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PODCAST: Detectives speak candidly about Murdaugh murder case
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- Published on Mar 15, 2023 veröffentlicht
- Colleton County Sheriff's Detectives Laura Rutland, Daniel Greene and Jason Chapman were among the first on the scene the night of June 7, 2021, after Alex Murdaugh murdered his wife, Maggie, and son, Paul.
While it was almost unthinkable in the first few hours after the killings, these detectives said they picked up right away on things that weren't adding up -- primarily focusing on Murdaugh's demeanor, emotions and body language. Plus, the detectives respond to rampant criticism of investigators throughout the trial, saying some of the complaints against them were far from fair or reasonable.
Join hosts Anne Emerson, Charlie Condon and Drew Tripp as they discuss the new details learned from this exclusive interview.
Want to hear more from the Colleton County investigators? Check out the links below to the stories Anne Emerson and Tara Jabour have published on the topic.
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CCSO deputies dig deeper into Murdaugh's motives for killing wife and son | abcnews4.com/news/local/deput...
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I disagree with one thing - I think it was premeditated. He made sure Maggie and Paul were both there that night.
Agree.
Agreed
He even waited for the right weather conditions. The rain helped muck up the scene.
Or that Maggie was the target and Paul collateral damage. He most probably wasn't meant to be there.
@Heather. I agree, it was premeditated. He said so himself, to his family. He said, "whoever did this thought about it for a long time"
Why not show the whole interview with the detectives? This is what we want to see! All of it! Please!
90% of this was worthless and 100% of that DA was. How about just using the interviews and none of the "talking head" commentary? This station is weak.
@Steve. Agree. I'm turning it off less than 5 mins in because of the unnecessary waffling. I'll wait and watch the actual interview not snippets of it with all the BS.
that's what I thought I was going to see, disappointed
@Queen Bee me too
They're probably going to make it into a special. This is a "teaser" for a prime time TV event.
Alec told Maggie’s sister that “whoever did this, planned it for a long time”.
Also, he asked or told both Maggie and Paul to come home.
Interesting that Paul left the kennel video and Jodi Arias left a camera behind in the washing machine.
The Universe works in mysterious and glorious ways.
RIP Maggie and Paul.
TRUTH always seems to rise to the top. I love it when that happens!
Tells you their state of mind.
I clicked to make a point about him asking Maggie and Paul to come there that night and your comment was the first I saw. You said for me. I don’t believe that was a coincidence. This was planned and what he told Maggie’s sister was the truth.
He lured Maggie and Paul there, he had it planned for a really long time which is what he told Marion, he could have sabotaged the sunflowers to make sure Paul came back there, I also heard somewhere that Alex’s dad had said Paul was becoming a huge problem and if Alex didn’t do something then he would do it himself, maybe he planned on killing Paul when they were riding around that afternoon but realised he was running out of time and courage to kill Paul. I’d love to know what he was trying to do with Paul’s phone … maybe trying to delete the video of the tree showing the clothes he was wearing when he killed them
Please please please show the entire interview with the detectives! Thank you :-)
That's what I thought we were going to hear when I read the title of the video.
Is there perhaps a link to the interview somewhere?
@Tine Kristiansen yep,sorta miss titled.
@sprintcars and guitars! Clickbait.
I believe that these police are complicit.
YALL the links to the interviews are in the video description!! 😂
Love that Paul had the last word ! Respect to the jury for making the right call.
It was dangerous for them to hold him accountable.They &/their families are still in danger. This will not go unavenged. To many ppl. still in debt and protecting them.I do believe Buster will soon be charged or at least talked about a lot in regards to Steven Smith death.
I mean Paul also killed someone as well so I don’t care about that much but at least his brother knows what happened as far as the truth goes. I have as much sympathy for him & his mom as they had for that girl’s family & those boys who lost their mom in their home or that poor gay boy Buster allegedly beat to death. Last word my ass.
Paul had a lot to pay for, but being murdered at the hands of his father wasn't one of them
He was able to defend he and his mother although sadly they could not be here.. their voices were still heard!
I think Paul killed Steven, not Buster. He was probably drunk and saw the guy was broken down and was walking. Paul and another person turned the truck around and hit him in the head with a baseball bat. Pulled over and put his body in the middle of the road so it looked like a hit and run.
I would have liked to see the actual interview rather than just talking about it.
Agree - this was super disappointing!
Amen with all the talk . I couldn't stay longer than a quarter way and stoll mo interviews. This was definitely click bait.
Agree didn't like the way they did this..
Amen to that.
CLICK BAIT! Where is rhe full interview???
After years of being a nurse, you can read people when there is a death. Some men keep their emotions inside, but they are consistent with that. They don’t cry and sob, and just stop on a dime. They never ask if their loved one is dead. They look at you for a sign, and when they see you indicate yes they know. His body am interviews at the scene was all wrong and really creepy.
What you witnessed in hospital nursing are expected deaths after long illnesses, not sudden discovery of two shot loved ones. The only live witnessed reaction to a murder we have seen in our life time is Jackie's after JFK's head exploded in her arms. The Zapruder film was a home movie silent camera with 8 frames per second. So, Frame 371 is 1/8 of a second after JFK's head exploded. Real science observes, does not speculate. Did you actually observe other people react after discovering murder of a loved one?
@Marie Assa'ad-Faltas Not necessarily. Nurses are exposed to all manner of causes of death. Including murder victims
Not always true, when my brother was killed a year ago my dad stood there all-night no tears. Even told me not to cry, when I or other siblings broke for a min he didn’t run after anyone of us.
He just allowed us all our own reaction. He seemed a bit unsurprised & a bit upset. But at the viewing my dad broke down.
30 years of my life & I have NEVER seen him weak or cry & I had to hold him up from crying. He said, “I’m not supposed to be burying y’all, y’all suppose to burying me”
Kid you not my dad died 3 months later after bac to bac strokes.
He never could grieved my baby brother, even called my mom days before his death demanding for both me & my other brother call him asap. Glad I did because it was the last time I heard my dad speak.
@Marie Assa'ad-Faltas nonsense. People die in hospital unexpectedly and after horrible, traumatic incidents all the time. Relatives arrive still hoping they'll be ok and have it explained to them that their relative/friend has died painfully and their lives are suddenly, shockingly different. Many, many people have been observed by other bystanders after someone they know and love was shot in a robbery, on the street, in a domestic incidents, all kinds of circumstances. This is a ridiculous statement.
Please show more of the interviews of the officers. Thank you and Yes to the Judge Newman mug!
I suggest carve a monument for this epopee of justice; which were for 6 weeks via virtual reality went viral not only abroad the nation but across the globe 🌎. I bet there are tremendous trial for bringing justice for previous victims; Gloria Satterfield. Stephen Smith ,Molly , and absolutely for Maggie and Paul until Alec Murdaugh admit guilty to tell the world last words was spoken by Paul mouth 👄 to him and screaming of Maggie when she run fast for her baby Paul ! And The Monster Alec without any mercy left them behind him suffering last minute of lethal pains!
I agree ! I want to hear police
I’m only 5:46 in and had to stop the video. I don’t want to hear what the 3 on the couch have to say. I decided to watch to listen to what the officers had to say
Did you notice his Freemason friend with his hand extra-long on his shoulder while he was giving his version in the car that first night and is he the same one that pull straight up into the middle of the crime scene like nobody should do the white one between the kennel and the equipment shed
Its possible there was an argument at dinner.
Maggie had seen an attorney about divorce, she had been living at the Beach house and renovating it and Paul had found dads pills again.
When it's real, people fall apart. No one could look at that crime scene and walk away like it's just another day, and yet Alex turned it off and on.Those crocodile tears and hiding his face while he was laughing were pretty obvious. He had the kleenex and just played with it the whole time. A normal person who just came on the scene and saw the totality of what happened to 2 of the people he supposedly loved would be inconsolable and maybe even confused, disoriented, and unable to speak and the water works would be running, for real. Alex had made the statement that whoever did this had planned it a long time.
Great video !!!!! All of the things you guys are saying about his body language and his behavior that night is exactly what I list on Twitter and you tube to all the attorneys who are saying no evidence and mad he got convicted… I actually unsubscribed to some of them that I’ve been subscribed to for over a year. It blows my mind how anyone can say there was no evidence. Thank you so much all of you !!!
I think there was conflict earlier in the evening between the three of them and that’s why he was vague about any conversations he had with Maggie or Paul. Any words you had with loved ones just before they were brutally murdered would be seared in your brain but he couldn’t recall what they talked about.
that’s what made my mind up alec was lieing
I agree. They argued about all his failures & he went nuts. Drugs, money, guns &. Control. Sad, sad story.
@Eleffcee.i think Paul may have found Alec's drugs , put them in his pocket, and refused to give them to alec ,so alec got angry & lost the plot, and killed them both, after all "The little detective "(paul)used to report his findings to momma.Theres the motive, as alec did say on the stand that he had a bag of pills in his pocket on the night of the murders while being questioned in the car by sled.
Really?? Omg how do you know how another’s mind thinks. Such BS
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I had hoped to hear more from the officers - not the interviewers.
Me too.
I worked as an Acct Exec in broadcast television at an ABC affiliate for over 10 years. My experience was that a few of the 'personalities' in the News Dept. fell in love with the sound of their own voices and seeing their face on TV. Their news stories featured a lot of them... and not so much of the LIVE video from the scene. One look at a story from one of the serious journalists on staff and you could see the difference immediately.
Same. I wonder where the taped interview is?
Me too!
YALL the links to the interviews are in the video description!! 😂
This was extremely interesting. Thank you for doing this episode! I don't blame detectives. It's never just easy and Alex also messed up the place and the investigation himself by inviting a lot of people there etc. And this case was a complicated and big entity anyway.
You should play the whole two hours. People are very interested
I don’t think they will. Because then we wouldn’t hear them talk. The lime light.
YALL the links to the interviews are in the video description!! 😂
That morning he was confronted by the CFO of the law firm of his missing money, his son was gonna cost him $30M and his wife was going to take the rest. They were HIS liability.
Says who? Just so you know, in South Carolina, plaintiffs are not even allowed to set a demand in the complaint. And it was Alex and Buster who were sued, not Paul or Maggie. That complaint by Mark Tinsley was corrected judged baseless by the more dignified Dawes Cook whose testimony gets overlooked because he did not engage in theatrics and jump aroung the courtroom as if in a drag show as did Creighton Waters. I think it is also unethical for Charlie Condon, a washed-up lawyer, to be raising money off a judge's likeness. It cheapens the robe. But legal ethics have gone out the window right after police competence.
@Marie Assa'ad-Faltas yesssssss!!! I couldn't stand Mr. Waters or his performance
It’s a cautionary tale. He shouldn’t have been confronted whilst his family were unaware. It may have caused him to make this homicidal move
@Thrive Collective It sounds like you’re defending him?
@David Brown
Obvious!
I think he/she still owe’s him! 🤡
I love how JUSTICE WAS SERVED!
RIP MAGGIE AND PAUL!
This is the first time coming across your podcast. I love hearing about all the behind the trial tidbits and looking forward to your next podcasts. I love Judge Newman and would love to order the mug. How and where do I order?
This is very interesting so thank you. What I can say from watching Everything is I KNEW night one he was likely guilty because of the interview in the vehicle and I saw so many articles talking about him sobbing and losing his family but instead of feeling empathy for him, I felt disgust. I didn’t understand why my sixth sense was kicking in until I watched The Behavioral Panel break everything down so brilliantly, then I felt sane but I was so sure there would be a hung jury so I’m truly grateful for our system.
I'm a big fan of the behavioral panel too. I also felt very uncomfortable watching that interview in the car. It was just OFF!
I had the same reaction to Alex turning emotions on and off on the stand when he testified.
A coup in interviewing the officers but VERY frustrating that you didn’t show much of the interview!
Yesssssss! Agreed - please, just play the whole interview, it was killing me all these little clips.
YALL the links to the interviews are in the video description!! 😂
Can you please play the full video of this interview, it is really interesting to hear their perspective thank you great content 👍❤️
YALL the links to the interviews are in the video description!! 😂
This was great. Would love to see your full interview with them.
There are links to the interviews
I cannot find the full interview with the investigators
@LindsayThane me either .. this is interesting, but I’d rather hear it straight from them
I watched your summaries every night I could, during the Murdaugh murder trial. And, I live all the way across the country! You three, are so bright; I miss watching your Murdaugh commentaries! Thanks for being here during the trial, and thanks for being such bright individuals, and such an interesting team.
Well done guys you answered alot of questions and the getting angry at law enforcement never occurred to me but its so true!! Once again well done guys thank you for your service
Can we see the actual interview please??
YALL the links to the interviews are in the video description!! 😂
Where can we see the entire interview. We want to hear the interview
YALL the links to the interviews are in the video description!! 😂
I think it had to be at least somewhat premeditated for Alex to make sure both Maggie and Paul were there that night. Also, on Paul's phone video, I didn't hear any red flags in Maggie's or Paul's voices that there were high emotions flying; Maggie sounded kind of amused with Bubba. One thing I wonder....if Alex says Paul was getting death threats, and if you have a remote property like that, wouldn't you consider having security cameras installed?
I think I just have a hard time thinking a family that close and all the pictures that he is capable of doing this. I still think the investigation could of been better. Just like Stephan smith they never printed the car and wallet ect. They kind of just called it.
He could of paid someone possibly to help idk. But that video their first time of death was said to be at 9- to almost 10 he wasn’t home. They kept changing what they found.
True security shot of been on that property day one really!!!
I can listen to y’all 24/7! Please keep giving us all the background on Murdaugh trial. I need more of interview from detectives. Please. Also, I must have a Judge Newman mug! Where can I order it? ♥️
I think it’s exactly like he told Maggie sister. Whoever did this thought it out for a long time. And they had a lot of anger. And the anger started with the boat accident Maggie had her name on all the property and she was talking about getting a divorce. And I think if her sister had gone further she wanted to but I think she was worried if Alec walked , She would be in fear. But her sister knew she was fed up and she knew that her sister felt like Alec was up to something that day I think she was just hesitant to say so out of fear. I saw somewhere where maggie communicated that to someone. But they couldn’t bring it into court because it was hearsay. There were no witnesses to her making that statement but she did. And when they sent the jury out with Blanca and the judge was letting them ask her questions while the jury was out she said that Maggie wanted to be done with the boat case she wanted it to be over and she would give up everything that they owned in order to just have it and. Well the property was in her name and she was willing to give up everything. I’m sure with that and Paul and Maggie finding the pills and knowing that he was going to be in discovery with this boat case and then once he went into discovery that he was going to be exposed from the ceiling and then the law firm was going to find out everyone in town would find out his reputation would be ruined I think she was trying to stop all that. Not knowing that the ladies at the law firm were already starting to follow the money and had their suspicions anyway. It’s interesting that the officer said that he never really looked at Maggie on the Paul extremely interesting.
The one big mistake they waited 3 months to search Alex's mothers property, likely the guns were there for a day or two
And his bloody clothes.
Agree 1000%
The investigation was scattered and slow
They wouldn't have had a " Circumstancal " case of they had searched Almeda that night, the guns were there, waiting 3 months is Appalling and gave Alex the opportunity to get rid of the guns. They should be Ashamed of themselves.
I don’t understand why the three of you on the panel are telling us what the detectives said rather than SHOWING US the actual interview? Weird.
Right! And because of the stuttering, I couldn’t even stay focused. Took too long to finish their trains of thought.
@Reva Smith Because they were feeling guilty about not showing the whole interview.
YALL the links to the interviews are in the video description!! 😂
Well, here is the deal, would an attacker not bring his own weapon, and just assume there would be one the family used to use at the scene? Also, I think the video of the dog which proved Alex was there 5 minutes before they died, was very telling after Alex had lied the whole time about not being there. The fact that he kept trying to modify the time spent at his mom's and other timelines of the night were also key to making him look guilty whether he was or not, but it appears that he was guilty.
I would love to see that full 2 HR interview.
I keep watching you guys!! I really like how each of you have different opinions and views and it just makes everything come together. Also you don't have the salacious attitude about the case, seems to be more humane
90% of this was worthless and 100% of that DA was. How about just using the interviews and none of the "talking head" commentary? This station is weak.
Watch Clip-Share channel- Murdaugh Murders Podcast. She has many details about this case.
This was premeditated. Maggie wasnt living with him at the time. He called her to Moselle. She wasn't just there. It was all money motivated. She would have taken a huge chunk in the divorce & the boat accident the rest of it. He wasnt fond of Paul.
Bianca found her wedding band under front seat of maggie’s suv too
They weren’t separated at the time from what I’ve read. Maggie preferred the coastal property but she was overseeing work on the house in preparation for celebrations the following month. I agree that tension would have existed between the couple but it’s too much of a reach to say they were separated
@Thrive Collective I didnt say they were separated. But she was not living at Moselle the time it happened. She told someone that he rang her & asked to meet at the kennels. He told the court that she rang & asked hi. To meet there. I know who I believe. There WAS going to be a divorce. She got a forensic finance investigator to go thru all the family money. And Paul was going to cost him a bomb. I read $30m. Which he didnt have. He'd have to start selling properties. He killed 2 birds with one stone. Why 2 different guns tho is very strange & very suss. They needed to look closer at Buster.
@Debbie Grimison I’m not sure about divorce. It would have been a solid motive therefore I assume the prosecution couldn’t prove it either way or they would have
@Susan Beaubien what was that about?
I wanted to hear the detectives. Your thoughts and comments are interesting but would’ve been so much more so in the context of the detectives!
One thing that confused me was he remember all kinds of stuff but he couldn't remember what he was talking about to Paul and Maggie that evening.
Alex had selective memory
For liars they tend to focus on "details" that are not relevant to the typical question or the information the other person is seeking.
He said they talked about Paul's health.
This case once again how cruel/evil humans can be.
People like AM don't feel guilty or feel haunted that they've done anything wrong. But I hope he spends the rest of his life berating himself for not 'doing something' with Paul's phone!
Wouldn’t change a thing. It was uploaded to iCloud. They would’ve found it. Snapchat never erases anything police can’t find
What could he have done?
I mean he would have to whip his cloud saves out & what parent knows that lol let alone how to get into our phones. I even have Face ID so your not getting into my phone even as I sleep as my wife has woke me up in the middle of the night to unlock my phone with my face. Eyes have to be open as well.
I thought about this too because a lot of these cases are figured out over the smallest thing or mistake.. I wondered if it weren’t for the video, would he have gotten away with it? IMO, the video would have to literally not exist lol not deleted or the entire phone trashed but not existed.. & youd still have the previous video that day of him wearing diff clothes & shoes that “vanished”.. after hearing all the evidence, they’d still have a good idea of the time it happened via phone activity.. I think had he have used random guns & ammo that couldn’t be traced to back to being family owned 🤦🏼♀️ if he waited longer to leave for his parents or used a vehicle that didnt cost 100k with all the technology & tracked just as much if not more than an iPhone.. i think there was enough circumstantial without the Snapchat video placing him at the kennels.. it still would’ve placed him at the home (close enough) so he’d have had to “discover” them sooner like before leaving for his parents.. he lured Maggie back in town early to go to his parents with him so his phone & vehicle would have to show he was at home like it did & then before leaving, try to get ahold of maggie about going with him & stopping by the kennels on his way out to “pick her up”.. still suspicious but his downfall was clearly perfecting alibi from the scene, he forgot everything that lead up to that point needing to make sense.. not to sound super creepy for thinking about this but hear me out lol basically hired help taking AMs phone & vehicle away from the home long before time of death, not using family owned guns & ammo, the videos taken that day not existing wouldve given him the highest chance of getting away with it.. too many minor details played a role, I don’t see the videos not existing helping AM the same amount they helped in his conviction..
@K L Paul even had sent the video to his friend who had asked him to make a video because his dog who was staying with Paul seemed to have an injured tail and he wanted to see it
Nice to see the network engaging in real journalism for a change, guys....
Why he killed these two? Very simple. Alex knew that Maggie and Paul knew how that house-keeper lady "died" (under cross examination they would "spill the beans," Alex knew). Further, about the boat-crash. Alex would be held responsible. Besides, Alex knew with all those litigations, cases, etc., Maggie would ditch and divorce him. So thought of getting rid of Paul (then Paul would not be around to stand trials). So, when Maggie heard the shots, turned around, and saw Paul falling, and as she was coming to her son, our "drooling hero" shot her. He thought he could blame it on someone else. That's all. By the way, the defense's theory - "Whoever would shoot his own son and wife?" Yes, there are numerous such shooting in our nation and the nations around the world.
65% according to the dept of justice. Their facts recently released in 2022. 32% are other family and friends.😮
I agree with everything you wrote except that he thought he’d get away with this. There’s a 0% chance he thought he’d get away with this. Which makes it baffling why he’d do it. 🇺🇸
@Jan Brooks aka Spiritwalker always wondered why she was there!
I think the house keeper fell, plan and simple. It’s like making the whole family a bunch of killers
Glad you enjoyed the candid interview, when do we get to see it? Guess it's a private candid interview
Video and participants are thorough and informative. Wish more of the SLED interview was shown.
Alex was correct, this had been planned for a long time. From the beginning I could not believe Alex was innocent. He could have “just lost it,“ but I honestly believe it was premeditated. Alex’s body language and mannerism gave him away. It was as though he was telling a story he had played in his mind before telling it. Guess my thoughts come from 20 years working in the prison environment. Questioned why he picked up Paul’s phone and put it back knowing what was on it. Wonder why he didn’t get rid of Paul’s phone. Why did Alex start calling Paul Pawpaw during the trial, but not during the first interview? An experienced hunter, Alex, could get down low enough to aim upwards to make a shot.
So many questions still unanswered. May Paul and Maggie RIP, and Alex burn in hades.
Alex walked all over the crime scene, as did all his lawyer friends.
They (the attorney-friends) all knew better than to come to a murder scene and do that. It was all part of Alex's and their MO to confuse the situation, probably were any of them to have a possible criminal scene they were involved in. That way they can defend it all later. They totally knew better. They aren't stupid.
They did that in the boat case as well. They were interfering and said to be trying to stage the evidence against someone else. There are interesting interviews regarding Alex behavior at that he crime scene of a the boating accident
Deliberately…
I have a problem with no one talking about the Uncle going thru the crime scene and covering up Paul's body. 😮
Would never be allowed in any other crime scene setting. Why feel the need to clean up on such a horrendous occasion
Me too!!!
Exactly
I believe Paul the 'intuitive little detective' revealed his knowledge about something to Alex at the kennels that shocked him and made him snap. That's why he said during the 911 call that 'I should've known.' I believe he was referring to what Paul had revealed to him. He did shoot Paul first thinking Maggie was well on her way back to the house but she heard the shots and ran back, forcing Alex to kill her too.
If he didn't want Mags there he wouldn't have asked her to come
That could be true but then he did have two guns at hand to shoot with making it look like two shooters.
Only watched because 'Detectives speak candidly' but there was so little of the real interview. Where can we see the complete interview.
Final straw was Maggie leaving AM which was a huge loss of control that AM had on his family and their secrets...
Interesting program and great to hear behind the scenes stories. Please continue this information.
Great content❣️I appreciate your efforts!!!
Wonderful to heat, firsthand, from Colleton County Sheriff's Detectives Laura Rutland, Daniel Greene and Jason Chapman.
So, enlightening and Kudos to them for their outstanding work that night.
Many blessings to them.
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Outstanding! Very insightful. Thank you all so very much!!! I'll be looking out for you. Great work.🎉
Honestly I’d feel ripped off the public didn’t see my full interview
There is evidence that he did plan this double murder. He requested Maggie & paul to mosella that day. He called her a few times to know when she be arriving. He turned off his phone from around the time Maggie arrived at 8:10 pm until after the murders @ 9:04 p.m, putting himself off the grid of the crime scene. Paul' kennel video @ 8:44 doesnt capture any arguments or anger in anyone ' s voice.. He planned this cool & calculated! I just dont know WHY? We may never know as the juror said..
Likely a multitude of reasons in Alex's mind. Losing all his money likely bring a top reason.
If you listen to Paul's voice, he sounds angry when he says "its a chicken "
To me it’s SOOO Obvious 🙄
So he did turn his phone off during that time ? Never heard that
Yep ...totally agree. I would like to hear Alex explain why Maggie didn't go with him to see bus dad, which was the plot he used to get her to Moselle that night. Maggie's sister testified that Maggie didn't want to go and the sister said maybe she should go to Moselle since Alex called to say his father had taken a turn and asked for her support. Be curious to hear Alex's explanation of why she didn't leave with him to go visit.
Another thing I would have expected to hear from AM was, "Who could do a thing like this? Why would someone do such an awful thing?" I guess he didn't ask because he knew the answers.
Very good point. It reminds me of the JonBenet Ramsey case and the parents' lack of anger toward the killer. It's what's missing that deepens suspicion.
Where can I watch the whole interview?
I wished that Maggies sister and or any other family members would have spoken for Maggie and Paul after the verdict!! I believe they deserved that acknowledgment and more !!!!!! It makes it seem that everyone is afraid of Alex and that should NOT be the case!! Alex should have heard all of the hurt and misery that he caused !!! Prayers for Maggie and Paul !!! Buster needs to stay far away from his narcissistic ,murderer father !!!!!!!!!!!!
Agreed
I think, if Maggie's family had given a victim's statement, it would have impacted on Buster, who may or may not have been involved. If he was not involved, then he can move forward with Maggie's family and would not have to contend with or reflect on his mother's family's statements against his father.
I followed Drew during the trial because he tweeted the best info in real time.
It seems like it was planned to me. He called Maggie and Paul both home. I this that is telling.
Definitely premeditated!
Absolutely
Maggie knew something was up. She should of trusted her gut.
I would like to see the whole investigation at moselle.
If he did it, yes premeditated. I still feel he had help. Those would were thick all around the property they could of popped out did the shooting and left through the woods and a car picked them up
It’s so good to see you guys!
He was pretty consistent after the police got there. He was anxious and kept asking did you check them are they dead. He was watching and waiting. He still asked until they put the white cover on, then he was really upset. If you listen to the 911 call. He kept saying hurry. Nobody comments on why did he say hurry. I saw the body cam one then he kept asking. I truly believe he was not positive that Maggie was dead. Based on how he was talking while on phone with 911 walking around. His reaction to did they kill themselves, instantly “hell no, hell no. It makes no sense he would go fast to see mom come back. He would have had a better alibi. If he did that slow. He came back and put himself in the time of dead window. The coroner had what a 90 minute window. At the begging time alex was there at the outside time I believe he said 10 Alex was there. Who would be so stupid to do that.
Congratulations Detective Green! Well done all RIP Maggie and Paul
The double murder was premeditated, he lured Maggie to Moselle that day not to mention AM turned off his phone just after 8:00 pm until after the murders.
The kennel video also shows how lighthearted of a time they were having as a family, then moments later devastation! seemingly nothing trigger that heinous act in that moment.
And didn’t the sister of Maggie also say she said Alex was “being so sweet” there lately & she thought it was weird or that he was up to something? He was acting more “family-ish” that night.
It might have been a friend who said this instead of Marianne.
Marian encouraged Maggie to go to Moselle that day to visit AM parent(s). You can tell Marian feels horrible about that.
More actual interview, would love to hear the 2 hrs - that’s what I came for, not all the chitchat.
I think he used the 2 guns to help prove 2 people did the killings. Remember he said "they did it" to the police afterwards.
Thank you for bringing up the Satterfield call!! People say they sound indifferent in the call. I hear urgency and no understanding of the responders being on their way.
I have wondered if the defense team heard the kennel tape done by Paul before the trial? If they had, wouldn't they have realized the voice identified by several witnesses as the voice as Alex could have been Alex? At what point did they know Alex was lying about being at the kennel?
I still think it was planned. He wanted Maggie and Paul to come to Moselle.
Oh absolutely! Totally premeditated. I think he should have had the ☠️ penalty on the table. He certainly qualified for it or I think he did.
One thing I haven't heard anybody point out is when testifying Alec said she told me to leave, and then corrected himself. I think she DID tell him to leave and may have told him she was divorcing him. That could have set him off, knowing Maggie had control of his remaining financial assets too.
Agree with evone else, this whole interview would be wonderful to see. Id love to hear the whole interview. From the 1st day of reporting this I knew AM was guilty of killing them... ive never thought any different. The jury got it 100% correct!!!.. PS. I believe this was premeditated too. He prob didnt expect to blow Paul apart like he planned it, but this is for sure premeditated IMO, why else would he want them there so bad that night. He killed them then washed off at the kennels got rid of his clothes and guns, planned his alibi, all of it..
Thank you for drilling down on all of this. Really grateful for no commercials, unlike some other sponsored Pods I’ve watched.😊
Great segment! Can’t wait for what you have coming up!
I believe it was premeditated, He said that to his sister in law, "who ever did this had planned for a long time" He hired the arms months ahead of time.
I agree. He told partial truths all during his investigation and trial. I caught it every time he said something like he would never intentionally hurt them. The question was did he kill them and I think he did.
I heard he searched Paul's pockets. He got his bag of pills 💊 back. Paul had them
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Excellent content..While following the Trial, I noticed that gentleman in the Court, behind Alex, every day. Regards from Ireland 🇮🇪
Where’s the interview of the detectives that was your main screen shot to this video?
I was looking forward to watching that interview, like you described in your description box…..
Ditto … while II appreciate their commentary, the main part of this should’ve been the detectives investigating this case from day one vs. primarily listening to the commentators summarize what the detectives said, imo.
He planned it, that's why he asked Maggie & Paul to be there. This wasn't just a split-second decision. Y'all keep forgetting Maggie and Paul both had no plans to be at Mozelle.
If they thought he was a suspect so soon after, why not get a warrant for the Almeda property. Bad move!!
NO JUDGE in that county would have signed a warrant for that property...thats the WHOLE POINT. If Sled had not taken over when they finally did this case would have been put in a closet with the Sherrifs office periodically asking the public for any tips on the REAL Killers. I also think not all of the SLED office were working in the same direction...there were foxes in the Henhouse. Its a miracle this case was ever brought and hopefully a sign of better things to come for real JUSTICE in SC
Do not Forget Alex invited 12 lawers on the crime seen! How do you deal with all that
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@Linda Hoganson Thank you, professor!
No, he did not; he only called his brothers; it was Randy called the rest of the law firm. When Alex volunteered to be interviewed two days later, he only took one lawyer with him. That lawyer was trying to get SLED to talk first; but Alex wanted to help in every way he could and was more concerned about his in-laws than about himself.
@Linda Hoganson
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thanks I was so glad to see you on.! Everything just makes you wonder about Alex and how it went down . And why! so sad. Someone interviews the girl that was in the bad accident and her Mother and brother were killed. Alex stole money from them and of course lied. They trusted him when they needed a father figure. makes my blood boil. It was the lawyer that helped people that had been taken advantage.
Actually, NOTHING was stolen from that family. If you saw that interview carefully, her complaint was that Russell Laffitte would not let her spend her money too quickly. That is what a conservator is supposed to do. Also, her complaint was that Russell Laffitte gave her all her papers AND MONEY when she turned 18. Well, Laffitte did NOT adopt the girls; he was only supposed to keep and invest their money for them (which he did) until they turned 18. Alex Murdaugh did a lot of bad things; but he neither stole from these two girls nor killed his wife and son.
Alex lured both Paul and Maggie from many miles away, to be at the kennels. He planned this, AT LEAST since the afternoon of June 7th. He had the June 10th deadline coming, and he had just heard that the lawfirm CFO was on to his thefts. He panicked. But he thought it all out and committed to it. remember, "premeditated" can mean even as little as ten minutes.
The irony of Alex's own words under direct testimony sealing his guilty convictions
It seems everyone is hung up on a motive. A person that has lost as much as he has, doesn’t need a motive. He told us that it didn’t take much to set him off. Obviously he , to himself, had no other way. It was them or him, and they lost. Two lifetimes should give him time to figure out where he went wrong.
Please show the entire interview
the first thing that struck me was the casual how you doing to the cop. who asks how someone is doing when you just found your wife and son murdered
Please play the whole interview. Thank you.
According to the locals interviewed for the other documentaries, Gloria was more of a mother to Paul than Maggie ever was. Gloria raised Paul from age 2 and they said he used to cling to her all the time. One of the ladies said she thinks Maggie failed to bond with Paul since birth and was more deferential towards Buster. I guess that would explain the excess drinking, the rage (Timmy) and his low self esteem. The school suggested to Maggie to get Paul tested for ADHD and dyslexia but apparently she didn’t follow up with a paediatrician for some reason. It was said that Paul had only one photo in his wallet and it was of Gloria, nobody else. Just one photo in his wallet.
For all his problems and faults, he did have some redeeming qualities according to his friends, John Marvin and the two attorneys from PIMPED. Tragic case all round, made all the more devastating by Alec’s demeanour in court and his decision to put everyone through a trial.
YES, I want to order my Judge Newman mug. How and where do I order one or more??? Please.
I want to order a Judge Newman mug too! Help me…..
I'd hold off on that Mr. Waden because the jury is still out as to an appeal success. It could be that the appeal is granted because of evidence and other things that Newman allowed in and that would be a crying shame. Let's hope not, we must wait and see. Don't forget his lawyers are very, very crafty and will get the best of the best appeals attorneys for whom this is not the First Rodeo, so to speak.
What did they think of Alex continually asking the officers if they were certain both victims were dead? Alex asked multiple times.
I think he was afraid they would say who it was
I think Alex was worried-that by some miracle-one or both might still be alive!
Trying to wrap his mind around it. That would be normal in anyone coming upon a crime scene. If he did it, then it's a great way to show the proper reaction.
@Deborah A yes. I believe he was confirming with the officer that they were dead so he didn't have to worry about being identified as the killer.
Exactly what I thought. Tell it
I have heard various places that they thought 💭 it was sporadic; However, you have people saying they were not intending on being at Moselle that evening, as well as Maggie’s sister, saying Alex thought whoever did it, planned it for a long time, as well as two guns-in addition, to boat crash 💥 (and financials)-they were all getting along a minute or so previous via the Kennel video.
He knew a lot of law enforcement people,he could call them and move everyone to find the killer or killers,make a lot of phone calls to find out who did this. He instead went on vacation to Key West w his family.
When Alex was asked by his sister in law if Maggie & Paul suffered … Alex responded no! How would he know?! 18:38
How would he know but the other question i have is why would she ask him that?
@Karen Beeeexactly.
@Karen Beee What would you ask?
@Karen Beee oooohhh I didn’t even think of it that way! Why WOULD she ask HIM THAT unless her deep down gut knew?
@Karen Beee sounds like she was trying to get him to slip up. She knew.
Just caught up with those interviews in full. Fascinating insights from the source., Particularly Chapman's red flags.
The defense filed a notice of alibi then never presented it and the judge called them out on it during sentencing
Thank you for covering this ❤❤❤
At 37:36: the 'something' that happened at the end of that day was instead of taking a nap, Alex looked for his pills and they were gone. He realized Paul had found them like he did a month ago, and in a withdrawal fueled rage went down to the kennels on the golf cart. After the 'BUBBA!' tape he confronted Paul who refused to hand them over. Maybe he picked up a gun to threaten Paul and it went off. He fell back and the gun went off again, on purpose or not. Then Maggie came running and 'it was real noisy and I had to get out of there' he stopped her making all that noise. Remember the 'I had to get out of there because I was fixing to do something I didn't want to do'? I think he cracked; never underestimate the amount of psychological damage millions of dollars of opioids could do to someone, or how frantic they are when the drugs they just bought and can't afford to replace are missing...
One of dozens of possible scenarios. We will never know. The killer is the only one who knows.
LOL "In a rage he went down to the kennels in a golf cart." He specifically stated that he originally didn't want to go to the kennels at all because it was too hot and he would sweat. So in his rage, instead of driving down in the fast air-conditioned car (as he did later that evening) he decides to go down in the slow, open golf cart. And he just happens to leave his phone at the house. He also just happens to have two completely different guns with him and after unpremeditatedly killing Paul, he quick switches guns for no reason and then shoots Maggie.
Um...no. He either didn't do it at all, or he planned to do it, hence the cart, the phone, and the guns.
@Nancy B. The phone could have just been left behind. Not everyone grabs their phone and has it with them all the time. The cart was a way to get there, that's all. Golf carts aren't that slow and they can be breezy; it was getting later in the evening, almost dusk (8:45 pm early June in SC) - as far as the guns go, the shotgun had two loads in it that were used on Paul. It's easy to presume there was another loaded gun handy for when Maggie came running. I believe he had a psychotic break (Jekyll/Hyde) brought on by the stress of the day and drug withdrawal. Thus the 'I got out of there because I was fixing to do something I didn't want to do' - his Alex personality 'left the scene' - the monster he became when he NEEDED A FIX AND NEEDED IT NOW took over.
Jah bless those who suffer
@signalfire 6 According to the testimony of one of his law partners he was "obnoxiously" on the phone 24/7. The idea that he would just randomly wander off without it doesn't hold up. Certainly Maggie and Paul were on their phone the whole time they were down there. A golf cart is extremely slow compared to a car unless you're really booking it and throwing dust up into your face. And why would you "presume" that he had two separate loaded guns just sitting at hand? He would have been in some serious trouble if not for that little piece of luck given that Paul would be dead and Maggie alive.
Hey, maybe Martians did it, but he was having hallucinations and voices told him to do it, but you can just speculate out of your head -- there has to be some evidence to support your theory.
I wish y'all Could have played a lot more of the interviews with the officers / detectives. We barely got to see any of that footage.
There was a big chance Paul was going to serve time for the boat crash death . I think Alex was sure of that and couldn't do anything to prevent that .The thought of him being taken advantage of in jail etc. was just not something Alex Murdaugh could let happen. In his mind ,he was protecting Paul from humiliation and Maggie could not remain without Paul. I do believe it was premeditated.
Those detectives came for their 15 minutes. It was something none of them admittedly had ever done before.
Alex told Marian whoever did this planned it for a long time!
But the Prosecution's theory (and closing argument) is that Alex Murdaugh BECAME "a family annihilator" ONLY on 7 June 2021, and only AFTER the CFO asked him whether his fee from a case was deposited to the firm's kitty. That fee was NOT stolen from a client, nor from his "best friend" Chris Wilson, both of whom would not have gotten near that much in the first place without AM's involvement in the cases, it was only that it had not been deposited to the firm's kitty; and Alex EASILY fixed the problem with a loan from Russell Laffitte. So, which is it? Did he always want to kill the wife and son he adored or did he just go crazy on 7 June 2021? Nothing in the Prosecution's case makes sense. AM was correct in his conclusion: clearly, the two or more shooters had either stolen or bought as stolen the two family guns used as the murder weapons, knew of Paul's whereabouts from his Snapchats and of Maggie's from her Find-my-Friends app, and lay in wait for after AM left for Almeida to pin it on him. He did not profit from the murders; the real killers did.
Statement made from first hand knowledge. Huge slip on Alex’s part but AWESOME for Maggie & Paul!!! Justice prevailed!!! ⚖️🤍
@Marie Assa'ad-Faltas Delusional magical thinking
@Marie Assa'ad-Faltas Interesting 🤔
@Marie Assa'ad-Faltas And his friend knew he would be there he was watching the dog for his friend! Eye for an eye theory. Payback to ruin the family completely mission accomplished! Just a theory. Alex had off timelines where he was?