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Phil H : "I wish I wasn't a bad loser sometimes, but it's ten times as bad to be a bad winner." The most profoundly true words the Brat has ever spoken.
The problem is when you act like a toddler... and then people treat you like a toddler... no one cares that you're mad about being treated like a toddler.If it was someone else calling out Tony G... sure, I get that. But it's pointless when it's Phil and he's throwing a tantrum in that moment.
@Turtleskull Thank you, I couldn't put my finger on who he reminded me of. Their faces are so punchable.
The only problem with this is the author... because Phil is also a bad winner. So I guess Phil is 11x worse than a decent human being.
@Quonset TheHutt I don't know, Tony G is actually kind of gracious when he loses. He is merciless when he beats a pro though.
@But who asked Point well taken. I suppose for a lot of people, working hard to win would take the fun out of playing. But for others, like me, trying to best your opponent IS part of the fun. As to the original quote by the baseball manager. He was talking about competitive professional sports. For a third point of view.. years ago, I played a lot of tennis. I never really improved my game til I played against someone much better than me. Being the loser to this other guy was also fun for me because I consistently improved. Gotta go now. Playing chess with my 10yr old granddaughter. Should I let her win? Now I'm not sure.
The best one I saw with Hellmuth was against Annie Duke at the 2004 WSOP Tournament of Champions. He had Ace-Something, she had Ace Nine. The flop comes out with the Ace and the Nine. He bets, she raises, he starts talking to himself. Finally, he shows the Ace and folds. She shows only the Nine. He thought he was bluffed out of the hand and melted down. She totally messed with him the rest of the tournament.
I love Helmuth. He's always right when he gets upset. Calling a pre-flop raise with K,3off or 4,5 off and then hitting a full house on the turn and river... LOL he's so much fun to watch lose.
It's also about the player. Minieri had K3 suited and watching Minieri he has been known to play with a wide range. Phil is looking at it from what HE would do but that's not how Minieri plays. Tony G just does it to piss him off.
Not always but he often makes good points
Frustration is part of the game. Phil has an amazing resume for his accomplishments, but bringing the old school approach into things he doesnt take beats well from smaller connectors, weaker hands / pairs and such. He may get a bit too upset at times - and for me it may just all be part of an image for publicity purpose - but still one of my favorite players of all time. Tony G will never be a likeable guy on much of any level.
He's got a point. It is worse to be a bad winner than a bad loser.
Nah gotta disagree, Phil just uses this as an excuse to be the bad loser. He whines about something or insults people at the table and when they react or give him a little needling back after being insulted, he plays the bad winner card.
They're both equally annoying.
not if the bad loser is talking shit
I think people are generally good winners but when Phil is a bad loser you just turn into a bad winner to rub it in his face lol.
I like how Dario takes the time to explain to Helmuth that he had the best hand from pre-flop to the river.
Not pre to river. Phil flopped a set against KK. Phil just got cold decked since the turn pretty much guaranteed he would take a big loss.
I love these top 5 pokerstars vids. After you've watched EVERY minute of poker on the internet its a welcome relief
"I wish that I weren't a bad loser sometimes, but it's 10 times as bad to be a bad winner." Phil ain't wrong on that one tbh.
I love how Vanessa is confused why anyone would call an all in from her. Chances are, she's done that shit a ton before and someone with a shorter stack saw that and decided to take a shot to double up. It's not just about the cards Vanessa. It's about playing you.
Then we hear the typical persecution complex "he's going after me". It's a competition sweetie. He's not going to pat you on the head and rub your belly.
"You're so bad, what are you doing?"Calls with Q high lol
@gertjan van der meij 5 Years later and it was still queen high ahaha
Poker is the only game I've ever seen where the losing guy calls the winner bad.
@gertjan van der meij everyone has king high, because they're shared cards.....So waht actually matters is wahts different, that being pocket high
@Bo Y'all stupid. When players talk about calling with X high, they are talking about their hole cards. The only time they aren't is when they are playing the board. Obviously, he wasn't playing the board, so he called with Q high.You can literally hear the player himself saying he called with Q high at 1:29.
What am I doing? I’m scooping the pot, b**ch.😉
"He goes after me every tournament"*6-bet shoves her friend with 44*
He or she just jealous
She could of always folded instead of going at her friend with 4/4
Vanessa. I hope everyone goes after her
She's tried so hard to look like a man but when she gets beat she totally pulls the poor me woman card.
@D M isn't that a dude with boobs??😂
Vanessa always flips when people call her with weaker hands. Doesnt she understand that people play her differently because of how loose she raises/ships it with?
Calling an opponent famous for low range with A9 is not a bad call. I understand it's a bad call in theory, but he said it himself why he was calling, and he was right. He didnt bet on the A9, he bet Vanessa had bad range, and he won that bet
@EverydayMusic Yea she's great "My Friend Goes After Me😭😭😭😭"
@Mike Murphy No wonder why she quit
She 3 bet him, was trying to bully him out of the pot. He already had half his stack in there, and he knows she would often play pocket 8s or lower aggressively. I don't think it is a bad call at all.
she thinks everyone is picking on her, when she screws up
Tong G is the king of tilt. Love watching him lean over a board with a set of 5's and shout "I am gonna destroy you, Im gonna eat your heart and take all your chips" its brutal.
Wise words there from Hellmuth at the end. A poor loser cannot always help him/herself. But in winning it is comparibly easy to be graceful.
I think Daniel when he's bored at home would just watch Phil blow up videos. He just loves it lol.
Watch the entire episode with Tony G and Robl it was very instructive. two of those people made questionable decisions and accused the other of "worst play ever"
5: We don't see the build-up to this, but at the turn D'Angelo sees a flush draw and decides to semi-bluff his hand. But his bet is so small it looks more like a value bet. We don't know on what range Zamani puts D'Angelo, but I think he simply reads the small bet correctly as weakness. You can see D'Angelo starting to tilt at the point where Zamani calls the Turn. He misses the flush and is in full tilt, no other explanation why he calls the River (and blows up afterwards).4: No argument here, just a devastating Bad Beat after playing everything correctly.3: Tony G being Tony G. Fake and calculated anger to provoke Robl, who stays calm and does the right thing.2: I'm a bit more an Vanessa's side here than most commenters, but this is weird from both parties. We don't see the hand from the beginning but I think, Kevin raised first and Vanessa re-raised him. Now, she might have assumed correctly that Kevin is trying to steal the Pot here and thought her 4s were good enough to prevent that. So she re-raises him. Note how the commentators say "Against any other player he would ditch this hand." So there is a personal note in here, fair enough. I just think they both read each other perfectly and tried to out-steal the other one. No one backed down so they maneuvered themselves to a coin flip for all the chips, completely unnecessary. But note how Vanessa has the slightly better hand pre-flop, I think it is a stupid play from both sides and Kevin got lucky on the coin flip. Vanessa's blow-up stems from the fact she read the strength of his hand correctly but he behaved irrational. 1: Tony G just relentlessly poking at Phil. Though Tony is out of line and Phil's words about bad winners are true, I get why Phil is so annoying. The dude is basically winning money in the Top 0,0001% of Poker players and is still whining every single time he gets a bad draw or the opponent makes an unlikely hand. Still funny to watch him go off :)
In the meanwhile, I've been throwing chairs trough the room because of a few dollars at the micro-stakes... Glad I lost the regular explosions and started to recognize tilt, a-game, dropping from a-game to worse, and looking long term.
#4 was a pretty minor blowup to be honest. It was a pretty bad beat and Hellmuth by himself has done worse than that about... oh, say 1200 times.Also I kinda get why Selbst was steamed about getting called by A9o but she often seems completely unaware of her own table image. People KNOW you're crazy aggressive Vanessa - you have a massive reputation for it. And the guy who called you is one of your friends who plays against you A LOT. It's completely unsurprising that he has a looser calling range against you. She'd be a little more in the right to have that reaction if it was just a random person who didn't know her who made that call but not in this situation.
"you're a disgrace to the game" the way Tony g kicks Phil while he's down is hilarious
Phil deserves it lol.
I think Selbst is a good player, but she has the typical bully mentality. It's okay for me to go after others but as soon as they fight back, they are always donks getting out of line. Sometimes you have to understand your own image at the table, and you can't be surprised when people fight back with less than stellar holdings.
Her wife is smokin
shes a whiny bitch
Exactly, which is why I always love seeing her lose
@GARY Gwin It might have been the best hand but still 44 isnt that great really. A9 is still a chance with 2 over cards.
He knew he had two overs, end of story.
You have a blocker in the 6 against the straight draw and you're calling with Q,6. You also have the flush draw so what hands are you hoping your opponent has?
What happened to Max Greenwood here, happens to me in nearly every tournament.
“He always goes after me!”She doesn’t realize there’s no allies in poker
says the woman who 6 bet a pair of 4's
Usual LGBT victim role
Or that going all in pre-flop with 44 is going after him.
Actually Phil is absolutely right at the very end, he came off the better civilized man against a EU MP.
Ryan: Calls Ben's 500k raise bluff with a Queen HighAlso Ryan: "What are you doing Ben? Ohh my goddd...you're so bad."
Was actually expecting worse, but liked the bonus stuff!
I personally love Phil and have no issue with his reactions
Doug polk With this six bet shove with his pocket fours is one of my all-time favorites
Best quote I heard from Helmuth so far, regarding Tony G.:"I wish that I weren't a bad loser but it's ten times as bad when you're a bad winner. And you are a bad winner, my friend." Phil earned my respect for that line!
I have to admit, that rather incisive roast was the last thing I was expecting.
Lol, Phils a POS to everyone that beats him but because he makes a true statement when he's on the business end of it you respect him?
Its true. Bad winners imo are usually megalucksack donks
“What are you doing Ben your so bad “Ben: I’m stacking your chips what’s it look like I’m doing
@xMystical “what are you doing Ben you are so bad” makes more sense than your doesn’t it? Think before you respond
@Ray Kazmi “im stacking your chips” makes more sense than “i’m stacking you are chips” no?
Says the guy who calls a big river bet with Q high....what a moron
@Justice Schmidt i'm talking about the first "your", not the second. sTuPiD fUcK
@david. Yes it is, stupid fuck. Please learn proper grammar.
Helmuth might have lost to Tony G on that last hand, but he still nailed him.
Props to hellmut for absolutely nailing that last statement he made.
What phil said at the end is the absolute truth in poker.
When Phil loses a hand in poker, he always says to the winner he lost to, "You're a bad winner!"
I love that Robl played mind games back. Only thing missing was him staring down Tony G as the clock expired.
10:00 had me rolling
I love when they call you a bad player because you call their bluff lol
What Hellmuth said at the end to Tony is true. If you ever watch Hellmuth win, after the game is over it's all respect.
10:20 Say what you will about Phil, that quote was 1000% spot on.
Everyone knocks Tony but that man is brilliant at what he does
Tony G filling up on the river with 54 then calling hellmuth a disgrace to the game is comedy gold
I would think of Hellmuth losing an All-Star Tournament to Annie Duke taking the top spot. Sounded like a telegraph with all the bleeps.
I can understand some of the hands Phil loses it over...anyone that watches enough poker vids has seen some of the WTF hands people go after Phil with just to get him steaming. It's scary to see how often he goes heads up and the opponent just gets what he needs.
I don't really like Hellmuth, but he had a point with that bad winner line
That last line by Hellmuth is straight truth
Top 5 mildly annoyed poker players.
@leftistLizard92 Apology accepted 😂
I want to apologize. I watched this video after seeing your comment because I didn't believe you. I believe you now.
Saved me 10 minutes. Moving on. Thanks!
yep i was expecting more
I really love it when they yell at each other. The only thing that would be better is if all assult was allowed.
10:20 wow ol Hellmuth impressed me with that line. Dropped some truth on Tony I respect it.
lol @ hellmuth taking the high road.......ive seen this guy call people idiots, stupid, morons and any number of things that if he said n the street to someone he might get punched.....most disrespectful player out there
Honestly, a great quote from Hellmuth at the end
Are you serious with that #4? That's the tamest blow-up ever, I think I've had bigger blowups than this
10:23the gut punch would be if Tony replied "well then you stop losing so much"
Always love watching Doug Polk busting.
I love how so many of these involve making a questionable decision, and then getting pissed off that an opponent made a questionable decision... 🤣
"Worst player I've ever seen" - says All-In Doug with his pair of 4's
Applause for Robl... Tony G bully tactics failing is a joy to see. Hellmuth the rare guy to speak the truth to his face.
4:12 The surfer chick saying "Now you're mocking the man" is one of my favourite poker moments.
You and the surfer chick would make a nice couple!
I was at the Borgata a few years back. Vanessa Selbst comes to the table shortstacked. She immediately starts bulldozing the table. Every hand she shows down is a winner, and several that didn't show down. She's coming back for her tournament life, but I'm starting to think she's over aggressing. I'm on the button with something like 7-9 diamonds. She reraises my button bet from the big blind and I call. I flop an open ended straight flush draw on a 10 high board. She checks, I bet, she 3 bets and I jam hoping to bluff her bluff, BUT she calls. I do have outs. The board comes runner, runner 7s. Not what I expected. She shows KK for her tournament life, and my stack takes me to the final table. She only mildly showed her discontent, and it took everything I had not to start laughing in her face. I try to never be a sore winner. Just one of my stories as an amateur. ✌️
People who get outplayed and lose a hand and call the other player bad really make me cringe and seethe with anger. Sore losers and a disgrace to the poker community.. How do you even justify that type of petty mentality?! You got outplayed, there's the door. Cya.
WOW, at 10:00 they actually cracked Doyle haha
I remember Vanessa Selbst playing a table with amateurs, one was some kind of Political Consultant, and Vanessa was totally dismantled by this amateur. That told me that Politics takes Poker skills.
how did this video miss Justin Schwartz's antics in 2015 WSOP?? He made Phil look like an angel!
That last phil hellmuth quote was surprisingly deep
Honestly Vanessa handled that extremely well. Impressive.
He really savaged Tony G with that last quote! 😝
Cant blame #4. The guy has 2 outs max , maybe 1 if someone folded jack and the river hits the J. If anything he was pretty calm about it
"You're so bad" said the guy who called with Q high.
He’s trying to save face and it just makes him look like a douche in addition to being a loser.
_projection is an unconscious defense where you blame another person for the very thing you are guilty of_
@Artur Nogueira You never call with Q high. He was hoping for a flush draw and bricked. He should have raised on the river, but he's bad at poker.
@Fluorineer Results oriented? That's a stupid term that you made up. He wasn't correct, he called with a Queen, that's stupid. If he was trying to bluff, he should have raised, not called.
Hey dweeb that called with gueen high and bad mouthed the other player. Where are you now idiot?
I love how all of the ppl complaining should’ve folded and then go on to blame the ppl making the right calls for being bad players. Such sore losers and the ones like Vanessa she should’ve fold to the raise but said his move was bad you got 44 not JJ, QQ, KK or AA or even AK it’s funny she’s the one who made the bad move lol
10:20 This is a completely true commentary by Phil...
That last one, I love how Phil tried to sound like he was taking the high road, but he just comes off sounding like a fool instead.
Travis Leonard I actually gained even more respect for him bc of that. Tony is a very very bad winner, but it gets him PAID a lot more often than he would by making friends.
The only thing I agree with Phil Hellmuth on: worst to be a bad winner than a bad loser
Helmuth is essentially me online. Losing with AA constantly when the idiots call shoves with top pair and hit 2 pair or running flushes/straights. Jokestars.
Poker newbie here. A9 vs 44 so what's wrong with this one? Just by looking at the winning % the odds didn't look that bad? I've seen two people with good hands before with worse odds than that but that's ok? Is it because the person with 44 could have something like KK from A9's perspective?
For the rest of my life I will never tire of that hand with that little dude Selbst almost crying hahahahahaha
I feel sorry for anyone that has to sit at a table with Helmuth and Tony G. Couldnt think of anything worse.
first hand was atrocious...how do you not fold or raise? call with Q high lol.
@ggaccentc I don't even think a raise would help hear. The community cards sucked.
I don't even think he could have bluffed there, because of how crappy the community cards were.
@Fluorineer no just no.
He's beating suited connectors. Calling lets him win the same amount of money as raising, since he probably wouldn't make anything but a bluff fold there (anything else wouldn't be trying to bet value against him).
#5 is the only one of these that's actually bad. 4 is 100% understandable, 3 is more random antics than a blow-up (he wins the hand after all), 2 is actually fairly subdued (most of the complaining is on the rail), and 1 is mostly deserved (Phil is right, Tony G is a shitty winner).#5 is crazy though; when I first watched I thought he had misread his hand and the blow-up was going to be about how pissed he was about misreading his hand. Instead it's his opponent's fault he called with queen high? GTFO dude.
10:20 Phil does what no one else does - takes responsibility for his actions, and then tell the TRUTH about Tony... fantastic!
I love to see people like the first guy get so"butt hurt." I get that a lot of money is at stake but I have no respect for someone making personal attacks against someone literally just paying the game and getting lucky. The entire name of the game is calculated risk and luck. Shitty unsportsmanship
"And your a bad winner". I never thought I would ever agree with Phil.
I thought Vanessa's reaction to the crappy call was pretty restrained. Hardly poker brat territory. Although she deserved a bit.
I do think he made a crappy call, in the sense that he called the player despite shitty odds, only because he wanted to beat her.. Calling a 3-bet with a weak Ace is bad odds. Then calling an all in 6 bet with a crap Ace is even worse. However, all I said was, I don't think her reaction was in poker brat territory. Not compared to the other reactions.She was ahead the entire way. She said nice hand and did not pitch any kind of fit. That was NOT poker brat.
Chewbecca101 it's not a crappy call,he was a friend of hers,meaning they have played a lot of hands together,he read her hand perfectly and knew she was repping a much better hand than she had.he knows how aggressive she is,looked and his A9 and literally said "I'm probably still ahead".then she had a moan cause too stupid to figure out why it happened "he always go's after me I don't understand why",really? u don't understand why? maybe because he has countless times seen you put all your chips in with bullshit hands like 44
I must be misreading this title. With the exception of Phil, NONE of these were even remotely blow-ups and for Phil's blowups these were LOW on the list. And number 3 didn't even show any anger at all from anyone. Whoever put this list together must have watched poker for the first time, for one day.
5:55 am i the only one that is impressed with her skills with the chips???
I am confused, in one of the last clips (Hellmuth vs Minieri) the graphic shows that Hellmuth has a full house and Minieri has a 3 of a kind, but Minieri is said to be the winner. I thought full house beat 3 of a kind, am I missing something? or is the graphic messed up?
Minieri has KKK 77 full, Phil has 999 77 full
he hit the nail on the head Phil Hellmuth is the biggest disgrace to the game in the history of Poker
Phil's comment at the end is 100% correct, though. I wish I wasn't a bad loser, but it's 10x worse to be a bad winner.
Tony G was absolutely right to get upset and say something...ROBL taking 5 Hours to think about his next move...This is a FULL Table...ROBL was playing so Slow it was Ridiculous
7:29She shoved with pocket 4s... I'm starting to understand why you don't see her around much anymore.She's the Danica Patrick of poker.
I like Selbst, generally speaking, as a player, but percentage wise, she was behind over 10% pre-flop to win that hand. She HAD to know, being the pro player that she is, that AT BEST she was only SLIGHTLY ahead and in a race! As far as I'm concerned, she has no reason to be mad. SHE. WAS. BEHIND!
I don’t understand why Selbst was so mad she got called. It’s her fault for going all in with a pair of 4’s before the flop. Nearly ANY pair beats her. She would have accepted an Ace Jack but an Ace Nine and she gets mad?
How did Minieri beat Hellmuth with 3 kings when Hellmuth had Fullhous?
I think sometimes they forget it is called gambling. So at times you take a gamble on what appears to be a bad hand.
"I don't know why he goes after me every single time, he's my friend."Did Selbst forget that she was at a poker table, there are no friends in poker! (I don't literally mean you can't be friends, talk, make banter, etc, I mean you should never go easy against someone you know)
Hellmuth and Minieri both get a full house. Poor Phil though, again thought he had best hand. I think Minieri gets underestimated though at times. Dude can play poker with different hand ranges when possible. Hellmuth did respond in respect though. Cool to see.
I love when players lose then complain the WINNER of the hand is "so bad"
If I saw Tony G sitting at the same poker table as myself, I would have to sit out until one of us were moved or he makes stupid play and busts. I have very small doubts I could stop myself from getting arrested because as soon as he begins to try and insult me I would just start throwing punches until I was stopped or run out of energy, that dude is so rude, especially for is average skills, I don't claim to have better skills just not the patients for his rude mouth.
#4 was mild as shit. Anyone would show frustration with a two-outer river Jack knockout. C'mon.
I never get tired of watching people lose with small pockets.22 - 55, they limp, you raise and they shove. So fucking annoying.Glad to see justice. By the way, AJ and A9 is not that far behind.
even Doyle Brunson was laughing at when Tony G said, "you're a disgrace to the game" at 10:01
I feel like Vanessa was the least out of line. She wasn't so much as mad at the call as she was the it was him coming after her. She's a helluva poker player and this doesn't really tarnish my image of her as a classy player.