Upgrade Windows or Get Rekt

I was surprised he didn't joke about this. They don't want any competition for all the gambling they already promote. I loved friendlyjordies and ididathing's videos about it.

And yet they are super slow on doing something about the money laundering happening in clubsnsw

Australia is a literal Nanny State, they try to Nanny everything they think they should.

oh ain't this the truth.

Anything that gets rid of lootboxes is good in my book

Which is why more people are switching to Linux (also because of Valve pushing for Linux gaming). I have noticed Windows' market share has been on the decline. In the past few months, it lost nearly 6%. Now it is under 70%. And Linux and Mac seems to have gone up some. More Linux though. If you count ChromeOS, the recognized Linux distros, and the unknown portion (which are unrecognized Linux distros). Refer to stat counter. It will show you.

I would have stayed with windows 7 if my new MB supported it. It was the best OS IMO

@D Reaper Linux.. is declining.. It's just apple and chromes going up, and it's very very very nebulous statistics because it's based on irrelevant type consumers, like people picking up macs for their apple ecosystem with 0 intent to use any desktop productivity or games. Linux is downtrending too. ChromeOS are hardly even operating systems. They're basically just bigger netflix dedicated tablets. When it comes to games, you need only hear developer citations where it's always like 90/9/1 splits of consumerbases. And the notable exceptions are not steam products. Fortnite, Minecraft, League.

@Carebu No. Windows is declining. Like I said, it lost 6% in the past 3 months according to stat counter. And ChromeOS is Linux. And the reason why Windows is declining is because of Valve pushing for Linux gaming.
Chrome OS is over 3%, known Linux distros are under 3%. and the unknown portion (which are Linux distros that are unrecognized) are over 7%. That all makes Linux about 13% in total.
BTW, none of the games I play are Steam related at all. So you are wrong. And FYI, Minecraft and League work on Linux. Just not crap like Fortnite.

@D Reaper both are declining, actually. Desktops keep getting more and more superflous to people.

This was a triumph

A huge success

It's hard to overstate my satisfaction

We do what we must because we can.

Yep his snide attitude isn't really fair - as if Windows 10 and 11 are such perfect, flawless systems!

8.1 at least let you go to desktop and have a menu, which 8 honestly should've done to begin with.
10 is literally 8.1 with a proper Start Menu, more bloat, and tons of spyware. It's infuriating that people get charged money for 10

I love Windows 10 💔

@Caleb Allen I love windows 11's window management but still miss stuff from 10. Unplugging my laptop only to have all my windows on the one screen when I plug it back in... No issue on 11

@JamesTK hmm that's cool! I'd love LTT to do a follow up video on Windows 11 a year or so on.
I still haven't made the jump yet, and on my laptop I love Linux so I have 3 options for my gaming desktop, stay on 10, move to 11 or move to Linux.

@JamesTK would you recommend 11?

No.

Like the guy above said, no.

The beautiful thing is that you're both wrong.

... apple has a bigger one... and you can't turn it off.

@Greyson although i guess you could consider cellphone providers as the first invasive mesh network from the early triangulation days.

@EpiicPenguin More pathes on grandpas head not the same as having one mesh/one company to trap the word

I think it's an understatement

Borderline "terrorism against humanity" group chat

I'll definitely be referring to it as that from now on 😂

@Galafador i honestly don't understand how the people on there don't observe themselves, and when they do, it's usually chronic gymnastics to keep the image they already have of themselves

and that's why pretty much no one will comply

They'll all pretend to comply.

Washington Naval treaties all over again....

which works out to like a decade in AI learning time 😆😆

@Toltalchaos more than that. Even the weakest computers today make a billion calculations per second (1 Ghz )

That's nice!

I just got a Steam Deck if that counts.

@Robert Aitchison It does! Load up desktop mode to play around with if you're feeling adventurous.

​@Robert Aitchison absolutely does
Honestly my excitement for the Steamdeck made me try out Linux on my main desktop and my laptop before my Steamdeck was even ready to order last year, haven't felt the need to switch back to windows since except to convert a couple files then swap back XD
Long live the FOSS/GNU/Linux community!

@Robert Aitchison boom bam you're a Linux gamer !

I switched about 2-1/2 years ago. I'm an early adopter when systems are good (2000, XP, and 7) but I couldn't switch to 10 for the longest time because they removed Windows Media Center. Microsoft in typical Microsoft fashion woefully misunderstood what WMC was used for, thinking incorrectly everyone was just using it to play videos. They forgot it was the only program that could record encrypted digital cable TV via a Cable Card due to the DRM. Now that Cable Card has been killed off by a combination of the Cable Companies hiding their existence and not talking about them unless explicitly asked and not properly training their techs and customer service to activate them, that's not the barrier it used to be. Windows 10 is okay but sometimes I still miss good ol' Windows 7.

@L Q You can still do that lol, you just need to enable compatibility mode in the Win 10 settings for Win 7 applications. Very simple with a youtube video :)

It really was. Honestly, amazing features, free games with ZERO ads, stuff worked without needing to install patches, it was great while it lasted

Windows 7 was the last OS Microsoft made. The amalgamations of bloatware and spyware now forced upon us hardly fit the parameters of an Operating System.

​@Josh Vennix they all copy Linux anyways tbh, Windows 12 will probably have tabs in file manager and it'll be touted as revolutionary

Excuse me, what? why?

lollllll

@Fried Potato because Windows 7 looks and runs way better

Just switch to Linux at that point. At least then you won't be on an OS that hasn't received a security update in years.

Totally, the news itself is also doesn't disappoint tho. Being at ease with the dystopian world we live in has never been easier.
P.S. I genuinely appreciate being at ease with the news rather than being freak out by it

I want to know if it's been using access points belonging to people who DON'T own any of their devices and thus can't opt out at all. If it's using next doors router when yours dies for some reason, how the hell are they aware of this and how can they stop it? Assuming it even is. This is Amazon, I totally expect them to be using it regardless of permission.

Good thing those that don't want that don't get IoT garbage. Washing machines, blinds, fridges, freezers, lamps. Internet in these items are unnecessary and are no doubt a way to get more control over your home. Many other device types too, a juice presser that connects online so it can force you to pay monthly for recipes or whatever it was.
IoT is signing over a device to the company. We don't feel like you should be able to use the TV today, so we shut it off.
What do people even use an Amazon Alexa for? So they don't have to spend 5 seconds looking something up? Walk 5 meters to shut the blinds? Stand still and reach their hand out to turn the lamp on?
That seems to be what the advertisement for the Alexa has been, extreme laziness.

@TalesOfWar Like Google I doubt opting out actually does what it says. They probably uses it somehow anyway. Like a chip that's always active in the device even when it's supposedly off, tracking, spying, whatever.

Why do people even buy those IoT garbage?

Lock out all new devices by mac address management... personal routers support this, the isp ones idk if theres a backend in the fine print that allows for this anyway...

Thank you

I have windows 7 on my phone

I ran it on my laptop until very recently, no issues. Windows 11, on the other hand, has been BSOD city so far. Win10 remains rock solid, so I will probably roll back.

@Dallas Herrmann see… there comes plenty of issues when you try to skip a bunch of updates… then try to install the latest.
I’ve never had this issue. 😅

@Dallas HerrmannNot a single bsod on 2 win 11 machines

They better

They indeed plan on making SteamOS available to use on ordinary PCs. It came up during the early days of the SteamDeck. No date on when that's going to happen though. Probably "sometime" in Valve time.

Re-Releasing SteamOS for desktop, you mean, considering "Steam Machines" were a thing before the Deck and SteamOS wasn't arch based back then.

I thought SteamOS 3 has a desktop mode running KDE... and you can use it on desktop already? It is based on Arch after all

gotta love that preinstalled disney, spotify, candy crush (not to mention shortcuts to things like tiktok!)

explain... 🤡

@Andrei Vaughn just uninstall it??

​@Andrei Vaughn Build your own PC, save money, get completely clean windows installed.

@Gundalf The Lost Dude, I do deployments at a company - the latest 22H2 from Microsoft's Media Creation Tool (the most legit way to install the latest Windows) will literally come with this crap - do you suggest I get my .iso install files from dodgy places that claim to have "cleaned it up" beforehand? Or are you suggesting LTSC options, because I am pretty sure they use different licensing!

Same

Thats not what that's for.

I wish I understood all that technical jargon.

I wish you would elaborate further and please DO mention the things you mentioned; or at least list resources going into more depth.

All that effort just to hang onto your nostalgia

​@keppyNo, it was a better OS.

Replace "Chrome" with "Chromium" and you're correct.

Smart ngl

Six of one, half dozen of the other. It's hard to maintain a million bots if you have to pay for each one. I can see a complaint about charging human users. But it will definitely reduce bots.

@John Undefined But doesn't this just make the moat wider?
'The moat' is a thing highly wealthy people talk about. It's the difference that allows you to succeed while others fail. It's basically the erection of barriers to entry so others have to work way harder than you do to achieve your level of success. We shouldn't encourage that behavior... They should do things that universally undermine bots, not allow bots if you are successful enough to afford it.

@ブブ
"They should do things that universally undermine bots, not allow bots if you are successful enough to afford it."
A lovely sentiment. Unfortunately, no one has figured out how to do it.

Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me

You can pirate older games and run them on a VM if there's compatibility issues. Valve dropped support for XP and Vista over four years ago and nobody seemed to care.

You don't need forced steam bloatware to run those games, you just need to know where to find "linux isos" or a patch for the games to make them run without steam which comes with the added bonus of owning your games instead of leasing them and being locked down so they can be taken back without a refund or you could be denied access to your existing library as soon as they dictate what operating system you have to have at any moment.

No it isn't lmao

All these replies completely missed the point of the comment lmao
I imagine if you try to launch Steam on Windows 7 after support is dropped, it just wont update or connect to the internet anymore. I'm sure you can still play in offline mode.

There are still security patches for w7 current day and that will continue to a minimum of Jan 2025 and most likely beyond that (dependent on demand) :)

Perhaps consider Linux? It will free you from the shackles of Windows.

@Bryan Montes Suarez and then expose you to a host of new problems that are about as tedious to fix.
t. Linux user for 6 years

I'd still be using Win7 if my Ryzen 3700x architecture would work on it. I tried so many workarounds but couldn't get it to run.
MS does have quite a challenge. They make something that works well, so how the heck do they get users to switch?
By randomly moving everything everywhere to get people to talk about it of course! Oh, & also adding a couple new features that of course couldn't just be integrated into the old OS.
And eventually stop patching the old one to make it almost mandatory to stop using the old one.

@Shuroii name one issue relevant to modern linux

This. A million times this.
I never changed from Windows 7 either. I do not have the patience to waste all my time troubleshooting the other stupid OSes. Win7 just works. The others just make me waste all my time to solve problems they created all by themselves.

Linux just works without needing to wrestle with it. You just need to learn a few differences, break a few old habits, and away you go. When I installed Linux Mint on my mom's Windows 8 laptop her immediate response was "Linux is so much easier than Windows!" A lot has changed since the old days. Have you tried it recently? If not, give Linux Mint or ZorinOS a try.

Thing is win 10 is just vista with new UI (Both are using NT kernel), Even 11 is 10 with fancy UI. If it’s setup correctly everything should work like 7 does.
I’d say clean windows 10 install and installing necessary drivers & api (vcredist 2008-2015), dx11, netfx 3.5 should work.
As so many software use visual c++, older direct x or even win7’s net fx 3.5. You’ll get problems like missing dll files.
Also it’s suggestion that you fully update win 10, ms store apps and every driver
(Else it will keep slowing ssd in background until) and then turn off telemetry and diagnostics data. (Ignore if you use ms store apps or freq. update)

Yeah, it *should* work but since its release updates have broken the system over and over again. Just this January an update made chkdsk break SSDs.
Win10 made me stop getting attached to my OS or put time and effort into "making it mine" because it could be gone any day and in a year I'll have to upgrade to Win12 anyway. I just want the simplicity and intuitivity back and the ads and forced bs gone. Anything after Win7 doesn't feel like it belongs on a PC.

A lot of them run fine with Proton on Linux.

Just throw some community crafted files into the game directory

@Mackenzie Bullied Why? You bought the game for windows 7, and if you don't need a newer OS why should you be forced to buy it?! And then proceed to install various 3rd party stuff?! You are part of the problem with your thinking.
All the clients that bought games from steam and are on win7 are virtually victims of fraud. They bought those games and now are being restricted out of their purchases.
Steam and all the other platforms should offer local installer files to any of their buyers.
And if you have win7 system and don't want to upgrade to enjoy your games without the stupid platform, you should be able to do so.

@Tommy B i absolutely agree, however this isn't la-la land and that will never fucken happen. So i won't act like it will. We can yell and scream all we want but valve isn't reversing this decision. but this even even a situation where you're permanently locked out of your games, there's so many ways out of this issue and that's the reason why a lot of us are pc gamers anyways right? For when the official path of gaming becomes unavailable...were the unaffected platform. Ever heard of emulating de-listed console games? This is even easier to get around. Stop being a la-la-lander and just do what you have to do for yourself to be unaffected and move on

Hear hear! So very true; too bad the peanut gallery grew up in an age of Consoles and sandboxed OS.
Dark Age of Information. Remember the quotes from Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri?

i'm pretty sure input latency has to do with the hardware because i haven't had any issues with my computer yet i've experienced systems that had over a second of input lag.

@White mage it's affected by both hardware and software 🙄

@Deniz how is windows 7 faster in latency compared with windows 10?

​@White mage runs much leaner, does not run an audio stack that affects the performance of games (unlike win10), and ever since win8, a thing called memory manager is running memory compression by default. It is essentially glorified ram expander from the 90s. It gave unreal engine games a very hard time at first until they managed to patch workarounds. It works much better these days Ill admit. Been doing remote help desk tech support for residential and retail consumers for over a decade so i've been in literally thousands of personal systems and win10 is only recently approaching a decent level of reliability and performance compared to win7. I have zero hope for 11.compared

The problem with that is the modern features are built around the bloat, removing it could cause unwanted side effects.

@Jeffrey Tackett I'm using a modded version of windows 11 with all the bloat stripped out. The modern features don't need the bloat to run.

@Naomi Kitsune Microsoft didn’t release a version with the bloat removed, and you can’t be 100% sure that it won’t break in the future. You are right that 90% of the people using Windows 11 wouldn’t need to use anything that might use the bloat, but with all the software out there, it’s possible that it will break something.

@Jeffrey Tackett Of course microsoft didn't release a version with the bloat removed, it's a modded version where a 3rd party removed the bloat. I've been using their releases for a few years now and they generally run better than stock from my experience.
After years of usage I think the only issue is windows features that try to open a page on ms edge because it's not installed, but that's generally a non-issue

It's called Linux

This was a triumph

Works fine

Probably not just for Chrome. CS2 is coming out and I’m assuming they are going to upgrade the anti cheat as well. Just like Valorant, requiring secure boot / TPM to battle cheaper based cheats.

The Steam app uses chrome to display its storefront, that’s why it looks identical when viewed through a browser and in steam, it’s not just used when you open up the integrated web browser from within steam.

@Cheetah i fkn hate tpm. i turned it off in bios. nobody is stopping me from accessing my own pc if something goes wrong. whats on those drives is still mine and i want access to it no matter what happens.

@Cheetah That's a downgrade then

It would actually be 1st cause most people will not have the specs to run win 10 without any performance issues cause alot of us still have old systems especially for 2nd and 3rd world cpintries which is majority of the world. Alot of caes here im my city still run win 7 cause the games would lag alot cause of win 10 bloat

no fun allowed

Same thing with Nest. They bought Nest and ruined it

Exercise is fun if you do it right, you don't need a watch bro

How many AI pictures you already scrolled by without even noticing, they where made by AI?

There were plenty of cases with photoshopped photos in magazines that were missing bellybutton or with additional hands that passed to print and most of readers didn't notice.

Actually, I thought it looked fake straight from the start. The shading of the jacket was just way too exaggerated, it looked like a weird 3D model.

Plus there a high chance that he have such a coat. Who know if he want to visit a very cold country.

He got the drip 🥶

I switched to Linux some time ago. Last Windows I daily drove was 7. After mom's laptop broke I got her a new one and installed Windows 10 (she was using windows 7 on her old laptop so I thought it would be easier for her). I was flabbergasted at the amount of work required during setup and to get the hardware running in comparison to Linux. Windows didn't change much from the 90's in that regard while Linux evolved into almost seamless experience in comparison (if you pick supported hardware).

That's my game plan. If I hadn't gotten my hands on a free key of 10 I probably would have skipped it in favor of Linux.

Honestly, given how riddled with security holes the newer OSes are, there really is *no* security benefit to using them over 7
The main issue is companies not supporting 7 for their products.

I might go over what doesn't exist on Linux or works too differently on it, if Windows 12 ends up being terrible like 11.
Do programs I always use not have a Linux version? Do they have Linux versions, but files from Windows won't work with them, so I have to start over?
Also the registry, what is the registry equivalent. I already have USBs with Linux on them, but they're too slow and incompatible to properly test anything on so I might install Linux on a spare SSD just to see what the experience is like. I have my old monitor and know of a place with very cheap and garbage stationaries, so maybe in a few years I'll grab one of those and get to real-time comparing the two experiences.
Probably stationaries from the many offices that seldom change hardware, so new batches of crappy stationaries or even the ones from today will still be there for sale.

I suspect one of the most underutilized CPU features is virtualization even though it's been paid for.

if the market switched to linux game developers would have no choice but to leave windows.. however the userbase is too lazy to change the status quo, so here we are, eternally stuck with a malware operating system until people start doing something about it and switching.

This is why I ran Ultimate. Actual control over updates.
Home, for some reason, is awful here. Pro/Ultimate assumes at least marginal competence.

Try installing Linux. I was in a similar situation and Linux honestly breathed new life into my device. Not to mention Linux gaming is legitimately better than it's ever been thanks to Proton.

@Sylveon Enjoyer Been using Garuda Linux on my laptop since two years ago, there hasn't been anything i missed, my only problem has been EGS online games, but i rarely play online.

@Sylveon Enjoyer Linux is helpful, but it's not necessarily going to play everything a Windows 7 machine would. That's why the "just get Linux" bit is kinda irksome.
Valve makes more than enough money off it's customers to not leave them hanging like that.

@InfernosReaper My point wasn't "just get Linux", rather, "Now that we're here, might as well get Linux." Also, this person wasn't using Windows 7 for archival, they were using it because it was all they could run, so I imagine that's not much of a concern.

Who told you it would make everything worse? Windows 10 is pretty old by now, it has a lot of optimizations. 4gb is also the min for windows 10. It would have ran it fine, probably better than windows 7. I had a lot of older systems like that, I even have a pentium 4 system running windows 11 as an experiment. It's not as bad as you might think.

Have you tried any abandonware games? I have some old favorites that I still like to dig up every now and again.
No One Lives Forever 1 & 2 come to mind immediately.

​@Daniel Cobia Good question, I will look into that. Also a damn shame that those games are stuck in some legal bullshit hell.

@Daniel Cobia So: using the files from Nolf Revival and the Flatpak version of Bottles, I could install and launch Nolf 1. The menu was laggy as hell, but the game run at a pretty stable 60ish FPS according it's inner counter. Maybe that's not accurate because of the emulation, but it was noticebly better than the menu. I started the first cutscene, skipped it after a few seconds, got control back, then quit.

@Daniel Cobia around Windows 7 release I had easier time playing my Win98 games on Linux than on the 7

@cchutney Agreed, it's incredibly frustrating because, I can't remember exactly who tried but, there was a team that wanted to pick it up and do a remake/refresh of the games like ROTT. They got blocked because of the crap soup of "who actually owns what" garbage that none of the studios that supposedly owned the rights wanted to put any effort into even looking at what they even owned the rights to. But still put in a cease and desist letter to them anyway |-(
That was super decent of you, thank you for checking that out! What Linux flavor are you using?

GLaDOS is always the pinnacle of comedy.

You won't believe how many Win7 PCs I meet at work... Still connected to internet and all, used for critical jobs as well.

@lululock I can confirm, we have a lot of Windows 7 pc's that are connected to the internet, some even serve as support PCs for critical Windows XP machines (that aren't allowed to go online luckily)

People acting like 7 has some critical vulnerability that will self destruct a PC the second it goes online is hilarious. Real cybersecurity experts coming out of the woodwork in the comments

@Anze G There are 47 pages of CVEs on windows 7 look it up (81 are unpatched remote code executions which allow anyone to completely control the machine. Thats one of the reasons the log4J exploit was huge). There hasn't been a security update since 2020, 3 years worth of security vulnerabilities exist now...

​@lululock There are still DOS machines doing critical work 😂

I did the same three years ago and never looked back.

Which games only work on win7?

Wait, what games do you play?

Which games? Had installed a 15 yo game a month ago on my pc just for some nostalgia and all I had to do was to check compatibility with windows 7

@DaClutchMuchBastid Well, win7 and prior.
Old titles, such c&c General, Zero hour. It's often because of Direct x graphic incompatibilities.
And no, compatibility mode does not fix issue. 😢

@Ale Some oldies. 😉 or used to. A couple of been re-released this year, but the rest I've just abandoned and now stick to Steam games. I used to run a duo-boot od, but can't be bothered now.

It's not just Steam. Some ridiculous programs still refuse to support Linux. Yes, refuse. Not can't. They also run like hot garbage on Windows 10. I unfortunately need them.

That was always the plan for me. I revived an old laptop just so I can try out Linux on it before I moved my main machine over.
Windows 7 had been nothing but good to me, and I don't really need or want any of the new "features" that forces everything to be always online in order to work.

Most games don't have a physical copy anymore

​@streaker03 That's the problem. It is a new world. A world in which I have to download 50 to 80 GB of files per game.
I have limited internet.
There is a speed limit, about 850 KB/s and per month, 200 GB.
Luckily TV signals via radiowaves still exist but how long will that last? Companies don't like giving away free stuff. In the 1950s, it was ok and giving ads was part of the plan. Now, they want to give ads and make you pay.

just upgrade windows? 🤡

@button I don't run Windows anymore but Steam no longer supporting old Windows is probably a problem for people who want to run classic games.

@button Downgrade you mean. Because win10 and 11 sure as hell aren't upgrades.

AAA is a joke now.

the difference being, a AAA title will, inevitably, get beaten into at least some functionality on Linux, no mater how many hoops the user has to jump through to play it.
A niche little indie game, with 100,000 people who ever heard of it? maybe less? Good luck with that.

​@mitsota101 what's funny is that a lot of indie games have some Linux functionality if not a dedicated Linux build, though they don't always test them and they actually just straight up don't work like 10% of the time which is frustrating

Ah sadly yes ☕

Give steamos some credit here

?

@dracossaint steamos is just linux, it's the proton layer and things like that which are special

Bell better IMO

I don't think they'll break win7 games without at least providing a workaround, but we'll see

@J M if Steam doesn't throw their customers a bone, piracy will

The die hard Windows 7 community will find a way to run Steam and/or games. For example, there's a way to prevent Steam from auto-updating itself (signing in from older clients could stop at anytime, due to the technical changes over time at the backend). I seriously don't know how many Windows 7-only games are out there. There definitely can't be that many.

Problem is that Steam will stop allowing you to log in after about a week offline and will tell you you have to get online in order to log in. At least, that was my experience a year or so ago.

LMAO

Up to you. Deal with MS's constant BS, or make the effort to switch. I ditched Windows when I was last on Windows 7 back in 2016. Because after seeing how 8 and then 10 turned out, I knew things were only going to become worse. BTW, Windows market share has dropped by 6% in the past 3 months according to stat counter. So, others have already considered it and switched.