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Bessel van der Kolk - how to detoxify the body from trauma
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- Published on May 25, 2016 veröffentlicht
- In an interview with Dipl. Psych., Dipl. Wi.-Ing. Bernhard Trenkle, Prof. Bessel van der Kolk illustrates the manifold consequences of traumatic experiences on body and mind, how trauma therapy can contribute to "detoxication" and which therapeutic methods are especially appropriate therefor. He briefly introduces his recent research project and enlarges on the development and capabilities of the fields of neurofeedback and mindfulness.
Bessel van der Kolk's Website:
www.besselvanderkolk.net
Website of the Milton Erickson Institut Rottweil:
www.meg-rottweil.de
"This is not a popular subject, just like traumatized people themselves are not popular people... because they remind us about how irrational society is". He really is an incredible speaker and writer
-Come over and see ‘I Sent Amber Heard's Lawyers A Letter... (The Amber Heard playlist!!)
Yes, it’s easier to blame the victim, than to work on yourself! 🙏
@Derek Wall Music 100%
Also, people don't want to look at their own traumas.
This statement was also pretty pregnant to me and I had to think about it.
No one said to me something in an offensive way but related to depression for example no one really "cares" what is the real meaning of a ptsd and how it affects the whole life and social aspects too in a negative way. Then when you realize that the people around you can´t get the basic understanding (there are many reasons why this works how it works, so no simplification please) then you start to isolate yourself by yourself, so it is an active and passive mechanism who is like a vicious circle.
Much love to all beings which are affected and of course all the rest
Why Dr. Van Der Kolk has not been given a Noble Prize says more about the prize than him. I just hope he knows how many lives he has changed, how many hearts he has touched and begun healing...there are simply no words to express gratitude and love for him.
Dr Gabor Mate as well. The two should cooperated on a book and talk but in our world they’re pitted against each other to compete for book profits and societal rewards vs just betterment of humanity.
NoBEL
Your comment speaks to what you don’t know about the Nobel prize. You would have to have extensive information about who the competitors are , how many are being considered and what they are bringing to the table. Yes, he’s very bright but all competitors are very bright and take innovation to a new level constantly. His not being chosen most likely means that others have done fat more.
Absolutely. His work changed my life and I am sure that of many other people.
We said I agree🕊🙏
Agree!
I am a trauma survivor. It set me up for getting raped twice. However, I am seeing my life as a triumphant piece of art. It comes out in my writing.
Inspiring. Thank you!
@Linda Everett Amen! I couldn't agree more. I'm on the forgiveness road right now, it's been tough but God is helping me to get there.
Wonderful🐞
Jesus has healed me from my past trauma as well. He also forgave those who hurt me and gave that to me as a gift as I could never do it on my own. My body still remembers and I’m allowing Jesus to soothe and heal that as well. It took a while for me to accept his love for me but now that I know I’m his precious girl, I can trust him and feel safe. I’m so grateful for the joy I live every day and I wish this for all of you beloved people.
Thank you Linda 🙏🏼
I am a survivor of trauma. You are the first person that I have heard say that Yoga works for PTSD.. Let me dust off my mat and start again. Thank you!!
Yes & if you’d like to try other things also consider meditation. Many studies have confirmed that it’s as least as helpful if not more so. A clean plant based diet has also helped msny people including myself. Western medicine is only recently stopped denying that diet influences trauma. They like us to support big pharma.
Yoga did a lot to help me heal! Definitely more than any medication. I lost 3 years of my life, my PhD and my career to anti-depressants....
You might like. Classical Stretch. I like it much better than yoga.
Dr. Van der Kolk's trauma centre has used yoga for many years to help trauma victims and I believed has researched it too.
This is included in his excellent book The Body Keeps the Score.
Of course it may not work for everyone but it can be effective for some. It had been helpful for me.
🙏❤️
Yes! Pharmaceuticals should definitely be considered “alternative” therapies, and bodywork considered “real” therapies.
DBT should be widely available. Training practitioners is not lucrative enough. Big pharma is all that matters.
Just saw this... I get body work done every month or 2 for about 2 years now.... how do ppl explain body work. My person is very blessed.
Wow! 'Drugs are the alternative medicine'. I'm sending this to my GP who has maintained for 21 years that 'some people' need to 'stay' on medication. My instincts have always been right. I am committed to one day becoming medication free 💪💪💪
Some people SHOULD stay on meds. There is no one size fits all solution. If going off meds works for you, great.
It is possible. I have finally done it. My main tool to manage the intense emotions when they come up is meditation based on breathing and body relaxation. Sometimes yoga. I like the Plum Village app but each person has to find tools and a mindfulness modality that works for them.
Wishing you peace and healing
@Mara Vivas Dear Maria I would also like to stop taking thyroxine
Can you please send me some information about how you did it !
Many thanks, kind regards, Francesca
Psych drugs ruined my life !!!
Trauma lives in the whole mind body, not out in the world. With few regulated people available to offer compassionate empathy to help one regulate, somatic release tools are the way through. Yoga, TRE (trauma release exercises), breathwork, sound healing (drumming, tuning forks), myofascial release, energy tapping all combined have been my life's restoration practice.
Accupressure massage can also release embedded emotions as these emotions are the ones causing physical pain. When the mind does not want to deal with the emotional pain, the pain then settles in the body.
wait....drumming is sound healing?
Do not forget dance as meditative! 5RHYTHMS and Open Floor.
Recovered? Fully healed?
Danse musique sport lecture écriture painting drawing....🙏
I heard an amazing interview - Krista Tippett interviewing Bessel van der Kolk. One thing he explained was the REASON why doing body movement (and this would include dance - not just yoga - maybe many things like Tai Chi, Chi Gong maybe even some sports) could heal trauma. I think a lot of people dismiss this idea as being "new agey," hippiesh, etc. No. He explains the research that shows how trauma changes the brain, how different parts of the brain become disconnected. In order to heal it's necessary, he says, to reconnect and reintegrate them. Body movement is what does this. I think he mentioned reconnecting the amygdala (where we process fear and threats) and the frontal cortex. He talked about his work with veterans and how for years, the VA refused to take him seriously. I personally believe that dance is an incredibly powerful tool for healing psychic trauma and goes virtually unused in our society as a healing therapy while we dish out drugs like there's no tomorrow.
Amen !!! 👣🌿🎼🌿👣
@Mark Walty I think it’s the other way round- you start moving your body to some music that makes you move, and the joy will come. All the best to you🌞
After my husband died I had a dance compulsion… never got into drugs or alcohol but I would go out to live shows and dance like a dervish. Always felt like I was a little selfish for insisting on all those nights out, but now I realize it was an essential component of how I survived those years
Thanks
Thinking that what you believe in is closest to the truth
We are all infants In understanding the human mind
I have no joy in my life so dancing will Not Work for me
Trauma gets "DISCOVERED" and "FORGOTTEN". I couldn't agree more. Mine gets forgotten like a file folder in a corporate office building in the 1980's. I've had a lot of difficulty around accepting that trauma has changed my brain and body. I've done a lot to numb my pain throughout my life.
This year, I began incorporating Yin Yoga into my life. It's a style stretches and targets both the deep connective tissues between the muscles, and the fascia throughout the body. Every time that I do it, I physically feel emotions being released from my body. Oftentimes, I feel so vulnerable afterward that I don't know what to do with myself.
Ultimately, this has been a healing year for me and I have to thank Bessel van der Kolk for that.
What an articulate lovely human you are! I'm so glad you found your way to yin yoga and back into the body. It's amazing how many people still don't know what trauma is stored in the body, not only the mind. Thank you for inspiring others. Best to you on your journey~
thats so beautiful and i can relate so well to doing n things to numb myself.. wish i can come back to this later, or when life gets tricky
@pageashleypage yoga definitely brings up emotions. I learned to be careful in poses where we look backwards, as sometimes that becomes literal, and can lead to tears. It is good to understabd that it's trauma making its way out of the body.
fascia remembers
I have done yoga for my mental health (I find it's grounding) and as exercise for about a decade. Recently I got out of a very traumatic relationship. It took me awhile, but I am doing yoga again for peace. I like yoga with adriene on Clip-Share, almost all her videos.
Two weeks ago I did a 20 minute video that focused on opening hips and chest; in the last 5 minutes of the video there was a move that felt very far from natural for me. I felt a swelling of bitterness and shame and started sobbing, while finishing up the routine. ("Reach your hands to the sky" *holds arms up, hands limp & sobbing* "FINE, Adriene!") Initially I disliked the video, and about thirty minutes later, when I realized it felt like a huge weight had been lifted, I went back in and added it to my favorites, and removed the "dislike." I had never finished a yoga session feeling SO SAD! I am thankful I recognized afterwards that it had been a release, and had nothing to do with Adriene or the move. I typically like sun salutation-based flows, this was more of a series of stretches.
I am beginning to practice pranayama yoga, different breathing techniques. I have found that a bit of exercise and a short pranayama video can turn my whole day around, if I had been feeling down or empty. I also have been reading about fascia, and how to improve it's well-being.
After The Event, my shoulders and back had been so tense and knotted, it changed the way I walked. I have been slowly trying to get full range of motion back. I always noticed I carry stress in my shoulders (after a long drive, for example, I usually have one big knot on either side that are really obvious).
Very interesting stuff here, I'm glad that others are able to share their experiences and what helped them!! It can be difficult to find ways to apply the clinical theories to our every day lives. Helps to know there are real people out there on the same journey. 😊🖤
Trauma has really made me an expert at survival. I literally have had to utilize so many coping mechanisms to get through. It's liberating to give my trauma a name and tell others that it follows me around. It has been so healing to be able to do that.
@Sweeting beautifully said. Who was it that said the past isn't dead; it isn't even past??? That says it all for me. Unspeakable trauma. I cope and wish I could forget. I'm only okay now, which is a million times better than I was before, but it never goes away. God bless all of us 🙏😘
Bessel's book 'The body keeps score' is utterly fascinating and extremely insightful/helpful. I have the utmost professional respect for Besel and find him a most empathic human spirit. I would love to see more videos of him sharing his perceptive insights... thank you very much indeed
I just read it. It's brilliant.
You become a survivalist after trauma.
I could literally feel my brain modifying itself to cope with the symptoms.
Indeed.
@Veronica Turtle Heart I hear coping strategies
Shhhhh! Don’t say that… I’m fine, really…
@Tnijo O your brain gets prepared for survival. Normalcy becomes obsolete
@Sean Padraig O Brien Wow. This is interesting. I had thought I was getting better only to find out I suddenly just couldn’t do certain things- like extreme inexplicable emotional blocks. It’s messed up. You described exactly what I’ve been wondering.
There were some misconceptions about healing that I had to let go of in order to heal further, one of them was that I had to conjure up old anger and "release" it. But "old anger" is what's called "resentment" and I had to learn how to let go of that.
Whatever you do more of will impact who you are- that's what I believe now at least, so I try to do little things every day to improve my everyday life and it actually works!
Healing is a journey that only ends when we die, there is no end goal when we are "finished" but there are little victories along the way where we might notice how far we've actually come compared to a few years ago.
Well said
Yes!!!! Little victories - no end but continued work. It is loving yourself in a nutshell fir us.
wise words
Wow…the last sentence about yoga being more effective is something I know for myself, but hearing it from an expert just reinforces my intuition and I can’t thank you enough! 🙏🏼
It's not an easy read but I recommend it to any survivor. Its helped me to understand the memory loss, confusion, isolation, and other things.
@A T The body keeps the score by Bessel Van Der Kolk
memory loss, confusion, isolation, and many other things...I'm so glad I'm not alone. I was very afraid of my symptoms for a long time
Turtleproof what is it called?
my favorite movie is Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind and it took me over a decade to realize why that movie hit me so deep and made such an impact in my life.... while I felt sad for the characters who wanted to erase their minds, I subconsciously also wanted to erase mine and felt envy of medical technology that didn't exist. It's so hard to live in a world where you want to forget your pain, but also society doesn't want to hear about your pain and just wants to hide you away and pretend you don't exist.
Yeah 95 percent of therapists shut you up --
This may our may not work for you... but I loved Julia Ross' book "The Mood Cure" on this subject.
It's explaining how different amino acids help balance our thoughts, moods, and emotions.
I've found intense relief when I tried some of the things she suggests in the book.
Like 5-Htp, which is a precursor of serotonin.
(Try finding a good reliable brand, and don't take too much, when you're first trying it.)
When I'm tortured by flashbacks of repetitive thoughts and resulting feelings, taking this supplement stopps these thoughts and emotions within 15 minutes. It's basically brain chemistry.
I love Van der Kolk's body approach, but sometimes immediate intervention is needed/helpful.
Each flashback or tortured moment is one to many.
I love how people are educating themselves on this topic these days, and hope this will one day soon be common knowledge for all
@Theloveologyco I'm 60 & a childhood human trafficking survivor...from the crib til age 12. I never told my mom that my father trafficked others as well. There is no magic pill or therapeutic technique that will ever erase what happened. For the 1st time in my life, I opened my closed heart & fully accepted Jesus. There was a bright light 🕯️ & I began to walk out of the dark tunnel of fear, depression, PTSD, eating disorder (I could go on) into the light. U have to Fully surrender yr life to Christ to be free. Yr healing is between u & Christ. No pain in this 🌎 is bigger than the light in yr heart. Connect with it...its always there waiting...God Bless u on yr journey home...
Same here...
Yesss I remember always saying I wish they had something that could help me erase all the pain that I’ve been feeling.
Wow. I’m so stinkin grateful I came across the teachings of Dr Bessel van der Kolk. And what an amazing human, being able to come thru the trauma of the second world war AND gather the information and knowledge we need for humanity to evolve.
Me too! He is an amazing human. I just ordered his book.
By not wanting to cope with your traumatic experiences society isn't aware of the golden opportunity they miss of learning, remidiating, changing, growing and evolving. There is gold in opening up to trauma. 💪🏻⭐️🌸
It’s almost impossible to go on to become a drug or alchohol addict without a history of childhood trauma!
Yup
Yes! Dr Gabor speaks on this subject clearly. He quoted "Its not why the addiction but why the pain"? What are we really running from? We must look back to our childhood.
Agreed. Gabor Maté speaks on this!
Dr Gabor Mate also makes this point.
“research shows that it's almost impossible to be a drug addict without having prior childhood trauma.” Bessel Van Der Kolk
I'm so happy science catches up with what "alternative healers" like myself have practiced. It's great to see it all coming together now and the biological context is fascinating. Thank you all so much for the great work.
a good girl I never aspired to be until I was found anyway. I still use speed just as a maintenance stimulator. I don't get high I just maintain. I had so many nvoluntary lock downs for suicide attempts then I finally did thirteen months in prison for DUI. I can't pay to get a therapist here to help me put all the damage I did in the right order. I must outlive Jessica my beautiful disabled daughter so I bought a guitar SG400 Epiphone instead of the classical I used to play so long ago I began fingerstyle electric lessons, that door was open and it is a better plan than psychedelics! Hey thats what the devil is selling only I did that in the 70's no didn't find God and night terrors etc continued. I am desperate to heal and play guitar and enjoy Jessie as long as God gives her time with me and learn to use a sewing machine and continue my green living and food growing and add off-grid energy plus the rain barrel I plan to order next month. Que sera sera.
Lol just steal and claim
wrr
Bravo to you for choosing a healing profession outside the convention, that you knew was effective, in spite of the skepticism from outsiders and from the mainstream. I am so glad the tides are turning in acceptance of adjunct and alternative and complementary therapies!!!
'Trauma is lived out in heartbreak and gut-wrenching experiences' 100%
This is so interesting to me. I came to have PTSD following a brain injury. Double whammy! EMDR has been helping me.
Hello Carolyn
How are you doing?
Brilliant, so insightful, Bessel van der Kolk rocks 🙏🏽
So correct: society dosent want to remember Trauma , individuals don’t want to remember trauma because it’s to painful, and it’s just over all not a very popular topic
oh my God! Yes!!! How on earth can we talk to people about this?
It’s also people’s concept of the ego that makes it hard to deal with this I see to
Yes, Yes, and Yes.
People who have suffered from trauma need to come together as a group and talk about all this and help each other. I'm one of the victims of childhood trauma. I have seen your playlists. Seems like you are one too. Also you are on point with your other comment about yoga. Yoga and meditation are only powerful spiritual practices which can transform our lives.
As a person whose family was both sent to concentration camps and some of whose family escaped to America. As a child I saw pictures of our dead ancestors thrown like garbage in piles in trucks in Abba Eden’s book “My People” . It was a difficult thing to come to terms with. I felt sadness, anger horror and even proud of their courage. It strengthened my fortitude somehow but there is always some residual sadness. Later I met WW2 hero’s who I met as a nurse and I was honored to listen to their 1st hand accounts of Japanese POW camps and one was a member of platoon dropped to Normandy during D day. He told me only 1/9 paratroopers survived before they hit the ground. Somehow he survived but they each lived with PTSD to some degree or another. It’s one thing to read accounts, entirely another to look into the eyes of men who saw things they’ll never forget .
The way Dr. Trenkle speaks, really made me smile while listening to this serious topic. That's good ;)
Thank you for the Interview.
In therapy for many months..so my question is what are you defining as trauma!? There is so much that’s awful that has and is happening to our children that I would like a resource for this question! thank you for your honesty..you have courage to speak about what people treat as “unspeakable” and the brilliance to go accompany it.
Trauma is an event that overwhelms one's nervous system. Chronic trauma is a situation in which this overwhelm cannot be escaped, thus adaptations are biological, structural, and effects personality, especially during formation.
I find Gabor Maté very helpful in understanding and defining childhood trauma. You can find a lot of his talks on youtube. His books are also great. Hope that helps.
Amazing interview! Thanks so much for sharing it!
I found significant help & partial healing coming to a Catholic Chapel
where Jesus Heart dwells in the tabernacle.....so do many thousands of people also...
Thanks Dr. for your work & vocation
Praise the Lord.
Dealing with your body is a real therapy. :)
SUMMARY:
Almost impossible to become addict without childhood trauma
- ways you detoxify body are with yogas taichi getting back in touch with and calming body changing breathing and posture way your body holds itself
- when you experience trauma what you experience after that and how you experience the world changes.
-detoxify body and you will feel more alive
@Donna Saathoff maybe because you don't enjoy yoga ,find something else
@Lorraine Baker hmmm, ok. I understand. But not sure why 23 years of yoga practice didn't release mine, I had to stop because my muscles have exercise intolerance. Maybe restorative yoga would help. Also I have his book.
Donna Saathoff did anything help your cptsd? And as someone said below I’m not talking about some juice cleanse or something
@Donna Saathoff Perhaps you are misunderstanding what he means by "detoxify." He's not meaning with a concoction of natural therapies or liquid cleanses or the like, he is referring to detoxifying it from the trauma we hold within our body...he mentioned yoga as a releasing method of detoxifying. Perhaps read his book...this guy is a CPTSD therapist who has a specialty treating trauma victims. He KNOWS about the condition.
I worked in the alternative care field for years, including having my own business. Detoxifying my body did NOTHING for my complex PTSD. Before you make these types of comments, please learn ab the condition, because comments like this are not helpful to people that suffer from it.
what a hero.
@1LaOriental You are dangerously close to libel, and I encourage you to consider what you are saying.
Tristan Hurley He is no hero, he is an ego maniac... just got fired for bullying employees...
Thank you so much for talking about this
Old trauma can be shame and fear not only anger and resentment.
And guilt
I think they all come together, it's a package deal. I feel like when one comes to the surface and you work on it then the another bubbles to the top to be worked on.
For me only fear and anger
Bless Bessel. 💙 Experience of unspeakable cruelty.
I dont believe that every trauma is treatable and every emotional condition is reversible. What if with some life experience people can not be happy anymore? Some emotional wounds will never heal. I honestly think that nothing helps but the love of people, stable environment and good health.
Thanks I guess I just learned from you,which is to realise that I can be free of past pain,separation,loosing pets I loved and not having much in life, still I can separate my self from all these thoughts or else choose to suffer with them with no gain at all
Your comment is confusing
The will heal but will always be apart of you. You must ry and see he life you deserve to live filled with love. You are not your trauma and you didnt deserve it.
I did yoga for 80 hours a week for 3 months and I was happier than before I think because I wasnt alone but still really nervous en exhausted i have to say...after i was depressed for a long time and still am..not doing any yoga anymore :(
Don't need to be all or nothing about it. Do 1 hour a day, every day!
What's considered alternative therapy is actually an essential therapy. So true, Yoga and TRE exercises etc would be considered hippyish where I am from. Medication,drink, drugs, rambling to a therapist and general moaning are what's considered everyday norms.
I need to start packing my bags.
EMDR therapy is also helpful for PTSD.
❤ It has been incredible for me ❤
Marten Dekker It sounds like it wasn't being done correctly..in EMDR you feel the feelings while doing it, and this allows them to ve processed and released. Personally I find EFT more effective though.
@CarolynJane Sutton thank you for this note carrolyn.
@Mike Bowman I have been having EMDR with a psychologist. It has been incredible and very effective. I have been having it for PTSD which is related to suffering a brain injury. I thought I would never get free of the overwhelming emotions that I was living in every day. The EMDR has changed that completely. I will just say though, (and any good EMDR practitioner will go over this with you,) it can bring up other stuff not directly related to the target memories that you are working on. In my particular case, I have discovered that I have Complex PTSD from childhood experiences. It has been very positive but tough as well. If you do go for it, you will find that there is a lot of assessment and preparation, but this is really vital. Also, EMDR is very tiring and that can last for a couple of days after a session as the brain keeps processing stuff between sessions.
I do hope you find the right thing for you. I wish you all the best. If you want to ask me anything else, please do. 🙂
EMDR is talked much about in The Body Keeps the Score. I want to try it.
Interesting. Mindy body techniques like Yoga did ZERO for my developmental trauma. Talk therapy did a lot though (wouldn´t say it is healed). I needed and still need a lot of it however. It is ongoing.
If you are in the United States and can get to Las Vegas, I recommend seeing Glenn Hall (Create Health Nevada). He is a master of his craft and you will leave with a new body.
I got the book, The Body Keeps Score, about three years ago. I didn't get very far before I was so triggered, I had a visceral reaction to what I was reading, went into a tailspin, I'm crying just remembering how wrecked I was. I still have the book...I'm just afraid to pick it up.
Where can I watch the full video please? This is really good.
Wow, he nails it. 3:46 --->
4:20 ----->
“Just like traumatized people are not popular people...”
Hello
It would be a gift to sit, sip coffee and chat with Dr. Van der kolk; Brilliant, lovely man.
I miss myself. I'l write my story, colorful yet, dark. Perhaps like a good painting.
I realized my saving grace is intelligence, love of books, sense of humor and creativity; these keep me alive. I've been "Carrying Mountains".
Love it!
Sadly, Bessel, who I met in Michigan in 1997, has not apprised himself of the trauma recovery that occurs in 12-step meetings, including the emphasis on what Carl Jung called a transformative "spiritual experience", most often as a result of the unconsciously perceived "protection and care" of the 12-step meetings. I'm a retired psychiatrist experienced in trauma recovery, but always once removed in my professional life. "It's almost impossible to become an addict without a history of trauma, and alcoholism, also." Now, at 77, I've come to the realization that I, too, am a childhood sexual and emotional abuse survivor, and a recovered alcoholic/marijuana/tranquilizer dependent person, in recovery for 11 yrs., this time. My trauma history was never addressed by the rehabs/psychiatrists/addictionists in 1986 when I entered a mandated supervised recovery program and F/U, only to relapse after 13 yrs. sober, when I became the Medical Dir. of the trauma program through which I met Bessel. Ironic? 12-step groups and sponsors have given me the protection and care I have sought my whole life. Best wishes to all! Stress R us
How to detoxify oneself from trauma …. Such a challenge. Awareness is a first step to recovery and calm our body down
Hvala za savet. Joga je zaista dobra ideja.
Bedankt, uw boek heeft mij veel duidelijk gemaakt, heb nou meer helderheid, emdr heeft mij geholpen, maar ik ben er nog niet
This is such wonderful information!
Hello Jean
How are you doing?
Great job!
So helpful.
intelligent and most informative - thank you for posting this. Best ;) M
Hello Marianne
How are you doing today?
This is short but important ..he's really good too!
It IS a full ré éducation of one self. For me it IS like changing so deeply my way of being that i became an other person because trauma is making a person an other thing that it was meant to be.
Somehow that line from a U2 song describes an element of the CPTSD healing experience:
running to stand still
I hate Bono
...and there I go, licking my wounds, doing meditation, keeping the triggers off, herbal teas, deep breathing AND a neighbour comes to shout at me because the leaves of trees in my yard are messing his yard. My whole body shatters, my whole body feels pain.
How can I treat my traumatic violent history, when an ass hole, comes from nowhere to dismantle all what I've done?
I just accept it. I have made friends with my nightmares and am as miserable as sin. Every day, I find a reason to continue.
What kind of pain? People do love you you know, you got this …
Don't stop there Phaedrus87. You can change your internal world to be happy too, just as you changed it to make friends with your nightmares. Try Dr Dawson Church's wonderful book "Bliss Brain: The Science of Remodelling Your Brain". Sending you much love, and hoping for a wonderful life for you. You can do it.
We love you ❤️✨💔
He is the best.
Read The Body Keeps the Score if you haven’t already. Essential reading for parents, teachers, humans
if one looks closely - just look at people doing their thing, whatever it is, almost all of them are not present. we are all on our way to somewhere, to feel good, to tread the known re-assuring path and think/hope that that is good enough, but we all know it isn't and pretend it is. it might be socialy acceptable and not seen as trauma, but the simple fact of 'hanging in here' is rather problematic (it doesn't even need to be dramatic).
I recently discovered tibetean healing yoga, it's called Lu Jong, kind of works like Chi Gong. It might be worth trying as well. Good luck to all of you
reading all these comments of struggle and limited successes with healing : we have to understand that fundamentally we are not the body - mind , otherwise all therapies are symptomatic , trying to heal the symptom wich is the body mind ; the deeper meaning why trauma occurs is that it is your own real self playing out a drama to discover itself true the veil of the imaginary self ; the pain is the resistance to give up the story thinking it is real .
I can recommend a great book regarding trauma and addiction, called In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts, by Dr. Gabor Mate
@E yoga makes me anxious 😰
Powerful book, l think all books for Gabor Mate are good books for knowing trauma as well for healing trauma and as well for avoid trauma. I have read 3 books now am finishing the 4th one scattered mind . Grateful that l read it.
Thank you I’m looking for it right this second !
@meily It depends. I overcame my PTSD among other things with EFT tapping. Since I am recovering from BPD, Yoga is helping me to feel my body again, being present and it helps me to stay focused and calm my mind and and I also experienced lots of emotional releases which I never thought would be possible. There is also such thing as Trauma Yoga with specific postures to help people deal with and heal from their trauma.
@ilfautdanser I wouldn't trust any therapy that claims to be better than the rest. Plus yoga isn't suitable for many people with PTSD. The body awareness becomes a trigger.
So today, March 8, 2018, The Boston Globe published an article stating that B Van Der Kolk was fired from the trauma center he himself founded 35 years ago for " bullying and denigrating employees" I would like to add to those accusations: Patient neglect. In this video he talks about the wonders of neurofeedback for PTSD. Unfortunately, he fails to mention that he and his staff are negligent in administering this very expensive treatment which is not covered by insurance. This has been my experience. I paid $1,100.00 per month to be treated for PTSD and after 3 months of being given the runaround by his staff and unable to reach him personally-the treatment was having no effect-I was told "Sorry" by the technician that had been administering the NF. I contacted the center several times, unsuccessfully. I felt privileged to be able to be treated by this "God" of PTSD expertise, as he is a colleague of a family member and this is the result? What an egomaniac. I am beyond angry. I am thinking class action lawsuit to get back my hard earned money. I would love to hear from others who have been harassed/scammed/maltreated by this jerk!! MAY HE ROT IN HELL. I know know three women therapists who have a very negative opinion of him, as well.
@TangoCat303 yr link doesn't work...
Si Fi That statement tells us a lot - about you.
@Lion of Judah, Lamb of God Why do you assume that the OP is being accurate?
Yoga is more effective to treat ptsd than any medicine they had ever studied!
@Donna Saathoff maybe you are not ready to release it or on a subconscious level you don't want to release it? I realized for myself that I got a pay-off for being sick. I deep down wanted to be taken care of and I didn't want to be alone so being sick, sort of fills the bill.
I realized, I never felt or was taken care of as a child and I was abandoned in every way. It was hard to look at this, but also freeing. My health is better than it was however, I still have some issues but usually I can look at how I am taking care of myself and find the answers I need. I hope you feel better. I hope that you care for yourself like any other wounded being. I hope you love yourself more than you ever thought possible. Love and blessings ❤
@Qais Latif you are absolutely right, it benefits most people who practice it, it's wonderful and I wish I could still practice it.
@Donna Saathoff if it didnt help you . It doesnt mean it doenst help others.
You are absolutely wrong!! After 23 years of yoga, long before it became so popular, I was in so much pain from trauma trapped in my body I could no longer even DO yoga, became legally disabled because no one connected the dots, became nearly bedridden... please don't make statements like this. Also my daughter has taught yoga for 18 years and tried to help me with a custom program, to no avail. Jesus, people..
What kind of type yoga? :)
Bessel ❤️ thank you.
Yoga 🧘🏻♀️ breathing techniques excercise mindfulness meditation and having compassion for one self is important too
Deutsch wäre schön und wäre schön wenn es auf audible die deutsche Übersetzung des Buch gäbe
I think Kundalini rising is probably the best therapeutic tool for completely erasing the poison of conditioned existence, however there need to be proper communities where people can reprogram safely without being retraumatised, and a revolution in human society and ecology.
@Robert I Kundalini rising erases traumatic imprints as it opens your channels and rewires your nervous system.
@Michaela Clarke so you say that you cant heal trauma with kundalini rise?
But its the same Vagus nerve which operates fight flight or symphatetic response.
By the way, I did yoga for 30 years, and taught it for 20 years, but I don't think it healed the trauma in my body, only managed it. In many ways, it made it worse, because my wounded personality was not able to follow instructions without ego.
I am in therapy for trauma. It is interesting to see the changes when I go to Yoga for sure. However yoga is very soft, and I do not believe it can heal trauma at all by itself. Or maybe in 40 years? I don't have 40 years. And besides, you need a yoga teacher that teaches real yoga, not the fitness version. Meaning, some breath work, bringing awareness to many areas of tension and postural issues (which often are symptomatic of trauma). A teacher who teaches from the heart.
The value of Yoga imho is precisely that it's very soft, so it's good for everybody. Whether you have anxiety, depression or significant trauma... you can safely do yoga. Which definitely can not be said about bioenergetic exercises, as well as certain herbs like Bupleurum or Cyperus (that act on the liver / solar plexus area). These made healing more difficult for me, releasing rage and anger to a point I was going backwards instead of healing.
@Donna Saathoff Hi Donna, I also suffer from chronic pain and found that while I enjoyed yoga, there were certain poses in traditional classes that are unfriendly to those who have chronic pain (that may or may not be a result of trauma, physical or otherwise). That being said, I decided to train to become a certified yoga teacher myself to see if I can adapt. Have come leaps and bounds from where I was both physically and emotionally.
My question for you, now that I'm teaching virtually, what would you be looking for in an ideal class?
I tried for 23 years before I had to give yoga up...it made my chronic pain worse
Try happy body by Jerzy gegorek. He offers online mentoring. It helped me.
I feel the same way about yoga. Have you tried classical stretch or trauma releasing exercises?
I think that it depends on the trauma experienced. If the trauma is relational then repairing relational health is important, if that can happen in a yoga class then a yoga class can help heal that. If secrecy was part of the trauma then it might be important to tell those secrets somehow somewhere. I think everything depends. It might be possible to heal using only yoga, but other things can help a lot too. E.g if a loved one has been murdered then having the murderer found and jailed might make things less worse in a way that yoga can't. It might help with justice. Yoga might help in a way that jail/justice can't.
Thank you for sharing
‘Trauma is lived out in heartache and gut wrenching experience..feel sensations of dread and helplessness, disgust and horror, IN your body. In response to that you try to numb out your body: the most common way is drugs and alcohol. So the co morbidity between trauma and drugs and alcohol is gigantic: research shows that it’s almost impossible to become a drug addict without having a prior history of childhood trauma.
Drug addiction and alcohol as ways that people desperately try to manage unbearable sensations
Asia reacquaint yourself with your body helps you to calm your body down. Dealing with your body is REAL therapy
@Србомбоница 🇷🇸 what do you mean?
I have that disgust feeling deep in my stomach
Brilliant man.
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And also being shamed by others or stranger like comedians or haters. This 'others' can also be from church preachers, leaders or followers. There is a small number who are genuine and willing to analy the situation. Some friends can say things that will deteriorate your condition like , 'Well, it is between you n God'. Especially for those who do not want to be dragged into your problem and having to find solutions for you. Some are too busy to bother, some others will put the blame entirely on the affects and vulnerable ones.
Excellent!
trying to focus on the video
and it's so hard.
I just can't. too many thoughts
and feelings in me.
I've fallen in a trap again.
falling for yet again: another
unavailable person.
dear God, why do I do this to myself?
I'm old now and I've never ever had love.
never ever have I been in a real romantic relationship...
the pain of this is so horrific:
it truly rapes my soul.
7:21 POWERFUL!!
I found the best trauma healer is the power of the Holy Spirit in Christ Jesus. He renewed my mind and healed body as only our creator can.
@Anne Boyle I rejoice with you Anne.
Amen! Same for me! Did a lot of therapy, including EMDR, but it's Jesus is doing the real healing...
@M Z I am sorry to hear that, you are right we are flesh. I found when I worked on my spiritual life it manifested to my flesh bringing healing Proverbs 4; Psalm 103. When I started to meditate on scripture like these and listened to sound doctrine (as a born-again believer) the Holy Spirit continues to lead me as I trust and obey everything He tells me to do in my life including diet, associations, education, music, every area of my life in submission. He led me through my conversion and delivered me from PTSD I am no longer bound to sin of the flesh. It is a humbling process but it is well worth the journey. I have so much joy and peace. I'd like to extend my hand to you for I know you can be free in Christ Jesus. Nothing is impossible to him/her who believes.
Amen
@Donna Saathoff I'm just giving my testimony as one who suffered from extreme trauma, which are evil spirits and I needed to be delivered from them. So please allow me to share with others my joy of being free and healed. Thank you.
Tai Chi is wonderful! So is Qi Gong...
Schade das es nicht auf Deutsch ist oder wenigstens einen deutschen Untertitel hat
Ask your Dutch prime minister to resign with all his woke colleagues and replace them with sensible people.
It is almost impossible to become drug addict without having trauma in your child good)
most likely he inspired dr. Gabor mate with the theory of trauma.
Wow! Fascinating!
Thank you 🙏
@Rachel Moore Thank you Rachel! Peter
@goertzpsychiatry thank you I like your channel, keep it up ! 🙏😊
Thank you.
Omg this made me cry
My friend has seen a psychiatrist for years she never talks about his trauma just drugs him n says everything will get better n he gets worse why does she get away w this injustice???
@River Dawn this.
Because he keeps showing up...tell him to go for another opinion. U should Always have 2 opinions. Some professionals are narcissistic wolves in sheep's clothing. I've met several & kept it moving. Yr friend could be in a trauma bond with the therapist. Happened to me & the sicker I got. I use Jesus now for every day left in my life. The light 🕯️ within is stronger than anything human...even trauma.
Because the world is uncomfortable with people's pain and their tears. Think about it, most people don't deal with it so how are they going to empathize with anyone else. If they truly see your pain, they would have to feel their own pain and that scares people to death. However, until we are all able to go into our pain and heal.....our world will remain as it is. Be courageous walk into the pain, feel it, cry even scream......release it so you may heal then we roll up our sleeves and help others heal. Love and blessings ❤
Psychiatrists prescribe medication to treat mental disorders - they don’t necessarily help people work through their problems. Psychologists, counselors, and therapists will help your friend process his trauma.
I just bought his books ☺️ i have trauma from childhood and i am hit by a cardriver last year and have braindamage and handicaps and couldnt walk.
I dont like this toxic society and humans.
They are not humans.
But animals are more human than them
Would you consider captioning this, please?
Lisa, it’s auto-transcribed. Not captioned. It needs editing and punctuation
It is...
Insightful
I guess this is why my body is so stiff
Look up muscle armoring
What about victims of chronic childhood bullying and the horrible scars left into adulthood..? This does not address that.
That probably falls under developmental trauma because that would mean there is a gap of having been nurtured in the environment. That’s why I think when people go to therpay it’s their first expirence to understand being heard and seen so they have modeled. You basically would have to seek out healthy relationships to heal those wounds while ridding the body of negative beliefs tied to interpersonal dynamics.
Maybe the book CPTSD from Surviving to Thriving by Pete Walker would help you
@Heather Kell I have it. It states nothing of chronic childhood bullying. He seems to dismiss this...not included in PTSD...what??!!!
If you can get a hold of his book it is on Clip-Share too
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I've been traumatized by my childhood best friend, called Sydney, my earliest memories akiniuliza one day umecrushia nani, and i thought he wants to be my best friend , i gave up my authenticity which was sleeping with another girl called Britney,i gave up Britney for Sydney and then years later when I visited him he told me ukinishika hivo tena tutapigana and i wondered why he said that and it traumatized me for years
Also sugar and flour (refined and processed foods) is numbing. Look at the size/shapes of us these days... obesity pandemic
@Georgina Bastien I agree; that's why I also wrote, "
@Annette Brown Adults who experienced childhood trauma often don’t sleep well or get enough sleep. This also activates cortisol release and causes weight gain.
Great point!
Constantly being in a stress state to the point where a person's body releases the stress hormone cortisol can cause a trauma survivor to gain weight as well. And this is only one example. Body size does not not always correlate with certain foods.
True!
Can someone link the study? What kind of Yoga are we talking about?