Ohio State: Analyzing what went wrong in Buckeyes rivalry unraveling

I loved Donovan Edwards answer when a reporter asked him to comment on his long TD run. He said “which one?”😂

OSU going to the Big 12 to find a defensive answer is like going to the strip club to find true love

I don't know what happened to OSU during halftime, but as a Michigan fan, going into halftime only down by 3 had me thinking we've got you right where we want you. Let the fireworks begin!

That stadium is something else. Amazing how quiet it is when the 〽️ band isn’t playing Hail to the victors.
I’ll give Day some credit since he said they were going to hang 100 on Michigan. After 2 games he’s half way there and should get to 100 by 2024.

Tale of two halves, OSU took away the run in the first half and UM hung in there with the pass and big plays. Then UM leaned on their identity, Smash Fest running football in the 2nd. It was brilliant and genius.

Michigan's defense is really really good from the front end to the back end. Ohio State is an ELITE program and will continue to be so and Ryan Day is a good coach. He has lost 3 games in the last two years and that's EXCELLENT. As a Michigan fan, I was furious at Harbaugh for keeping Don Brown so long and this really hurt Michigan when they could have been playing with OSU all along during Harbaugh's time even practically beating them in 2016 in the Shoe, however, it didn't bounce their way. Michigan under Don Brown played the EXACT scheme as Knowles and Knowles came from Ok State in the Big 12 which is notorious for not playing defense and high scoring. For years, Michigan's offense was really average and once they were behind then that was it. The Michigan defense under Brown gave up big play after big play and he was too stubborn to change his "Man" philosophy. In 2019, Michigan plays Alabama in the Citrus Bowl and Brown plays man coverage on Devonta Smith-BAM (first play from scrimmage torched for a 70 yard bomb! I know how OSU fans feel right now. OSU cannot play man coverage the entire game. Can you imagine them playing Southern Cal with Caleb Williams and those WR's? Even worse playing Georgia who would manhandle them across their OL and DL like they will probably do to Michigan again if they play.

Jim Harbaugh changed it up during Covid he went from a pro style QB to a Dual threat and a smash mouth OL Along with fast defenders with power

I have watched so many of these by Ohio players and analysts and this is the first group that got it right. Good for you. What’s better is it aged well too. 5 months after the fact you guys look like professionals to me. I know how hard that must have been. ❤

I mentioned this in their previous video, but i really appreciate these guys for keeping it real

The former Ohio State players saying they wouldn't have allowed Michigan players to plant the flag on the field sound like guys that just never had to deal with losing to Michigan so now they're having a hard time accepting the loss and want to talk tough. Don't want Michigan players celebrating in your house? Then don't lose to Michigan in your house. It ain't like they vandalized the stadium so dry your eyes and move on.

I just love how mad Tim is still 2 or 3 days later about the game 😂

I am a Michigan fan, but let's give the Buckeyes credit for what should have been a win against Georgia in the semifinal. My heart goes out to the kicker.

As a Michigan fan I’m happy to have a legit rivalry again ! Go Blue and looking forward to another 10 year war possibly 〽️

OSU put nine guys in the box in the first half and were burned on long touchdowns, this continued early in the second half until OSU relented and then Michigan’s running game (Donovan Edwards) went off…
The only way OSU could stop Michigan’s running game was #s that left OSU susceptible to a passing attack…

That is also a HUGE PROBLEM, Ohio State has got to learn how to adjust their game plans at halftime/ make adjustments during the game! Ttun made adjustments at halftime in every game this season and dominated 2nd halfs. All year! Ohio State seems to never change what they're doing, how they're doing it during the game or at the half. They usually just end up getting a big play, or talent and depth win them the game. That has to change!

The reason is the rivalry gets labeled as the best is because of history. What they say about history? You don't learn form it, you repeat it. Have to give credit mainly to that guy I cannot stand for making the changes he and his program needed in order to reestablish themselves as rivals. A coach able to pass on 4 and short when everything rides on the conversion ius certainly capable of getting his team back in The Game. Thanks to that team for exposing it.

This reminds me of when Herb Brooks told his 1980 Olympic Hockey team "You can't win on talent alone." For years Ohio State won "the game" before it was even played. In the last 2 years, Michigan has changed the narrative of the rivalry. It looks like Michigan is the new bully on the block and they're obviously not intimidated by the Ohio State aura or 5* talent. Turns out, that coach up north is pretty good. Not only that but they're pretty good at coaching up and developing lesser quality talent. Ryan Day needs to move away from the finesse offense his wants to the power/spread teams Urban had. The only way to beat Michigan is to be more physical and out work them cause the days of just showing up with all these talented 5*s is over.

So true about toughness - this Buckeye team lack Mental Toughness. That rests on the coaches and the players! As stated this was a program failure!

Never disheartened Michigan then took a lick and came back every time!! Michigan knew second half it was over 😭😭😭 best second half team 〽️💙💛🏈

I love watching the Ohio state fans after a loss it’s thé funniest 😂
And I am from Columbus
I mean the funniest

That old guy complained about the pass interference in the endzone and demonstrated against the other guy. Everyone knows if you watch football at all that if the defender touches the receiver and does not have his head turned toward the ball it is mostly going to be called.

Ohio actually had a fake punt perfectly set up on that 4th n 5 but the center didn't direct snap to rb , instead snapped to punter , if u rewatch the play u can see it was perfectly set up good thing the center didn't do his job .GO BLUE!!!

Why did we stop balancing our play call with the run and pass? First drive we balanced it out. After we stopped running the ball when we actually needed to (not on 1st and 35) and abandoned Hayden and stopped rushing with Xavier Johnson.

Good point on lack of mental toughness! We were tight and nervous and not confident, even in first half! As a psychologist this needs to be addressed---OSU-Mich has always been high pressure-why can some coaches and players handle it and others not? Goal: Controlled, focused rage!

I listened to Joel Klatt's discussion with Dave Revsine on the Big Ten Network, and Klatt said that Michigan is the better team on the interior of both lines and he believes that is the primary area where Michigan has improved, in order to win these last 2 games in the series.
On offense, I thought our interior linemen held their own and played well, but I can't say the same for our defensive tackles, at least not late in the ball game.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that Michigan's big runs are right up the middle, see those gaping holes, and acknowledge that the interior of the Ohio State defensive line is where the problem starts.
Going forward, we have to do a better job of recruiting high-level defensive tackles. Maybe use the portal. We have Hall, Williams and Hamilton and we recruited Kanu last year, but that's not addressing that position adequately enough if we're going to improve our chances of beating Michigan.

Michigan is the best 2nd Half team in college football period. Holding the last 6 opponents to 17 points in the 2nd half. To top it off outscoring the last 6 opponents 84-3 in the 4 qtr. This win was inevitable for MICHIGAN. Buckeye tears for the next 363 days will be so sweet. It will be another ass kicking by Michigan in the Big House next year.

All the things you mentioned in regards to the metal toughness comes through good coaching. Everything that went wrong did because of Coaching. I'm so thankful for the guy in the hat that gets that. Thi sis Ryan Days loss and he needs to own that!!!!

At 18:20, the Buckeyes were going for it on fourth and five. They had a fake punt set up that would have resulted in a touchdown or first and goal. It was there. Could drive a semitruck through that hole. The long snapper didn't execute the fake, so the punt was nearly blocked and a big play and momentum shift to Ohio State was killed. Instead of regaining the lead the defense now becomes ultra-aggressive and gives up big plays by being out of position. I hope we get another shot at them soon.

Now I am more pissed at Day. I thought D. Hadden was injured in practice but was being hushed. He earned the right to play! Even one series. Great job managing a loss with caution.

We played like 6 true frosh lol. Michigan is going to be pretty darn good for the future because they develope amazing

Defense was obviously coached to stop the run but ignored any passing.

Chip played great. The running back thing was smart. I think chip being 230 lbs was going to be hard for them to bring down. If anything I think they shoulda played chip more and just ran the shit outa chip. He was averaging like 6-8 per carry for most part. We just couldn't convert on big 3rd and 4th downs

These excuses are killing me 😂😂😂Buckeyes got absolutely dog walked

We're still waiting for that 100 spot Ryan Day said he was going to put on U-M last year

Accuses only make us feel good for a little while. Put on your big boy pants, and accept you got owed again, you experienced the best two years in a row. There's no lesson like a bought lesson. 😭

Funny how shocked OSU is they lost again…UM is a great team, and better than last year. It may be 3 in a row next year in AA.

OSU should of stayed with a quick snap offence,they had mich off guard because mich defence couldn't set up in time to stop OSU but at half time they switched to playing to the clock and gave mich time to adjust to a slower offensive play calling

Again, kudos to the Wolverines, they won. Was there things we could have and should have done better ? Of course there was. That's with every game. I couldn't agree more with the statement about this game doesn't make or break or your season. The hell it doesn't ! Obviously, it wasn't preached enough to some players or some players are all about "me". This "GAME" is why you either want to play in Ann Arbor or Ohio State! This was a program failure especially they we lost, not as much that we lost but the way we lost. Disappointed.

Mich did to Ohio St exactly what they did to everyone else this year in the 2nd half

Half time is more of what didn't happen in the OSU locker room compared to adjustments in the other team's locker room.

No one is talking about Okie's strip sack of CJ Stroud. That was a BS call.

Sports trends, like all trends, will swing back and forth--usually slowly. We have had the upper hand for almost 20 years and it may just be their time now (hope not). Spencer is correct. This is a program failure--like death by a thousand little cuts. Hire a consulting firm like UFM did for 2014: Tim Kight & Co. That worked well then. Sometimes an outside perspective can make a huge difference.

i know i can jump a lot higher when someone isn't interfering w/ me so it's possible he could've jumped another 6" on that endzone pass, possibly catching it. that didn't change the outcome of the game all by itself but i've seen refs not call PI in similar situations.

Four big plays resulting in td's did us in. Knowles has said that his defense gives up big plays and that's unacceptable. It reminds me of Don Brown of ttun and his man to man aggressive defense which didn't work and he's gone. Knowles must change his mind set and be willing to use a zone defense at times and teach the secondary to LOCATE THE BALL!

What the hell is up with our team..
Really missing Urban right about now. Our teams under Day have no grit. No drive. All finesse, no power and hunger. No toughness in Ryan Day teams.
Also, I blame most of this on our offense. We’ve had one of the best offenses in the country all year. We should’ve at least been able to win a shootout. This is our first year under coach Knowles. Our offense really sputtered Saturday. I really thought we’d be able to put up way more points than they did.

as a Michigan fan that watched Michigan fall from grace in 2007 I feel like the difference in this rivalry is always the Offensive and Defensive line, Michigan beat OSU up in the trenches, plus that defensive scheme was horrendous, Jim Knowles sucks

A lot of this screams of confidence issues in the coaching staff and the quarterback... I believe Kevin Wilson and Ryan they are the offensive coordinators which is a problem as well because their philosophies are very similar they want to throw the ball way too much they don't care about game control the team does not play with confidence when it counts and way too much finesse on offense now would you really want to see this team on the field against Georgia? If they suffer another blowout loss there has to be major changes yes Ryan day has a record of 45 and 5 but that stuff is padded by Rutgers and Maryland of the world when he's had to step up against major competition he's choked for the most part he has one playoff win in those 50 games

By the way loveland if a true frosh who has been playing really good all year so he was definitely a guy us mich fans knew could have impact plays

WHAT A GREAT GAME!

Before you disparage Loveland, he's a freshman.

You are right to long runs in 4th quarter lbs get caught inside and d tackle turned out of his gap responsibility. The Michigan OT blocked our d tackle in gap he wanted to at level 1 and lb at 2nd level on both runs!

Old Buckeyes remember when Rex Kern waved the punter off the field in his third game and Woody said "That's my boy"! Hayes respected leadership that happens in a flash. Hayes respected Kern's desire to rise to the occasion. Day need to own his failure to back his leader on the field!

Could it be that the pressure all year unravels these young men?

Helps to have a father who was a head coach and a brother as a head coach in the NFL...guaranteed John has had an influence on what the Michigan program has become.

Ohio State forgot that this is a rivalry game. It’s understandable why that happened. They had won 17 of the last 20 games against Michigan. “The Game” is back and Ohio State needs to accept that fact and prepare accordingly. They are not going to win this game by throwing the ball on 65% of their plays. They need to run the ball well and bring back a balanced offense if they’re going to beat Michigan.

Tackling, TACKLING, TACKLING!!!
Coaches had their faults in the game without any doubt. On both sides of the ball. Day getting too conservative, Knowles getting too aggressive(blitzing without the need) but players have to tackle! Mental discipline needs to be infused into this team. False start penalties, pass interference, unsportsmanlike conduct are all mental discipline, preparation, and self control. These are things that are coached all year, we had these issues ALL SEASON! Never fixed, that's coaching! 💯
The last 2 TD runs by edwards, untouched, that's mental breakdowns. The defense gave up, especially the last one. They were no longer playing for the game, they were playing for PRIDE at that point, and GAVE UP!!! THAT, is more disturbing to me than losing the game. They were broken 💔 at that point. Where were the defensive leaders? The Mike Doss of this defense? The AJ Hawk? Someone to stand up, grab a facemask or 2(or 4) and say "what the 🤬 are we doing, FN HIT SOMEBODY" get a stop for our offense "THIS IS OUR HOUSE, OUR PRIDE" and on offense? NO LEADERSHIP! None of the players or coaches got fired up, emotionally charged, on the sideline to get this team picked up, fired up to go out there and make a play. In the past they had that player, or those players on one if not both sides of the ball, not for a couple years now! #GOBUCKS

Watching the game in Powell Ohio. The best team won.

That's pretty generous giving the coaches a pass. Your DC played the Don Brown defense and found out why he's not coaching at UM now. UM can only hope Knowles runs it again this year.

I think stroud lack to run Ryan days play calling bad defense man it's all across the board. This is why urban always recruit running QBs because they can get you out of bad situations stroud doesn't do that. He runs side line to side line in hopes to find A open man when he can really run and pick up the first down and move on. In my opinion I believe it's alot to do with the player's look back 2 years ago they played more tough

Yeah man!!! That initial drive of SCRIPTED PLAYS sure was special😂😂😂😂

Sorry fellas, when you went to 1 and 35, Michigan wasn't playing attack mode defense. They gave you back 30 yards . If it's 1st and 20, Michigan is gonna play a more aggressive defense to hold you.

Blake didn't even play a whole possession. I think it was 2 downs

We have a procedure problem. Ryan Day needs to turn his play calling duties over so he can really see the tone of the game. Coming out trying wrinkles instead of going turbines full blast is totally on Day. Prove you can stop Marv after we'll pivot. Day is scary at calling his own games now. The signs we've seen throughout the year once again came full circle. Offensively we been stuck in neutral it just gets highlighted in games against our rivalries

I said it before and I'll say it again you can't always be number one look at Alabama they had two losses here we are Ohio State and we have a loss to our rival but it's shame on us

Defensive failure. I agree. AND how much of the defensive play is predicated upon OSU’s failure to score like they should have in the first half? How much is because Knowles felt like he had to break the game open? Just sayin’. Go Bucks!

Strong take it from the weak, but the smart take it from the strong, Give credit to your opponent who has talent, OSU has no respect for Michigan and thought they just would show up and win.

That head butt out of bounds was thug ball and why people disliked OSU!

What went wrong? This team hasn't been hungry since they beat Clemson. Michigan is now firmly the best team in the conference. Hey Tim, it is the coaching. Meyer's influence is gone. He wanted his team to play angry.

The coaching at corner and the Offense is the problem

Defense! Schemes and performance....maybe it's an Ohio thing....very much resembles the Browns

CJ is a great kid with exceptional arm talent, and I wish him nothing but the best, but I feel his weakness is not having a killer instinct and putting the team on his back. He operates best with a clean pocket and relay on his WR to get open.
Sorry, outside of Marvin... Emeka and Jillian have not proven they are man-beaters.

Db's have been super super awful all year. Only time we masked it was if we got to qb b4 he passed but everybody passing game was killing our dbs

It's so easy to shut down the pass with 2 deep safeties if you know the coach across the field refuses to run the ball to win the game. Ohio State abondoned the run yet again and became one dimensional. Ryan Day consistently neglects the run game which is why we have poor RedZone numbers. Then we wonder why we're not great in short yardage situations. Well you neglect the run game everytime and then when you need it your SOL.

Thy got outcoached that damn simple

There is clearly a predictable formation problem. We saw a UM DE drop back in coverage and bat down a pass because he knew exactly what was coming. Ryans offense is built on bland scheme with great playmakers. There is no seperation, the blocking responsibilities are far too heavy....the scheme is predictable. I do not blame the defense.... these offensive woes have been happening ALL YEAR... and most ignored it. The defense held when it needed to, there is no reason this explosive weaponry couldnt combat UM...or any team for that matter on offense.

Ohio State coaching is primarily what went wrong, all the way from in-game decision-making (not going for it on 4th down in 3rd quarter, loading the box and leaving only a couple of players to run down a player who gets thru the line of scrimmage, horrendous tackling skills which should be basic, etc) to pre-game planning to motivating the team (much like Urban Meyer used to do -- and who beat Harbaugh 4 times). The coaching MUST change or they will certainly get demolished in Nov/23. So Gene Smith has some serious decisions to make or this situation will deteriorate even more.

We got a DC for 2 mil that's been a DC for 80 years, who by his own admission, basically has to learn on the job how to call his defense that takes 3 to 4 years to fully implement...Can't wrap my mind around that.

Yea Mays right, there was nothing there be done after the game, OSU had their chance to stop the celebration from happening. Like what do these former players think should happen? Don’t let OSU become MSU.

Damn, the truth hurts but needed to hear it. No thanks on another beat down in CFB playoff. The culture needs to change ASAP!

Your suffering makes us Michigan fans kinda happy, lol. Go Blue

What went wrong? Two words: Jim Knowles. When it was obvious we weren't going to win, instead of selling out against the run, we should have guarded against the big plays. Losing by 10, we'd be in the playoff window. Instead, no safeties to stop the run? Come on! Let Ryan go to the NFL, promote Hartline.

And where was Dallan Hayden ?

OSU 20 - 17 MICH 1st Half
OSU 03 - 28 MICH 2nd Half
Guess what coach and team made adjustments at halftime. 🤔

Or maybe you don't run wide against speed. They've tried that outside stuff all yr and failed. The middle was soft for the run and the pass. How does off coordinator not see that????

This a tough watch 😂😂😂
Goooo Blue💪🏾Ⓜ️

Michigan broke OSU on Saturday. The Wolverines now run the B1G. It's a sea change. Recruits are going to flock to Michigan, as will transfers.

First drive was scripted plays and alot of times that goes smoother. Than when its time to start making play calls things can change. Michigan didnt change anything on offensive lol. They made zero adjustments at half. ZERO! They stuck to there game plan that they came in with and just are a great 2nd half team. The lean on ya and lean on ya until you break. They have done it all season and osu was no different

Would love to see Alabama vs Ohio State.

Michigan being a second half adjustment team was fine in the big ten but they start off pathetic in playoffs and was too much to overcome. Michigan needs better first half next year because you guys are going to be even throwing more next year trying to build up first half lead.

_'Analyzing what went wrong in Buckeyes rivalry unraveling'_ ?????
*Michigan is back!,* and unlike the days of Denard 'shoelaces' Robinson, we aren't relying on one of two players.
*_Go Blue!_*

Obsession can be unhealthy at times

Its great to be...
A michigan wolverine!

Yeah, i was really shocked they let the flag plant happen.

Mane I thought it was just me but #8 all season at the TE all ways missing key blocks!!

Nothing went wrong...Ohio State played the best they could....this was the result.

It was too sunny last Saturday and the OSU didn't have any sunscreen! 😂😂

I’ve never played football. I’m an avid fan but I’m not a scheme or systems guy. But when Michigan lines up with a tight end as an eligible receiver on a 3rd and 1, and I’m watching the game in person live, and I think to my self “someone better stay on that TE” and they throw a jump pass on a totally broken coverage, how do college players and coaches at this level miss that?!?!
Both long touchdown run plays were identical play calls with the exact same result. Horribly coached defense.

Tough loss there

Go blue! End of discussion 💪🏽💛💙〽️

I think if TCU loses they still get in. Unless they get destroyed! I agree with the notion OSU doesn’t deserve to get in the playoff regardless. That game was embarrassing! I also don’t wanna see them play in the rose bowl again smh