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  • Robbin Rams
    Robbin Rams 3 months ago +5057

    I dont watch the news. I watch Mogul mail.

    • DOOD Doing stuff
      DOOD Doing stuff 3 months ago +52

      Now that's a mogul move

      CHILL IN THE UK 3 months ago +6

      the news isn't talking about this fella

    • Brig Commander
      Brig Commander 3 months ago

      Your mom watches Mogul mail

    • NakiWinkydim
      NakiWinkydim 3 months ago

      @DOOD Doing stuff bro this comment goes crazy hard

    • -snuffy-
      -snuffy- 3 months ago

      me too, what does the news have > :( Mogul mail is better

  • TimeBucks
    TimeBucks 3 months ago +981

    Twitch never fails to disappoint me

  • Peter Collin
    Peter Collin 3 months ago +2543

    Clip-Share should give the guys at Twitch that made this a raise

    • DarkRa
      DarkRa 3 months ago +3

      YOutube you are allowed to multistream twitch you cant anymore

    • Horked
      Horked 3 months ago +4

      Underrated comment 😆😆😆😆

    • Philosophy_Bot
      Philosophy_Bot 3 months ago

      Beep bop... I'm the Philosophy Bot. Here, have a quote:
      "Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will rule your life and you will call it Fate"
      ~ Carl Jung

    • cam quoc
      cam quoc 3 months ago


  • Jo Yaknow
    Jo Yaknow 3 months ago +725

    This isn't Twitch stopping paying streamers. This is Twitch actively trying to take money from Streamers for their own.

    • Juampi
      Juampi 3 months ago +27

      Not even for their own, this just stops generating that money for anybody

    • Yangki Khangsar
      Yangki Khangsar 3 months ago +14

      @Juampi nah bc streamers have to plan more ad breaks to make up for the sponsors, then giving twitch more revenue from more of their placed ads being shown

    • Festi
      Festi 3 months ago

      @Yangki Khangsar The ghosts really gna be rolling in the cash for twitch

    • HDMC therapper
      HDMC therapper 3 months ago


  • Slicing Onions
    Slicing Onions 3 months ago +927

    Twitch continues to assure ludwig he made the right decision when switching platforms

    • Kurt
      Kurt 3 months ago +4

      right or not youtube has its own bad things and lots of very bad things that they ignore i heard it is pretty much the same rules that twitch is adding

    • Allen B.
      Allen B. 3 months ago +6

      ​@Kurt No

    • Kurt
      Kurt 3 months ago

      @Allen B. yes

    • Pulko
      Pulko 3 months ago +1

      @Kurt no

    • Kurt
      Kurt 3 months ago

      @Pulko yes

  • gustinex
    gustinex 3 months ago +79

    at this point Twitch is basically handing their entire audience and users to Clip-Share on a silver platter

  • unrealdustin
    unrealdustin 3 months ago +4329

    Considering that the CEO just said in an interview that they don't care if large streamers leave because it'll drive viewers to smaller streams, this is completely on brand.

    • Lena Çakir
      Lena Çakir 3 months ago +1170

      No one is on Twitch because they are Twitch fans. They go because they are [INSERT FAVORED CONTENT CREATOR] fans.

    • LilBitsDK
      LilBitsDK 3 months ago +576

      and that is where they are wrong... people (most of them) will follow the creator they love to watch... they don't give a F about Twitch... it is just a means to watch what they want... there are other places to watch without all this BS...

    • Flaming Wolf
      Flaming Wolf 3 months ago +164

      @LilBitsDK Hard to say tbh, I think it's more of a situation where if the #1 streamer in a category leaves then maybe a few will follow, but a lot will just go to the next best thing (Most people at the #1 already have a decent Clip-Share following). The problem with this change is that it's not going to just be #1, but possibly #1-30 as well. Whole organizations and groups leaving will do an insane amount of damage.

    • David Mdertu
      David Mdertu 3 months ago +11

      ​@LilBitsDK "there are other places to watch" where? Give me a few examples that match twitch in terms of functionality and reach.

  • Untold Tales
    Untold Tales 3 months ago +426

    This feels like one of those situations where later on they rollback the logo and banner restrictions but keep the burned-in ad ban to make it seem like they are listening to feedback, all the while that was their plan the whole time.

    • Charles Mechanicus
      Charles Mechanicus 3 months ago +57

      "we have listened to both streamers and viewers and we are rolling back a few changes and making adjustments to..."
      *rubs palms together* this was our plan all along.

    • Adam Savage
      Adam Savage 3 months ago +20

      @Charles Mechanicus thats what he said but with extra steps

    • Flanneryschickens
      Flanneryschickens 3 months ago +2

      I think you're right

    • InSomnia DrEvil
      InSomnia DrEvil 3 months ago +1

      If that was planned it would be even dumber. Bad PR for pretty much nothing?
      Just say that you are, similar to other plattforms (youtube wink wink), introducing xyz.

  • Jeffrey Kelley
    Jeffrey Kelley 3 months ago +160

    how have streamers not unionized yet? they literally have complete power over the product, and the time is right for change in the entertainment industry

    • KirbysCreativity
      KirbysCreativity 3 months ago +10

      No... unions are terrible. Case closed

    • Mxmln lcdcdffmnt
      Mxmln lcdcdffmnt 3 months ago +83

      ​@KirbysCreativity "unions are terrible" what does that mean?

    • Satirics
      Satirics 3 months ago +96

      ​@KirbysCreativity case reopened, explain yourself

    • Daniel Wilson
      Daniel Wilson 3 months ago +8

      Unions as a group aren’t anything. There are good (and bad) unions now and in the past. Let’s stop pretending the world isn’t nuanced

    • Silverion
      Silverion 3 months ago +56

      @KirbysCreativity That's exactly what corporations want you think. Negotiating as a group gives you so much more power to make demands than if you do it by yourself. Corporations spend billions trying to stop people from unionizing in the US. Do you think they do that out of the kindness of their hearts? Maybe look at some countries that have strong unionization like the Scandinavian countries. Do they seem to have better or worse working conditions than the US?

  • Cursed Code
    Cursed Code 3 months ago +104

    In retrospect Ludwig leaving Twitch for Clip-Share was the best thing he's ever done

  • Starchie
    Starchie 3 months ago +68

    We need a huge streamer to do a charity stream that breaks the rules and then when twitch cracks down they will get even more back lash

    • Random Guy
      Random Guy 3 months ago +2

      Issue is: most big creators would not risk their channel being banned (or outright deleted) for this.

    • StrikezTTV
      StrikezTTV 3 months ago

      If I was big I would

  • Skitty Sixxx
    Skitty Sixxx 3 months ago +36

    thank u for complimenting the illustrator for the infographic. they did good job hope they got paid well the bright light in all this

  • Simonn
    Simonn 3 months ago +6240

    If Clip-Share don't use this time to grab a large amount of streamers, they're missing such a big opportunity

    • Zog
      Zog 3 months ago +452

      Why would they? Twitch is constantly shooting itself in the foot. Twitch streamers are always mad at the platform. Sooner or later, tons of streamers will move over without youtube having to drop millions on acquiring all of them.

    • YolkyVerse
      YolkyVerse 3 months ago +26

      @Zog Or Kick

    • LearnWithKyle
      LearnWithKyle 3 months ago +73

      Buy the dip. Easy way to snag huge orgs. I'd be sending someone in person over to Zach and OTK to personally make a deal with them....Why would you not wanna take advantage of this?!

    • Jack_Pliskin
      Jack_Pliskin 3 months ago +16

      nah let the degenerates stay there

  • kriddius
    kriddius 3 months ago +162

    Hats off to the dude in the background who suited up and held a perfect flamingo pose for nearly 11 minutes straight :P

    • mrdummy
      mrdummy 3 months ago

      Oke, so it's real someone for you. Good job! You might need to buy some glasses to see it better.

      GREATSTALLION 3 months ago +26

      @mrdummyusername checks out

    • Oprah's Gran
      Oprah's Gran 3 months ago +8

      @mrdummy profile picture checks out

    • Steetlerfan7
      Steetlerfan7 3 months ago

      @mrdummy You must be fun at parties

    • Steetlerfan7
      Steetlerfan7 3 months ago

      @mrdummy I read your description, I think you might need some hearing aids to hear better

  • DaN1
    DaN1 3 months ago +5

    So nice for twitch to give youtube a chance to be the main site for streaming 😊👍

  • Aaron Hicks
    Aaron Hicks 3 months ago +4

    God, it would be so crazy if the livestream platform did a live stream announcement

  • Doopness
    Doopness 3 months ago +266

    Ludwig and Charlie should team up to create there own live streaming website.

    • latifoljic
      latifoljic 3 months ago +47

      Ludwig definitely signed a noncompete for the Clip-Share bag. It would be illegal for sure.

    • Kevin Sievers
      Kevin Sievers 3 months ago +41

      it's all fun and games until you realize how much proper bandwith costs

    • watafumx
      watafumx 3 months ago +34

      Oh yeah. They also should start developing a science-based, 100% dragon MMORPG while at it. Since both are projects that just anybody could do. There is probably a wikihow!

    • Austin I.
      Austin I. 3 months ago +1

      Love who you wanna love, all I'm saying Charlie is much more reasonable than Ludwig at times.

    • Garry Dimas A
      Garry Dimas A 3 months ago +9

      ​@Austin I. Been fan of Charlie, but i think Lud is the more level-headed of the two on this kind of stuff.

  • CaptainNemo
    CaptainNemo 3 months ago +53

    Its funny that twitch is the perfect place for twitch to announce their new guidelines, like all they need to do is a live stream and answer questions

  • Patterrz
    Patterrz 3 months ago +6159

    Twitch must scientifically formulate the worst possible decisions in a lab, they're so consistently good finding new ways to make their service worse

    • Starfallen
      Starfallen 3 months ago +122

      It's called corporate greed and a desire for exponential profit.

    • Marulix
      Marulix 3 months ago +23

      Yo its the guy that lost his sanity trying to get a weirdly colored Regieleki!

    • KZK blue
      KZK blue 3 months ago +19

      Same thing with blizzard

    • Pluvial-Dude
      Pluvial-Dude 3 months ago +15

      Its turning into Nintendo kinda

  • Tinymantwo
    Tinymantwo 3 months ago +55

    I am hoping QT makes the move to Clip-Share. Her live streams are brilliant and I love the Streamer Awards

    • Aria
      Aria 3 months ago +7

      Streamer awards to myspace. Banger move, just saying.

  • Dwight Levinson-Gould
    Dwight Levinson-Gould 3 months ago +3

    That coin flip gave Lud the biggest W ever 😂

  • K
    K 3 months ago +4

    Imagine if every business and developer was as transparent in their work as Coffee Stain Studios is

  • Robotninja
    Robotninja 3 months ago +18

    It’s really sad, because if twitch goes down, so do those small streamers. I love watching small streamers. I usually watch fall guys ones because they are very wholesome

  • Keilder
    Keilder 3 months ago +9

    Clip-Share just needs to focus on making their streaming feature a lot better at this point to make twitch less of an option. Twitch currently wont die out because of its layout, because of its discoverability versus youtube's. Once Clip-Share does that, twitch will slowly die out

    • ReinSouls
      ReinSouls 3 months ago +1

      Seriously, Clip-Share would be so much ahead of the streaming curve if they just make Clip-Share Live a much friendlier UI experience. But still pretty sure they're more worried about competing with TikTok with Shorts than competing with Twitch. I mean Drake streamed to Kick. So if there's ever a golden opportunity for Clip-Share to take that next step. It's now.

    • Person McHuman
      Person McHuman 3 months ago

      I feel like that would be an issue too….Clip-Share can be just as greedy as Twitch and if they become one of the only streaming platforms, they can just make the same awful decisions but without Twitch there will be nowhere to go.

  • CanceriousIG
    CanceriousIG 3 months ago +19574

    ludwig was telepathically talking to me at the beginning

  • Keen Reflex
    Keen Reflex 3 months ago +20

    Thank you for the update. I really hope that the more charitable interpretation is the reality we see as this unfolds.

  • LadyGandalf
    LadyGandalf 3 months ago

    TY for making it short and simple without dragging the video on. Love Mogul Mail!!!

  • Ol'man Alski
    Ol'man Alski 3 months ago

    Twitch definitely needs to get in contact with the sponsors about this not the content Creators, make deals on the changes, and then both the sponsors and Twitch can inform their creator to go forward with the changes.

  • Lurch11 D
    Lurch11 D 3 months ago +10

    I actually completely understand them wanting these rules in place, but it seems like the kinda thing you should do from the start, or not at all. It's too far along to make this change without creating insane turbulence.

  • JamesBeaucoup
    JamesBeaucoup 3 months ago +1

    I really enjoyed the most/least charitable take breakdown part, that was a great device and i hope it makes it into more mogul mails

  • MonkStarling
    MonkStarling 3 months ago +3497

    Ludwig's change to Clip-Share has aged like fine wine
    And it's only been a couple of years, imagine what will happen in 5+ years.

    • Vaughn Loto
      Vaughn Loto 3 months ago +162

      He's killing it, honestly. Just on his main channel alone, he's got high numbers on long form content so that means he's good at retaining his audience in the long run, he still got high ccvs and viewership on streams, and his YT Shorts always gets pushed by the algorithm so he's funneling in more viewers by the day.

    • Urd-Vidan
      Urd-Vidan 3 months ago +47

      Clip-Share are still assholes, but yeah, Twitch seems like a sinking ship.

    • Garry Dimas A
      Garry Dimas A 3 months ago +25

      ​@Urd-Vidan basically Clip-Share just do a minor make-up here and there while Twitch just fumble bigly. The amount of controversial policies they made just cement the thought to diversify even more now.

    • Imagine Finding This Channel
      Imagine Finding This Channel 3 months ago +7

      ​@Urd-Vidan i mean Clip-Share doesn't have the insensitive to be great, they just need to be better compared to twitch

    • Peter Collin
      Peter Collin 3 months ago +1

      @Doofy1012 Dude don't just spam your videos under every comment

    GOD of TWINKIES 3 months ago +1

    Always expect the worst and you will never be disappointed.

  • Christopher Pitts
    Christopher Pitts 3 months ago +3

    this hurts all streamers really badly but it really hurts smaller streamers or streamers tht dont have a youtube following or following on another platform

  • Bokaj392
    Bokaj392 3 months ago +1

    I would be TOTALLY down, as a twitch streamer to boycott twitch. I'm sick of their bs honestly

  • Tim C. Harrison
    Tim C. Harrison 3 months ago +4

    You're right, this is a huge PR issue. If Twitch actually had a recent history of good changes, this wouldn't have been received so harshly.

  • Spud Russet
    Spud Russet 3 months ago +3

    The problem is that if twitch dies Clip-Share suddenly won’t have a big competitor and might not try to improve their streaming platform as much.

  • ToothpickSamurai
    ToothpickSamurai 3 months ago +1

    The more twitch does this sort of stuff, the more I am terrified of even attempting to get into streaming, cause I've been wanting to get into streaming for a long time now and Clip-Share isn't it for new streamers, and twitch seems to want to kill their own platform.

  • Astrid Palumbo
    Astrid Palumbo 3 months ago

    Thanks for sharing the fact that Clip-Share has this same policy and doesn't enforce it to a great extent. I feel thats valuable to this situation.

  • Lebensmude
    Lebensmude 3 months ago +2

    Unfortunately, they also restricted multi-streaming, from previously being affiliates and partners to the whole of Twitch now, limiting all streamers to their platform no matter their status.

  • Wiggy OSRS
    Wiggy OSRS 3 months ago +4

    I just really hope that twitch will get some competition soon (I guess Kick is closest). Because im tired of twitch doing whatever they want and not being scared of people leaving, because they know that people will come back...

  • KEE Wii
    KEE Wii 3 months ago

    You can bet Twitch is going to carve out exceptions for big streamers and companies.

  • Latewig
    Latewig 3 months ago +1849

    twitch has slowly gone from having a monopoly on the streaming world to now basically promoting and advocating for people to go to their rivals…

    • Anish
      Anish 3 months ago +10

      Twitch rivals tournament? Lol

    • ZooTok
      ZooTok 3 months ago +4

      rumble taking over

    • Skibidi dop 🅥
      Skibidi dop 🅥 3 months ago +1

      *Here is the full clip explaining why dad left you: (Making fun of bots)*

    • Flaker
      Flaker  3 months ago +43

      to be honest, twitch having a monopoly isn’t a good thing. Either way, more competition in the streaming space is a good thing no matter how that competition may arise from.

    • Videogamer555
      Videogamer555 3 months ago +1

      You know, they also allow you to upload recorded videos. And likewise, Clip-Share allows you to stream videos.

  • dgenaraition
    dgenaraition 3 months ago +7

    Twitch forgets that they are only able to do what they do because of the creators

  • TheLegendOfLivz
    TheLegendOfLivz 3 months ago

    I've been seriously saying for around a year that streamers need to unionize. not a joke. Boycotts don't seem to work for streamers as there is no mass mailing list. EVERYONE needs to agree to unionize and then a general strike needs to happen. This is the only way I can see any collective bargaining being successful on the end of streamers.

  • Michael Mahoney
    Michael Mahoney 3 months ago

    My biggest fear is that even if that charitable interpretation is correct, that these guidelines were only put in place to stop some third parties from taking too much revenue away from Twitch, that doesn't change the fact that the way they are worded, Twitch could easily turn around and punish individual creators for having sponsorships. Regardless of the original intention, this policy absolutely does allow for the least charitable interpretation to be true down the road, if not immediately.

  • Pluralocity
    Pluralocity 3 months ago +1

    Depending on how Twitch enforces this, I'm expecting more streamers to move onto Clip-Share and Floatplane.

  • mvm
    mvm 3 months ago

    It's likely a step towards a larger plan. For example only allow adds that they approve and or get a cut from. Cause all things considered this change by itself doesn't seem bad for the viewer. Great only a small portion can get filled up with adds that positive, it's good they take control of it, but you'll never know their next step.

  • North Wind
    North Wind 3 months ago +1080

    Ludwig has finally transcended beyond the mortal realm to the point that he has acquired telepathy and can speak directly to people's minds.

    • Cross Fall
      Cross Fall 3 months ago

      just like charlie

    • Vicy Notasurname
      Vicy Notasurname 3 months ago +1

      Idk, there's so many sympathy about how this means that creators don't get the money, but in return, we get better quality content in the form of less spam Ads... What am I loosing out on?

    • Delta Squadron
      Delta Squadron 3 months ago +6

      @Vicy Notasurname You're losing out on creators wanting to go to work on twitch.

    • Christian Cinnabars
      Christian Cinnabars 3 months ago

      Vicy Notasurname Hmm... Streamers will be less likely to want to stream. How will this affect me watching streams 🤔?

  • That LATAM Bicht
    That LATAM Bicht 3 months ago

    Twitch is absolutely insane for this lol, they're going to bleed creators, which is well deserved. Maybe this is what Kick and/or Rumble need to stay afloat. I might not like either of those platforms, but competitiveness is good and Twitch deserves to tank for their decisions over the years
    Also as an mtg nerd it's sweet to see Brian Kibler and to a lesser extent Amy the Amazonian in a Mogul Mail, they're both really cool peeps

  • the guy
    the guy 3 months ago +2

    It's ironic that just the other day I randomly thought to myself "damn twitch hasn't done anything too controversial in a while" and now here we are

  • Skyzell
    Skyzell 3 months ago +3

    All member of Twitch Team must share one brain cell to make this kind of dumb decision out of nowhere

  • momojusu
    momojusu 3 months ago +2

    i got nothing to do with anything ludwig ever talks about but i deadass never skip a video 😂 the way he talks about things is just so good i feel like i cant miss out 😭

  • RegularOriginal
    RegularOriginal 3 months ago +1

    I mean it was inevitable. We've seen the decline of Twitch for a few years now and it was only a matter of time. There are already other sites up that could easily replace it, Clip-Share being the obvious one (will have to add some stuff though) but also something like Kick probably has a good shot.
    When companies reach a certain status they just go full greed-mode. The passion they initially had gets replaced with greed and bad decisions are the consequences of it.

  • Brahma
    Brahma 3 months ago +1150

    The best part is JSchlatt saying that the next move will be Twitch banning direct donations and forcing the viewers to use bits to donate instead. Which is prophetic to say the least.

    • Morgan
      Morgan 3 months ago +170

      Honestly shocked they haven't implemented this already.

    • Joseph Song
      Joseph Song 3 months ago +49

      Did they not try to implement something like this before? I remember some information got “leaked” about bits changes that everyone hated.

    • K1N1 ami
      K1N1 ami 3 months ago +2

      well they haven't done it yet, whats the point of this comment?

    • Osman Apaydin
      Osman Apaydin 3 months ago +48

      I mean he did have accurate predictions involving the royal family so anything is possible lol

    • Vincent Yu
      Vincent Yu 3 months ago +81

      @K1N1 ami Your comment is even more pointless

  • kymotsujason
    kymotsujason 3 months ago +1

    Really shows who the new CEO actually watches and what he thinks of the creators. More coming for sure.

  • TheElectricRaichu
    TheElectricRaichu 3 months ago +9

    There's a post on Twitter stating that the "Simulcasting" rules were added to the ToS, implying it affects ALL users, including non Affiliate/Partners. Those that revoked their Aff/Partner to stream to Twitch and Clip-Share at the same time are no longer allowed.

  • Papierzeit
    Papierzeit 3 months ago +2

    I have now cancelled my Twitch account and stream only on Clip-Share. Finally I could make this step. It feels soooo good.

  • Curious Pug
    Curious Pug 3 months ago

    Things like these, are the reason why i always believe, alternate streaming platforms like kick and rumble won't go away quickly like what twitch dxckrider predicts.
    The biggest enemy for twitch is themselves. They tend to self-destruct massively just because of their own greed.

  • RobertPaulson
    RobertPaulson 3 months ago +1

    I'm actually done, I am subbed to 11 channels. Cancelled them all. I hope the creators boycott and decide what platform to switch to, they can make it work. We need to stop giving corporations so much power. I am tired of it. 50/50, now this. They're a big corporation that is trying to chase their covid numbers by any means necessary, because that's how corporations work. I will never put another dime into twitch and I funneled thousands into it over the last 6 years.

  • Shane Duffy
    Shane Duffy 3 months ago +1220

    Crazy that Mogul Mail and Ludwig decided to grow a mustache at the same time

    • Z O
      Z O 3 months ago +43

      ludwig has never had original ideas, unlike mogul mail

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      𐦱 3 months ago +12


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      nerd journal 3 months ago


    • Skibidi dop 🅥
      Skibidi dop 🅥 3 months ago +1

      *Here is the full clip explaining why dad left you: (Making fun of bots)*

    • nostalgia guy
      nostalgia guy 3 months ago

      ​@Skibidi dop 🅥No life.

  • D M
    D M 3 months ago

    Never really loved/used twitch so seeing them push creators i usually just watch vods of on Clip-Share maked me smile.

  • Rain Hunter
    Rain Hunter 3 months ago

    I get talking about events because that's Lud's realm, but I feel like there should've been a mention that ANY sponsored or partnered stream with things like esports org or management companies have baked in banners and ads for their sponsors. This affects a lot more than the big events and tournaments

  • Chicken Walker Installs

    I can definitely understand how this affects businesses and streamers, and I agree. However I also welcome limiting intrusive advertising when there's already annoying ads on the platform itself, and then my favourite personality is throwing yet another ad at me so that they can make money outside of twitch. I kind of agree both sides but that could be unique to me.

  • yumri4
    yumri4 3 months ago

    For 1 i am happy it was so cut and dry just i also wish they went into depth with defining everything too. Much like the EULA they make us all agree to when making a twitch account. It tells you or used to tell you the rules in a legal text format. A format that has stood up in US court for being both informing the user of what they are agreeing to and short enough that users will actually read it. The Twitch stream guidelines i wish were put out in that format sometimes the 18 pages of legal text would be more informative then what seems to be gone through PR so many times there is hardly anything left to tell you what it is. So ppl will guess and many will guess wrong. Yeah i know the age of websites being pages of text is gone but for changes like this they should have done it that way. Not mostly images to show what they mean not mostly images to say it. Images are iffy and leave a lot up to interpretation words don't and i am sure Twitch Legal would be happy to write it in a business to business way that will stand up in EU court. As EU court is stricter than US court so writing it so it holds up in EU court will mean it will in US court. Now with images Twitch is hoping the companies who do streams for charity and what not do not get a strike for this as being brought to court over a unclear image will be up to the lawyers to decide what does this image mean legally. Thus why all text is always better when talking with and talking about sponsorships and advertising.

  • AllNamesAreJustTaken
    AllNamesAreJustTaken 3 months ago

    Amazing and informative video! Ty Ludwig

  • Red Spy
    Red Spy 3 months ago +961

    The problem is that Twitch can (and likely will) use this rule as an excuse to ban streamers that they personally don't like. Their track record is abhorrent, and I have no doubt that we'll continue to see more examples of unequal moderation in the coming years.

    • Stephen Mason
      Stephen Mason 3 months ago +57

      Absolutely 100% correct. Not even 99%, 100.

    • Viking Raven🌿🎼
      Viking Raven🌿🎼 3 months ago +50

      They've mass banned people for less than this. Some times for no reason at all.

    • midnight cupid
      midnight cupid 3 months ago +5

      this is where kick comes along, twitch is gonna make that site so popular

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  • Magskie
    Magskie 3 months ago +3

    I hope my fav streamers like toast and dougdoug come to youtube as a result. This could be a huge dub for me I don’t care about the other streamers

  • William
    William 3 months ago +1

    I love your mustache. I hope you just ignore all the stache haters and keep it

  • Abraham_linksys
    Abraham_linksys 3 months ago +2

    Twitch is targeting a specific group. The advertisers themselves. Twitch wants them to come to twitch directly. Can’t make money if the advertisers are going to the content creators themselves.

  • Sean Cain
    Sean Cain 3 months ago

    This news is making me happy and laughing at the same time Twitch is collapsing 😁😂

  • Laurier Blanc-Lehoux
    Laurier Blanc-Lehoux 3 months ago

    For the love of God please Ludwig this is the most perfect occasion to create a new platform !!! You have the ressources, the people, the willpower and the perfect circumstances to make it happen !!!

    • shlimshlam
      shlimshlam 3 months ago

      He does not have the recourses. I dont think you realise what it takes to have a server and enough bandwidth to host a site deigned for live streaming.
      He is also under contract and can't do it.

  • WhatsEndoDoing
    WhatsEndoDoing 3 months ago +792

    Twitch and Reddit are in a war about who can make their products worse.

    • existential_crisis
      existential_crisis 3 months ago +20

      I can’t even figure out who’s winning

    • irGoodman
      irGoodman 3 months ago +6

      Lucifer Morningstar 🅥 thanks so much

    • Lil Yuri
      Lil Yuri 3 months ago +3

      Reddit makes products (other than cosmetic outfits and stuff)?

    • Phrate
      Phrate 3 months ago +34

      @Lil Yuri they're basically axing all third party apps like Apollo or Reddit is fun

    • S x
      S x 3 months ago

      So true

  • LonelyLama
    LonelyLama 3 months ago

    Twitch loves proving to Ludwig that he made the right decision moving to Clip-Share.

  • Loyal Sage
    Loyal Sage 3 months ago

    There is also the angle to consider of what if someone were to sue them or take some sort of action against them because they paid to remove ads and then the content still has embedded ads. From a consumer perspective it does kind of suck when a company says if you give them money, you don’t have to watch ads and then they still show you ads.

  • Porco Rosso
    Porco Rosso 3 months ago

    the rules seems reasonable to me...
    there is still plenty of wiggle room for sponsor content...
    just not pre-recorded ones since that will be cutting into the platform's domain...
    it doesn't block you from doing well rehearse performance on stream...
    also doesn't block you from using physical props... which really can be a work around for overlays really...

  • valije
    valije 3 months ago

    With those rules I guess Ibai's "La Velada 3" will probably be streamed in Clip-Share. The hype is huge and it may blow all previous records big time (They sold out the live venue tickets in only an hour. A 60,000 stadium at that) and twitch seems to be trying to shot themselves in the foot. Yes, it is only a one time a year thing, but it can send a powerful message.

  • Astral Tempest
    Astral Tempest 3 months ago

    Did twitch staff ever explain why exactly they came up with these specific guidelines in the first place?

  • Delaney
    Delaney 3 months ago +329

    The reason Twitch has this new policy is because they’re trying to strong-arm streamers into accepting their new 50/50 contracts. If a Twitch streamer cannot outsource ad revenue, they become totally dependent on Twitch for their income. Then, all of the contract bargaining power goes to Twitch.

    • Iraxs
      Iraxs 3 months ago +4

      Please explain this less advanced

    • THM - Duel Dramaturge
      THM - Duel Dramaturge 3 months ago +67

      @Iraxs if you can only buy ads from twitch, twitch decides how much money you earn.

    • Iraxs
      Iraxs 3 months ago +16

      @THM - Duel Dramaturge oh that’s dumb as hell cuz I’m about to be affiliated and when I am I hear this news 😢 hopefully people protest this so it changes but also I ain’t supprised twitch did this because there 100% a hard liberal company

    • UltiMaxKom
      UltiMaxKom 3 months ago +26

      @Iraxs Extra less advanced: Twitch want more money.

    • Doflaminguard
      Doflaminguard 3 months ago +34

      ​@Iraxs they basically dont want private sponsorships. They want sponsorships through Twitch so they can take a cut. Long story short, twitch wants more cut of your income.

  • Quandale
    Quandale 3 months ago

    the 3% logo thing feels like a great idea except for sponsored streams. if ad revenue is essential to running those big events not the best move on twitch's part but on an individual stream there feels like there's a line between solely selling people content and solely selling people a brand that twitch is balancing on, and at least for this it feels like twitch is trying to make their platform more viewer-oriented by moving more towards that content-centric model. the space those 3% ads take up on the screen is not as big of an issue as it feels like ludwig is trying to make it, the ad is just an ad. like the focus is to create content, not to sell as many brands as possible. if this alone genuinely and heavily impacts creator's revenue streams then twitch needs to fix some bigger problems. positive change in most cases imo. for the burn-in ads, yeah it just feels like twitch is trying to cart over its' creator's brand deals over to its management to get a cut of it. from a viewer perspective this is nice because less ads but from every other perspective it's a scummy and see-through business practice

  • strault
    strault 3 months ago

    Here's my guess for Twitch:
    Twitch's long term plan is to implement an official tool into the UI for all these things, like burn-in ads and overlays. That way they can gather/sell data and eventually attempt to force a cut of it to go to them.
    They are starting the update this way to have all the negative pressure come in, and then "compromise" with a solution that they planned from the get-go.
    A boycott or something would probably be a good move, or just transfer from twitch. Just my guess 🤷‍♂️

  • aquablique
    aquablique 3 months ago +18

    ludwig pulling up brian kibler, MTG hall of famer, and saying “some guy on twitter” is hilarious

    • Andrew
      Andrew 3 months ago +1

      I like to think Brian would get a kick out of that

    • Deron Hargrove
      Deron Hargrove 3 months ago

      I figured he sounded familiar!

  • IC_Raz
    IC_Raz 3 months ago

    Here is the biggest thing... they really need to stop trying to be sneaky about this shit. That stuff flew past us years ago but now that we get the majority of our news and content from online journalists someone is going to see it. Just... make the announcement first. Be up front about it and sure, some people will be pissed, but not as pissed as if you behave like a cheating significant other trying to slip it in behind someone's back.

  • Biggie Littles
    Biggie Littles 3 months ago +1481

    Twitch is the AOL of streaming blowing a 10 Year lead.

    • Skibidi dop 🅥
      Skibidi dop 🅥 3 months ago +1

      *Here is the full clip explaining why dad left you: (Making fun of bots)*

    • Darkithna mgedrf
      Darkithna mgedrf 3 months ago +34

      Honestly, Tbf twitch doesn’t have non live stream content to back up and support the live streamed content like Clip-Share, but still. How has Clip-Share caught up so fast?

    • Jesse Hunter
      Jesse Hunter 3 months ago +4

      10 year load

    • Milo
      Milo 3 months ago +20

      Lmao it’s like Skype losing to zoom

    • D U
      D U 3 months ago +5

      @Darkithna mgedrf Because Twitch has started to run into saturation issues in a format that they only dominated because no one else really cares about. They've done their growing so now they have to make their money and start to operate like a large company. I'm not surprised at all by these changes tbh (besides the logo one which is really weird). Reminder that we are just coming off the large controversy of streamers advertising gambling to their audience of kids that led to a ton of drama and even a new 'competitor' appearing.
      I actually agree with Ludwig's 'charitable explanation' here tbh, considering Twitch would be annihilated if they actually attempted to enforce this fully. Seems more like a weapon they want to have in their arsenal more than anything to purge problematic advertising done by creators. Which is a very understandable desire for Twitch considering how dumb many streamers are with the advertisements they are willing to engage with.;

  • ultrawow65
    ultrawow65 3 months ago

    In haggling, your initial offer with be much more extreme than what you're opting for, because you take in account that the backlash would set that offer back. But the reality is that the smaller offer was what you wanted to achieve in the first place.
    Maybe it's Twitch's way to get what they want with the drama being only targeted towards the initial changes and not the entire update as a whole.

  • Richard LG
    Richard LG 3 months ago

    I really think a big part of the problem might be that people don't trust Amazon as much as Google. Twitch was great, but then they got bought out by Amazon like 7 years ago. Maybe nobody really thinks about the Amazon bit as much anymore, but the Amazon bit does impact Twitch a lot and I wonder if we all just inherently don't trust Twitch to not abuse new policies because Amazon is there lurking in the dark recesses of our minds.

  • Squid Surge
    Squid Surge 3 months ago

    This is worse in more ways than one. If most major Twitch streamers move over to Clip-Share, that means Clip-Share now controls the majority of the long form online content you can experience. That means that they can make even worse decisions but we’ll still be stuck to them because you can only make money at Clip-Share

  • Deadcat
    Deadcat 3 months ago

    Critical Role was, and proabably still is, one of the highest paid channels on Twitch. Every single stream has a 15 minute AD and fanart break plus many bonus reads/skits which means that this would be directly conflicting these rules and twitch risks loosing the massive views that they bring.

  • Behindtheplate
    Behindtheplate 3 months ago

    For the 3% you could technically do every other pixel so it looks about 50% transparency but is double the size

  • dan dalas
    dan dalas 3 months ago +732

    I like how his ventriloquist training finally starting to pay off right at the beginning of the video. Good job Lud.

    • Brennanan
      Brennanan 3 months ago +3

      John Wick 🅥 you're better than this John

    • Adesh Kantha
      Adesh Kantha 3 months ago

      lmao, i didnt even notice

  • Red Fragment
    Red Fragment 3 months ago

    I don't necessarily believe the purpose of the limitations with these ads is to attack anyone, I think it may be Twitch trying to not have a platform such as other videostreaming platforms with large pop-up ads. Especially ones that you can't even click away as it is burned into the stream by the streamer, I think that may also be the reason for a specified size limit for the ad on screen. However in saying this, I don't really use twitch at all as I don't have the time to sit through streams so I watch my favorite streamers through Clip-Share anyway.

  • Bearsbite Bears
    Bearsbite Bears 3 months ago

    What's funny is that the best-case scenario is Twitch pulling it back and saying "Sorry", and that STILL won't save them. The platform will die slower as contracts expire and the top streamers dabble with other platforms, instead of a mass exodus.

  • Chelsea
    Chelsea 3 months ago +2

    There are streamers that insert ads at the most important parts of stream, they use it to harass viewers, and Twitch obviously caught on how to how many streamers were violating that. It’s the streamers that are taking advantage of people thar ruined this for the rest of you. So honestly, this doesn’t surprise me.

  • Largemac
    Largemac 3 months ago

    as a viewer, not a content creator, I'm happy about the changes. Streams have become too riddled with ads and simply makes the viewing experience horrible.

  • Vast
    Vast 3 months ago

    This kind of reaction should’ve happened long ago, they’ve just slowly been making small changes until eventually they do everything they want to

  • FigBloppa
    FigBloppa 3 months ago +789

    If Clip-Share could manage to not have a horrible streaming feature then Twitch would have been done long ago, but now Twitch is just killing themselves

    • Danzatas
      Danzatas 3 months ago +70

      Honestly Clip-Share streaming not that bad only chat but with the extension it is pretty much the same

      CHILL IN THE UK 3 months ago +3

      nailed it

    • Valdir
      Valdir 3 months ago +1

      @Danzatas wich extension? Thanks

    • nick utzig
      nick utzig 3 months ago +2

      It’s not bad

    • dhvcc
      dhvcc 3 months ago +2

      @Valdir truffle I think

  • San
    San 3 months ago

    man, twitch is really all for streaming, they even shot themselves in the foot by making it remarkably easy for a competitor to rise and shine, by being just a bit less freaking greedy

  • Some Guy
    Some Guy 3 months ago

    Although the experience as a viewer will be better, I can see this hurting streamers

  • Keith Dragone
    Keith Dragone 3 months ago

    Yeah you gotta love how Twitch just doesn't really care about their communities. It just reminds me of the time back when my Twitch account was hacked into and stolen from me and when I tried asking for Twitch tech support to help me out all they told me in the emails; (that I still have from them). Their responses were to either just sign into my account and change my password which wasn't possible since the hacker changed my email on the account. Also option two was to go to the Q&A page and see what I am to do in the situation which on that page all it told me to do was the same thing they said in the email. So yeah twitch isn't much help at times and they seem to be more into just nuking themselves through their own failed policies and other stuff they do.
    PS: I did eventually get my account back but it was through me paying off the hacker and getting it back from them on my own without help from Twitch.

  • Carloszard
    Carloszard 3 months ago

    A new Mogul Mail is the only good thing to come out of this whole ordeal

  • Nick&Morty _
    Nick&Morty _ 3 months ago

    Twitch is so committed to gaming, they’re speed running bankruptcy.