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Israel, Russia, China, Iran: The World in Conflict | Walter Russell Mead | EP 326
- Published on May 30, 2023 veröffentlicht
- Dr Jordan B Peterson and Walter Russell Mead cross continents in a broad discussion over world affairs. They go in-depth on the state of China’s totalitarian regime, Vladimir Putin's plans for the war with Ukraine, the growing unrest under Iran’s iron fist, the ongoing conflict between Israel and Palestine, and how a push for American optimism is necessary to best face these emboldened challengers on the world stage.
Walter Russell Mead is a writer, professor, and academic, focusing his efforts on international policy and affairs. He is the James Clarke Chace Professor of Foreign Affairs and Humanities at Bard College and taught American foreign policy at Yale University. Mead has worked as a columnist for publications such as The Wall Street Journal and was editor at large for The American Interest. His books include “Mortal Splendor,” “Special Providence,” “Power, Terror, Peace and War,” “God and Gold,” and most recently “The Arc of a Covenant.”
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(0:00) Coming up
(2:48) A basic framework of world politics
(6:10) China, wealth without morality
(9:35) Challenging Anglo-American dominance
(11:15) Crazy 80 percent of the time
(15:30) China is falling behind
(19:00) Biden, messaging, and Taiwan
(20:25) Xi Jinping, another Mao
(24:00) Tightening uniformity of power
(26:45) Losing faith in Chinese manufacturing
(31:25) Economic liberalization, political dark age
(33:30) Marxism: capitalism is exploitation
(36:00) Admiration of inequality
(39:00) Vladimir Putin is not a Communist
(44:30) Intrinsic worth and quasi-fascism
(47:00) Ukraine, goal of the war
(51:35) Normalcy in war, changing landscapes
(55:30) The nature of Iran’s current regime
(1:00:00) Iran and Israel, the Persian Gulf
(1:02:30) Circumventing Palestine
(1:06:55) Mark Twain, God-forsaken land
(1:09:00) The Palestinian claim
(1:13:20) When the facts are open to question
(1:14:40) Christian Evangelism and the Zionist movement
(1:16:35) Demographics of modern Israel
(1:20:15) Stalin and Jewish independence
(1:24:19) Netanyahu: goals and outcomes
(1:27:14) Defense budgets, technology, and arms races
(1:29:25) The Tower of Babel, Globalism vs. Localism
(1:31:18) The Abraham Accords
(1:33:00) Oil profits will not last
(1:35:55) Democrats and Saudi Arabia
(1:41:20) Why America is soft on Iran
(1:43:48) The reason for optimism
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Good for you.
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Very interesting discussion! Thank you, Jordan and Walter for bringing a rational perspective on a history of hate and religious turmoil. Would love to hear more from you both on this topic in the future.
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What an amazing conversation doctor peterson. Great guest as well. Been listening to your advice for years. I’m so glad that youre doing well these days, enjoying the conversations that you want to have, and not some purposively prepared conversation to put you in a bad light. Please keep up the great work!
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Prophesy... all the key players have been part of this conversation..... turkey Iran Russia China and of course Israel..... isn't that amazing?
don’t get too excited yet. People have been standing on hilltops, cliffs, and mountains for 2000 years as “the time has come” but no man knows. We are to occupy.’
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I was reading the great turnaround stories here, shared by young men who'd been encouraged by Jordan Peterson and are grateful.
I just want to point out to them that their own stories are very inspiring and their example for successful living today is passing on Jordan's words to other young men. You're all a light ✨️ now in your family and community. So much respect 🙏 to you all.
It's not about some kind of exclusivity of the Anglo-American culture, they just realized before everyone else that it is impossible to defeat Freedom, rights and democracy
@Джевелин Хаймарсов Or the Greeks did. e.g. Democracy.😁👍👋
I’m a woman and is a big fan of your contents. I also know quite a few women who loves your contents as well. We are out here and love your work! You have saved us from chaos and have helped us mentally and intellectually. I hope people realize that JP’s audiences are not just “angry white men” like the media tries to claim.
@steveXracer you’re assuming she’s white, I’m an Asian woman who watches JP. why leave a mean comment? You’re the one watching the video…
I am a woman too and a very big fan of Dr.Peterson 👍
Hello, thank you for all your podcasts. I like to say something about Iran, Iran has been made from different parts, Arab, kourd, baluch and etc. Although, all of them are United under one name, and they are proud of it. There is a book called "Shahnameh." This book is old and has many great stories. This book saved Persian language, and it is a reason that when Arab attacked Iran around 6B.C. and governed Iran for 200 years, we still talk Persian. This book isn't a religious book, but people still practice it.
Good point. Iran is an ancient and experienced country. It will survive US bullying and strive. Unfortunately, Prof Peterson is ill informed and his guest is just spewing prejudices, not a balanced analysis. The US is innocent, Iran is evil - and "they need an enemy", Peterson chips in, rather unhelpfully... He really needs to read up on the topic.
@Rose-Marie Mukarutabana Couldn’t have said it any better. Disappointed to see Mr Peterson become an agent for Angloo-Zzionist militarism.
I guess they offered him a big payday after their other web “intellectual”, Sam Harris embarrassed himself with his rank stupidity
@Truth violates community guidelines An unwitting agent, I think, though he has little excuse for his ignorance in these matters. He should document himself more widely, and speak only when he has looked at these matters more thoroughly.
Sir, you are a shining light to me personally, by helping me see through the fog of our world. You are such a wise man, with the most pure way of helping us through your message. Thank you so much Sir.
Two very wise, thoughtful and objective men having a very interesting discussion. If we had more men like these two the world would be a better place
Now I have to watch again with a notepad so I can write down the enormous amount of information that these two just taught me. I was a political science major…never had a better lesson on foreign affairs than what these two guys just laid down for us.
Just thinking that
Please watch some Michael Parenti instead
He actually has terrible takes in politics, so I recommend you to research on your own
@Enver Ziel i haven't watched the whole video but the guy is a clinical psychologist. is he trying to pass himself off as an expert in geopolitics now? cause he probably knows as much as i do. I'm baffled by this new direction of his.
As always, thanks for this insightful & informative dialogue. Jordan its great that you are allowing the guest to finish their thoughts more and more throughout your podcasts. Said gently and in an encouraging way :)
I recently lost my father. I kept hearing Dr. Peterson’s voice , saying a good goal is to be strong at your fathers funeral. It meant so much to me. Thank You!
Search Quran 2nd chapter’s page 2 and study what should you do when you lose money, property, or someone beloved . Only saying you should be strong at father funeral is not enough.
You'll see him again in heaven. It's all gonna be okay.
Not just strong, but useful. Someone others can rely on. That speech of his really impacted me too. And yep I got to play out in real life. Yehovah bless Dr. Peterson and our Dads.
Just nice to see this, I hope both of these men continue to do their work for a long time to come.
What an amazing discussion between two great intellectual minds. Thanks for this deep evaluation of the multiple areas of considerations. Definitely loved this episode & look forward buying a few of the professors books. Bravo gentlemen. 🇺🇸🇨🇦🇮🇱
Thank you Dr Peterson for all you are doing. I spent over two decades lost in drug addiction. The lack of a strong male role model among other problems greatly affected me. I'm now forty two , have a wife and newborn daughter who I love with all my heart. Have a good job and am rebuilding my credit and financial status. My heart overflows with gratitude as I write this
Absolutely Loved the conversation and the dissection of the geopolitical implications from the philosophical point of view❤
Damn. This might be my favourite interview segment JP has ever done. Incredible guest.
When I was 20, the only persons I respected were dead. Now with 40, I do have an actual living human on my list: Jordan Peterson. Thanks for that, man. ❤
As a lover of history this was magnificent to hear! :)
Fascinating and informative discussion. Jordan Peterson continues to amaze me with depth of knowledge of all disciplines, truly a Renaissance Man.
Great Conversation by two brilliant people, thank you Jordan and Walter
This is an absolutely stunning exchange. Thank you Dr. Peterson
It is so important to be a student of foreign policy. Straight away you are dispossessed of wide eyed gullibility, understand conflict, appreciate what you have (if you live in a democracy), and learn to see the other side of an argument.
Jordan, you are not alone in your battle against the Ontario College of Psychologists. Your supporters are with you. You also have truth and justice on your side. These are powerful allies. While your opponents are tyrants, remain calm and humble. List and subpoena your opponents as adverse witnesses. As you cross examine your opponents, ask your questions. They are good questions that need to be asked. It’s time to put this woke agenda on trial.
@Gala Jordan Peterson is a wise and perceptive man. I haven’t noticed a change in his message or attitude. Jordan Peterson is telling the truth as he sees it. If Jordan has changed, there is a good reason for the change.
Is there any way that Jordan's supporters
could crowd fund his legal expenses?
Your a inspiration to everyone who will listen truthfully !!! Praying for you and your family !!!! You have come under attack for the truth that is absolute !!! Keep it up sir !!! God Bless you !!!
Thank you for saving my life Dr Peterson.
Had ups and down along the way but you’ve been keeping me stable and sane for years.
God bless you
very nice and informative interview, it makes me want to read MR. Walter Mead's Book, and Mr. Peterson asked very good questions!
May the legacy of jordan Peterson continue on. never die! and one of the top best videos ever! keep going on
Historically, he'll certainly have his place in the books. Not during our generation, but later on in a time when responsibility has made a comeback.
See you in the future!
Wow. Fantastic discussion. Thank you for providing this content!
This was so informative. Walter's knowledge both historically and currently is beyond amazing. That wholesome moment when Walter asks if they can call each other by their first names was also great.
you love to see it
Thank you gentlemen for this excursion into history. It was educational and interesting.
Wonderfully insightful, wide-ranging, illuminating and detailed discussion.
God this was incredible thank you to you both!!
Walter is really impressive, and seems really knowledgeable and honest. Thank you so much!
Thank you Jordan for a most informative and enlightening discussion with Walter on what the world faces today regardless of where one might reside.
The inclusion of history, known facts, disputed facts and the balanced articulated views by you both was truly outstanding.
The Aglo American Accords and the adoption over time throughout the world has proved time and again that working together clearly improves the economic state and general standard of living.
Perhaps we can turn to that song by the Beatles for a little inspiration...
Come Together, right now, over me 🎼🎹 One thing I can tell you is you got to be free 🎹🎼
I was living in another side of the world and found this man sensible in a very uniquie way. I was living in the philipines and english is my second language. I just recently got interested on your unimagineable way of thought process.The way you teach is so impactful not only to me but also to others. I should have to always turn on the subtitle for me to much more appreciate your vast knowledge on a bunch of topic.Indeed, the way you explain things is mind blowing. I learned a lot and thankful for the words that will help me to figure out what I wanted to be in my life. I see you as an outstanding public figure who truly meant what you says. I should say you're beyond genuis.
Wow you’re pretty good at English, respect
Could you tell us more about the siege of Marawi? Mby jordan peterson will also tell his opinion on that matter aswell.
@seth .m Not quite. English is being taught at school and I just got recently enhance my english speaking skills while I was working in a BPO industry but I takes a lot of practice.There are times that I was being surprised when an English speaker( American or other English speaking countries) talks on me. Sometimes I just need to figure out of what was being asked and formulate a specific response to any given question. But when it comes in grammar, I was having a litlle bit of hard time figuring it out on how it works. time.Thanks anyway.
@Ivan K Marawi siege happened a long time ago. Where many civilian people were being hostage and some got killed. If my memory serves it correctly. There were rebels which associated themselves as ISIS and they siege a specific place as it was being reported on TV news. It takes a long period of time before it was settled by army and other some powerful groups of the country. According to the news (not quite sure if it was true though) The mastermind was a member of ISIS from a different country. I think after the war they settled a peace to talk to resolve the issue. Of course casualties can't be avoided on this matter. Many civilians lost their houses, livelihood, a place to stay and loved ones. This was one of the most terible event that happened and was not being resolved in a short period of time by the authorities. I dunno what the administration doing on those times.
What an enriching conversation - I really enjoyed it and learned a lot. Thank you
@KingTairun if that's what you got from this conversation then ok
Another fascinating conversation, thank you.
Thank you Jordan for talking about this because I have been astonished at the fact that no one of very few people seem to understand the severity and the absolute chaos and destruction that is so close we are on the brink of it and no one in semen to do anything about peace talks
Glad you, can see that. All the players r in place, nothing anyone can do to change what must take place but Russia & Iran will ultimately, be the losers.
Amazing quality conversation. Thank you!
Please know we support you and appreciate your work. It is essential to our mental health that you KEEP GOING. Sending you waves of Love, and Light - also Thank You (I shared this via Twitter)
You are a gift to humankind Mr JP...we all salute you🙌
Both my son's , 21 & 26 just saw you in NZ...you blew their minds.
From a mum ...thanks!
Good luck 😃
@Clip-Share music knowledge and experience are quite different measures
Prophet Muhammad was the called mercy for the whole mankind. Go and search his lifestyle and teachings you will know who is the gift for mankind.
Be broad minded don’t say that No I cant touch because he was muslim.
Thank you so much amazing hysterical fact from a very insightful and knowledgeable man a conversation everyone should hear ❤
That was amazing! Thank you for that seriously interesting interview.
Great Show Thank you - We all need to Work for wisdom keep teaching about culture -
Keep sharing and reporting, stay free. Independent press is critical to staying free.
Thank God for Jordan B Peterson. I love adult conversations with discourse that's more than just sentence length. I appreciate the connected paragraphs level discourse. The world lacks adults like these two men.
So grateful for this dialogue - so much CLARITY on topics that could easily be difficult to communicate. What a treasure, thank you both. -John from Florida
I'm taking my son a single mom that is so grateful for your wisdom, the cheaper tickets but we are pumped to see you🎉... thank you Dr. Jordan Peterson for all that you do
Congratulations!! I want to see him at least once in my life 🙏🏼
Great to hear from you! I grew up on a grain farm in northern Alberta. My retired grandparents lived in Fairview most of my childhood. We come from tough stock SIr.
Don't blink. This mother of five(homeschooling) and my husband love your unflinching honesty. 🙏🙏🙏
Great conversation Walter and Jordan!
listening to this convo's has become my new hobby. Thanks professor for sharing.
I really enjoyed the insight of your guest on this video. As informative as interesting. Thank you very much.
Thank you Dr. Peterson for continuing to educate us about important world issues.
Yes yes jordan is AMAZING ❤️😍❤️😍❤️😍 love from sweden Stockholm
@I WORK AS A "TEACHER" - DIMITRIOS FROM GREECE 🇬🇷 i wonder if? that's were the disorders origins are from obviously I haven't looked it up yet haha.
@a atomistic human male's pov love you 🙏❤️🙏
Great interview! very informative and interesting - many great topics ;)
to my view: as an Israeli - i dream of peace and believe in the two-state solution
my mom gladly revisited Marrocco where her mom was driven out. now as a free person, with an education and a family of her own.
Fantastic conversation. Excellent. Thank You!
Wondefull stuff.Many thanks to the both of you!!!
Gentlemen Thank You 2 for highly intelligent and thought provoking discussions that I am enjoying listening to. Regards Richard Schäfer ( Christian Existentialist )
Jp you are a life saver. I started listening to you when I was at a low ebb and didn't want to do anything.
I started with baby steps lasting 5 min and I built on that and now I can do something for an hour. Ty.
The world needs more people like Dr. Peterson. Lovely work
This was a wonderful conversation. Thank you.
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Very competent and insightful guest, Jordan. Great conversation.
Excellent talk! Thanks a lot!
I appreciate Jordan's sincerity as much as his intellect and insight. His point of view is consistently aligned with logic, compassion, and general good judgment.
Wow. Dry intelligent conversation and informative discussion!
Deep intelligent conversation. Provocative and stimulating.
Thank you for your content Jordan. I am a Zambian lady that has followed you for a couple of years now and bought both your books (12 Rules For Life & Beyond Order) I appreciate the knowledge I am getting from both. Thank you so much sir 🙏🏾
Where are the replies? 😮
@Jim kinch ikr
I enjoyed this thoroughly in depth conversation.
Wisdom & balance. More of this please JBP.
Thanks Walter and Jorden it confirms my views completely 😊
What a wise old man! I think I'm gonna read some of his books.
Such high quality discussion. 10/10
Hi Jordan, can’t wait to read your book, love your work. There is something so touching about how you discuss women’s psychology. Keep doing your good work.
Hello Dr. Peterson I would love it if you could do a review of the book The Fourth Turning by William Strauss and Neil Howe. It's on the seasonal and cyclical trend of Anglo-American generations dating back to the sixteenth century(generation theory). I believe it would be a very relevant breakdown as it deals with today's current events, thank you.
Excellent conversation I was very impressed
This is probably the most important interview with Mead that Jordan has done ! Mead’s intellectual narrative needs to be heard intensely as a warning.
You Guys Are The Goats Of Knowledge And You Both Are Extremely Reasonable 🙏🏾😤
Mr. Mead is an informed and entertaining speaker. Thank you for giving him the time and space to lay out his answers so thoroughly - and thank you for prompting him with the right questions at the right time.
Is this a hint towards a direction that's never ever cool in my from my manly pov as a straight male ? haha 🤔...... again still don't know but I think the beating of the horse has begun it seems idk ?
Excellent excellent interview I really love the explanations which differ in a small to other experts I’m so glad to hear professor Jordan has changed his tune in regards to Putin! Most people anyway near similar to Putin! If they were I would totally loose hope for humanity!!!
You'd wrong, though. Putin is a good leader and a fine human being, and if you are a little patient, you'll see that he'll do a lot of good for humanity. Peterson is just not well informed about Russia and Putin. He can't get out of the heavy US anti-Putin propaganda that envelopes most of the West. Let's hope he finds his way out of this dark cloud.
The clearest explanation on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict was one by Joan Peters, former Advisor of Middle East Affairs to the White House, titled: “From Time Immemorial.” I hope someone on Dr Peterson alerts him of this excellent piece of research on the roots of this conflict.
Very insightful, thank you for this. I never thought of, but Walter brings it out so clearly, that Russia is lost and searching for some sort of ideological underpinning. Living in Canada, with it's centuries old traditions, I can't imagine how that must feel and have always taken it for granted.
I am sorry you find this conversation insightful, since the insights are so skewed and prejudiced as to be a version of US/NATO propaganda. Prof, Peterson should interviewees more carefully - or at least vary them. Colonels Richard Back amd Douglas McGregor do a better job at informing us than this Mr Mead.
So pleased I found this channel.
This is one of the most high value Clip-Share channels I have ever come across. It consistently makes me think and challenges me and I learn about so many topics that seem too complicated for me to start on and makes it more digestible to read up on when interested later. The guests interviewed here are so amazingly knowledgeable. I love it
I hear you! Be sure to stop by banned dot video too ;)
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@Ernesto Lopez ?? What lol 😆 😂 🤣
I absolutely LOVE that two-color coat!!! It truly fits your character and personality Dr. Peterson! You are ROCKING the Matrix and the serial liars at war with the Truth. Keep on fighting the good fight Sir. Much respect. Godspeed!
Such a good discussion!
One of the best most lucid conversations I’ve ever heard discussing the state of our world today and our past history and where we are going. Mr Mead has a detached mind few have like Jordan where he’s wanting to understand each point of view not necessary judge it has good or evil but why it is what it is, like how the history of each country brings about such horrible leaders. This conversation should be todays social studies class so kids understand that democratic and free societies evolve in such a dynamic beautiful mysterious way where what we have our lifestyles compared to the average Chinese or Russian? I always tell my friends get in a plane and go there and try speaking honestly and see what happens? Thank you again this was special and helped me personally understand some situations I was wanting to understand more clearly.
Dr. Peterson, you are a hero. Keep going. God bless us all.
Wow! Such a elucidatory discussion. Thanks.
Glory to god for giving us the best teacher of our time!!! Been following Dr. Peterson since 2018 & life has been exceedingly better. I haven’t hit the home run yet, but I’m sure I’ll get there❤
Also, thank Jordan's family and all the people he read, and those who taught him to think about thinking. That is humans working together. 😊
Absolute history gold here. Thx gentleman
I also love the fact that Jordan still uses the trusty Rotary Dial Phone... This way, when he doesn't like the ads that telemarketers are pitching him to advertise, he can hang up on them with gusto! ;)
Mr.perterson Mr.russel thank you for putting up these kind of dialogue learning alot from your insight mike here from 🇵🇭more power to you guy's
Fantastic presentation… a must watch!!!
So I am just going to say this: I watch your Clip-Share channel because I know that I am going to disagree with the vast majority of your views, which I do! But I do this to expose myself to a counter-narrative to my own, thereby challenging myself and broadening my own understanding in the process. I just want to say that while I often disagree with your views, I appreciate the way you go about forming them - through critical thinking and intelligent interaction with others and I can tell that you are confident but also open to being challenged, which is refreshing. I want to thank you for the quality of these videos, the effort you put into them and the high level of discourse in them. I've gotten a lot out of watching these and I hope to continue in the future - albeit I don't think we will ever have a similar world view :)
I'm so happy to find this much intellectual conversation and thought about interesting, deep, and meaningful topics. Thank you.
It's not about some kind of exclusivity of the Anglo-American culture, they just realized before everyone else that it is impossible to defeat Freedom, rights and democracy
This particular conversation is unfortunately so full of prejudice, so skewed towards US/NATO disinformation that it's at best worthless. Prof Peterson should find better informed and more balanced people to talk about Russia. The biases are scandalous.
I simply enjoy your video SO MUCH Mr Petersson 🙏👌
I'm here going off on profound consciousness, and then I sober up enough to allow beautiful bridges to be made. History was and is my favorite subject. All science is founded upon our history, and in this very moment, we are making history today. I am working on some very specific goals, very special, I am trying to find the most like minded people in my stupor, to either lead by example, or purge demons.. War is always the last fundamental in this triumph that we see individual go right to, not knowing the way through this dark path. As my ego would say, follow the lantern light.
Really great talk very insightful
Loved this interview.
We need more discourse like this....including similar and diverting views... Thanks Mr. Peterson!