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You have to specify which alcohol you are talking about. The experiment you did was with isopropyl alcohol, not with ethanol! If you try this with ethanol, the salt will precipitate instead. Ethanol is more polar than isopropyl and will not separate from water thar easily.
Thanks for mentioning this. I was wondering if this could be done as a pre-distillation step for food-grade spirits. That way you could use an fairly fast and crude distillation to get to fairly high concentrations. Someone mentioned that Epsom salts (magnesium sulfate) would work for ethanol. Is this true? The bad taste wouldn't be an issue if the resulting high proof ethanol was then run through a quick distillation. The salts would be left behind.
Holy hell, the guy says "alcohol" with no qualifiers to mean "isopropyl alcohol"? Damn, Action Lab's inaccuracies strike again, I obviously thought he was referring to ethanol and found this super weird
You can salt out ethanol alcohol by using Epsom salts (magnesium sulfate). But it tastes vile afterwards due to a small amount of salt that does mix with alcohol.
@jadedandbitter I haven't done the experiment with methanol, but since it is even more polar than ethanol, I expect that it will also precipitate the salt.
@Throefly not what I was asking, clearly.
This is a somewhat lesser known practice in chemistry, it's commonly used for "drying" organic solvents from any water present. Though people would normally use something like molecular sieves or anhydrous chemical salts
Liked the clip and this comment. Depends on the chemical sorts of liquids. I was used to using lime for many of my drying. Makes Ca(0H) quite often... back in the day. And if it doesn't mess with your product, a pretty good deal. And you can toss the calcium hydroxide in the microwave to get back to the CaO.
@GermanScience Labor I agree with what @tripplefives is saying. The original post on this thread never said this was the same as molecular sieves etc. it stated that it is a process that causes a "drying" of a liquid, but people more commonly would use a molecular sieve or something similar for a similar result.
I wouldn't say it's "lesser known" - I did this daily working as a chemist.
@tripplefives What does that have to do with any of the comments above?? With all respect I think you're the one missing the point. Wether this is drying or not was never the question. So thanks for answering questions no one asked, and thanks for instantly trying to insult me (poor job btw) as soon as I disagree, that says everything about you...
@tripplefives So? In he comment he mentioned molekular sieves, and salting out (what you describe, and what's shown in the video) is something different. With molsieves you are not seperaring layers...
I can see this being marketed as "non alcoholic, alcoholic drinks" lol
@ZakkandtheJ talking about joules m8
@RAGHAV Contact poison control or a hospital.
I ate Lead 2+ salt by mistake in my chemistry lab .. i need help what should i do ? I ate like 2 grains of sand .. that was 2 dot like maybe ...
@ZakkandtheJ I mean, salt also provides electrolytes so why not
Can you do a followup video to address some of the comments below, such as how well this works with other alcohols (not good with ethanol in my experience), and talk about the concentrations this process is applicable with and what losses are involved? Thanks! I really enjoy your channel!
@KE0KOY yeah but if it separates mostly it can serve to be re diluted in an otherwise hydrating solution in controlled parts. Just let it settle upside down and make a ghetto separation apparatus with some kinda paper or card or something. Lol
@Revlouch Nope, not my intention. There will still be salt in the alcohol afterwards. This works for isoprorpyl well because its less polar, but when the side chain of the alcohol gets smaller, the more polar it becomes. If you started with absolutely dry ethanol, it would still dissolve half a gram NaCl per liter, but what separates in the case of ethanol/water mixtures will contain some water and will hold more salt (and the saltwater layer will also still contain some ethanol). KCl might work better as its solubility is about half that of NaCl in ethanol, but its not worth the hassle and expense for drinking purposes. Distillation can get you to 96% ethanol, and thats strong enough to be deadly, so... And for those who are curious, if you are ever in prison and think that you can steal enough salt shakers from the chow hall to separate some 4% hooch, I'm here to tell you from experience that it will never separate (hence my comment on concentrations and losses)... In the joint, you are better off burning some popcorn right before lockdown and use your hotpot with a cup in the middle and the lid upsidedown full of cold water/ice to distill it one shot at a time.
Tell me you trying to get hammered without telling me you just wanna get hammered? Lol
I once tried to make limoncello in Ireland but I couldn't find 95% alcohol in the stores (which you can buy in grocery stores in Italy). Apparently in ROI the maximum legal alcohol is 40% or something like that. Had I known this trick....
@Pedro Franca your best bet would be to get yourself to an emergency room Pronto if you've been sippin on isopropyl alcohol. also have the attending physicians check deep inside your ears to see if they can see through to the other side. this would indicate the root of the problem.
According to some pther comment, he used isopropyl alcohol, and this doesn't work for ethanol. I also find it koronic he just said "alcohol" as if people wouldn't imagine he meant ethanol
@jadedandbitter only if you fill out a form to explain what you are using it for and most fine wine and good spirit state stores won't order it even with the form locations
@Cerberous+1 yes you can, 190 proof is legal in PA
@Liam they're worried you might Embalm your brainstem & optic nerve trying to do birthday shots
Very helpful, thanks 👍🏻I'm currently training as a chemical laboratory assistant, I was given the task of separating them at school and didn't know the answer
So, what does this tell me about that one friend, that swears a tiny spoon of salt saves him from a hangover? 😂
Just take one or 2 grams of vitanin C before you start drinking and another when you wake up. Don't worry about taking too much vit. C. Not dangerous at all.
@lylavati Burner disease?It is possible to eat more salt than only a spoonfull per day and not die and not suffering from high bloodpressure.How?Himalayasalt or ocean salt.Or just salt without cyanide compounds.Thumb rule, stay away from table salt.But do not take my words for fact, do your own non biased research for fact checks.
I'd say that's not salt that he's got on that tiny spoon.
He's... Not wrong. Hangovers are primarily due to a combination of dehydration and electrolyte loss because alcohol is a non-hydrating diuretic, meaning it makes you urinate, removing water and electrolytes from your body. Drinking a lot of alcohol also makes most people sweat profusely, further depleting electrolytes. Salt is an electrolyte and helps your body uptake water.
Alcohol dehydrates the bodySalt makes the body hold in more waterSalty water = drinking a bit less unsalty water so you don't get a hangoverDehydration = Hangover headacheIf he drinks a 12-pack of beer and goes straight to bed he's gonna have an awful headache. If he drank twice as much water with the beer and ate dense food with the beer he'll probably be ok.
This is AMAZING! Thank you for sharing. I love practical insights like this.
keeping science aside and the efforts you put to demonstrate the experiment is insane🤯
Fun fact, you can do this much easier with Isopropyl alcohol. When I did this in college during some backyard chemistry separations, I added much less salt.
You know where this might have relevance is seperating oil contaminated snow, ice or water. In States where it's a concern, they use a combination of heat and gravity to try to extract oil contamination, but this salt distillation process might work even better provided sufficient salt is available.
Yeah, I bet they hadn't thought of that.
Heat and gravity sounds like a more efficient process. You would need to use immense amounts of salt and then dispose of the saltwater as a waste product.
This channel never ceases to amaze me
Awesome video, so cool to see the layers form! Almost missed this one because the thumbnail looks like a bad ad
How pure is the alcohol after adding salt, and is there any salt at all in the alcohol?
What maximum concentration is achievable with this method?
For those days when you want to hit your favorite alcoholic drink before sobering up later on.
so does this mean you can turn 70% into 91%?
is this similar to when a hypertonic solution draws out the water of something?
But this only works with Isopropyl or Methanol alcohol?!? (Or I'm wrong?) As far as I know, it is not possible to separate ethanol from water with the help of salt.I mention this because the video thumbnail shows drinks that contain ethanol...
@winnerandloser Some chemistry papers mention it. I have not done it personally.
@user255 wow really? have you done it?
Salting out ethanol and methanol can be done, but not with NaCl. K2CO3 should work.
afaik this only works on isopropyl alcohol .. ethanol or methanol cannot be separated this way.
So basically, just siphon off the top and you've got the ultimate vodka shot?
It might still taste salty, give it a try
@Egehan Yılmaz moonshine
well, it is no longer called "vodka" since you seperate the water
This will really bring my prison hooch business to the next level, thanks!
I have a quick question. What are the effects of ammonium carbonate when inhaled?
This was hella cool. Definitely not to be missed-able…
If people don't stop using the term hella I'm going to puke!
I wonder if this can be used to reduce the energy needed in the distillation process - especially if the salt could be reused
@Neirenoir If feel like this would add a lot more labour to a process that would likely be mostly contained. Generally increased energy use would be preferable to increased labour when it comes to large scale processes.
@jimmy joe maybe that's true for methanol but I highly doubt it you sound like a nutjob. Anyway that's definitely not possible for ethanol as after 95.6% the mix has a lower boiling point than pure ethanol.
@arya Yep, NASCAR they are hiding the information how easy it really is to vacuum distill to 99.9999%. I have seen it; it looks different when you pour it into 98.65% It will be hidden under, Methanol Fuel blends. The where trying to find the best fuel for NASCAR. And at the Time that was pure Methanol. It burns fast for high horsepower. And colder to keep engines running higher longer without burning up.
@jimmy joe nascar?
@Neirenoir All you have to do is sublimit water, how hard is that? 3-7 gallons of water latter and 24-36 hours a day working to boil water. Cut it, split it, stick it in a stove. Eh, birch syrup is the most labor-intensive thing I have ever done.
One of the few time my chemistry knowledge comes in handy
purify to what percentage? is it higher than the percentage you put in before adding the water?
Why do the white ones sink if they float in alcohol? Surely they should stay on top?
Yet another awesome video👍
I knew how it was going to work but it's still cool to watch.
Sir, I still feel I don't get 'why the beads act like this? 'Would you explain please? 🙏
maybe it's helpful to put numbers on it. remember that things float in a liquid that is denser than they are.let's say that, before mixing, the salt water solution is 120% the density of water, and the alcohol is 80%. If they are combined in equal volumes then the mixture has a combined density of 100% the density of waterLets say the white beads have a density of 90% and the blue bead of 110%. When the liquid is mixed then the white bead will float to the top as (90 is less than 100), and blue will sink (110 is more than 100)as the alcohol and salt water separate, the salt water at the bottom becomes 120% and the alcohol at the top 80%. The white 90% beads sink in the 80% solution and the blue 110% beads float int the 120% solutionOne thing that made this a bit confusing was that the guy in the video descried the white beads as floating in alcohol - i guess he meant sinking in alcohol (but floating in the alcohol/salt mixture) otherwise it doesn't quite make sense :)
The blue and white beads have different density.
blue dye vs no dye makes the blue heavier thus they ever so slightly place themselves on water while the white place under alcohol.
Why do the white & blue separate, or did I miss something?
They both float on water and sink in alcohol so they come together when the liquids separate. However, the blue ones are slightly heavier than the two liquids mixed and the white ones are slightly lighter, so when shaken, they separate.
They're likely made out of two different kinds of plastic which would make one want to go to the alcohol layer and the other want to go to the water layer
This worked for me once with equate isopropyl alcohol but I couldn’t get it to work with Win Co isopropyl alcohol, I’m not sure why but very cool experiment
Really clever 🙂
Awesome channel. Thanks!!
Great! I needed a way to sort plastic beads.
You just earned a subscription 😂
Good demo of liquid-liquid extraction.
wow l love it, very interesting
how potent can this make alcohol?
If you want a product for consumption, don't use rubbing alcohol. It has orally-toxic additives which are difficult to separate, mixed in with it. It's "denatured".
You can't do this with alcohol meant for drinking. You have to use something like rubbing alcohol that has been distilled to the point of purity. You might get a few more proof out of a beer if you added a crap ton of salt to it but it really wouldn't be worth it.
Ok next challenge, extract alcohol from petrol (gasoline) , then do this process to get 'pure' alcohol (quotations are because you'll not get 100%)
28gr of salt per 125ml of water!..Well I guess I could use water from the Dead Sea then at 370gr per liter.
This is how inmates in prison get alcohol from hand sanitizer. I doubt it settles the other contaminates (fragrances and other Ingredients) but people will drink it anyways. Crazy lol.
I always loving alcohol
28g per 125ml of water...so you need to add an amount of salt equivalent to 22.4% the weight of the water? Yeah that's quite a bit salt.
well that's enough Action for today 🙃
Now I can turn E-85 into hooch in two steps.
That's actually much easier, though much less safe. Just add water.
You're the best in the biz, Dale.
So, how does the alcohol *taste* after this?
Is this like when you add salt to sanitizer to make the gel separate, as in jail hooch?
@Ryanrulesok I will share with my inmates
@Ryanrulesok cool tip
Yes it takes the alcohol in the sanitizer out of solution to get "jail hooch"
How pure can you get the alcohol this way?
Wait can I do this to distill without a license???
Pretty cool, but I‘d rather add molecular sieves.
What is the concentration of the alcohol and is it salty
Can you go above 96% with this method?
So, what's the composition either side of the phase boundary? You're gonna have salt, water and alcohol on either side, but what are the concentrations?
You need a Mcabe Thiele diagram
Yoo wtf I bought a distiller keg, didn't know I just needed salt
It would work better if you dry the salt in a oven, you would need a little less salt
Seeing this now I know you made no attempt to help during covid when sanitizer was in short supply. Good on ya mate 😒
I see... so if I'm hungover I should drink salt water!
same if you go running, get a sports drink, it has salt in it. Not the caffeinated energy drinks tho, those will do the opposite.
Must try this out too. Want to convert 37% cheap vodka into 95% alcohol.
Is the alcohol salty though?
Ok. The bead trick tossed my brains salad. I'm showing the kids!
If we separated them from each other could it be put in a fuel tank.. sorry a gas tank of a vehicle and run it?
This channel is too cool.
It's quite misleading to say simply "alcohol" and then use isopropyl alcohol instead of ethanol. I an even see it as IPA is much more viscous.
So what did we learn today people? No matter what Chocolate milk is just as good as strawberry milk.
no wat u mean it's better if not the best
So I can do this to vodka and decant the more concentrated stuff on the top?
Heyy, steve mould did a video on this too!You guys should check it out, worth the watch
HrmmmmClear high proof rum separated using filtered and reduced sea water?Could be really gross, but worth a test
Thats very fascinating thank you
@Theodore Sarras no lmao that actually makes sense, thx for clarifying 😅
@Hazza Styles is that irony?
@Theodore Sarras ohhhh yea that makes sense
I saw that because he upload the comment 36 seconds after the video was uploaded
@Theodore Sarras you can see them or something?
So, you can get cheap medical grade hooch with hand sanitizer and road salt. Or mouthwash and road salt. That's interesting 🤔There's a drug store on the ground floor of my apartment building. I want to try this for myself. For the sake of science 😂
POV soon you won't have any POV cause you'll be blinded by pure alcohol
@Religion is a poison 🩸 shut up 🤦🏻♂️
@Comikaxe Qtkk pov you're spelling bad
POV your underage
After it sepreates is tue alcohol salty?
How might this work onA corn liquor mash ?
funfact a pinch of salt can reduce the bitterness of coffee
This is really cool
Just what i needed
Is it drinkable tho? How much NaCl dissolves in the alcohol?
Is the alcohol clean or does it have some salt dissolved in it?
@user255 & @Olmost Gudinaf My confusion came from the the fact that when I think of NaCl, I always think of Sodium Chloride Solution (saltwater) for medicinal purpose (injection, cleaning of mucous membranes,...), not the table salt itself.
@Svend Kaffke _"How much salt is in NaCl?'_All of it. Kitchen salt *is* NaCl.
@Svend Kaffke Alcohol is category, which includes ethanol, methanol, isopropanol and so on. Salt is common name for NaCl and in chemistry it is category of some ionic compounds, including NaCl (IE table salt), CaCl2, K2CO3, etc. Your question doesn't make sense.
@user255 he said you need around 28g of salt for 125ml of water. how much salt is in NaCl?Edit: user255a few posts below mentioned this: Salting out ethanol and methanol can be done, but not with NaCl. K2CO3 should work.
so i can use just one bottle to keep wine and soup
My liver also purifies alcohol.
RIP this guy liver
Dude! I think it acts the other way around.
hmmmmm why isnt this used to extract alcohol, because of the energy required to boil away the water and reuse the salt?
How about solar dehydrators, practical salt cultivation
Skimming from the top to make drinks that are even more alcoholic
This is why you add salt to alcohol for cleaning a bong.
Or how to separate out the water lol I'm not drinking the alcohol
Can I use this trick to refine cheap vodka?
Ah yes, same method as The NileRed do.
does this work on ipa as well? Like making 70% into 99%?
@SexyEarHair What hipster crap?As far as I know, IPA can be one of 2 things: 1) isopropyl alcohol or 2) India pale ale. The latter coming from the British empire era, a beer strong enough to survive the long journey by ship to India as well as the hot climate. None of the two has anything to do with hipsters. Is there a third meaning?
@That Guy not everywhere
Yes. Although you can just buy 99 percent.
it works even better - isopropyl alcohol is less miscible with water
Okay. But can you drink this?
Noticed this while cleaning my bong lmaoooo
now i can get stronger alcohol to get watsed,! thank you man! omg,,, partyyyyyyyy!!!!!
How to make your friends drink something gross using science.
whats the difference between those beads?
Does this work with rubbing alcohol?
@He-Man bruh alcohol is overrated unless you Molotov it or something. It is pretty good as a cleaning agent.
Yes. However, it will only separate the rubbing alcohol out, and will not produce drinkable ethanol (which is a different kind of alcohol).
Hey Lab! Can I make the alcoholic drink of Mine a lot stronger with this trick?
All the hobbyist brewers in the comments: Woo! Time to make some strong stuff!
Ignoring that you weren't being serious: Probably can work, but freeze distillation is probably still easier and better. Also in places where distillation (or respective equipment) is banned, freeze distillation gets around that, as it's not actually distillation at all, people just call it that because it gets the point across. It's technically called "fractional freezing". Nonetheless, it makes booze more booze-y and is ez pz, which is a win all around! Edit: watch for methanol though. Don't want to go blind and all.
You just ruined perfectly good alcohol