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UK Worried Putin May Get Challenger 2 Tank Secrets, Takes These Urgent Steps l Russia-Ukraine War

  • Published on Mar 31, 2023 veröffentlicht
  • British Challenger 2 tanks are being taught to Ukrainian soldiers in the UK in preparation for use against Russia. The UK, being the first country to offer Western battle tanks to Ukraine, is now reportedly creating plans to retrieve the tanks if damaged. The UK government fears their secret armor and technology could be obtained by Russia, according to The Sun. Both the UK and Kyiv are collaborating to secure the Challenger 2 tanks.
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Comments • 517

  • Texas Papa
    Texas Papa 2 months ago +23

    When you build a weapon, one must expect losses

  • 无理由被封号一定要申诉,极可能是被中共黑了,不要使用任何装机流氓软件,可能有木马。Af 化

    One of my ideas is to produce some decoy tanks without core secrets for the opponent to pay a larger loss to obtain, and then use the official version on a large scale.

    • TOYMAK3R
      TOYMAK3R 2 months ago +2

      @Cantaloupe Virus 57k rubles to USD is $815.28. $815 to try and storm a position under heavy fire for a tank worth several millions. They'd be wasting their lives for less than 1k just to try and get a tank worth millions... At that point I wouldn't even bother if I was a Russian conscript. That's like saying my life would be worth about as much as an Xbox or a PS5. F THAT!

    • Cantaloupe Virus
      Cantaloupe Virus 2 months ago +5

      @Kritish Bhattarai Russia put a bounty of some 57k Rubles to whoever destroys or captures American or British tanks. For a nation that is largely impoverished, that would make capturing vehicles a major priority.
      Also, the US has literally staved off attacks with inflatable/wooden tanks. Hell, Ukraine made Russia think they were out of HIMARS months ago due to making mock targets for the Russians to attack.

    • Wolf Thorn
      Wolf Thorn 2 months ago

      Russia has inflatable decoy tanks.

  • Evil Fingers
    Evil Fingers 2 months ago +4

    1. Do not send the Challenger II to Ukraine.
    2. Do exactly what the US is doing with the Abrams that are going to be sent Ukraine.
    3. Option #2 is the best choice if the Brits want to prevent the secrets of the tank's armor to fall into Russian hands, but would also make the Challenger II much easier to knockout with conventional armor piercing rounds from a Russian AFV/IFV and ATGMs at any range.

  • jlv61560
    jlv61560 2 months ago +20

    Since Chobham armor was first invented in the 1970s, I very much doubt the Russians don't already have the technology. Also, if the Brits are going to put those kinds of restrictions on the tanks use, they might as well keep them, since they will do no good for Ukraine. If you're afraid to put tanks onto the battlefield, all they really are is a static display somewhere.

  • KTMs 1
    KTMs 1 2 months ago +4

    Exactly what said, check my posts, these will never see the front lines as NATO is terrified of loosing these, they are more symbolic piece like a big statue in a town square. Same for M1s , only the Leopard will see combat as the will “export approved” models that are +30 year old technology and seeing they can be destroyed by single advanced penetrating weapon of any modern type. Just like all modern tanks! They need so much more to be effective.

  • Nacht 103
    Nacht 103 2 months ago +11

    soviet-era tanks will go to front of Challenger 2 and leopard 2 for scouting and situational awareness with Drone for them as their shield and Abrams will stay at their behind as last defense as last stage in order to save fuel consumption and ammunition. Brandley, marder and AMX-10RC will support and protect Soviet-era tank at front of western tanks.

    • ElgartV
      ElgartV Month ago

      Go ahead commander we march!😁

    • Joveyln Dicdican
      Joveyln Dicdican 2 months ago

      @GENETIC BEAST you're not the sharpest tool in the shed are you.The TOS is for leveling areas not for chasing tanks.
      They would need the tanks to stand still within range for around 20 minutes to have any chance.
      TOS is not HIMARS.

    • Nacht 103
      Nacht 103 2 months ago

      @hon liong it’s not russian anymore, but it was made in Ukraine. so no one care about it lol

      GENETIC BEAST 2 months ago

      @hon liong TOS ,- A1 Will take out those tanks 😀👍

    • hon liong
      hon liong 2 months ago +1

      So you need Russian made tanks to protect the Leopard and Challenger tanks?

  • Wayne Wilson
    Wayne Wilson 2 months ago +7

    According to Tass, a large chemical manufacturer in Russia has agreed to pay $70,000 to each soldier that captures or destroys western tanks. That is a driving incentive for certain.

    • A Macca
      A Macca Month ago

      Might have to get involved am skint

    • Jey
      Jey 2 months ago +1

      $72000 precisely

  • Karl Hofmann
    Karl Hofmann 2 months ago +15

    It would be expected that with the number of C2s there will be a couple of CRARRVs to repair or recover back to safety... I'm pleased that the C2s sound like they will be travelling to Ukraine with full armour to protect the crews..... Always take what the "Sun" says with a huge pinch of salt

    • Karl Hofmann
      Karl Hofmann 2 months ago +1

      @Daniel Whyatt the added armour on Challenger2 is removable but it is silly to send these vehicles to fight without all of their armour... I believe that the issue with the Abrams armour is that it uses depleted uranium in it and the US has strict rules on the export of such materials so it has to be replaced with tungsten before it can be sent to Ukraine...

    • Daniel Whyatt
      Daniel Whyatt 2 months ago

      Yeah, I’m at least glad that, unlike with the US tanks, they will be going with all they extra armour still on. I’m gueeessing this’s because they might not be removable.

  • Brian
    Brian 2 months ago +19

    If Russia *does* get an example of the Challenger 2 tank, then they'll at least be able to bring their tank technology up to where the West was 20 years ago, because that's when the Challenger 2 was developed. It has now been superceded by the Challenger 3, with uprated systems and armour, which won't be going to Ukraine.....

    • Bill bob
      Bill bob Month ago


    • fusionrain
      fusionrain Month ago

      What the British is really worried about is that the Russians may get their hands on Dorchester level 2 armor found in the current variant of Challenger 2 tanks.

    • James Hill
      James Hill 2 months ago

      @Steen Romme They sent in the T90m (2020) which was their latest delivered production tank. One was captured intact and it was sent to the US to be dissected this summer. They also have completely new T14 Armata that they claim will be delivered after 2023 to the military. Not sure if that time frame has changed or not.

    • Hlatki
      Hlatki 2 months ago +1

      Challenger is so good that only 2 countries use it

  • Charles Teton
    Charles Teton 2 months ago +3

    Not sure you can class The Sun as a newspaper, toilet paper maybe. We, UK and US, are supporting Ukraine as per the Budapest Memorandum, if we had stepped up in 2014, this war would probably not be happening. Hopefully they don’t use the AA or RAC for recovery as it takes them 8-10 hours to recover a Land Rover Defender, in my experience. 😂

  • Joe O
    Joe O 2 months ago

    Only way to do this is to limit it's use in the frontlines as much as possible.

  • Sam Korkees
    Sam Korkees 2 months ago +3

    Send another tank to retrieve the damaged tank in a war zone. Simple. Just set up a stop war sign. Remove the tank and then restart the special military operation

    • Wolfvale
      Wolfvale 2 months ago

      Yes they are negotiating a "pause button" with Ruzzia right now. There should be no problems...everybody appreciates a break from time to time.

  • Zero Type
    Zero Type 2 months ago +5

    In war there is no best tank , the best is the user ..

  • cornebod
    cornebod 2 months ago +1

    Great, so the 1st target is the foreign recovery crews then take out the tank🤗

  • Paul Laymon
    Paul Laymon Month ago

    Russia has already said that if NATO tanks use uranium armor piercing rounds they will consider it a nuclear attack against Russian soldiers and will counter with a nuclear response.

  • Umesh S
    Umesh S 2 months ago

    Sending private military contractors would be the beginning of a direct confrontation!

  • Ekcupcha
    Ekcupcha 2 months ago +1

    If you want to ensure that the secrets of the tanks sent to Ukrain will be safe is sure to make it unsafe.

    • Elton Salvador
      Elton Salvador 2 months ago

      I'm sure that those that are training the Ukrainians on how to maneuver the advanced tanks, are also teaching them protocols on how to destroy those tanks in case of capture

  • Lets go Brandon
    Lets go Brandon 2 months ago

    0:40: Dead men walking; 3:34: "Having private military contractors on standby to recover the tanks". Who they might be, these contractors?

  • TheDonKilluminati
    TheDonKilluminati 2 months ago +1

    Before it was Ukraine getting gifted russian tanks, now it will be ukraine gifting russia these new tanks 😆

  • Eddie
    Eddie Month ago

    It's like when you lend a shoe to some one and you give instructions on how to walk 🤣🤣🤣

  • Corrupt Russian
    Corrupt Russian Month ago

    Russia knows everything there is to know about the Challenger. Nothing new to learn, just a good trophy.

  • uwebfity
    uwebfity 2 months ago

    As if Challenger 2 has some secrets why Sunak need to pretend to worry ? Should more focus on the War goes out of control and no return point.

  • Fred JumboF
    Fred JumboF 2 months ago

    the more simple and secure is not use the tanks in " near fight "!

  • Joveyln Dicdican
    Joveyln Dicdican 2 months ago

    Challenger 2 is a fairly old but still one of the best tanks in the world.
    You could give Russia one and they still do not have the technology and funds to try and copy it.
    Plus they will be to busy running away.

  • ☀️Md Talha Ahmed
    ☀️Md Talha Ahmed 2 months ago +2

    No doubt it will fall and its an opportunity

  • CweeD
    CweeD Month ago +1

    Equip Challenger 2 tank's with self-destruction system. ✌️

  • hon liong
    hon liong 2 months ago +2

    I noted that Russia will pay big bounty for Leopard tank, but a Challenger tank is not mentioned. Does it mean that they are worthless to the Russians?

  • joe mango
    joe mango 2 months ago

    If one if the challenger is destroyed by ally that means those rpg shot at it are not properly use and or old model's of rpg

  • Daniel Martin
    Daniel Martin 2 months ago

    That was why I was vehemently opposed to sending these tanks. Insane that this is only now a concern after the authorization was given .

    • mobius378
      mobius378 2 months ago

      its 20 years old its ok man really

  • José Tavares
    José Tavares Month ago

    Keep the tanks safe😂 for god sake, it’s a war…😅

  • jannmutube
    jannmutube 2 months ago

    ---- > Military contractors who can stand by to collect the tanks sounds like the best idea. This is why Ukraine needs planes, air support for their tank operations.

  • Eric West
    Eric West 2 months ago +8

    I mean lol, tanks primary role as weapon is to advance and break the enemy lines.I watched a US General on CNN say Russians couldn't make a A1M1 even if we send them one as gift in 10 years.They have no tech or the materials to do it is basically what he meant.

    • Grimoc
      Grimoc 2 months ago

      @Baba “TheGoodMan” Samba imagine still believing what Russian says after they have been proven wrong so many times....
      Especially when it comes to what they have killed and destroyed.
      Please provide facts from independent sources.

    • Alex Perez
      Alex Perez 2 months ago +2

      @Baba “TheGoodMan” Samba
      I don't think the US or the UK is interested in trying to copy an irrelevant Leica camera. Lol.

    • Alex Perez
      Alex Perez 2 months ago +3

      @Baba “TheGoodMan” Samba
      Russian high tech army? Lol.
      The same Russian "high tech" army that can't even provide socks and body armor to their troops?

    • Baba “TheGoodMan” Samba
      Baba “TheGoodMan” Samba 2 months ago

      BTW When we send a Leica M6 mechanical analog camera to USA or UK they can not imitate these . Not in 100 years.

    • Baba “TheGoodMan” Samba
      Baba “TheGoodMan” Samba 2 months ago

      But a T 90 is a much better tank than an A1M2. Better electronics, armour and motor. But all tanks can easily being killed. It all depends on the tank crew. The Saudis have a 7 year training for Leopard crews. But Houti kill them from time to time. Abrams and Challengers are not for a war against a Russian high tech Army !!! Even Leopards not !
      The Ukrainians lost all nearly 2600 armoured vehicles , 1600 Tanks included. All destroyed by Russia. All the 160 000 original Army is killed. The reserves now in 2nd generation are only 60 000 old men and Nazis. Russia can endless take in from their 52 Million reserve Army and 1.3 Million regular , wich is still in Russian barracks waiting for more Nato to kill !

  • Oliver Closehoff
    Oliver Closehoff 2 months ago

    They may get secrets from lepeard ,challenger and the Abrams!

  • Dean Firnatine
    Dean Firnatine 2 months ago

    The Abrams will not be "neutered" the extra armor made of depleted uranium will be replaced with extra armor with tungsten instead, the US did that with other exported versions of the Abrams as well.

    • Wolfs Winkel
      Wolfs Winkel 2 months ago

      "Tungsten for its part is dense but brittle. It tends to shatter on impact. When the U.S. Defense Department investigated tungsten outer armor back in 1960, it came away disappointed. “The use of a hard [tungsten] facing does not appear worthwhile for improvement of the ballistic performance of armor,” the testers reported."
      Source: Forbes, Jan 27, 2023, 06:23 pm EST

  • Lz
    Lz 2 months ago +6

    Putin: I wasn’t bluffing joe 😏

  • francis karl nathan manio

    Combine old Soviet tank and western modern tank use combine forces to safe Abraham Challenger leopard

  • snacks 118
    snacks 118 2 months ago

    The Challenger was designed to fight Russian tank's, you cannot worry about secrets being taken. The secrets of the armour will probably be too hard for Russia to replicate anyway, even if they could replicate it, it would take a large number of year's before they can mount it or redesign anti tank missiles.

    • Baba “TheGoodMan” Samba
      Baba “TheGoodMan” Samba 2 months ago

      BTW When I go to Scotland I pass England fast. Everywhere I see only Pakistani, Indian Hindi, Black carribeans and such guys. England is not England anymore. Even the PM is Hindi Indian. How can Pakis and Hindi produce tanks. They have rifles, spears, and sticks to fight. England can even not rule the country without the help of Hindi Indians \Pakistani.

    • Baba “TheGoodMan” Samba
      Baba “TheGoodMan” Samba 2 months ago

      Inform yourself ! Russian tank armour is much better than English trash. Technologie never was a British thing. Best armour has Russia and Israel.

    • Yachtie4life
      Yachtie4life 2 months ago +2

      Your extremely naïve

  • Phuck nuts.
    Phuck nuts. Month ago

    Quoting “the sun” 😂

  • graham197103010
    graham197103010 2 months ago

    Challenger 2 is over 70 tons!!! Russian support vehicles, bridges, and tanks can carry/pull 46 tons! It would be Ukraine equipped to retrieve from the battlefield!🤔

  • Tandu Tayu
    Tandu Tayu 2 months ago

    I think 🤔 the technology of challenger tanks could not be hide from Russia. If tank is destroyed, it would be impossible to transfer to safe zone in war events?.

    CURTIS UWUIGBE 2 months ago +1

    The challenger 2 is just another tank, a sitting doc for anti-tank missiles and drones.

    • R.G. Galvan
      R.G. Galvan 2 months ago

      That’s the difference with Russian and Western doctrine. The Russians allow their tanks to push out into the open without support from forward troops. That allows for all those videos of lone tanks being blown up by a rocket or missile fired from enemy ground troops. The West will not have tanks do that. They are always supported with forward troops. Also western tanks have better optics. The Abrams can sight and shoot from 6k out. 10k on flat treeless terrain. They aren’t sending the fancy armored plating with the tanks.

  • Omega Z
    Omega Z Month ago

    I wouldn't be at all surprised if ruZZia hasn't already had their hands on this and other western tanks. The U.S. has obtained nearly everything ruZZia has produced.
    Note the Chobham armor has went through multiple upgrades and improvements. Just send them with a prior Chobham armor if concerned.
    As to reverse engineering. Much easier said then done. Take something with a dozen ingredients and you have billions of possibilities of which only a few combinations will give a similar result.
    It's true that with today's technology, you can determine what and approximately how much of each element it contains. But unless you know how it was processed and how it all comes together, it means very little. Consider a rum cake made with rum, but the end product contains no alcohol.
    China's been trying to reverse engineer ruZZian jet engines(supplied by ruZZia) for over 40 years, but are just now getting something close to being practical. India has been at it nearly as long as China.
    The U.S. with access to all the western expertise probably does reverse engineering better than anyone else, but it is complex and doesn't always work out.
    I once had associations with a metallurgist who said there's billions of possible metal combinations and we have no idea what the outcome of them would be until we actually do it. We are comparably in the stone age in understanding the science of metals.

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  • P Mann
    P Mann 2 months ago +1

    I say Russia will have one in a week or two. One S300 or S400 per tank.
    And all the support and wrecked tank recovery staff goes with it.

    • Edd Park
      Edd Park Month ago

      Just like the other tanks they will end up with them LoL

  • Herve Cyprien wansi

    Good news for the Russia 🇷🇺 admits

  • Rolfe Horne
    Rolfe Horne 2 months ago

    These concerns reveal the underlying flaw in all NATO thinking: the certainty that large scale war would never happen again. What's the point of building them if you can't use them.

  • Balls In-holes
    Balls In-holes 2 months ago

    Lmao let’s just announce this to the world, why don’t you. Going through this training is not going to be the same when you get in the five yard line. It’s a start, but once it’s for real, with no respawns, it’s a whole new ball game. This isn’t light infantry anymore. Now you’re restricted in line of sight. And have 5 secs to make decisions, or that’s all she wrote for you.

  • John Allen
    John Allen 2 months ago

    Have 1 Para on standby for battlefield recovery.

  • Dan
    Dan 2 months ago

    If I'm Putin I would have no reservations sacrificing 50,000 soldiers to recover one challenger 2 tank.

  • Andrew Schubert
    Andrew Schubert Month ago

    All good intentions, however this now places the highest price on their tanks. With the Wagner criminals in play, they will likely shape the battle to capture a Challenger tank as a trophy and extra cash bouns!

  • Sooryan_101
    Sooryan_101 2 months ago +3

    Just leave it to the warthunder forums for all secrets

  • Oliver Closehoff
    Oliver Closehoff 2 months ago

    Not really sure if nato even remembers how to fight a large scale ground war! If you don't train for it ! You can't do it !!

  • skyarpenter
    skyarpenter 2 months ago +2

    Whatever the type of tank, you have to be damn brave or completely mad to wage war in these barbecues.

    • Big D's Gaming
      Big D's Gaming  2 months ago

      @Terry Mullins was is not is

    • Terry Mullins
      Terry Mullins 2 months ago +1

      I thought Crimea was Russian ?

    • Big D's Gaming
      Big D's Gaming  2 months ago

      I feel bad for my fellow YT viewers . It is sad that none of you see this upsurge in war equipment is for building a unified force capable of punching through orc defense lines and taking Crimea back . It is all the armor combined together as a unit making a Thunder Run of 3000 mobilized Uke troops taking and holding Orc defenses . No one remembers the Blitzkrieg and it is being readied right now again

    • Terry Mullins
      Terry Mullins 2 months ago

      @Tom Henry that's because you only hear one side of the story in the west .

  • Gregory Smith
    Gregory Smith 2 months ago +1

    1:02 exactly why its not sufficient

  • M ALI
    M ALI 2 months ago +10

    i mean for all we know trained British, American, and German soldiers, in balaclavas could be out there in the battlefield operating the tanks that are being provided by the three countries, real possibility isn't it.

  • alan royal
    alan royal 2 months ago +13

    fit them with self destruct system in case of capture

    • ShastaLevi
      ShastaLevi 2 months ago

      Was thinking the same but they seem to more worried about the armour which means Russians would still be able to get samples in the event of self destruction. For tech Russia seems to be doing fine but production is where they falling short

    • John Booth
      John Booth 2 months ago +1

      @Stephen or a certain ignition sequence that if not performed correctly would initiate self-destruct

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      Stephen 2 months ago

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    • Maria Adele Cagna
      Maria Adele Cagna 2 months ago

      Gli should 5alk of peace!

    CURTIS UWUIGBE 2 months ago +1

    The Russian Armata is superior to the challenger, leopard and abrams.

  • Vicamu
    Vicamu 2 months ago

    why building a tank if you don't use it ?

  • Thirsty
    Thirsty 2 months ago

    Fighters have less to lose...

  • Rajesh Kumar
    Rajesh Kumar 2 months ago +1

    Ghost will recover these tanks 😂😂😂

  • Marie Ngegba
    Marie Ngegba Month ago

    A situation will happen where your tank crew well abandoned the tank and run for his life and we the Russians will come and role it to safety for you and then up grade it to fight against you. Amen🙏🏿

  • Amoroso Gombe
    Amoroso Gombe Month ago

    A ship is safe in harbour but that's not what ships are for.

  • 876_ zabbz
    876_ zabbz 2 months ago +7

    The best way to keep those tanks safe is to bubble rap them 😂😂

    • Edd Park
      Edd Park Month ago

      No the best way to keep them safe is to not send any of them not from Germany not from America not even from England

  • Humperdoo Saves
    Humperdoo Saves 2 months ago +3

    These tanks are old and the challenger 3 is on the way. I get they are careful but it would be naive to think russia hasn't obtained tech specs..... everyone spies on everyone

    • 99 ron
      99 ron 2 months ago +1

      @Humperdoo Saves They probably can't recreate the exact recipe, but could get pretty close. I agree they are going to lose , and rightfully so.
      But I look forward to the day when the good people of Russia, and areas under its control, get to live under a better regime and in peace with us all.

    • Humperdoo Saves
      Humperdoo Saves 2 months ago +3

      @99 ron ye, of course they can't recreate it, they can't even get their new tanks to ride, so i am not worried regarding this at all. Russia is just done at this point. No one will let them win. Putler played his little game and lost.

    • 99 ron
      99 ron 2 months ago +2

      Absolutely, to think Russia doesn't have a pretty good idea about Chobham or Dorchester armour is silly. Even without the spying or selling of industrial secrets, their own engineers could probably figure it out. I bet we even used some Russian ideas that we knew about in the development of it.

  • Chris Walters
    Chris Walters Month ago

    I don't think the Russians would care. The Challengers won't have state of art sensitive gadgets that you can be certain.

  • Rajesh Kumar
    Rajesh Kumar 2 months ago +3

    Comedian Zelensky should demand Ferrari cars from Italy to help the army escape the frontline. These tanks are not enough to save Ukraine.

  • Nick Harvey
    Nick Harvey 2 months ago +2

    Lol carry on we have challenger 3 tanks in production with a few already done 😂

    • Musa2013
      Musa2013 Month ago

      A few produced for how many military men?

  • Welingkar Tr
    Welingkar Tr 2 months ago +7

    The fact that the UK is worried about the Challenger getting into the hands of the Russians tells you they are not confident about the outcome of a battle where these tanks maybe involved.

    • sjjlp
      sjjlp 2 months ago

      @Welingkar Tr Understand ,but the United Kingdom are not operating the Challys ,So need to be careful just in case the Russian size one from Ukraine,It's not the Challys ability that's in doubt ,it's probably the most tested tank in Ukraine

    • Welingkar Tr
      Welingkar Tr 2 months ago

      @sjjlp I am just reacting to the news.

    • sjjlp
      sjjlp 2 months ago

      Wellingkar your talking fake again,

    • Dream Stepper
      Dream Stepper 2 months ago

      @Greg Nelson Battle of 73 Easting or you completely ignore that? That was modern for it's time.

  • Mike Starkey
    Mike Starkey 2 months ago

    The real secret of challenger is its armour, We've only given that to 1 country, it's unfortunate that that country gave it to every man and his dog. Uncle Sam strikes again.

  • Arkman
    Arkman 2 months ago

    Save your sleepless nights just go ahead and give Russia one of your tanks.
    There is no way anyone who has been given something is going to risk their life to save it when it has been destroyed.
    Your kids don't appreciate the car you give them, if it breaks they come back for another.

  • Clive Wright
    Clive Wright Month ago

    This is based on a couple of commonsense quotes from UK soldiers (eg: the UK will send recovery vehicles and train the Ukrainians on them), with a sensationalist spin by the tabloid Sun: the UK is 'afraid of the Russians capturing one', so is insisting on ridiculous conditions.
    The UK is realistic: there will be tanks lost, not all will be immediately recoverable, and recovery and repair should be planned for.
    I suspect that the 'conditions' are the opposite of the Sun's claims: use them as a force multiplier in fast and aggressive combined arms attacks.

    HELL RIDER 2 months ago +1

    He already got'em from War Thunder.

  • Ken Donahve
    Ken Donahve 2 months ago

    Typical British dithering. By definition any thing or person that goes to war can be lost or damaged ..by definition. Any attempt to preclude that possibility will involve limitations that come with a good possibility of causing increased negative affects. As needful as Ukraine is of these tanks, I seriously doubt they will allow restrictions or oversight. Slava Ukraine!!

  • Squire Praggerstope

    C2 was designed in the Cold War and likely has few secrets left by now, with the exception only of some of the more advanced armour packages that in any case will not include the very latest developments earmarked for the intended C3 upgrade. So OK, only 14 C2s have been sent and for various valid reasons, the main one being to pressure Germany into allowing Leopard2 to be provided as well. EVEN SO, THIS ABSURD VID'S CLAIMS are more reminiscent of the LOATHSOME EU's SCUM PROPAGANDA MEDIA or at max, our own spineless politicians and bureaucrats than of UK services personnel who know the realities of war themselves and will NOT expect or advocate ludicrous restrictions that would add yet more risk for UKRAINIAN forces.

  • Kiraaa
    Kiraaa 2 months ago

    Challenger 2 is the worst NATO MBT in frontline service today. It has 3 design features that make it uniquely bad, and no salient positive design features to compensate for them.
    Any analysis of the Challenger series needs to take into account that the tank was never meant for British service. It was designed for use by the Iranians when they were still under the rule of the Shah. This was never the best of the best that the UK had to offer. It was designed as a minimum viable product that they could sell to a tinpot dictator.
    The design that preceded the Challenger 1 was also famously bad, the Chieftain, a tank with an engine so weak it couldn’t even beat out the German Maybach engines from WWII that were smaller and more reliable. In peacetime, the Chieftain formations in Germany had a readiness rating of around 30%, which is appalling by any standard.
    To make all this worse, the Challenger 1/2 have about 2/3 of their frontal hull armor without any kind of NERA protection. It’s just a slab of RHA 80mm thick, which is bad even from WWII standards (the German Panzer IV G also has an 80mm thick lower plate). The driver’s port is also enormous, and has almost no armored protection at all. I suspect you can punch through it with a 35mm autocannon.

  • Dan P.
    Dan P. 2 months ago +5

    If Ukrainians couldn't manage T72 with Abrams and Leopard will break their fingers only once getting in.
    The innovation brought to Armata 14 by separating the crew from the turret is the most ingenious feature ever brought to a tank. Three crew members are fully protected in the main chassis and automated loading makes the Armata 14 the best tank ever made, leaving much behind the Abrams and its "turbine jet" as the biggest nonsense in building armored cars ever designed.
    Bravo Uncle Ivan! Please show Uncle Sam and Uncle Hans as well the middle finger as in Ukraine all the Abrams tanks will be burnt out in several afternoons as all the ordinary tanks on the field, including the mighty Leopard German tanks.

    • Dan P.
      Dan P. Month ago

      T34 reached in 1945 Berlin, but German Panzers have never seen Moscov.
      At Kursk in the summer of 1943 nobody won; they distroied each other...

    • Big D's Gaming
      Big D's Gaming  Month ago

      @Dan P. agreed and good comment

    • Dan P.
      Dan P. Month ago +1

      @Big D's Gaming Probably yes!

    • Big D's Gaming
      Big D's Gaming  Month ago +1

      @Dan P. you are missing my point . Ivan is a good tank builder but his tanks have steel hulls and he does not have the ability to make modern composite ceramic armor so Ivan's new Armata tank relies on a projectile defense system instead of a composite hull . The Armata crew sits inside watching it and when electronic warfare knocks it our they are blind . Some tank hey ? No wonder no one is buying them .

    • Dan P.
      Dan P. Month ago

      @Big D's Gaming Wrong! Even T72 uses composite materials as "flying" shields.

  • John Round
    John Round 2 months ago

    What does UK expect?

  • Kandy
    Kandy 2 months ago +2

    If one attack on the wheels or the chains from the side challenger will get stuck and fall into Russian hands. So, secrets also fall into the Russians.

    • Cat Katzi
      Cat Katzi 2 months ago

      ​@Tom Henryyes 1946 PM Clement Atlee, (Labour Party) gave the Rolls-Royce jet engine to the Russians which they copied

    • Tom Henry
      Tom Henry 2 months ago

      Like when the UK gave Stalin a RR jet engine

    • H H
      H H 2 months ago

      The ''track'', mbt do on occasion come off fact of tank life , if I was you my concern would be what is coming my way at a fast rate .

    • Kandy
      Kandy 2 months ago

      @Wolfvale I mean the belt on which wheels move. If that gets stuck end of the story. Those tanks should be displayed as souvenirs in the red square.

  • Herve Cyprien wansi

    God bless Mr putin

  • Vlad Snape
    Vlad Snape 2 months ago +7

    That Russia will get its hands on a Challenger 2 is inevitable. It is not a question of "if", but "when".

    • Vlad Snape
      Vlad Snape Month ago

      @Tom Henry It's 20 year old tech, so they do have the tech, and they probably already have the designs. So when they get hold of one, it will be displayed as a trophy on their news channels and then put in a museum.

    • Vlad Snape
      Vlad Snape Month ago

      @Brian Thanks to their spies, Russia probably already has the designs for the Challenger 2, so they probably don't actually need to get hold of one.

    • Brian
      Brian 2 months ago

      @Tom Henry They'll do what China does, and make a copy. Their logic being that if it *looks* the same, it *must* be as good.....

    • Brian
      Brian 2 months ago

      If they do, they'll be able to bring their own tank technology up to 20 years old, because that's when the Challenger 2 was developed. The UK now has the Challenger 3, with uprated system and armour.....and that won't be going to Ukraine.

  • Ahmed T
    Ahmed T 2 months ago

    Pretty sure that Russia will take these spoils as the previous ones.They're bidding for a big war but ultimately Ukraine will pay dearly for any nuclear war.

  • Believers Arise Now.
    Believers Arise Now. 2 months ago +1

    Sad time in the world

  • Andrew Smith
    Andrew Smith 2 months ago +1

    A good plan would be to use the Challengers to defend against any incursion from Belorussia or Luhansk.
    The worry is reasonable but let's not over estimate the ability of the Russiand to organise a p£$$ up in a vodka distillery.

  • Eli Salazar
    Eli Salazar 2 months ago

    Sounds like mom’s boy tank 😂😂😂

  • lostlogic69
    lostlogic69 2 months ago +1

    The real question is not whether Russia can know the secrets of the Challenger 2, but if there will be a Russia left to know the secrets.

  • vacuumunit
    vacuumunit 2 months ago +7

    Knowing Ukraine they probably would sell the tanks to Russia for a faction of the cost

  • Terry Mullins
    Terry Mullins 2 months ago

    We shouldn't be sending them anything, I wish they were so keen to help the British people.

  • John
    John  2 months ago +5

    Western tanks in ukraine is going to one of the biggest failures for Ukraine to date.

    • John
      John  2 months ago +1

      @Brian Well what did they send in? Mostly old models from 70s and 80s probably due to be decommissioned anyway over the next decade, and 3000 is no doubt a Ukrainian "figure". Meanwhile they have the Ukrainian navy, airforce and 90% of their armored brigades crippled. A few dozen unsupported western tanks are not going make any difference considering the volume of captured Javelins, NLAWs, Panzerfaust-3s that the Russians possess alongside their extremely formidable Kornet variants + RPG-29 and RPG-30, KA-52 gunships etc. The reward is a private offer from some Russian company I understand, apart from the propaganda effects of capturing western tanks, these examples are worth 10 times more to the Chinese, North Korea and Iranian intelligence agencies.

    • Brian
      Brian 2 months ago

      Sure it is. They're going to be so much of a failure, Russia is already offering a reward for anyone who can capture an example. What a strange thing to do, after saying they are all toothless tigers. You might think they were a little bit concerned after all..... And don't you think the Russian army sending it's tanks into Ukraine has been one huge failure? After all, they have lost almost 3000 of them....

  • Strictly Sport
    Strictly Sport 2 months ago

    A Russian wife turned to her husband and asked, "What's this special military operation our glorious leader keeps talking about?" Her husband replied, "It's a war to stop America and NATO." "Oh, right” she says “How's it going?"
    “Well” he replied “so far we have lost over 20 generals, 120,000 troops killed, countless injured, 3000 tanks, 300 aircraft, hundreds of helicopters, countless armoured vehicles, artillery and trucks, our flagship along with other naval ships, our army is being defeated in most areas and we have had to resort to conscription to replace our losses”.
    “Wow” replied the wife “what about America and NATO”?
    “They haven’t turned up yet”

  • Alfred Vojt
    Alfred Vojt 2 months ago +1

    The UAF has plenty of training removing ruZZian armor from the battlefield via tanks, bmp or farm tractors. Slava 🤣
    Slava Ukraini! 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦

  • Slakt
    Slakt 2 months ago

    somnone have any updates on Swedens CV90? are they gona send to Ukraine or is that just lies?

  • Nuke SarmatII
    Nuke SarmatII 2 months ago

    You think it's easy to carry a tank that you don't know how to use

  • Gomer Gomez
    Gomer Gomez 2 months ago

    There’s no point in giving Ukraine western tanks if they strip out what makes them better, hell if that’s what they do then they should have shipped all there older tanks long ago like leopard 1s.

  • Annie Cameron
    Annie Cameron 2 months ago +1

    Love that saying friendly fire America are number one at that they have it down to fine art

  • Ali Hyder
    Ali Hyder 2 months ago +1

    Russia has captureed a lot of western hardwares in this war including himars

    • bear claw
      bear claw 2 months ago +1

      Himars ?? I doubt it they are many many miles behind the frontlines. Ones supplied to Ukraine have a fifty mile range

  • Feizal Alias
    Feizal Alias 2 months ago

    If it can be destroyed, what is the purpose studying it useless secret armor technology? So that Russian can reverse engineer and study how not to destroy the tank? 😆

  • Rajesh Kumar M
    Rajesh Kumar M 2 months ago

    British tanks will fall apart even before firing a shot 🌟😀

  • A Macca
    A Macca Month ago

    Never been breached by enemy fire ?
    It was pierced by an IED in Iraq
    A challenger hit another challenger and killed 2 crew and blew itself to pieces so you know

    • smyers820gm
      smyers820gm Month ago

      No that’s not true. It took 100 hits in a single fight and had to return to get its sight fixed.

  • Ngamlalmuan Muan
    Ngamlalmuan Muan 2 months ago

    Send your troops too and let them see who you are fighting with

  • Subaru Impreza
    Subaru Impreza Month ago

    There is so much talk & hype about NATO countries providing F-16 to Ukraine....as if Russia is finished if F-16 enters the battle scene...
    While they might be having many reasons & compulsions to keep the war going and create hype for the F-16 market.... war is business opportunity for US
    BUT...they should remember our Wing Comm. Abhinandan had shot down their F-16 using a Russian origin Mig-21 .. 😬