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Ohio State: Analyzing what went wrong in Buckeyes rivalry unraveling

  • Published on Nov 27, 2022 veröffentlicht
  • Lettermen Row was in the Horseshoe to break down the loss to Michigan on Saturday, and now it’s back inside the Horseshoe to re-examine everything it learned from the rivalry game - and what exactly went so wrong so quickly in the second half of that game.
    How were the Buckeyes blown out at home in the biggest game of the year? What can we learn from Ohio State as it tries to recover? Can the Buckeyes still make the College Football Playoff after that humbling loss?
    Spencer Holbrook, Andy Backstrom and Tim May are breaking down how the Buckeyes fared with the newest Lettermen Row video: The Monday After. Every Monday following Buckeyes games, Tim, Andy and Spencer will reconvene and chat about what they saw Saturday afternoon. #OhioStateFootball #OhioState #CFBNews
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Comments • 404

  • M Ran
    M Ran 6 months ago +89

    I loved Donovan Edwards answer when a reporter asked him to comment on his long TD run. He said “which one?”😂

    • Cb Williamss
      Cb Williamss 6 months ago +5

      Well there was 2 of em

    • Mike Gee
      Mike Gee 6 months ago +4

      Donovan had a helluva a game. A game full of superheroes and Edwards is like Superman around A2

    • Kenyada Walker
      Kenyada Walker 6 months ago +1

      Followed by the Beavis and Butthead laughs w/ he and JJ🤣

    • Bend Dover
      Bend Dover 6 months ago

      Love these guy's take on the loss.

    • Brad Dunay
      Brad Dunay 5 months ago

      Horrible D once again for OSU!!!

  • Old Man Camping
    Old Man Camping 6 months ago +50

    OSU going to the Big 12 to find a defensive answer is like going to the strip club to find true love

    • Saint Michael
      Saint Michael 6 months ago +5


    • Mike Gee
      Mike Gee 6 months ago +10

      I didn’t know they had DCs in the Big12.

    • legacyns1
      legacyns1 6 months ago +4

      Jim Knowles is Don Brown warmed over. That was a 3rd graders defensive plan. OSU fans are still running around talking about giving up 10 rushing yards in the 1st half completely ignoring what it cost them to get that result. 🤣

    • dp 116
      dp 116 6 months ago +3

      Haha great point. The Big 12 hasn't played defense in 20 years!

    • Buckguy 1
      Buckguy 1 6 months ago +1

      Jim Knowles is NOT THE PROBLEM! All he can do is put players in position to make plays. He can't go down there and TACKLE for them. TACKLING has been a problem all year in the secondary. Safeties are supposed to be SURE TACKLERS, that's why they're Safeties! Cam brown missed a tackle that can't be missed. Ransom missed a tackle that can't be a miss tackle. Hickman is too good to panic in coverage to get a crucial PI call on 3rd and 12. Some mistakes were made by Knowles, but MORE mistakes were made on the field by the players. Losing guys in coverage? Again, Knowles calls the defense, it's the players who execute the plays! Getting caught with eyes in the backfield, losing track of players, not getting your man on the ground when you know that you're the last line of defense, that's a mental toughness! Get that man down, no matter what it takes, you have to make a sure tackle! 💯 TACKLING! Get that man on the ground, period!

  • alexanderrcm
    alexanderrcm 6 months ago +28

    I don't know what happened to OSU during halftime, but as a Michigan fan, going into halftime only down by 3 had me thinking we've got you right where we want you. Let the fireworks begin!

    • Philip Alvarez
      Philip Alvarez 6 months ago +3

      I was thinking , we're about to win this again going into halftime.

    • steve p
      steve p 6 months ago +5

      What happened at halftime was that Ohio state was selling out to stop the run in the first half. They got torched deep. In the second half they moved their safety back to defend that. Once they did that it opened up Michigan's running game.

    • Mike Gee
      Mike Gee 6 months ago +5

      Smash Fest football and JJ and Donovan took over.

    • Walt Sears
      Walt Sears 6 months ago +4

      Precisely. You guys took our best punches and were still in the game. We lost this game by failing to go up big when we had the chances. Win on Saturday!

  • Adam
    Adam 6 months ago +16

    That stadium is something else. Amazing how quiet it is when the 〽️ band isn’t playing Hail to the victors.
    I’ll give Day some credit since he said they were going to hang 100 on Michigan. After 2 games he’s half way there and should get to 100 by 2024.

  • Mike Gee
    Mike Gee 6 months ago +12

    Tale of two halves, OSU took away the run in the first half and UM hung in there with the pass and big plays. Then UM leaned on their identity, Smash Fest running football in the 2nd. It was brilliant and genius.

  • Bradley Thomas
    Bradley Thomas 6 months ago +6

    Michigan's defense is really really good from the front end to the back end. Ohio State is an ELITE program and will continue to be so and Ryan Day is a good coach. He has lost 3 games in the last two years and that's EXCELLENT. As a Michigan fan, I was furious at Harbaugh for keeping Don Brown so long and this really hurt Michigan when they could have been playing with OSU all along during Harbaugh's time even practically beating them in 2016 in the Shoe, however, it didn't bounce their way. Michigan under Don Brown played the EXACT scheme as Knowles and Knowles came from Ok State in the Big 12 which is notorious for not playing defense and high scoring. For years, Michigan's offense was really average and once they were behind then that was it. The Michigan defense under Brown gave up big play after big play and he was too stubborn to change his "Man" philosophy. In 2019, Michigan plays Alabama in the Citrus Bowl and Brown plays man coverage on Devonta Smith-BAM (first play from scrimmage torched for a 70 yard bomb! I know how OSU fans feel right now. OSU cannot play man coverage the entire game. Can you imagine them playing Southern Cal with Caleb Williams and those WR's? Even worse playing Georgia who would manhandle them across their OL and DL like they will probably do to Michigan again if they play.

    • BuckNut87 Brutus
      BuckNut87 Brutus 6 months ago

      I stated the exact same thing on this feed. Brown was one-dimensional and Knowles has many different versions of his defenses, he best be thinking about using them. Day has shown he will not hesitate to remove any coach not meeting the high standard Buckeye Nation demands. Ttun lost 4 games in 2020 that gets you fired in Cbus!

  • Dobs R
    Dobs R 6 months ago +11

    Jim Harbaugh changed it up during Covid he went from a pro style QB to a Dual threat and a smash mouth OL Along with fast defenders with power

    • Arthur Fonzarelli
      Arthur Fonzarelli 6 months ago +1

      Except last year they had Kate mcnamara at quarterback and he's the furthest thing from a dual threat quarterback they have. He's always had a smash mouth offensive line as that's been the strength of Michigan and as far as the fast defenders with power, this year they probably have the least amount of pro prospects then they had in the last couple years on defense

  • Michael McGregor
    Michael McGregor 25 days ago

    I have watched so many of these by Ohio players and analysts and this is the first group that got it right. Good for you. What’s better is it aged well too. 5 months after the fact you guys look like professionals to me. I know how hard that must have been. ❤

  • Skippy the Alien
    Skippy the Alien 6 months ago +20

    I mentioned this in their previous video, but i really appreciate these guys for keeping it real

  • Kurt Pittman
    Kurt Pittman 6 months ago +18

    The former Ohio State players saying they wouldn't have allowed Michigan players to plant the flag on the field sound like guys that just never had to deal with losing to Michigan so now they're having a hard time accepting the loss and want to talk tough. Don't want Michigan players celebrating in your house? Then don't lose to Michigan in your house. It ain't like they vandalized the stadium so dry your eyes and move on.

    • Andre Furtado
      Andre Furtado 6 months ago +9

      You wouldn't have to deal with Michigan planting their flag on your field if you didn't tell them you would hang a 100 on them

    • Noel Schuck
      Noel Schuck 6 months ago +1

      The point is they didn't allow that to happen because they won the game.

      RICKEY CHAVARRIA JR. 6 months ago +1

      Most of us don’t care about that petty shit ….Michigan always been this way cause they use to being out sons ….Ohio state is 10-2 on y’all in the past 12 years ….and even in this one Ohio state beat themselves they was controlling the entire first half even with mistakes ….so Ohio state again with more talent lost because they made a bunch of costly mistakes when they had the game right where they wanted it in the 2nd quarter

    • Sheneedsme
      Sheneedsme 6 months ago +5

      @RICKEY CHAVARRIA JR. So they choked again this year. Got it.

  • Rush Storm
    Rush Storm 6 months ago +4

    I just love how mad Tim is still 2 or 3 days later about the game 😂

  • freedok
    freedok 4 months ago

    I am a Michigan fan, but let's give the Buckeyes credit for what should have been a win against Georgia in the semifinal. My heart goes out to the kicker.

  • Andrew Shook
    Andrew Shook 6 months ago +21

    As a Michigan fan I’m happy to have a legit rivalry again ! Go Blue and looking forward to another 10 year war possibly 〽️

    • SCN Tech
      SCN Tech 6 months ago +1

      Michigan gifted Ohio State the Rich Rod era. Perhaps this is evening it out. Meaning the head scratching decisions, noted by the correct analysis

    • THE SPOT
      THE SPOT 6 months ago

      Don't get to over yourself things can change quickly

    • howie Richard
      howie Richard 6 months ago +3

      @THE SPOT osu is done for a long time. Sucks but that's life.. They haven't beat Michigan in 4 seasons and it's about to be longer..

    • BuckeyeGal373
      BuckeyeGal373 6 months ago

      @howie Richard Gets your facts correct! Its been 2 seasons and the 2020 season they didn't play because Michigan forfitted during covid! Don't kid yourself.

    • David de Hilster
      David de Hilster 6 months ago

      Right now, there is no rivalry. Until something changes drastically, the pendulum has shifted.

  • mark
    mark 6 months ago +13

    OSU put nine guys in the box in the first half and were burned on long touchdowns, this continued early in the second half until OSU relented and then Michigan’s running game (Donovan Edwards) went off…
    The only way OSU could stop Michigan’s running game was #s that left OSU susceptible to a passing attack…

    • Denton Young
      Denton Young 6 months ago +2

      Well, if they would recruit corners and safeties from somewhere other than the Blue Bayou School Of Defense...

  • Buckguy 1
    Buckguy 1 6 months ago +3

    That is also a HUGE PROBLEM, Ohio State has got to learn how to adjust their game plans at halftime/ make adjustments during the game! Ttun made adjustments at halftime in every game this season and dominated 2nd halfs. All year! Ohio State seems to never change what they're doing, how they're doing it during the game or at the half. They usually just end up getting a big play, or talent and depth win them the game. That has to change!

    • R M
      R M 6 months ago

      Michigan QB ran the ball in the 2nd half. That was their adjustment on offense. On defense, Michigan got a little more aggressive, giving different looks at the line of scrimmage, but it really comes down to Ryan Day not running the QB at all, making it easier for them to defend Ohio State.
      This game was checkers, not chess. Ohio State never made any adjustments, so Michigan didn't have to make the game too complicated. Michigan's OC admitted to having more plays ready that he didn't have to use. That's all on Day.

  • even blacker crow
    even blacker crow 6 months ago +8

    The reason is the rivalry gets labeled as the best is because of history. What they say about history? You don't learn form it, you repeat it. Have to give credit mainly to that guy I cannot stand for making the changes he and his program needed in order to reestablish themselves as rivals. A coach able to pass on 4 and short when everything rides on the conversion ius certainly capable of getting his team back in The Game. Thanks to that team for exposing it.

  • rct7 rct7
    rct7 rct7 6 months ago +3

    This reminds me of when Herb Brooks told his 1980 Olympic Hockey team "You can't win on talent alone." For years Ohio State won "the game" before it was even played. In the last 2 years, Michigan has changed the narrative of the rivalry. It looks like Michigan is the new bully on the block and they're obviously not intimidated by the Ohio State aura or 5* talent. Turns out, that coach up north is pretty good. Not only that but they're pretty good at coaching up and developing lesser quality talent. Ryan Day needs to move away from the finesse offense his wants to the power/spread teams Urban had. The only way to beat Michigan is to be more physical and out work them cause the days of just showing up with all these talented 5*s is over.

  • Chipt1982
    Chipt1982 6 months ago +11

    So true about toughness - this Buckeye team lack Mental Toughness. That rests on the coaches and the players! As stated this was a program failure!

    • David LeMaster
      David LeMaster 6 months ago

      I don't buy it for a second. Ohio State will be just fine. The last two years Ohio State has had a terrible QB. I know, I know, everyone thinks that CJ Stroud is great. HE's not!! He's completely over-rated. He's one-dimensional. He's slow-footed....never runs....and is incapable of running. This makes things pretty easy for a defense in an RPO situation. HE's not dynamic in any way. Sure, he can put up gaudy passing numbers, because against most teams he can stand in the pocket and survey the field. He has NFL receivers that get 5 yards of separation. But when Ohio State plays a team with equal talent, CJ Stroud stinks!! Next year The buckeyes will stomp Michigan, because some hard-luck NFL team will take Stroud off our hands. Don't believe me? Just wait.

    • David LeMaster
      David LeMaster 6 months ago

      @bomb pop I never said he was anything close. One dimensional. Enjoy this year....you guys earned it after being cowards and not wanting to see Justin fields in the shoe 2020. We'll see next year with Stroud gone.

  • Buras Bulo
    Buras Bulo 6 months ago +9

    Never disheartened Michigan then took a lick and came back every time!! Michigan knew second half it was over 😭😭😭 best second half team 〽️💙💛🏈

  • ric raddic
    ric raddic 6 months ago +6

    I love watching the Ohio state fans after a loss it’s thé funniest 😂
    And I am from Columbus
    I mean the funniest

  • Dennis Powers
    Dennis Powers 6 months ago +10

    That old guy complained about the pass interference in the endzone and demonstrated against the other guy. Everyone knows if you watch football at all that if the defender touches the receiver and does not have his head turned toward the ball it is mostly going to be called.

    • chuck brewer
      chuck brewer 6 months ago +4

      OSU defenders were never looking back for the ball, you don't look back you make it an easy PI call...

  • Omar Flores
    Omar Flores 6 months ago +2

    Ohio actually had a fake punt perfectly set up on that 4th n 5 but the center didn't direct snap to rb , instead snapped to punter , if u rewatch the play u can see it was perfectly set up good thing the center didn't do his job .GO BLUE!!!

  • Andh
    Andh 6 months ago +1

    Why did we stop balancing our play call with the run and pass? First drive we balanced it out. After we stopped running the ball when we actually needed to (not on 1st and 35) and abandoned Hayden and stopped rushing with Xavier Johnson.

  • Lisa Scherer
    Lisa Scherer 6 months ago +7

    Good point on lack of mental toughness! We were tight and nervous and not confident, even in first half! As a psychologist this needs to be addressed---OSU-Mich has always been high pressure-why can some coaches and players handle it and others not? Goal: Controlled, focused rage!

    • Woody Bear
      Woody Bear 6 months ago

      Because we didn't believe we could win, Shitigan did.

    • bomb pop
      bomb pop 6 months ago +3

      @Woody Bear u mean MICHIGAN BABY 🤣🤣😭😭😭😭😭

    • Saint Michael
      Saint Michael 6 months ago +1

      This is exactly what happened to the John Cooper teams in the 90’s. They would dominate their schedule right up to the Michigan game. All of a sudden they couldn’t make any plays on offense and the defense couldn’t stop the Michigan running game. Cooper’s Ohio State teams were much more talented than the Michigan teams they lost to in that era. I have to believe it was mental. There was so much pressure on those teams to beat Michigan that they folded the minute things didn’t go their way in “The Game.” Coach Day and the Ohio State teams in this era are going to feel that same pressure going forward. It will be interesting to see how they respond to this challenge.

    • legacyns1
      legacyns1 6 months ago +3

      Because we as fans have our biases about how good or bad we think our team or the opponent is. The guys playing the game can see what's actually happening real-time. All the pressure was on OSU. All the talk about last year being a fluke. OSU was going to get their revenge. The game was at shoe. Perfect weather. Michigan's top offensive and defensive players were out. Fans wanted blood and expected a blowout. OSU was tight because they realized it wasn't going to be a 1st round KO like many had been expecting. OSU is used to Michigan folding in the past. However, once Michigan punched back they knew they were in a fight that they could lose.

  • R M
    R M 6 months ago

    I listened to Joel Klatt's discussion with Dave Revsine on the Big Ten Network, and Klatt said that Michigan is the better team on the interior of both lines and he believes that is the primary area where Michigan has improved, in order to win these last 2 games in the series.
    On offense, I thought our interior linemen held their own and played well, but I can't say the same for our defensive tackles, at least not late in the ball game.
    It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that Michigan's big runs are right up the middle, see those gaping holes, and acknowledge that the interior of the Ohio State defensive line is where the problem starts.
    Going forward, we have to do a better job of recruiting high-level defensive tackles. Maybe use the portal. We have Hall, Williams and Hamilton and we recruited Kanu last year, but that's not addressing that position adequately enough if we're going to improve our chances of beating Michigan.

  • J
    J 6 months ago +3

    Michigan is the best 2nd Half team in college football period. Holding the last 6 opponents to 17 points in the 2nd half. To top it off outscoring the last 6 opponents 84-3 in the 4 qtr. This win was inevitable for MICHIGAN. Buckeye tears for the next 363 days will be so sweet. It will be another ass kicking by Michigan in the Big House next year.

  • BuckeyeGal373
    BuckeyeGal373 6 months ago +6

    All the things you mentioned in regards to the metal toughness comes through good coaching. Everything that went wrong did because of Coaching. I'm so thankful for the guy in the hat that gets that. Thi sis Ryan Days loss and he needs to own that!!!!

    • Big Woody
      Big Woody 6 months ago +3

      Day needs to be shown the door - he wrecked what Tressel/Meyer took 18 yrs to build. Day needs to take a pay cut or take a hike.Harbaugh did,Day makes 9.5 million. He recruited this team,he staffed it,he coached it,don't want to hear he's owning it BS,no shyt he had a year to correct mistakes and made it worse.Bite the bullet now and get a tough coach not a chronic chart checker

    • BuckeyeGal373
      BuckeyeGal373 6 months ago +2

      @Big Woody Exactly! Day inherited a dynasty and he ran into the ground. He blamed Kerry Combs last year and this year was even worst.

    • Eduardo Romero
      Eduardo Romero 6 months ago +3

      Who’s taking the blame this year, the turf monster?

  • GOD of GLORY Kings of Honor Ministries

    At 18:20, the Buckeyes were going for it on fourth and five. They had a fake punt set up that would have resulted in a touchdown or first and goal. It was there. Could drive a semitruck through that hole. The long snapper didn't execute the fake, so the punt was nearly blocked and a big play and momentum shift to Ohio State was killed. Instead of regaining the lead the defense now becomes ultra-aggressive and gives up big plays by being out of position. I hope we get another shot at them soon.

  • john d
    john d 6 months ago

    Now I am more pissed at Day. I thought D. Hadden was injured in practice but was being hushed. He earned the right to play! Even one series. Great job managing a loss with caution.

  • Mavrick
    Mavrick 6 months ago +7

    We played like 6 true frosh lol. Michigan is going to be pretty darn good for the future because they develope amazing

  • John Dix
    John Dix 6 months ago +1

    Defense was obviously coached to stop the run but ignored any passing.

  • Jackie Glassburn
    Jackie Glassburn 6 months ago

    Chip played great. The running back thing was smart. I think chip being 230 lbs was going to be hard for them to bring down. If anything I think they shoulda played chip more and just ran the shit outa chip. He was averaging like 6-8 per carry for most part. We just couldn't convert on big 3rd and 4th downs

  • does it come in black?
    does it come in black? 6 months ago +17

    These excuses are killing me 😂😂😂Buckeyes got absolutely dog walked

    • legacyns1
      legacyns1 6 months ago +3

      Their entire fanbase is delusional and still in denial just like their team and coaching staff... 🤣🤣🤣

    • Mike Gee
      Mike Gee 6 months ago +3

      They did. And JJ was allowed to cook and Donovan and the defense put a stamp on it.

    • Daryin Medley
      Daryin Medley 6 months ago +2

      No excuses from an OSU fan they just got whooped

  • Mark P
    Mark P 6 months ago +5

    We're still waiting for that 100 spot Ryan Day said he was going to put on U-M last year

    • Douglas Shaffer
      Douglas Shaffer 6 months ago

      That was said before the covid year when you all bailed out lol

    • Mark P
      Mark P 6 months ago +2

      @Douglas Shaffer yea so where's are 100 point ass kicking?

    • dp 116
      dp 116 6 months ago +2

      He forgot to mention 100 over 5 years 😂🤣

  • Peter Whitman
    Peter Whitman 6 months ago +1

    Accuses only make us feel good for a little while. Put on your big boy pants, and accept you got owed again, you experienced the best two years in a row. There's no lesson like a bought lesson. 😭

  • Darrell Williams
    Darrell Williams 6 months ago +9

    Funny how shocked OSU is they lost again…UM is a great team, and better than last year. It may be 3 in a row next year in AA.

    • CoachBeam
      CoachBeam 6 months ago +1

      Idk about that but I expect these games to be fun and close from now on. The Rivalry is way more interesting when it’s back and forth.

    • Darrell Williams
      Darrell Williams 6 months ago

      @CoachBeam agreed 👍🏻

  • Donald Forest
    Donald Forest 6 months ago

    OSU should of stayed with a quick snap offence,they had mich off guard because mich defence couldn't set up in time to stop OSU but at half time they switched to playing to the clock and gave mich time to adjust to a slower offensive play calling

  • Chris Castle
    Chris Castle 6 months ago +6

    Again, kudos to the Wolverines, they won. Was there things we could have and should have done better ? Of course there was. That's with every game. I couldn't agree more with the statement about this game doesn't make or break or your season. The hell it doesn't ! Obviously, it wasn't preached enough to some players or some players are all about "me". This "GAME" is why you either want to play in Ann Arbor or Ohio State! This was a program failure especially they we lost, not as much that we lost but the way we lost. Disappointed.

  • AaHa
    AaHa 6 months ago +4

    Mich did to Ohio St exactly what they did to everyone else this year in the 2nd half

  • Cottonwood Slim
    Cottonwood Slim 6 months ago

    Half time is more of what didn't happen in the OSU locker room compared to adjustments in the other team's locker room.

  • Odin1177
    Odin1177 6 months ago +5

    No one is talking about Okie's strip sack of CJ Stroud. That was a BS call.

    • Perris McKay
      Perris McKay 6 months ago +4

      Forward progress 2 seconds into a sack
      Home call but karma righted the ship on the next play 😆

    SUSAN JOYCE Sabo 6 months ago

    Sports trends, like all trends, will swing back and forth--usually slowly. We have had the upper hand for almost 20 years and it may just be their time now (hope not). Spencer is correct. This is a program failure--like death by a thousand little cuts. Hire a consulting firm like UFM did for 2014: Tim Kight & Co. That worked well then. Sometimes an outside perspective can make a huge difference.

  • D B
    D B 5 months ago +1

    i know i can jump a lot higher when someone isn't interfering w/ me so it's possible he could've jumped another 6" on that endzone pass, possibly catching it. that didn't change the outcome of the game all by itself but i've seen refs not call PI in similar situations.

  • BuckNut87 Brutus
    BuckNut87 Brutus 6 months ago +2

    Four big plays resulting in td's did us in. Knowles has said that his defense gives up big plays and that's unacceptable. It reminds me of Don Brown of ttun and his man to man aggressive defense which didn't work and he's gone. Knowles must change his mind set and be willing to use a zone defense at times and teach the secondary to LOCATE THE BALL!

    • Dennis Powers
      Dennis Powers 6 months ago +2

      Spot on! I root for Michigan. I remember Don Brown's defense philosophy. They called him Dr. Blitz. It worked awesome when you were playing lesser teams. But once you played a good team they would get torched.

  • Jim Beaux
    Jim Beaux 6 months ago

    What the hell is up with our team..
    Really missing Urban right about now. Our teams under Day have no grit. No drive. All finesse, no power and hunger. No toughness in Ryan Day teams.
    Also, I blame most of this on our offense. We’ve had one of the best offenses in the country all year. We should’ve at least been able to win a shootout. This is our first year under coach Knowles. Our offense really sputtered Saturday. I really thought we’d be able to put up way more points than they did.

    • Sheneedsme
      Sheneedsme 5 months ago

      28-3 second half is almost unbelievable. How does that offense only score 3 points with all that NFL talent.

  • Adam McMillin
    Adam McMillin 6 months ago +2

    as a Michigan fan that watched Michigan fall from grace in 2007 I feel like the difference in this rivalry is always the Offensive and Defensive line, Michigan beat OSU up in the trenches, plus that defensive scheme was horrendous, Jim Knowles sucks

  • T.R.O.Y
    T.R.O.Y 6 months ago +3

    A lot of this screams of confidence issues in the coaching staff and the quarterback... I believe Kevin Wilson and Ryan they are the offensive coordinators which is a problem as well because their philosophies are very similar they want to throw the ball way too much they don't care about game control the team does not play with confidence when it counts and way too much finesse on offense now would you really want to see this team on the field against Georgia? If they suffer another blowout loss there has to be major changes yes Ryan day has a record of 45 and 5 but that stuff is padded by Rutgers and Maryland of the world when he's had to step up against major competition he's choked for the most part he has one playoff win in those 50 games

  • Mavrick
    Mavrick 6 months ago +5

    By the way loveland if a true frosh who has been playing really good all year so he was definitely a guy us mich fans knew could have impact plays

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  • M F
    M F 6 months ago +10

    Before you disparage Loveland, he's a freshman.

  • Nick Tisone
    Nick Tisone 6 months ago

    You are right to long runs in 4th quarter lbs get caught inside and d tackle turned out of his gap responsibility. The Michigan OT blocked our d tackle in gap he wanted to at level 1 and lb at 2nd level on both runs!

  • Thomas Rossetti
    Thomas Rossetti 6 months ago

    Old Buckeyes remember when Rex Kern waved the punter off the field in his third game and Woody said "That's my boy"! Hayes respected leadership that happens in a flash. Hayes respected Kern's desire to rise to the occasion. Day need to own his failure to back his leader on the field!

    • Robert
      Robert 6 months ago +1

      Remember when Woody punched the Michigan runner as he was running down the sideline?

    • Petey Mac
      Petey Mac 6 months ago

      @Robert 😂😂😂

    • David LeMaster
      David LeMaster 6 months ago

      I don't buy it for a second. Ohio State will be just fine. The last two years Ohio State has had a terrible QB. I know, I know, everyone thinks that CJ Stroud is great. HE's not!! He's completely over-rated. He's one-dimensional. He's slow-footed....never runs....and is incapable of running. This makes things pretty easy for a defense in an RPO situation. HE's not dynamic in any way. Sure, he can put up gaudy passing numbers, because against most teams he can stand in the pocket and survey the field. He has NFL receivers that get 5 yards of separation. But when Ohio State plays a team with equal talent, CJ Stroud stinks!! Next year The buckeyes will stomp Michigan, because some hard-luck NFL team will take Stroud off our hands. Don't believe me? Just wait.

  • David de Hilster
    David de Hilster 6 months ago +5

    Could it be that the pressure all year unravels these young men?

    • CoachBeam
      CoachBeam 6 months ago +1

      Probably. But that’s what happens when you lose to the TTUN. It’s only gonna get worse until they win.

    • Neh Ru
      Neh Ru 6 months ago +1

      @CoachBeam But why should it? That all comes down to coaching. Coaches Tressel and Meyer had no problem getting them ready for it, but Cooper had trouble with it and it seems so does Day.

    • CoachBeam
      CoachBeam 6 months ago

      @Neh Ru pressure from the fan base, unfortunately. Day has never really had any heat on him but now he knows he’s coaching a one-game season essentially next year. I think you’ll see drastic changes in the offseason. He really needs an OC. Even the best pitchers still have catchers and it would help take away some of the arrogant play-calling and poor decision making.

  • JOB1925
    JOB1925 6 months ago +9

    Helps to have a father who was a head coach and a brother as a head coach in the NFL...guaranteed John has had an influence on what the Michigan program has become.

    • J
      J 6 months ago +4

      Obviously the last 2 defensive coordinators are from the Ravens. Jim has been running an NFL style defense for the last 2 seasons. Big on the interior, good Defensive ends/OLBs to seal the edge, hybrid safety/corners to tackle in space and blitz. LBs that can cover, and tackle. It’s pretty simple and it’s designed to beat OSU. And it has worked beautifully!

    • A. Barker
      A. Barker 6 months ago

      Really? They suited up?

    • David LeMaster
      David LeMaster 6 months ago

      I don't buy it for a second. Ohio State will be just fine. The last two years Ohio State has had a terrible QB. I know, I know, everyone thinks that CJ Stroud is great. HE's not!! He's completely over-rated. He's one-dimensional. He's slow-footed....never runs....and is incapable of running. This makes things pretty easy for a defense in an RPO situation. HE's not dynamic in any way. Sure, he can put up gaudy passing numbers, because against most teams he can stand in the pocket and survey the field. He has NFL receivers that get 5 yards of separation. But when Ohio State plays a team with equal talent, CJ Stroud stinks!! Next year The buckeyes will stomp Michigan, because some hard-luck NFL team will take Stroud off our hands. Don't believe me? Just wait.

    • J
      J 6 months ago +1

      @David LeMaster I’m sure you said Michigan was going to get stomped this year. Don’t see that happening Michigan has a lot of talent coming back next season. So I don’t see that happening

    • David LeMaster
      David LeMaster 6 months ago

      @J You know what happens when you "assume". negative. I knew we were going to lose. Stroud is horrible. One-dimensional.

  • Saint Michael
    Saint Michael 6 months ago

    Ohio State forgot that this is a rivalry game. It’s understandable why that happened. They had won 17 of the last 20 games against Michigan. “The Game” is back and Ohio State needs to accept that fact and prepare accordingly. They are not going to win this game by throwing the ball on 65% of their plays. They need to run the ball well and bring back a balanced offense if they’re going to beat Michigan.

  • Buckguy 1
    Buckguy 1 6 months ago +1

    Tackling, TACKLING, TACKLING!!!
    Coaches had their faults in the game without any doubt. On both sides of the ball. Day getting too conservative, Knowles getting too aggressive(blitzing without the need) but players have to tackle! Mental discipline needs to be infused into this team. False start penalties, pass interference, unsportsmanlike conduct are all mental discipline, preparation, and self control. These are things that are coached all year, we had these issues ALL SEASON! Never fixed, that's coaching! 💯
    The last 2 TD runs by edwards, untouched, that's mental breakdowns. The defense gave up, especially the last one. They were no longer playing for the game, they were playing for PRIDE at that point, and GAVE UP!!! THAT, is more disturbing to me than losing the game. They were broken 💔 at that point. Where were the defensive leaders? The Mike Doss of this defense? The AJ Hawk? Someone to stand up, grab a facemask or 2(or 4) and say "what the 🤬 are we doing, FN HIT SOMEBODY" get a stop for our offense "THIS IS OUR HOUSE, OUR PRIDE" and on offense? NO LEADERSHIP! None of the players or coaches got fired up, emotionally charged, on the sideline to get this team picked up, fired up to go out there and make a play. In the past they had that player, or those players on one if not both sides of the ball, not for a couple years now! #GOBUCKS

  • clifton mattison
    clifton mattison 6 months ago +12

    Watching the game in Powell Ohio. The best team won.

    • Mark G.
      Mark G. 6 months ago +3

      GO BLUE!

    • David LeMaster
      David LeMaster 6 months ago +1

      I don't buy it for a second. Ohio State will be just fine. The last two years Ohio State has had a terrible QB. I know, I know, everyone thinks that CJ Stroud is great. HE's not!! He's completely over-rated. He's one-dimensional. He's slow-footed....never runs....and is incapable of running. This makes things pretty easy for a defense in an RPO situation. HE's not dynamic in any way. Sure, he can put up gaudy passing numbers, because against most teams he can stand in the pocket and survey the field. He has NFL receivers that get 5 yards of separation. But when Ohio State plays a team with equal talent, CJ Stroud stinks!! Next year The buckeyes will stomp Michigan, because some hard-luck NFL team will take Stroud off our hands. Don't believe me? Just wait.

    • legacyns1
      legacyns1 6 months ago +3

      @David LeMaster And this is exactly why you got stomped the past 2 years.. Arrogance..

    • David LeMaster
      David LeMaster 6 months ago +1

      @legacyns1 big words coming from the guys who were too chicken shit to face Justin Fields in the shoe in 2020. That's okay though....see ya next year when Stroud is gone.

    • legacyns1
      legacyns1 6 months ago +3

      @David LeMaster More talk...scoreboard fella..

  • softshoes
    softshoes Month ago

    That's pretty generous giving the coaches a pass. Your DC played the Don Brown defense and found out why he's not coaching at UM now. UM can only hope Knowles runs it again this year.

    THE SPOT 6 months ago +1

    I think stroud lack to run Ryan days play calling bad defense man it's all across the board. This is why urban always recruit running QBs because they can get you out of bad situations stroud doesn't do that. He runs side line to side line in hopes to find A open man when he can really run and pick up the first down and move on. In my opinion I believe it's alot to do with the player's look back 2 years ago they played more tough

    • Sheneedsme
      Sheneedsme 5 months ago

      He could have had a running QB but he stupidly turned down JJ McCarthy and that guy will be back to haunt the Buckeyes again in AA next year.

  • Mark Reed
    Mark Reed 6 months ago

    Yeah man!!! That initial drive of SCRIPTED PLAYS sure was special😂😂😂😂

  • Tim Leineke
    Tim Leineke 5 months ago +1

    Sorry fellas, when you went to 1 and 35, Michigan wasn't playing attack mode defense. They gave you back 30 yards . If it's 1st and 20, Michigan is gonna play a more aggressive defense to hold you.

  • Andrew Lane
    Andrew Lane 6 months ago +2

    Blake didn't even play a whole possession. I think it was 2 downs

  • traplandmuzik
    traplandmuzik 6 months ago +6

    We have a procedure problem. Ryan Day needs to turn his play calling duties over so he can really see the tone of the game. Coming out trying wrinkles instead of going turbines full blast is totally on Day. Prove you can stop Marv after we'll pivot. Day is scary at calling his own games now. The signs we've seen throughout the year once again came full circle. Offensively we been stuck in neutral it just gets highlighted in games against our rivalries

  • Lana Schwartz
    Lana Schwartz 6 months ago +1

    I said it before and I'll say it again you can't always be number one look at Alabama they had two losses here we are Ohio State and we have a loss to our rival but it's shame on us

  • Walt Sears
    Walt Sears 6 months ago +1

    Defensive failure. I agree. AND how much of the defensive play is predicated upon OSU’s failure to score like they should have in the first half? How much is because Knowles felt like he had to break the game open? Just sayin’. Go Bucks!

  • Dave Even
    Dave Even 5 months ago +2

    Strong take it from the weak, but the smart take it from the strong, Give credit to your opponent who has talent, OSU has no respect for Michigan and thought they just would show up and win.

  • Bill Kramer
    Bill Kramer 6 months ago +7

    That head butt out of bounds was thug ball and why people disliked OSU!

    • Texas Longhorns
      Texas Longhorns 6 months ago +1

      Yeah because OSU is the only team in College Football to do that! Besides your a fool if you judge an entire team based one players actions.

    • Texas Longhorns
      Texas Longhorns 6 months ago

      @Bill Kramer by the way the OSU player who head butted the Michigan player was taken out of the game immediately following that action. So take your thug ball somewhere else.

  • Robert Valsi
    Robert Valsi 6 months ago +1

    What went wrong? This team hasn't been hungry since they beat Clemson. Michigan is now firmly the best team in the conference. Hey Tim, it is the coaching. Meyer's influence is gone. He wanted his team to play angry.

  • RJ Tv
    RJ Tv  6 months ago +1

    The coaching at corner and the Offense is the problem

  • Josh Mowry
    Josh Mowry 6 months ago +1

    Defense! Schemes and performance....maybe it's an Ohio thing....very much resembles the Browns

  • E Bear
    E Bear 6 months ago +1

    CJ is a great kid with exceptional arm talent, and I wish him nothing but the best, but I feel his weakness is not having a killer instinct and putting the team on his back. He operates best with a clean pocket and relay on his WR to get open.
    Sorry, outside of Marvin... Emeka and Jillian have not proven they are man-beaters.

    • Blue Cheese Network
      Blue Cheese Network 6 months ago

      Our RB game this year was shit so you blame a QB for using his arm talent instead of running what did that do for fields get him a natty?No but Imagine if stroud had chase young, Wade, Okudah, dobbins, fuller.. OSU hasn’t won a natty since 2014 you blaming stroud for that too?

    • E Bear
      E Bear 6 months ago

      @Blue Cheese Network
      Do you enjoy building strawmen? 🤡

  • Reginald Price
    Reginald Price 6 months ago

    Db's have been super super awful all year. Only time we masked it was if we got to qb b4 he passed but everybody passing game was killing our dbs

  • Tyler R.
    Tyler R. 6 months ago +1

    It's so easy to shut down the pass with 2 deep safeties if you know the coach across the field refuses to run the ball to win the game. Ohio State abondoned the run yet again and became one dimensional. Ryan Day consistently neglects the run game which is why we have poor RedZone numbers. Then we wonder why we're not great in short yardage situations. Well you neglect the run game everytime and then when you need it your SOL.

  • Gary Shope
    Gary Shope 6 months ago +12

    Thy got outcoached that damn simple

    • Account 22
      Account 22 6 months ago +5

      And outplayed, all of the above.

  • Old Ben
    Old Ben 6 months ago +2

    There is clearly a predictable formation problem. We saw a UM DE drop back in coverage and bat down a pass because he knew exactly what was coming. Ryans offense is built on bland scheme with great playmakers. There is no seperation, the blocking responsibilities are far too heavy....the scheme is predictable. I do not blame the defense.... these offensive woes have been happening ALL YEAR... and most ignored it. The defense held when it needed to, there is no reason this explosive weaponry couldnt combat UM...or any team for that matter on offense.

  • green postdoc
    green postdoc 6 months ago

    Ohio State coaching is primarily what went wrong, all the way from in-game decision-making (not going for it on 4th down in 3rd quarter, loading the box and leaving only a couple of players to run down a player who gets thru the line of scrimmage, horrendous tackling skills which should be basic, etc) to pre-game planning to motivating the team (much like Urban Meyer used to do -- and who beat Harbaugh 4 times). The coaching MUST change or they will certainly get demolished in Nov/23. So Gene Smith has some serious decisions to make or this situation will deteriorate even more.

  • duane carter
    duane carter 6 months ago

    We got a DC for 2 mil that's been a DC for 80 years, who by his own admission, basically has to learn on the job how to call his defense that takes 3 to 4 years to fully implement...Can't wrap my mind around that.

    • Dennis Powers
      Dennis Powers 6 months ago +1

      Dr. Blitz? Don Brown?

    • duane carter
      duane carter 6 months ago

      @Dennis Powers That's a good point of reference to begin to understand

  • air safe
    air safe 6 months ago +1

    Yea Mays right, there was nothing there be done after the game, OSU had their chance to stop the celebration from happening. Like what do these former players think should happen? Don’t let OSU become MSU.

  • luckyrocks1
    luckyrocks1 6 months ago +2

    Damn, the truth hurts but needed to hear it. No thanks on another beat down in CFB playoff. The culture needs to change ASAP!

  • robert cross
    robert cross 2 months ago

    Your suffering makes us Michigan fans kinda happy, lol. Go Blue

  • Chad Lerch
    Chad Lerch 6 months ago

    What went wrong? Two words: Jim Knowles. When it was obvious we weren't going to win, instead of selling out against the run, we should have guarded against the big plays. Losing by 10, we'd be in the playoff window. Instead, no safeties to stop the run? Come on! Let Ryan go to the NFL, promote Hartline.

  • Chris Castle
    Chris Castle 6 months ago +7

    And where was Dallan Hayden ?

    • T.R.O.Y
      T.R.O.Y 6 months ago +2

      Only 2 carries... That's another problem with game control and management

  • Doug Kirk
    Doug Kirk 6 months ago +8

    OSU 20 - 17 MICH 1st Half
    OSU 03 - 28 MICH 2nd Half
    Guess what coach and team made adjustments at halftime. 🤔

  • Patrick Green
    Patrick Green 6 months ago

    Or maybe you don't run wide against speed. They've tried that outside stuff all yr and failed. The middle was soft for the run and the pass. How does off coordinator not see that????

  • Perris McKay
    Perris McKay 6 months ago +2

    This a tough watch 😂😂😂
    Goooo Blue💪🏾Ⓜ️

  • octopus59
    octopus59 6 months ago +2

    Michigan broke OSU on Saturday. The Wolverines now run the B1G. It's a sea change. Recruits are going to flock to Michigan, as will transfers.

    • Jeff S.
      Jeff S. 6 months ago

      Relax brother, I know your excited about consecutive wins. I know I was when Harbaugh went 0-5. The buckeyes will be just fine & will continue to have top recruiting classes. We'll see ya next year!

    • David LeMaster
      David LeMaster 6 months ago

      I don't buy it for a second. Ohio State will be just fine. The last two years Ohio State has had a terrible QB. I know, I know, everyone thinks that CJ Stroud is great. HE's not!! He's completely over-rated. He's one-dimensional. He's slow-footed....never runs....and is incapable of running. This makes things pretty easy for a defense in an RPO situation. HE's not dynamic in any way. Sure, he can put up gaudy passing numbers, because against most teams he can stand in the pocket and survey the field. He has NFL receivers that get 5 yards of separation. But when Ohio State plays a team with equal talent, CJ Stroud stinks!! Next year The buckeyes will stomp Michigan, because some hard-luck NFL team will take Stroud off our hands. Don't believe me? Just wait.

    • Gary Rentschler
      Gary Rentschler 6 months ago +1

      @David LeMaster LMAO!! Whatever you're smoking, it's good sh*t!! Michigan is going to be loaded next year. Ohio St is going down AGAIN. You better win in the Shoe in two years, or this streak will get out of hand. Just ask Michigan about that. The pendulum is swinging. Mich just signed two recruits an hour after this game...who were there visiting Ohio St...lol

    • David LeMaster
      David LeMaster 6 months ago

      @Gary Rentschler what does that matter? Ohio State has had better recruiting classes than Mich both the last two-year? But mich has won? Good recruiting classes don't mean a thing. Just wait. NeXT year we'll be free of "stationary Stroud"......it''l be different.

    • Perris McKay
      Perris McKay 6 months ago

      The fact Jim has a direct line to the NFL running the BIG and possibly winning a natty will flip Michigan to the Bama up north.. jus watch

  • Mavrick
    Mavrick 6 months ago

    First drive was scripted plays and alot of times that goes smoother. Than when its time to start making play calls things can change. Michigan didnt change anything on offensive lol. They made zero adjustments at half. ZERO! They stuck to there game plan that they came in with and just are a great 2nd half team. The lean on ya and lean on ya until you break. They have done it all season and osu was no different

  • G.E. Smith
    G.E. Smith 6 months ago

    Would love to see Alabama vs Ohio State.

    • BSTPDeCon
      BSTPDeCon 6 months ago +4

      Not me. Bama would throw and run all over OSU.

    • Kareem Hawkins
      Kareem Hawkins 6 months ago


    • Gary Rentschler
      Gary Rentschler 6 months ago +1

      One lopsided score wasn't enough for you? Stroud isn't risking injury to play in a MEANINGLESS game. He's about to cash in on all those stat inflators against chump teams...lol

  • Sheepdog
    Sheepdog 3 months ago

    Michigan being a second half adjustment team was fine in the big ten but they start off pathetic in playoffs and was too much to overcome. Michigan needs better first half next year because you guys are going to be even throwing more next year trying to build up first half lead.

  • I bleed Maize & Blue
    I bleed Maize & Blue 6 months ago +3

    _'Analyzing what went wrong in Buckeyes rivalry unraveling'_ ?????
    *Michigan is back!,* and unlike the days of Denard 'shoelaces' Robinson, we aren't relying on one of two players.
    *_Go Blue!_*

  • JumpinJimmyjack
    JumpinJimmyjack 6 months ago +2

    Obsession can be unhealthy at times

    • Neh Ru
      Neh Ru 6 months ago +2

      Absolutely. OSU fans -- I'm one of them -- need to get a life outside of football. To quote a friend "It's a sick religion.". She's right.

  • dugbuiful
    dugbuiful 6 months ago +9

    Its great to be...
    A michigan wolverine!

  • A. Barker
    A. Barker 6 months ago

    Yeah, i was really shocked they let the flag plant happen.

    • Unreconstructed
      Unreconstructed 6 months ago

      Maybe if they didn't play like a bunch of pansies and punch ttun in the mouth this game, nobody is planting flags. Oklahoma did the same thing. They're over rated and have been since Meyer left. Period! Buckeyes are soft with a bunch of glass 5 stars and overpaid coaches. Corners have sucked for years

  • rocky gardner
    rocky gardner 6 months ago +3

    Mane I thought it was just me but #8 all season at the TE all ways missing key blocks!!

    • 6th MichCav
      6th MichCav 5 months ago

      Stover had the worst game. He was tackled for a loss early, dropped the 4th and 2 pass, had a touchdown knocked out of his hands, and tipped the last interception to Michigan. Poor kid.

  • Carochio
    Carochio 6 months ago +1

    Nothing went wrong...Ohio State played the best they could....this was the result.

  • Jive Patrol
    Jive Patrol 6 months ago +4

    It was too sunny last Saturday and the OSU didn't have any sunscreen! 😂😂

    • R Pryce
      R Pryce 6 months ago +1

      Well played! 😀

    • Neh Ru
      Neh Ru 6 months ago

      @R Pryce Ridiculous! It's like we have to lie to ourselves. It was clear from the Northwestern game that OSU's offensive line couldn't get the job done and they made the excuse of the strong wind, LOL. I can understand the wind affecting the passing game but What does the offensive line melting away against Northwestern's defense have to do w/ the wind?

  • CStockner
    CStockner 6 months ago

    I’ve never played football. I’m an avid fan but I’m not a scheme or systems guy. But when Michigan lines up with a tight end as an eligible receiver on a 3rd and 1, and I’m watching the game in person live, and I think to my self “someone better stay on that TE” and they throw a jump pass on a totally broken coverage, how do college players and coaches at this level miss that?!?!
    Both long touchdown run plays were identical play calls with the exact same result. Horribly coached defense.

    • Perris McKay
      Perris McKay 6 months ago +1

      They playing the #s game 99% of the country thought Michigan was running it

  • c r
    c r 6 months ago +1

    Tough loss there

  • AC
    AC 5 months ago +2

    Go blue! End of discussion 💪🏽💛💙〽️

  • Daryin Medley
    Daryin Medley 6 months ago

    I think if TCU loses they still get in. Unless they get destroyed! I agree with the notion OSU doesn’t deserve to get in the playoff regardless. That game was embarrassing! I also don’t wanna see them play in the rose bowl again smh

    • Tom Carb
      Tom Carb 6 months ago

      Then it'd be alabama, and I think both fan bases from Michigan and Ohio State would agree.. That's worse! No one wants that.

    • Daryin Medley
      Daryin Medley 6 months ago

      @Tom Carb I’m interested tonight to see where OSU is ranked tonight. There’s been talks about Bama even being over OSU at 5