The Open Forum Episode 43

*Timestamps:*
00:00 - Intro
00:58 - EF Dawah Panel join
04:30 - *Mahesh (Agnostic) joins*
05:25 - Discussion on Objective Morality
24:10 - *Karl (Revert) joins:* Islamic view of Music
28:48 - Advice to Reverts about practising Islam
39:17 - Brother Karl shares his Revert Story
43:10 - *Frank (Christian) joins*
44:02 - Solomon pbuh in the Bible vs the Qur'an
46:10 - Unreliability of the Bible
52:01 - Review of the discussion with Frank
53:57 - *Desi (Ex-Muslim) joins*
54:59 - Evidence for the existence of God
58:19 - The Miraculous Nature of the Qur'an
1:02:24 - Analysing the nature of Necessary existence
1:13:47 - Discussion on the existence of Necessary Being
1:17:50 - Issues with Desi's arguments & Atheism
1:27:53 - Problems with Desi's beliefs
1:41:32 - *Rob (Christian) joins* & shares his contentions
1:48:48 - Issues with Rob's Contentions
1:53:27 - Rob's claim of Qur'an copying from previous texts
1:56:46 - Refuting Rob's claim
2:02:05 - Rob's argument against the Qur'an
2:05:53 - Debunking Rob's argument
2:10:36 - Discussion on the Islamic belief about previous prophets
2:24:32 - Scrutinizing Rob's unorthodox beliefs
2:42:56 - Historicity of Abraham pbuh being put in the furnace
2:52:31 - Problems with Rob's Claims
3:05:09 - *Robin (Christian) joins:* Creation of Universe in Six Days in the Qur'an
3:16:36 - *Amy (Atheist) joins:* Discussion on Religion & Atheism
3:45:35 - Response to Rob's Arguments
3:50:05 - Closing Remarks
MashaAllah 💖🤍❤️
*Brilliant Stream* 👍🏻👌🏻
_May Allah ﷻ bless you all and reward you for your efforts._ 🤲🏻

Absolutely love and so happy for brother Karl for his enthusiasm is something absolutely warm about it and gives me goosebumps and Eeman boost Masha Allah. Welcome to the ummah my brother Allahu Akbar

May Allah bless brother Karl, it's so nice to his sincerity and eagerness towards the deen. May Allah make it easy for him!

Dr Imran's heart broke when Bro Abbas said he'll get him in to speak with Frank!😹😹

MA sha Allah - great panel. I must say that amongst the guests there were more wafflers but brothers did their best. May Allah swt reward you all. Brother Erfan you gave great advice to Karl. Jazak Allahu khairan. Ramadhan mubarek to all my brothers and sisters.

This was one of the best open forum streams “ running around in circles it just makes you dizzy “

Dr Imrans a legend, my imaan gets a boost every time I listen to Dr Imran ❤

I've been Muslim for 16 years and probably for a good half or more I was reciting Al fatiha in English . And actually you get more reward the more difficult to you have even when it comes to speaking Arabic for praying 100% properly. You just keep trying to learn and improve in shaa Allah

Karl Smith even though I was born as a Muslim I still fall short .... so your not alone lol you have inspired me..... whenever I see new Muslim 😢

ALHAMDULILLAH ❤️ LOVE YOU GUYS JUST ONLY FOR SAKE OF ALLAH 💛 KEEP GOING BROTHERS WITH RIGHT INTENTIONS 💛 JAJAKALLA KHIRAN 💚

Selam aleikum brother Karl , may Allah give us success in this life and much more in the hereafter 🤲🏻

May Allāh reward you immensely for your effort brothers. May we benefit from your effort and may it bring non-Muslims closer to the truth.

Dr Imrans reaction when given first dibs at frank😂. Thanks a lot Abbas🤦🏻‍♂️

Robin is like a dog with a bone he is not going to give up until he thinks he's won his point😂

May Allah guide n bless this brother.

May Allah Accept your works, and make it a means of acceptance and Guidance for the Ummah!

Brother Karl Smith and all new reverts, no need to be nervous/anxious.
You all do have my support, our support.
If any muslims say something to you not quite in a good way, they're just ignorat about you. Just explain them that you're new revert, inshaa Allah all will be fine.
Hopefully we all give our best to be good muslims. Together.
.

Jazak'llah brother☝️

I think Mahesh and Frank should get together and go bowling. I would have to add Fahad to the team.

During an interview with Angelika Neuwirth, the distinguished Professor of Qur’anic studies, she argued that the Qur’an has never been successfully challenged by anyone, past or present:
"No one has succeeded, this is right…I really think that the Qur’an has even brought Western researchers embarrassment, who were not able to clarify how suddenly in an environment where there were not any appreciable written text, appeared the Qur’an with its richness of ideas and its magnificent wordings."

Social Darwinism was literally taught all across Europe in the most prestigious universities.

I truly hope if Amy and everyone else would take sometime to think and reflect on Chapter 27 (Surat An-Namel) verse 84 ... may Allah open their hearts, minds, and eyes to the truth ... Amen

جزاكم الله خيرا

May Allah bless you all brothers and grand you the Ferdaws.

I am here for Karl Smith, may Allah SWT be upon him always.

I like that Karl Smith brother. A revert to Islam & already he's looking to perfect himself to become a better muslim. What a guy! Subhan-allah

Rob, what a calm, eloquent and incoherent waffler!

JazakAllah'u khairan

Appreciate all your work brothers but isn't it weird how everyone is always ill after taking the jabby (which Dr Imran and Abbas actually promoted for some strange reason). Would love to hear their opinion?

Yesss, rob confirmed the saying of many Muslims,, 10 Christians will present you 10 different belief of Christianity..

I thought the atheist Fahad was confusing but my God, Rob is literally Lost

The brothers patience is amazing! SubhanaAllah. Rob was hard to listen to.

Rob is lonely and just wanted to be part of anything out there.

SubhanAllah this stream needed a lot of patience .. hamza would torn these waffles a new one 😅

Damn Karl Smith ......Mad respect and love

Dr. Imran was on fire. very respectful, but firm and not letting the guests waffle.
The way he dismantled Desi Munda was just amazing.
Desi Munda's intellectual level was even lower than the guy in his display picture.
Imagine being dumber than altaf hussain... thats Fahad aka Desi Munda.

Alhamdullilah Karl Smith... May Allah Subahanahu Wa Ta'ala keep you and muslim straight to the path of truth.

Dr imran mashallah ♥... with Amy was just amazing....

جزاک اللہ خیرا

Rob successfully put me to sleep

Which Hamza's stream brother Karl took his shahada on? Anyone knows? Thanks. Welcome to Islam brother Karl may Allah bless you abundantly & make it easy & successful for you ameen. Wish you & all a blessed Ramadan.

hahahaha look at imrans face here its priceless .. it just says it all hahaha 43:52

Brother carl made me cry😢

All sins are forgiven for those who accept Islam.
Qur'an 8:38. Say to those who have disbelieved [that] if they cease, what has previously occurred will be forgiven for them.
‘Amr ibn al-‘As reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Do you not know that embracing Islam wipes away all sins committed before it, that emigration wipes away what came before it, and the Hajj pilgrimage wipes away what came before it?”
Sahih Muslim 121

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
جزاكم الله خيرا.
Request that this video get a reaction explained in detail

I've listened to Desi Mundi's interaction with Imran again. I'm going to reiterate why Desi couldn't get Imran's point. Imran stated that believing in God is self evident much like the fact that we exist or that we are conscious, at least to the majority of people. What Imran was asking was what evidence could you present to make one doubt God, his own existence or consciousness. For Desi to undermine self evident truths, he needs to present evidence or good argument why one should not hold to self evident truths. Desi thought the burden of proof was wrongly put on him - It wasnt. Desi kept insisting that Imran has the burden of proof to prove God. Self evident truths do not need proof as that's the very definition of self evident. The only option would be solipsism, but then you would have to doubt reality itself and the concept of truth.

Every Christian has his own Christianity …… they are against each other …. It’s really difficult to discuss with them

To the Brothers
When Fahad ( DESIMUNDA ) asked
"How long of time was universe not in existence for ? "
This question that He poses is FLAWED. Because "The Universe" IS Time AND Space! You can't ask about ONE without the OTHER. You can NOT exclude Space from the Time and ask about them separately because the two things are a PART of the WHOLE "Universe". One can NOT exist without the other.
Also "TIME" is a Relative concept. And the "TIME" that he is asking about does NOT exist UNTIL the Universe BEGINS to Exist. Before The Universe BEGAN to exist Time is a Different CONCEPT just like we are going to Live in Jannah or Jahannam FOREVER. Whatever Forever means. This concept is just an IMAGE of what we can assume based on our finite understanding of TIME today.
Salam.

Sam will wipe the floor with these people

Welcome to Islam, bro Karl

Justice
Ibrahim grew up in the land of Babylon in Iraq in the past, in a pagan environment in which what was worshiped instead of God was common , so one section worshiped idols and another part worshiped planets. It was said that they were all worshiping the planets, but they symbolized them with idols and statues that they were approachin

Rob (Sentinel Apologetics) is a different breed son said Adam evolved from a common ancestor 😂😂😂

Anas reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Feed the hungry, spread peace, speak kind words, and pray at night when people are sleeping. You will enter Paradise in peace.”
Musnad al-Bazzar 2497

@mahesh is suffering from the dunning-kruger effect. He really thinks he's so profound and making great point.

Jesus (pbuh) was once asked "Who taught you?" He said "No one. I perceived the ignorance of the ignorant man, and avoided it."

It seems like a lot of the Hindu callers and secular Indians seem to have very simple understandings of any topic they bring up, and pretend to know the topic, and also pretend to know what words mean in English and constantly use them incorrectly.

Allah has promised the Paradise for the believers.
Qur’an 42:30-32. 30. Indeed, those who have said, “Our Lord is Allah ” and then on a right course - the angels will descend upon them, [saying], “Do not fear and do not grieve but receive good tidings of Paradise, which you were promised.
31. We [angels] were your allies in worldly life and [are so] in the Hereafter. And you will have therein whatever your souls desire, and you will have therein whatever you request [or wish]
32. As accommodation from a [Lord who is] Forgiving and Merciful.”

amy the kind of person that believe everything that shown on tv

2:43:42 imagine believing a man with limited resources from historical events and not believing a text from God who knows everything

❤❤❤🌹🌹🌹

‘Ubadah ibn al-Samit reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Whoever testifies that there is no God but Allah alone without any partners, that Muhammad is His servant and His messenger, that Jesus is the servant of Allah and His messenger, His word which He bestowed upon Mary and a spirit from Him, and that Paradise is the truth and Hellfire is the truth, then Allah will admit him into Paradise by whatever good deeds he had done.”
Sahih al-Bukhari 3435, Sahih Muslim 28
.

I have re watched the segment with Rob. Honestly it's just such a strange approach. It's as though he thinks we have full objectively true access to EVERYTHING in history which is patently rubbish. He makes all sorts of assumptions and conjectures and imposes it on the Qur'an. He thinks you need to prove everything historically and if you can't it automatically means it's false. When he himself can't prove it's false. The waffle makes it worse.

They found writings from Abraham’s time? Hahahahaha

*_Rob tries to unload a lot of crap and gets exposed. Nazam thinks Rob is right. LoL_*

Frank is using a Marvel comic to explain World War 2. 🙄

Qur'an 9:72. Allah has promised the believing men and believing women gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they abide eternally, and pleasant dwellings in gardens of perpetual residence; but approval from Allah is greater. It is that which is the great attainment.

Mahesh, Farad and Frank are just trolls trying to take up and waste time so people can’t learn. Farad is clesrly just wasting time coming up with no argument trying to set a philosophical finger trap that everyone has to dance around. Have to stop giving them time unless you can verify their positions and point before coming on. Farad is literally just setting traps and watching you all dance around it. It’s a huge waste of time and he is doing it on purpose.

Abbas, you are not yourself when you do not have your Snacks.🤣😂🤣

I really thought Rob was an atheist, he must be in the past. He has the weirdest believe I've ever heard. Is that believe common among Christians? any Christian here.

That Desi Mooda had comprehension issues IMEO.

In The Outline of History, professor H.G. Wells wrote regarding a major proof of the prophethood of the Prophet Muhammad
“Because those who knew Muhammad best believed in him the most… Muhammad was no impostor at any rate…there can be no denying that Islam possesses many fine and noble attributes… They created a society more free from widespread cruelty and social oppression than any society had ever been in the world before.”

Nazam, bro, you need to speak up. You have the knowledge, you need to have to confidence to put your point across firmly.
Sometimes it's OK to interrupt is people are talking nonsense.
If you stay silent throughout most of the engagements, no point being there.
You are so knowledgeable, be more assertive bro.

Mahesh needs to be banned. He's not here willing to learn or listen. He just talks to talk.

You killed us with Rob, plz next time end this early, really disappointing.

Rest in peace Islam...I thank all panel members for making it happen by creating this and running this channel.

There is no original sin. Adam and Eve prayed for forgiveness and God forgave them.
Qur'an 2:37. Then Adam received from his Lord [some] words, and He accepted his repentance. Indeed, it is He who is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful.
The prayer for forgiveness by Adam and Eve.
Qur'an 7:23. “Our Lord, we have wronged ourselves, and if You do not forgive us and have mercy upon us, we will surely be among the losers.”
.

2,31,19 below my mind 😅

Im a Muslim but explaining their narritive by nothing comes from nothing story of creation and yet God comes from "nothing" should be addressed more profoundly for our atheist brothers and sisters rather than just leaving it at that mere story of creation/God's existence

1:05:00 I'll give you an example of the sun..... it sets in a murky pool, bring one verse like it, nope, you can't can you?

Mahesh doesn't understand the meaning of subjective and objective I think. He needs to open the dictionary.

Maximum cringe levels reached while listening to Amy. He redefines density.

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is closer to Jesus than anyone else.
Prophet Mohammad said, “I am the closest of the people to Jesus the son of Mary in this life and in the Hereafter.” It was said, “How is that, O Messenger of Allah?” The Prophet said, “The prophets are like brothers from one father with different mothers. They have one religion and there was no other prophet between us.”
Sahih Muslim 2365

It says Rob is from "sentinel apologetics" and thus a Christian, so why does he argue like an uncertain atheist when it comes to Islam? In other words he even throws out what he already believes to be true such as existence of God and the existence of scripture in order to question Islam. It seems somewhat disengenuous nevermind the fact that he tries to be very wishy washy with his arguments rather than simply making a point and presenting the evidence.

Rob stay off the Angel dust pal 😅

I thought Music was haram in Islam...
I gues Islam is in the process of revolution...
Every Knee shall bow, every tongue shall confess that Jesus is LORD, to the GLORY OF GOD our Father..
Praise to YOU, LORD JESUS CHRIST...
Well done Rob.. Keep on preaching the WORD...

I think the way Br. Abbas dismissed the sister without wanting to even let her complete her sentence was impolite, not to say the least rude. You are able to tolerate so much rubbish from Rob for hours but acted so impolitely against the sister who just wanted to ask a question for seconds. As Muslims, we must try to imitate the good charaters of hour humble Prophet, espeially the ways and manners He respected women.

Name of nasheed in intro?

Pathetic from Abbass. He didnt want to get Nazam incolved because he came late. Nazam spoke little to Rob who Nazam invited the show and was impressed with the only dualogue he had with nazam.
Abbass ' the expert' is really annoying and once he finishes a point he often digs a hole for others to get him out off.
One may notice how Dr Imran often tried to interject him as he realsed Abbass was making nonsensical points but his motor mouth still went on and on.

I need to know who Desi Munda is. He broke both Efan and Imran. Clear bullying to dismiss him.

Dr IMRAN seriously lost the plot as he couldn’t prove anything and started blaming Desi Munda …blatant use of straw man arguments by dr IMRAN… very sad

Mahesh just isn’t as clever as he thinks. Groundhog Day! He has decided what he wants to believe. It was a good decision to limit his time. Fahad is just another Mahesh.

The Aussies in the stream are really tarnishing the reputation.

You should have asked Rob that let's say that at the time of Abraham a.s. his nation, population had not a tradition or law on burning humans as a punishment, could not they tried the burning punishment to Abraham a.s.?! How to do you know that there was only one sort of punishment and no other one or new idea of punishment??!!

Block the Calvin Kleine advert. It has nudity.

Abbas don’t allow Rob to come on next time please

Frank the double standard man..
Frank cant even defend his biblesss can't even prove the biblesss to be God's words,

3:19:23 faketember 11 , are you serious?

Frank and Rob same coin different faces poor guys they are desperately trying to pull the Quran to their flawed standard and they are failing miserably😅

why are they trying to reason with someone that is incapable of reason ??/

The open forum standby music sounds very churchian don’t you think..