cases are evolution of language. Slang is more of a difference in register, and is generally more additional/alternative vocabulary rather than phonetic or morphological changes.
@paradoxmo When I said slang, I was generalizing and encompassing a lot.
My main thought is Old English conjugations that used to be distinctly different for all subjects (I/thou/he/she/it/we/they/ye -- and yes, I know I'm not listing the correct Old English terms, I only studied it for a year because it was a linguistics requirement). A lot of the ends were like --mmenan --menan -nan etc. And as succeeding generations became lazier and it became the cool way to say things verbs lost their endings. Word order became important when it hadn't been before in order to determine meaning, etc.
Things that you would not think of as "slang" are the way the "new" generation is doing things, and it morphs language.
@Jennifer Hanses it’s not new slang that’s the issue per se, it’s that one cannot instinctively learn phonetic history very easily, so new learners simply have to memorize these homonyms that have various different meanings. Long-time speakers of the language can of course pick up patterns and figure out, for example, if a word may come from French, Greek, Latin, etc just by looking at it, and apply the correct phonetic system to it.
Of course it doesn’t help that the irregular spellings are also the most commonly used words in the language.