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Since I very rarely take a selfie I wouldn't mind it at all - they could even omit the front camera as far as I care. I realize I'm far from the typical case however.
I want dual front facing speakers, not a front facing camera. I use the speakers infinitely more than I do the camera.
the thing that sucks tho it will only get a year of OS updates
@Melon Dog wtf you on about? Don't spread misinformation. Ever bought any financial product and service? They'll require you to turn on your selfie camera for verification. Also, we've shit ton of digital banks. It's called Neo banks. Paytm payments bank, Jupiter, etc etc.
@Rodolfo bruh fr. It's same here. A lot of verification process for different stuff ask for facial recognition.
@Tracenji mhm mhm
I love what they have managed to pull off here. It's amazing to see just how well hidden all the under-screen magic is.
Ya, I'd honestly rather they just put a freaking top bezel on phones. Then we can still have a perfect rectangle screen without holes or notches blocking it, AND we can have high quality cameras.
Leaving the front camera aside can we admire the beautiful design of this phone.
8:12 Image softness from selfie cam is ok, image quality looks quite usable too.For those like me who rarely / don't use the selfie cam except for basic work type video calls & meetings that quality level wouldn't be a major deal. In fact I'd prefer this over the hole punch & notch pandemic that has been with smartphone design for a while now. One thing I also didn't expect like 4:46 is how good they got in hiding it while keeping it still practically usable. Really amazing for real. Maybe compared with the last gen 'pixel binning' a higher resolution 16MP front cam did the trick.Samsung must have overhead your tips to improve image quality Zack. Afterwards Apple will pay them (Samsung) a bundle to manufacture it then call it 'their best screen ever' 😁
Same here. My front camera is for skype calls to my grandparents, and few work meetings over teams at most. So quality is good enough for me. The notch or that hole punch just ruins the screen for me. I would agree that it is a pandemic for the phones these days, as every phone has adopted it... I will consider this phone as a viable replacement for my OnePlus7 pro, as this is actually one of the very few phones without the notch or hole in the screen.
@Quack Zack i don't think you realise that they aren't actually just buying shit off the shelf. Samsung manufactures the displays based on what instructions apple says. All Samsung does is MANUFACTURE the screens so, it's still designed by apple. It's so wrong to call it a "Samsung" screen
@PanRex I'm a bit disappointed how some people get their mind blown or don't believe me when I tell them their OLED iPhones (nearly all iPhones from generation 10/X onwards) are manufactured from Samsung and it's ironic when people say Samsung phones suck when their panels is smacked right in their phone.
apple doesnt ever say it's their screen since samsung makes them
Using sensor shift stacking would be difficult to use, though using a mixture of physical sensor shifting, and electronic shifting with pixel binning might work, though it would probably only ever be for still photos, because video would require one hell of a geniva drive
As much as the underdisplay camera tech is commendable, the image and video quality still looks bad enough. But this is a perfect phone for someone who hardly uses the front cam. Would love to have such a device cuz it looks gorgeous.. the all screen look is amazing... they have done a fantastic job camoflauging the camera hole.
I hope they can fix this because Unserdisplay camera should be the future
@StarfoxHUN they said anyone that uses their front facing camera for video production. That includes influencers, Einstein. They only said that average, normal people shouldn't worry too bad about it. Because it's a decent enough camera.
I've stuck with my oneplus 7 pro from 2019 because it is so far ahead in thinking that it still looks futuristic now with sleek edges and the full screen with a popup camera. It also had 90hz refresh rate at 1400p or 1080p and it's just too good to upgrade. This might actually be the replacer for my oneplus 7 pro tho because I really love the screen and the under-display tech is cool ad but I don't ever use the from camera
I just want it to be good enough for face unlock
I'm personally someone that never uses the front facing camera on my phone so these are not really issues for me.So as far as I'm concerned getting a phone without that "annoying" notch or hole punch is a win.On the other side though I don't really feel comfortable spending more than a couple hundred bucks on a phone, so I'll stick with my Poco X3 pro for awhile longer I think.
@GrayWolf That is very much true, I could never see myself pay more than €300 for a phone cause at this price you basically have a phone that can do everything you want it to do
Funny thing is we now pay more for a feature we never use.
Hey Zack, I’ve been a fan for a few years now. If there was one thing that I would like to see on your channel is a twist test. Although not as common of an accident, a similar event could occur with everyday use.
Now this is a technology I can get behind. Not having to deal with a hole when using full-screen stuff is a game changer.
Being able to completely hide the camera under the display will allow placing multiple cameras, hereby greatly improve the image quality.
The image quality hasn't improved, but holy heck have they hidden the sensor well. I really hope something like this becomes the norm in the US. Invisible selfie cam is probably the next big smartphone leap that I'll buy into.
@Ahab Hyde I don't know of any county other than US
worsened, halos appeared
@Nathan Shurtz Well it's a good thing that phones can actually be taken apart and looked at to know whether there's a "hidden" camera underneath... And how do you know there's no hidden cameras in hotel rooms right now? It's rather easy to hide it anywhere if it's small, and it's not like you'd be checking everywhere in your hotel room every time. Kind of a moot point to fuzz over.
Just imagine when tv and monitor manufacturers start placing these in their devices to collect user data to sell you ads. 😅
I don't. Even though I think it is cool, just think of the implications for surveillance and invasion of privacy in places like hotel rooms. Like ya, I don't have anything to hide, but I still expect to be able to have areas that don't have cameras I don't know about.This tech is cool, but if you care anything about privacy, you'd better see that this is an additional avenue for invasion of that privacy.
Axon 30 actually looked a bit sharper. Not quite Potato Camera quality but, they've still got a LONG way to go. I'll settle for a small cutout rather than have images that look like the lens is smudged.
Thanks for a interesting review. Image sharpness is critical for the pictures that I take. Since there are additional cameras on the back of the Phone that won't have the softness issue, I don't see the softness for just the front cam as a problem. I really admire that it can take a beating. The price tho... Also not a fan of any phone without headphone jack. +1 for including the charger.
If you asked me years ago, ZTE is the absolute *last* company I'd expect to be pioneering the invisible front camera!
For me the best full screen experience it’s a pop-up camera. I know i trade waters resistance for this but for me it’s worth. My OP 7 Pro have almost 3 years and still feel like an new phone.
@Quack Zack for photos and videos yes, you are right but what about video calling? :)
I think the best of all worlds is the rear camera for selfie via a rear screen viewfinder. This is the most expensive solution out of all but: 1) UPGRADES the picture quality rather than degrades, 2) doesn't compromise water resistance, 3) no moving parts or software tricks needed.
The earlier one looks kinda better. Too much softening on the new one..😵
That would just be a software issue, not a hardware.
@visualdarkness maybe the AI these days can handle that 🤔. But still it was good to see how technology evolved today.
You mean smooth and exfoliated 😻
@dxdhh Would be interesting to see what stacking multiple of these cameras could achieve. I might be able to counteract some artifacts.
@Jack Darrow You can only optimize, what is essentially is shooting through a "dirty" screen, to a certain degree until the only option is faking it. If the camera/optics can't resolve well enough to capture skin texture then you could have post-processing add fake skin texture to the face, but it will be a fake one.
i had bought and used the previous generation axon 30 as my daily driver for the past 4 or so months now and I couldn't be happier as the camera is almost completely invisible when watching widescreen content and is only really noticeable when actively looking for the transition. the camera quality looks the same but that is fine as i never use it and why I was so happy being early to this technology, it makes me happy knowing that since it looks this good it will have to be added to more phones and will force the removal of the stupid camera bump. only issue I have with the phones is that it doesn't have a water resistance rating but since the technology is new i expect it to become more water resistant in the later generations
I like how you use footage from the camera your testing, it definitely helps.
I'll buy the 6" version instantly. Never took a selfie but I like smaller phones.
Brilliant improvement by ZTE. I don't use the selfie camera on my phone so the quality doesn't bother me. The no hole-punch, notch or pill is a plus from me.
I really like the idea of shifting the camera ever so slightly to take 2-4 photos and then merging them to remove the smudges we'd get from the pixels being in the way.
@TheMacco26 and here we are. This is the answer. Actually, its so easy I could easily write an app for doing this if I had more time.Step 1: Use feature matching to align 2 (or more) images. median filter them. Much better image guaranteed.
The display's pixel density is way too high for something like this to be efficient
For reasons dumbass people won't understand, it doesn't work like that
Simply shifting pixels might help, even if you find a way to completely turn off the pixels under the camera when it's active, then that'd probably go leaps and bounds. The fact is that the camera still needs to see through tiny little diodes that are over it though, so in this case a better camera could actually make this worse... So yes, I agree that moving the camera X pixels and taking different photos to pick the "clearest" pixel lines from, or even take a 200ms video and use deblur and some other commonly used tricks to improve images may help.
double camera arranged such that the pixel of the screen is at different positions at the centre of the camera.
The Underscreen, Mirrored-Sunglasses front camera without seeing its eyes(Lens) is incredible! 😁
Love how you just keep growing and growing the channel. Loving my solar I got installed this year. Now need that electric car.
I love how he calmly talks about the phone greatness along with him aggressively trying to destroy it
The front camera is still inferior in quality to the usual camera for this time, I think.
Impressive! It's amazing how they have figured out the screen so the hole punch ain't visible anymore. I do agree that the camera doesn't look good but I would say that there's people out there that don't care about selfies and would rather have a screen like this. Looking forward to more improvements!
@Tim Goodliffe do you have anything credible to back up your statement? Theory or credible sources?
@Tim Goodliffe Bruh, you literally have to get it to perfect angle to see it.. Did you even watch the video?
Its still not great, you can still see it. but dont really notice it in most apps. also the screen is prone to loss of pixles, as welll as ghost touches
Yes, me, either pop-up camera or this, I really don't like holes in screen... :(
I can’t wait for this to be released in the UK. I don’t take pictures of myself (why?) and it reminds me of the Xiaomi Mi Mix which I ordered from China. Loved that phone.. nice bend test mate.
I think overall they went the in the right direction, if it's supposed to be hidden it should be really hidden, not a compromise. But I'll wait a generation or two for them to make it a bit better quality. I really like the back.
and if when you open the camera the pixels in front of the sensor slides to the sides ? it could be a good idea and the image would be perfect afterwards 🤔
I have the Oppo 10x Zoom and the camera simply goes out whenever needed. This not only removes any downside regarding picture quality, but also reassures the user from a privacy standpoint when having a zoom call for example. Such a simple solution. The only downside of the Oppo is that is slightly thicker than most phones, but this is probably also due to the optical zoom. ZTE should just copy from Oppo and use those resources to make it thinner
Now it's Samsung's turn. Also, my wife is wondering when the JerryReadsEverything channel will be released? (Her name idea) Us adults need soothing bedtime stories too.
Samsung did make one. Its called the z fold 3
audio book by sir zach sounds like a good idea
That voice tho'! Yea, I'd rather a Jerry Reads book. And I'm a boomer!
@DGianstefani what ever testing they need to do they might try on A series first for through other phone companies
It looks blurry as fuck Samsung will never release a flagship with such a bad camera
even though I rarely use the selfie camera, this looks really bad for my tastes. Guess it's a be careful what you wish for kind of case since it's either hole or bad quality, I doubt the ai can fix the picture to perfection even with imporvements
The front camera looks shockingly soft cuz of the screen in the way for videos but if they make some software that understands the blur map the screen makes for photos it could take 2-5 photos and stitch and post process them into what would probably be a close to sharp image.
Great video, Can we also later have a video about the under display camera technology explained, display layers tesrdown, pixels in the image sensor area and an exploded view of it ? That would be great.
personally i use front camera only for videocalls, so the fact that it is completely invisible when not used is way more important than the image quality it have. hope this technology will go to other phones too (or we just get thicker bar at top again that will hide camera, instead of punching holes into display)
If they can hide the camera under the screen, approximately where the eyes of my contact is at a videocall, without messing up the picture while camera is on, I would consider on next time, but not now.
While not the best quality, it's impressive how much the technology has improved in just 3 generations. I guess that in 2 more generations we aren't going to find any noticeable difference between photos taken with an under-display camera an a normal one...Also, in 5 years, apple is going to release their own under-display camera and say that they invented the whole concept...
@Heavy0331 of course android fanboys do exist. who fanboys on no product?
@R͔̪̞Y͉͍͜Z͓̞̟E̻̝͉N͉̫͙ R̷Y̷N̷E̷ spoken as if android fanboys don't exist
@OW well they do say it keeps the doctor away
Always one person that can't keep Apple out of their mouth lol
Legend says that Apple invented 120hz display in 2022😂
The camera has never been something I've taken into account when considering if I'll change my phone.
I honestly prefer to see my camera. But the one thing I like about it being in the screen is how some phones show a white circle around it to show that it is on. If you have the camera app open then duh but I still thought it was nice. I do like edges to phones too because I hate to accidentally touch something or have to undo an action.
As someone who rarely uses the front facing camera, this would be fine for me. I currently have the OnePlus 7 Pro, the Pop-up is great, and I love the screen real estate. My next phone will probably have an under screen camera
Wow, the fold 5 will definitely use this tech. Respect. It really, finally is invisible.
The improvement in hiding the camera is mind blowing!!!!I dont take that many selfies and always have preferred the back ones anyways
@Romano video call its 720P anyway thats what feels like this phone at 4K lol
@Romano most of laptop selfie camera have similar quality to this one
@Romano I'd definitely take the slightly worse quality over the god awful how punch.
@MuhammadAzeem my zoom meetings are looking pretty crisp, it might be an issue on your end. Have no experience with Teams.
@Romano Zoom and Teams already compress the video streams to hell so that also does not matter as they care more about less latency and stable connection
A Pop up camera like from the Oneplus 7 pro was the perfect thing. Still water resistant, durable and with awesome quallity.
I think the future should be a pop up camera also for laptop, for privacy I can't trust a device with a camera that I can't see
The thing I personally hated most was display intrusion by notches or holes display should be neat for viewing only
*I think there should be 2 cameras. One under display and one above display in thin chin which wil capture picture at high quality but monochromatic and main selfie camera will capture true colors but at very low pixel quality. And then both photos will be merged to make high quality true color selfie.*
Pretty impressive. I am waiting for years for a phone with NO front facing camera. I don't need it, I don't use it. And I certainly am not willing to accept a notch for it. So this phone is pretty cool, I can just forget that the camera even exists and don't have to be annoyed by a notch or holepunch for something I don't use. Nice work, ZTE.
Ever heard of the asus zenfone 8 flip?
What about the slow charging Iphone? They still big bezels fugly notch.
@Konstantin Tsherkezov I think I'll take worse quality camera with tight water proof instead of great quality flip/popup camera with bad water proof. The amount of times I actually rinse my phone with water deliberately or accidentally is too great for me to ever consider a phone without good water proofing.
My phone has a pop up camera which is also an option. You can also look at something like the asus zenfone 8 flip. It has all the bells and whistles but the front camera is actually the back camera
When the image quality is that bad it doesn’t seem worth it. I’ve never looked at my phone (iPhone 13) and been bothered by the front camera. I understand some people may like the form over functionality, but the tech definitely needs to get better before it makes it into huge volume flagships
To my eyes it actually looks like the camera quality took a little step backwards from the 30 to the 40. The 30's camera seems a little sharper. They're both terrible but that's the trade off for the uninterrupted screen.
I think Jerry is on hustler mode! The phone said 6:32 AM at 7:04 😂👍 Edit: Really nice design and very innovative, espiacally in the current boring Smartphone market! 😎
Thought the same too with the slightly lengthy sponsor plug's! - but it's ok - Linus of Linus tech tips would be proud.
Theres definitely a difference between useable and want to use. Would I buy this phone for the front camera, no. Is the front camera able to used, yes.
This is commendable. They will nail the picture/video quality soon. That is when Apple and Samsung will copy the technology and release a wickedly masterminded version of it.
@Quack Zack sorry, still a copied idea
Samsung might use the rear cameras as a solution, it's been done on the Flip and Fold ultra-premium line up via an OLED panel as a rear viewfinder. A very expensive premium solution but I think it works very well!
Apple is good at it.
The rear panel lifted off during the bend test. But at least it didn't snap in half.
The camera quality is laughable but I'm honestly shocked how well the camera is hidden. It looks worlds better than what's on the Fold 4.
Corporation would love this invisible camera ,they could only track you us so far, now they could see us too if this technology come to newer phones 🙂
it would be interesting if they could develop a phone in which the pixels could turn off completely when the camera is in use
Pop-up selfies is still the way to go for me because of the full privacy when it's off and will very much be obvious when it got secretly used.
im not an illegal or a billionare so im good. it take alot of efford to use someone camera phone without permission especially with today OS.
I'd rather have something like a sliding door. So that not the camera moves but a tiny piece in front of it. Know what I mean?So layered it would be: Glass, sliding door, camera.But moving pieces are in general maybe not so good.
@dejco yes, but that's not a camera.
they can still listen 🤫
@Fawry yeah, I know, I was just stating a fact, just to make it clear that there needed to be moving parts, smaller or less, they're still moving parts
I personally prefer the axon 30 camera just because of the image quality and exposure and how bright the collours are, the axon 40 is just too much for my eyes x3
As a user of POCO F2 Pro I just love to have full screen without any notches or holes. Still thinking that popup front cam is better idea (I used front camera like 10 times since I own this phone, I can even have no ff cam 😂).
So if it's so invisible, wouldn't it make sense to place it near the centre of the screen so you can look directly at it when taking a picture?
Its good to have good technology, but the danger of people getting filmed without knowing there’s actually hidden camera is quite terrifying
I would gladly trade the blurry selfie for the amazing screen if I could afford it
@R͔̪̞Y͉͍͜Z͓̞̟E̻̝͉N͉̫͙ R̷Y̷N̷E̷ as if linux was the most secure thing out there? you're not getting spied if you are a normal citizen, it's all in your head lol
If you're ever so worried about getting spied on, get a Linux device (in a phone form factor of course).
@Dragon you're gonna have trust issues with any phone that has cameras or microphones bro😂Edit: don't worry too much because apple says they don't see any of your info or sell it, I'd trust apple to manage everything because they haven't lied to us yet!
@Ventilate that's because most big shot smartphone manufacturers wouldn't use this tech for the mass marketSo low tier, lower flagships would implement this technology and sell to a small audience
@Galaxy rock Studio Eh higher price wasn't really a thing on the phones that had em
ZTE nailed the ascetics of the under screen camera and now just have work on image quality. I am not a picky person when it comes to camera quality but it’s pretty bad. Since I almost never use my front camera it is just good enough for me. Can’t wait to see them improve it.
The selfie cam still has a ways to go, but it's very promising
I never use the front camera so this is amazing.
To be honest I use front cameras so rarely I would much rather have a slightly smudgy camera totally hidden under the screen than a hole in my screen
I don't use the front camera at all, so it wouldn't bother me. I hope other Brands come up with this tec as well. For now, i don't see any good reason to switch from my Galaxy S10. It's nice to have a headphone jack in case I need it ;)
Yeah tbh I'd get a phone with an under screen camera. I don't use the front camera often
Same, but I'm currently rocking a note 20 ultra
I initially liked my S9+ but as it aged the bugs kept growing and growing. Now I just use it as a camera/ youtube player while I use an iPhone as my main phone.No point selling it since I'm not going to get much but the positive is I'm now in both ecosystems
i barely use the front camera , so yes i would love to have it hidden , i would be fine with the quality this phone has if it means i don't get to have missing screen space
I hardly ever use my phone's front facing camera, so the worse image quality would be ok. It seems just fine for videocalls. Most people that take selfies put filters on them anyway.
This is it. The screen part is done. For someone who rarely uses front camera, this is a perfect phone in every way.
The hidden display is freaking awesome because I hate the aesthetics of the holepunches and notches. With that being said, it has has o be effective and I don't like the way it processes the photos.
Could there be a way to cover the camera digitally with the portion of the screen that is over it being always on with an other than black (off) color?
Hey, Jerry! I have a test suggestion for you. Can you please consider testing the touch sensor with the glass cracked? Let me explain why it might be a useful information:One day I had an important meeting and was on my way when I accidentally slightly bumped a corner of my OnePlus one. It resulted in a very small (almost not noticeable) ~1/3" crack which wasn't even at the screen, just on the bezel. But it was enough for the touch sensor to let me down completely! I wasn't able to answer calls (from the meeting I was heading to) and to even unlock the phone.It was such a big shame for me and a huge missed opportunity. I looked up which phone's touch sensor was immune to this kind of damage (so it'll still be operable) and there's no such information in specifications or in any review to this day. It might be a good fit for your videos' format I suppose. Thank you for reading =)
@Wan ja touch sensor wasn't working at all, so I couldn't enter even one digit of my passcode
just unlock it whit your code???
They're getting there! Very good concept. Super pumped for the under display camera to get better. This is just a first step
I don't use my front selfie camera so I would say that it's so worth purchasing.
My opinion its never gonna be the same as glass when it comes to clarity it most likely will come really close to clarity of glass but since its underneath a display i feel like its not gonna be same as a camera underneath glass
When it comes to Apple's turn, they will put the camera in the center of the screen, to give you a true front-facing experience!
a very nice smartphone, on the back, camera design resembles very much Samsung. and yes, it is amazing to see a hidden front camera hidden on the display - finally!
It isi very much useable and heading towards the right path. Under display front cameras are the future, everybody loves a large screen panel with nothing covering it up.
I do have a cheaper, old ZTE, that I no longer use, but their rear camera's do take amazing photos. As to the front camera on that phone, yeah, not too flash, but if it makes me looks 20 years younger, who am I to judge. :D
the softness of the front camera picture quality is definately a deal breaker for me
It already has a massive camera bump, just add a viewfinder and keep the underscreen camera for videocalls.
i love it when companies actually offer something special when they charge you for +800 euros for a phone. whether it's a second lcd display, 120x zoom, hidden camera, etc. still haven't find anything special in iphones though
@Never_ iphone fastest processors???? They're being out performed by a 400 bucks xiaomi lol
Iphones get software updates for longer than any other brand and they have the fastest processors. I personally don't own an iphone, but that's what came to mind for me.
I'll have to wait for next year's phone if they continue to bring such specs to the table
Before you take the phone apart, could you take your lighter to the pixel cluster hiding the selfie cam?
if they added a back screen just like in the z flip 3 itd be perfect, cause that way the front camera would only be used to videocalls wich never demands much quality
Honestly, solid phone. Yes they do need to work on the under screen camera, but go ahead and name 1 phone with a perfect under screen camera you can't visibly see.To me most flagship phones are basically for people who live on their phone, so if you want a good selfie camera for Instagram or tiktok or whatever you are using it for, get a phone known for that, not one known for looking good and being the new flagship of (insert brand name here).
For me particularly, this phone looks amazing, because I'm not very used to take selfies, it appears for me good enough for some quick selfies for some profile pictures. Most of the time that I want a really good photo I probably would use the rear cameras. Would love to have money to buy one of these btw.
Have a question - Scratch Test: Why do you write numbers until 10 when you stop at level 7 unless that glass is a sapphire? 🙂
To be honest I can hardly tell if there's any difference between axon 30 and axon 40 I mean they both sucks if they were to used as a selfie camera but as a under display working camera it's good
the oneplus 7 pro's solution was by far the best, bought one used after 2 years and the camera is still working like on the first day
This is the future. They only have to fix the imagine quality problem but the hiding is top notch
the best were pop up camera, you got the full front display and a good quality camera. Don't know why they didn't stick around
I like that they are working on the under display tech, but I will still take a notch, pill, or punch over it. Still loving my clear JRE knife! I highly recommend them.
How would the screen protectors work over the camera? Usually there is a cut on it over the camera, even if the screen is going over it
Honestly, for video, this is good enough. I couldn't actually tell it was an "undercam" till you mentioned it. This should become mainstream.
for someone who would maybe use the front camera once a year for a videocall, it could be a cool option. but if youd ever want to take any pictures with it, hard pass
First ZTE was the company with the first modern flip phone, now improving under display camera's. Won't be surprised if we see other companies release better versions within the next couple years
Already has a alternative version, the mix 4 has one.
same with oppo, first with quad core cpu, first with fhd display, rotation cam, 4000mah batterie etc, they are always first and the best 🤘🏻
Considering they I use an Xperia 5 II which I love, I wouldn't mind that selfie camera quality. This ZTE is looking 🔥, however I'll stick to my device for a while longer
my OnePlus 7 Pro is still my favorite. The popup camera works great and I get a whole screen with no pinhole or cutout area... have no idea why that is unacceptable solution nowadays...
While the picture quality of the selfie snapper is really bad i would take that any day over these "black spots" average smartphones have today ruining their screens. The screen is perfect with this Axon and still you do have a somewhat usable selfie cam, if you ever need one.