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Hands-On with Delidded AMD Ryzen 9 7950X CPU

  • Published on Nov 28, 2022 veröffentlicht
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  • Gamers Nexus
    Gamers Nexus  3 months ago +157

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    • Thomas Shears
      Thomas Shears 2 months ago

      @Oren computer & electronics oh missed that bit my bad long day,

    • Oren computer & electronics
      Oren computer & electronics 2 months ago +1

      @Thomas Shears he was said it was delid by amd. Example sample

    • Thomas Shears
      Thomas Shears 2 months ago

      How did you manage to delid it?, I thought all amd CPU are soldered unlike Intel?

    • Oren computer & electronics
      Oren computer & electronics 2 months ago

      @GMax's Food & Fitness most of user dont need cpu more then 7000 (on passmark) but need much gpu power at low TDP.
      if will be that cpu , it will be best seller. CPU under $80 , IGPU more then 1.5Tfloat/sec

    • Oren computer & electronics
      Oren computer & electronics 2 months ago

      @GMax's Food & Fitness yes , i see that 2 die(i/o) is CU for gpu.
      As i know ,all 13th intel cpu will be at 7nm note.
      What the "power" of 2 graphics CU in Tfloat/sec - all that at 35W

  • SmallbutDeadly
    SmallbutDeadly 3 months ago +1187

    These recent AMD announcements got me a crazy deal on a Ryzen 9 5900x, which was only around $320 off of Amazon.
    I know its not good to go AM4 for upgradability reasons, but considering I'm going from a Ryzen 7 1700 which I've had for quite a while now, and the fact that the new lineup is gonna be much more expensive on launch, I feel like it was a good choice. The 5900x will hopefully last me a good 5-10 years or so.
    Edit: Ok so, that CPU never arrived. I asked for a replacement from the seller, that one also never arrived. The seller is now offering me a refund that I really hope will come through.
    Its been two full weeks, I'm just gonna buy the CPU at full price from a reputable seller. Its gonna cost me almost $400, but I just wanna upgrade my system at this point. I couldn't care less that I'm paying that much for this CPU now that I've had to wait this long.
    Honestly though, this is was a pretty good learning opportunity for me. Biggest thing to take away from this is even if the price is the lowest, always fully inspect the reseller before you buy to make sure that they can be trusted, especially if its for such an expensive product.

    • Superkoopatrooper
      Superkoopatrooper 25 days ago

      It's going to be such an upgrade for you.

    • G L
      G L 2 months ago +1

      Excellent price. You are a strong Human being. I for one will not sleep at night due to Tech bleeding edge greed. Only thing I'm waiting and willing to settle for is the 7900x or 7950x. (But to put it in perspective, my last PC build, that sadly died in the Pandemic was i7 5820k Haswell. I lied to myself and said I'd get the Ryzen 3000 series, then said I'll wait for 5000, (but sadly could not find stock... Now thank heavens, I'm ordering 7000 come hell or high water. Enjoy !

    • Robin Parmar
      Robin Parmar 2 months ago

      My 5900X was €560 ten months ago... but worth it!

    • Star of Eden
      Star of Eden 2 months ago

      i think i paid 343 dollars for my 1700 in 2017
      im still using it
      runs every game out there butter smooth still with b-die samsung memory at cl 14
      and only goes about 30-60 percent usage depending on games so its good
      but im very eager to get a 5900x now

    • ArtisChronicles
      ArtisChronicles 2 months ago

      You've basically done what I did, but I stuck to the same tier I started with. Started with a 1700x and upgraded to a 5700x. I also got that 5700x on sale when I did it.

  • Keyboard G
    Keyboard G 3 months ago +462

    I’ve had the same Noctua cooler since AMD Bulldozer. They gave me a free adaptor to work on AM4. They fact that it will continue to work on AM5 is nuts.

    • ArtisChronicles
      ArtisChronicles 2 months ago +1

      Oh heck, that's excellent news for me. If I ever upgrade to AM5 I'm covered then.

    • Serp D.
      Serp D. 2 months ago

      @Dennzer1 No I dont need that, Its a full copper block and copper rad and stainless steel parts, I think. I also use PVC tubes, still not brittle. I use a clear UV active fluid since I build it. If I have a small leak I can see it. I have cleaned so far this system only 3 times. I hardly can see anything when I cleaned it.

    • Dennzer1
      Dennzer1 2 months ago

      @Serp D. do you have to clean it, drain it, refill it, or partly disassemble it at least once per year? Also, great job!

    • Dennzer1
      Dennzer1 2 months ago

      @Defective Degenerate Haven't you heard? Apparently , the internet says we are idiots..... or, anyone who either buys the NH-U12A is an idiot..... or anyone who buys an air-cooler and overclocks is an idiot..... or, I can't remember all the ways that I'm supposedly an idiot for buying a tank air cooler that I'll never need to replace..... & by the time "never" runs out in this context, we will al be using 15 watt APUs for 4K 360 Hz gaming, with Unreal 7 graphics.

    • Robert Melchert
      Robert Melchert 2 months ago

      @Opt1mystyq It will probably just keep chugging as long as you keep using it regularly. From my experience aged AIO's will die if they are taken out of service and sit for a little while.

  • jmporkbob
    jmporkbob 3 months ago +106

    I love AMD's new Integrated Heat Spider.
    I'm sure it's going to become very iconic.

    • KeeVee
      KeeVee 2 months ago

      @Lishtenbird +1

    • Wahinies
      Wahinies 2 months ago +3

      @Lishtenbird owls are more accepting if you draw two eyes onto the IHS that look slightly angry with a bit of intrigue

    • Deer Jerky
      Deer Jerky 2 months ago +13

      AMD Ryzen 9 7950X with AMD Integrated Heat Spider Technology

    • MirroredVoid
      MirroredVoid 3 months ago +3

      It comes with a spider!?

    • Lishtenbird
      Lishtenbird 3 months ago +10

      YMMV, I would never want one near my owl hive.

  • Joshua Thornton
    Joshua Thornton 3 months ago +149

    The backwards compatible cooling was such a great QOL feature when they announced it. It seems so little but that saves me a couple hundred dollars right there.

    • Andrew Mitchell
      Andrew Mitchell 2 months ago

      @Ocastiâ The difference here is that you won't need adaptors except for coolers with custom backplates. The majority of coolers for AM4 use the existing mounting points on either side of the CPU so pretty much any cooler going all the way back to AM2/AM3 will also work. Keeping a CPU the same size and z-height is very much appreciated and it will also lead to less landfill waste by allowing people to use existing hardware.

    • dqniel
      dqniel 2 months ago

      @Joshua Thornton Interesting. I've never had that issue. They get the specifications well before release, so it sounds like that would be the fault of the cooler manufacturer.

    • Joshua Thornton
      Joshua Thornton 2 months ago

      @dqniel Compatibility brackets don't always come out right away. If there are significant changes to the socket, it can be a little before they get tooled, shipped and sent to you even after you order. The fact it uses the same design as am4 means you should only have to replace the screws with newer ones for the backplate. Much quicker.

    • dqniel
      dqniel 2 months ago +1

      A couple hundred dollars? I've used a Liquid Freezer II on like 3 or 4 different platforms at this point and the kits to switch platforms (that ones that weren't included with the original) were free with proof of purchase or like $6.99 without proof. Would you have had to upgrade your entire cooling setup for some reason?

    • TurinAlexander
      TurinAlexander 3 months ago

      Yup. Sure, you've got to buy a new motherboard and new RAM to go with it, but if your old ones are still decent, they help pay for the upgrades. Pretty much nobody wants to buy a used cooler though, so it's great to be able to keep using a perfectly good one old one with the new hardware.

  • Jan Stromback
    Jan Stromback 3 months ago +176

    I wonder how over excessive thermal paste might affect these, would getting it on the open components in the indents make it worse or better? I feel like I want a removeable frame for the IHS while applying paste..

    • psycronizer
      psycronizer 2 months ago +1

      @Walter Zanella yeah I haven't seen him around much but I think I once saw him do a vid on a paste compound, he's German so not that big on the English side of things, but he is around...

    • Walter Zanella
      Walter Zanella 2 months ago

      @psycronizer I always hear this Roman being mentioned, what channel is that? Is it der8auer?

    • BossManSays
      BossManSays 2 months ago

      because liquid metal is better for thermals than paste.

    • BossManSays
      BossManSays 2 months ago

      Long as it's not liquid metal you should be good.

    • Grimmwoldds
      Grimmwoldds 2 months ago

      @Username3544 Nope. Liquid metal TIM is literally in a liquid state. Gallium, indium, tin, and other stuff. Melting point of around 20 degree C, boils at 2000 C(i.e. effectively doesn't boil)

  • Factualizer
    Factualizer 3 months ago +23

    Since it is already that thick, AMD could just make a special version for liquid cooling so you could cool IHS directly with water.

      MISTER SIR 2 months ago +1

      THAT would be a neat solution

  • Mare Bello
    Mare Bello 3 months ago +3

    AMD has really come a long way from the FX series. 🥲

  • SudoYETI
    SudoYETI 3 months ago +19

    You know GN has great coverage when a short video is still 10 mins.

    • Michael Coombes
      Michael Coombes 3 months ago +5

      And it's a good 10 minutes, not repeating or over-doing stuff like some Clip-Sharers who desperately get over 10 minutes by a second to get the ad money.

  • taith2
    taith2 3 months ago +15

    It's what I've been waiting for! Planning to use LM in the future and all those exposed SMD elements seem thirsty for it
    Also can see overclocking gimmick potential that might prove popular, pumping thermal paste under IHS for better overall conductivity, wouldn't hurt I think

    • taith2
      taith2 3 months ago

      @tatooine_dream Depends what you plan to do, I'll probably pump GD900 under the lid for fun, no intent of delidding soldered CPU, but aircooler to IHS will have LM, and foam barrier... can't find aanything locally under 2mm here tho

    • HotelSoap
      HotelSoap 3 months ago

      @tatooine_dream nail polish is quick and easy. You should be costing the substrate even if it didn't have SMD because the liquid metal can seep into the vias.

    • tatooine_dream
      tatooine_dream 3 months ago

      you can just give them some protective coats tho right?

  • QuantumS1ngularity
    QuantumS1ngularity 3 months ago

    I'm happy for AMD and i really hope they get some more market share from Intel, so we can finally have so proper heated competition again. I however, like always, am gonna skip the first gen (and maybe even the 2nd; depends on the numbers and improvements) since we all know how well new platforms launch. Will let the money filled enthusiasts take the hit on this one and will join at the 2nd or 3rd gen of AM5. Memory is still quite expensive and unstable, motherboards will be as well and the real IPC uplift will come with the 3rd generation. Till the might eventually get a 5800X3D and call it a day, unless all of a sudden DirectStorage takes a huge advantage of PCIe 5.0 SSDs and becomes a big game-changer.

  • Greg Blake
    Greg Blake 3 months ago +2

    There is a big electrical benefit for having the caps on the same side of the substrate as the ICs. The effectiveness of the power supply bypass capacitors is limited by the amount of inductance between the capacitor and the chip. The via that goes from top to bottom is the biggest portion of this inductance, so moving from bottom to top comes with a huge benefit.

  • Amadax
    Amadax 3 months ago +17

    Seems much better than intel's toothpaste™ thermal solution. I've always found it kind of insane you could see 20-30c temp drops from liquid metal on the kaby lake series chips. It was just a horrible thermal design.

  • AnimeGeek611
    AnimeGeek611 2 months ago +1

    I love the fact I can literally just swap out to AM5 and use the same case psu and cooler I have right now. Then the promise to support AM5 up to 2025 + is a bigger bonus. Gonna pass down my 5600x build to my 17 year old and hop on this as soon as the prices are a little lower and there’s been a few round of updates.

    • Plague Doc
      Plague Doc 2 months ago

      That's one of the things I like about AMD. I never had anything AMD prior to my latest system (3 years old) with a 2600x. Super satisfied with its performance. I'm gonna delay until the end of the year and go with AM5 board and do a fresh build. Then just continue upgrading that since I know the lifespan of AM5 support. Intel really lacks in this way.

  • Dave Does The Games
    Dave Does The Games 2 months ago +2

    What do you think the potential is for more cores on AM5 in the future? It sure doesn't look like there's room for any more chiplets on there. Perhaps if they increased the number of cores per chiplet...?

  • Rorschach1024
    Rorschach1024 3 months ago +1

    One nice thing about the 8 leg IHS design is that it has contact ledges all around the perimeter to allow for better flatness if a thermal grizzly type mounting flange is used.

  • ManWithBeard1990
    ManWithBeard1990 3 months ago +1

    Perhaps another reason the SMD's are on top is because that makes it easier to derive a BGA version meant for laptops.

  • Sam Vega
    Sam Vega 3 months ago +8

    I wasn't expecting to see delidded so fast, but super excited to see what this 7000 series does as far as performance does. But even more exciting DerBaur is making a delid tool thats amazing because that process terrifies me lol.

  • dqniel
    dqniel 2 months ago +9

    I kind of love how the IHS looks. I'd also be somewhat terrified to try and use something conductive like Conductonaut with it.

    • TekkuGema
      TekkuGema 2 months ago

      thats why we use silicone modified conformal coating

    • MrHakisak
      MrHakisak 2 months ago +1

      Thermal grizzly also has a product that's a paint to insulate the SMD's from LM

  • Shogo 昇剛
    Shogo 昇剛 2 months ago

    The new chips looks so nice - no pins and the IHS' design is awesome, showing the capacitors on the sides. It's a shame it won't be visible under the cooler.

  • Conza
    Conza 3 months ago +19

    I think I'm over delidding, we'll see what the performance benefits are but, this one looks really hard, it's not like 3rd to 8th gen Intel where it wasn't soldered, for soldered, I'm not sure the performance benefit is worth the risk.

    • ArtificialDjDAGX
      ArtificialDjDAGX 2 months ago

      @Ocastiâ Yes, exactly, which is why my answer is aimed at the first person in this chain, someone that's going "delidding for direct die cooling is probably not worth the risk", when the gain is a nearly 30% temp decrease.

    • Ocastiâ
      Ocastiâ 2 months ago

      @ArtificialDjDAGX that's if you do direct die cooling, the IHS is the problem.
      Although delidding might still be worthwhile considering the thermal design of Ryzen 7000.

    • ArtificialDjDAGX
      ArtificialDjDAGX 2 months ago

      The difference is apparently about 20C, which brings the temp down from ~90C at high load to ~70C

    • Miguel Ortiz
      Miguel Ortiz 2 months ago +5

      Yeah, non soldered CPUS are pretty straight forward but this is way more complex. I more than likely won't try it since a 7950X costs almost 3 times what my 4790K did and I know I won't see a 15C drop like I did with Devil's Canyon.

    • Chris Rogers
      Chris Rogers 3 months ago +4

      Exactly. Certainly not worth possibly destroying an expensive part. Reminds me of people destroying AMD Durons back in the day.

  • Leoronus
    Leoronus 3 months ago +125

    I assume with these exposed SMDs and seemingly a gap between the IHS and substrate, using a non-conductive thermal compound would now be mandatory, right?
    (I know, pretty much every solution on the market should already be non-conductive)

    • Just Killing Time
      Just Killing Time 2 months ago

      @Miguel Ortiz i cant see the point of using scullion on the corners. Solder should be strong enough to hold the ihs down.

    • Miguel Ortiz
      Miguel Ortiz 2 months ago

      You can apply nail polish or some sort of sealant over them. My 4790K has SMDs about 1-2mm from the die so I put 2 coats of clear polish before applying LM. I think the biggest risk is going to be getting the IHS off without destroying the SMDs since you can't just slide it off like a traditional CPU

    • Ducc
      Ducc 2 months ago +4

      @Khola it's me, i was the idiot. Put liquid metal on without any protection, learnt hard lesson to coat a nail polish after that

    • EssJay1095
      EssJay1095 2 months ago +1

      @Khola I can only hope

    • Pizzafourlife
      Pizzafourlife 3 months ago +2

      @J MuGurr but how does it taste?

  • nightwolf667z
    nightwolf667z 3 months ago +1

    I wonder what challenges the open areas around the SMDs will create for XOC. Also if there may be some small extra benefit to down draft air flow around the processor did to these gaps.
    As tight as it already is, it has me worried for multiple generation support though.

  • Powerman
    Powerman 3 months ago +2

    AMD is really committed to the Chiplet approach considering the IHS just barely covers this and has no room for even a slightly bigger die

  • Alistair Blaire
    Alistair Blaire 3 months ago +3

    I'm gonna wait until 8000 since I really like my 5700x right now. But I'm definitely going to try and not worry about thermal paste between the feet. Paste in those spaces probably won't matter at all and you won't even see it with a cooler attached.

  • AMD Ryzen Enthusiast Group

    I can't imagine it being super easy to delid that with all the SMD's. I can't wait to see what Roman comes up with. (Der8uer)

  • Kevin McKaig
    Kevin McKaig 3 months ago +5

    The IHS looks like it requires a lot more machining than previous generations.

    • Laurel Sporter
      Laurel Sporter 2 months ago

      It's probably mostly, or entirely, stamped.

  • RavTokomi
    RavTokomi 3 months ago

    Wonder if the IHS will have the same issues as the Intel 1700 with bending and mounting pressure. Seems to be much thicker. Also curious how cooling looks with smaller dies that are even further from center than Zen3.

  • Edmond Hung
    Edmond Hung 2 months ago +2

    As electronic engineer, I concern on the extra distance between those SMD Capacitor and the die itself. It is way longer than put those cap at the other side. But since it is a factory design. I think they know what they are doing

  • m8x425
    m8x425 2 months ago +1

    I've had thermal paste end up on SMD's and I've had small amounts spill over into the socket. Unless the paste is Arctic Silver 5 which not many people use anymore, the CPU will be fine. Also, when I've delidded lga2066 Skylake-X processors, there has always been a bit of thermal paste on the SMD's that are under the IHS.

  • Alex
    Alex 2 months ago +1

    I love the ihs and smd design! Can’t wait to see all the benchmarks from you guys and othe techtubers over the next month

  • Asthma
    Asthma 3 months ago +67

    Will these CPUs benefit from offset kits again then I assume? And is the offset the same orientation as previous generations with the mounting direction?

    • Asthma
      Asthma 2 months ago +1

      @Gamers Nexus thanks for letting me know. Yeah I have a older supremacy evo I use the offset kit with on my 5000 series since cooler was originally only got Ryzen 1000. I'd love to use same hardware again for AM5

    • CreativeAlt
      CreativeAlt 2 months ago

      yeah probably

    • Defective Degenerate
      Defective Degenerate 3 months ago +2

      Maybe the thickness of the heat spreader will make that less of an issue.

    • Gamers Nexus
      Gamers Nexus  3 months ago +53

      Great question! The benefit previously was pretty noticeable with some coolers. It will likely help again. As for direction, won't be sure until we get a motherboard!

  • Joseph Carter
    Joseph Carter 3 months ago +73

    Can I just say THANK YOU AMD for putting a nice, big, obvious triangle on the CPU? No idea what the socket is going to have … but these things have gotten harder and harder to see, which means it's harder and harder to explain to a noob what to look for.

    • Joseph Carter
      Joseph Carter 2 months ago

      @Six Gorillion intel is still the default most places. And it wouldn't matter if Intel was doing this right, AMD wasn't really. I'm always going to call out people making it easier to do this right and harder to screw up. I realize making stuff idiotproof is a challenge to the universe to invent a bigger idiot, but still.

    • Dennzer1
      Dennzer1 2 months ago

      @Six Gorillion Why can't you just say that Intel has had X amount of decrease??/ Like say 20% of the DIT market share has been lost to AMD if you compare the market share of those 2 companies in 2017 vs 2021. I dont know if it IS 20%, but it's not like Alder Lake is selling super badly, just less than they hoped or guessed.

    • An4lAvenger
      An4lAvenger 2 months ago +1

      "No one buys Intel" 😂 Sure dude

    • Six Gorillion
      Six Gorillion 3 months ago +2

      @Sneed Sneed too bad no oone buys intel anymore

    • Sol Ise
      Sol Ise 3 months ago +12

      As someone who worked assembling computers for years, haven't seen big triangles for a while. Even with my glasses on I had trouble spotting Intel's triangle from the dot things.

  • Alex Mills
    Alex Mills 3 months ago +2

    Hands down the best coverage, I’m glad GN made the trip, and I hope other journalists follow in your steps to get behind the scenes of these in person events in a return to the normal pre Covid days.

    • Alex Mills
      Alex Mills 2 months ago

      @The Night dude Covid killed large events in every industry for a good year plus. That was my point.

  • Igors
    Igors 3 months ago +14

    will be interesting to see the pressure map for this thing. I suspect that ILM with just 2 contact points will not be great.

    • Defective Degenerate
      Defective Degenerate 3 months ago

      It will be the same as it is now, the only meaningful difference is the thickness of the heat spreader. And unlike Intel's heat spreader, this one will resist deflection much better, so no need for the silly contact frame.

  • rookiebeotch
    rookiebeotch 3 months ago +2

    Solid tech journalism as always.
    Thanks, Steve!

  • squealpig
    squealpig 3 months ago +40

    Ah, so they aren't reservoirs for keeping your extra thermal paste. Well, at least not intentionally.

  • Old Man Badly
    Old Man Badly 2 months ago

    I have a feeling that the cooling solution for these CPUs will be particularly sensitive to the compute complexes being on one side. So while even pressure of the cooler is very important, I am think that heat transfer on that side of the chip will be even more important.

  • Dan O
    Dan O 3 months ago +10

    The fact GN pays for all is travel is huge for us. Keeps big companies from being able to influence reviews

  • Jaani Date Seed
    Jaani Date Seed 3 months ago +4

    I think the extra Z height is for accommodation of 3D-V Cache.

  • Etienne Maheu
    Etienne Maheu 3 months ago +2

    I have to say, I love the look of those CPUs. There's a strong early Apple "the board must be beautiful" feel to them.

      MISTER SIR 2 months ago

      @Richard Function = form

    • Etienne Maheu
      Etienne Maheu 2 months ago +1

      @Richard Function * form ;-p

    • Richard
      Richard 3 months ago +1

      Eww. Function > form

  • Alexander Pavel
    Alexander Pavel 3 months ago

    I'm definitely just going to use a graphite thermal pad instead of paste if I end up getting an AM5 chip in the future. Thermal paste seems like it would get way too messy with this design.

  • Dan Swope
    Dan Swope 3 months ago

    I'm really curious if there would be any noticeable difference if you had a cold plate that was machined to basically lock into the shape of the IHS. Not to the point of contacting smds but enough to make some contact of pretty much every face of the IHS . I wonder if there is enough surface area to leverage this for any cooling or if it is a complete waste (or at the very least if there is a benefit to using this to "key" the cold plate so you have a consistent mount and/or always keeping the area of the cold plate with the best heat transfer over the dies consistently)

  • Langam
    Langam 3 months ago

    Now I wonder, would silicone/sealant remover work to make delidding easy? Basically just liquefy the adhesive?

  • Ricky Castro
    Ricky Castro 2 months ago +1

    This was so freakin educational. Love it! I feel like my brain was de-lided. LOL. Respect bro, you paid for your own room? Damn them uncooperative sponsors! Long live AMD!

  • RFX
    RFX 2 months ago +1

    Moving from 3900X to a 7950X, very excited. I do mostly video production work and Adobe is finally taking advantage of multi CPU rendering. Plus can’t wait to go all out on DDR5

  • Impulsive Minds
    Impulsive Minds 2 months ago +1

    For what its worth, I'd like to explain what the SMD components are that surround the dies on the CPU.
    From the b-roll, it appears that nearly all of the components are what's called feedthrough capacitors. These components are, essentially, a capacitor and inductor filter built into a single device. Capacitors and inductors are very commonly used on power lines for sensitive electronics. They create an LC filter that, when designed correctly of course, is very good at filtering out high frequency noise on the power and signal lines in circuits. I imagine that a lot of these are used to filter the power lines for the dies due to the extremely high frequency communication protocols that are used in CPUs. A noise free power line is a happy power line :)

  • B127
    B127 3 months ago +9

    The gold cpu cores look so cool. I love it.

  • XAgent
    XAgent 3 months ago

    Curious if the Arctic offset mount for 5000 will be the way to go for 7000 or perhaps there will be a new one?

  • Daniil
    Daniil 2 months ago

    Great video, as always. It's time for me to upgrade to a new computer and this channel is one of the most useful sources of information on youtube to catch up with the current tech.
    7000 hype!

  • Kelkschiz
    Kelkschiz 3 months ago +2

    Killing it with the quality of your content. Rock on!

  • ThatOtherAndrew
    ThatOtherAndrew 3 months ago +2

    I'm planning on moving up from a 2700X to the 7900X to help my Blender times and CAD workflows; I fully expect the 2700X to be blown out of the water, but I'm interested to see just by how much.

    • Erwin Amâncio Silva
      Erwin Amâncio Silva 2 months ago

      @Marino Šimić except that that at this point am4 is not future proof anymore, so his road to upgrade would eventually lead to plataform change, so he might as well do it already.

    • Void
      Void 2 months ago

      @Marino Šimić If the numbers are right, he should have atleast 60% more performance. It's not a bad upgrade.

    • Marino Šimić
      Marino Šimić 2 months ago +3

      That makes little sense. Better a 5950x which has 16 cores, you get performance for a fraction of the cost with a slot-in CPU upgrade, and no platform changes.

    • Void
      Void 3 months ago

      It will be noticible and good upgrade choice.

  • Asmongold's Mouth
    Asmongold's Mouth 3 months ago +6

    We know from the past that the infinity fabric will basically make dual chiplets seamless when communicating and depending on each other. However having everything on one chiplet will have its benefit and that's why I'm getting a 7700X unless they release a 7800X (which they already registered the name of). I am not a content creator and I do not need 12 or more cores. 8 cores are MORE than enough for gamers.

    • Carlos Ferraz
      Carlos Ferraz 2 months ago

      Since AMD will be doing the 3D V-cache, I believe that the 7800x will be in this version (7800x3d), but the 7700x for gaming is the best one by far. The same TDP of the Ryzen 5 but with 8/16 and better clock speed.

    • KPalm The Wise
      KPalm The Wise 3 months ago +4

      Dual CCD chips effectively double your memory bandwidth though, can be useful in certain situations. Historically dual CCD are just a little more difficult to OC

  • Syed Shouaib
    Syed Shouaib 3 months ago +2

    Learnt a lot of new things today thanks to you and AMD

  • Pr1musInterPares
    Pr1musInterPares 3 months ago +1

    Great content, as usual. Thank you Steve!

  • King Plunger
    King Plunger 3 months ago

    thank you for displaying details like not getting paid or you qualification in a subject. you are the go to for un biased reviews anyway, but this is a great addition !

  • kit Corpuz
    kit Corpuz 3 months ago

    Seeing the inside and upclose, it seems amd actually still have lots of room for a few more die/chips, if they wanted to add more. But they chose not too.

    • rookiebeotch
      rookiebeotch 3 months ago

      Pretty sure that is not how it works.

  • John Frusciante
    John Frusciante 3 months ago

    AMD and intel at this point should take a hint like they did with unlocked multipliers and just start selling enthusiast packages with the IHS off. If anything it should save them money assembling them.

  • Mark Doug
    Mark Doug 2 months ago +2

    As these run so hot I wonder if there will be after market lids to help with the heat

  • Dante S550 10R80'S
    Dante S550 10R80'S 3 months ago +13

    delidding was already stressful and a challenge. AMD just made the dark souls of delids.

    • Crossfire
      Crossfire 3 months ago +7

      @Six Gorillion I shall wait for the easy tutorial on your channel ;)

    • Six Gorillion
      Six Gorillion 3 months ago

      its gonna be so much easyer with this as so little contact surface for glue. You could probably do it by hand with a heat gun and a razor blade easy.

  • cannotwest
    cannotwest 2 months ago +1

    No space for more cores in there.
    Makes me wonder how AMD is going to support this socket for 5 years.

  • XenonG
    XenonG 3 months ago

    AMD contributing to keeping that Hyper 212 from socket 939 till AM4, SUSTAINABLE

  • Scott's Photography Banzai

    The design of this new generation of CPU is super cool!

  • rohtvak
    rohtvak 3 months ago

    Can you please do some testing on overall frame smoothness, by which I mean lack of random spikes and jitters? This chip might be the king of 4K gaming if it’s as smooth as it seems.

  • Jong Kanel
    Jong Kanel 2 months ago

    It seems hard to clean the thermal compound if overloaded with the new design spider leg 🤔🤔

  • ace.on.skates
    ace.on.skates 3 months ago

    That IHS design looks like it would be good for pressure uniformity

  • TheDeeGee
    TheDeeGee 3 months ago

    I wonder how that 4 mm thick IHS is gonna affect temps.

  • Solomon Lam
    Solomon Lam 3 months ago

    I know the coolers are technically cross-compatible for AM4, but will new designs that better suit AM5 be wanted or even needed?

  • AgentOrange96
    AgentOrange96 3 months ago

    The indents in the IHS make a nice pry point if it gets stuck to the heat sink AM4 style!
    Luckily, this shouldn't be necessary on the stock socket as it has a hold-down anyway.
    Also just don't actually do it. It does work. But I do not recommend it because yah know, you don't want to damage your $700 processor.

  • Ezekial
    Ezekial 3 months ago

    So they reduced the surface area of the IHS, not by much, but it's less copper, and they made it so liquid metal/conductive thermal paste will be exponentially more dangerous to apply

  • Siegbert schnösel
    Siegbert schnösel 3 months ago

    So this is how AMD worked around the need for a vent hole in the ihs:) well done!

  • S Loo
    S Loo 2 months ago +1

    Could this be, Intel's Kryptonite? Just Happy to see real competition again. Probably personally upgrade the mobo and cpu and ram in 2025 as I recently got hold of 5800x3d and boy am I happy :)

  • dare
    dare 3 months ago +48

    Amd: announces new processor
    Steve: You guys wanna see what's inside?

      MISTER SIR 2 months ago +1

      @Georg Warhead Lmao why am I now imagining Steve rocking up in a black van to a street corner at midnight, asking "pssst hey kids, wanna buy some cpus?"

    • tatooine_dream
      tatooine_dream 3 months ago +6

      ye ye u can see inside this time, next time you gotta pay tho

    • Georg Warhead
      Georg Warhead 3 months ago +15

      he is acting like a drug dealer....hey, have noticed you are interested in this new stuff, want to take a quick look inside ( standing in a dark corner with a trench coat...)

    • Narei Mooncatt
      Narei Mooncatt 3 months ago +15

      There's an "Intel inside" joke there somewhere.

  • bluedragon219123
    bluedragon219123 3 months ago +1

    Delidding a soldered CPU is always painful for me to watch, so much can go wrong for virtually no gain. Still good video and glad to see this was already "pre-lidded". :)

    • n n
      n n 2 months ago

      on intel cpus you can gain alot, here, perhaps, but tbh i woulnt do it, too easy to kill it

  • Mark Fosseth
    Mark Fosseth 2 months ago

    I’m not an Intel fan boy but once again the blue team will stay ahead by a noticeable margin, Raptor lake and her 6ghz will smash this AMD cpu on 19 benchmark out of 20 where they will tie

  • ParagonFury
    ParagonFury 2 months ago +1

    GN: "We have a new hands on with a De-Lidded CPU that hasn't even been released yet!"
    AMD: "THE HELL?! HOW?! We left you alone with it for like, 13 seconds!"

  • Eremon1
    Eremon1 3 months ago

    I'm curious...do the SMDs generate a significant amount of heat? Why not cover them all under the entire IHS?

  • Ceremco
    Ceremco 2 months ago

    7:41 Having the silicone adhesive right underneath the edges seems kinda excessive imo. A slight optimization that I thought of for years now, I would reather have the adhesive on the side of the heatspreader's outside feet/border contacting the pcb exactly like how the dies have their edges glued to the pcb.
    Still having the lowest amount of Z height without the heatspreader falling off. Does any one get what I am throwing down? 🤔

  • Dandin Dantalus
    Dandin Dantalus 3 months ago

    Ah YES. I was looking forward to DER8AUER CPUs. Finally. I suspected to they come with automatic self-delidding.

  • thomas allertz
    thomas allertz 3 months ago +1

    Wow i am impressed, that is an AMD CPU i've been waiting for. And With AM5 AMD goes the right way.

  • Kizzster
    Kizzster 3 months ago +1

    Big questions I've been thinking about. What if thermal paste gets into the 8 gaps? Why couldn't they make it a flat square?

    • Alejandro Calori
      Alejandro Calori 3 months ago

      Even better, do some sort of thick 'balcony' to cover the little chips.

    • Georg Warhead
      Georg Warhead 3 months ago +1

      he explained it realy well why they designed it that way and a comment from GN: "Wouldn't affect much, but you'd need to be careful of electrically conductive paste"

    • Dill HUANG
      Dill HUANG 3 months ago

      They walked into into a corner by deciding early that the new socket to be compatible with AM4 coolers. With the sheer size of three dies and LGA pads covering the underside, it is just not feasible to cover the entire substrate with IHS. Intel was right to make the socket and heatsink holes larger but dropped the ball with the mounting mechanism.

  • Marcos
    Marcos 3 months ago

    Maybe a thin cutting wire could be used on each feet to cut the glue without risk of knocking the smd's?

  • Coney 777
    Coney 777 3 months ago

    Thank you for teaching me computer science for free I truly appreciate the way in which you conduct business and the causes you support that I get to support vicariously. Stay awesome Tech Jesus.

  • Fast Turtle
    Fast Turtle 2 months ago

    I'm excited about AM5 due to my Noctua NH-C14 cooler for AM4. It's huge but shouldn't have any problems pushing a 7950 to over 6Ghz if the chip can handle the thermals.

  • Daniel McKenzie
    Daniel McKenzie 2 months ago

    Hey GN, thanks for the notification that you pay for all your own travel, lodging & meals when covering news.
    Tbh I'm pretty sure your audience wouldn't think anything less of you if you accepted travel & lodging to press events.
    I mean, you can keep doing what you're doing but I'm pretty sure your audience knows how little bias you give products/people regardless.

  • Codi Decodi
    Codi Decodi 3 months ago

    If anything it looks like it would be easier to delid, since it's not sealed all the way around and you know there are no caps in very close proximity.

  • Roger Pha
    Roger Pha 3 months ago

    I hope someone makes an aftermarket IHS. Cut outs are unnecessary. Only needs machining for space on bottom for resistors, not all the way through.

  • weepgamer
    weepgamer 3 months ago +3

    I just got myself an i5 12400 so im not looking to upgrade for a while, but its still really cool to look at this stuff! Thank you GN

    • Pixels
      Pixels 3 months ago

      I'm still on my 9700K and at first I wanted to upgrade, but I realised it wasn't needed after finding out how much work can be offloaded to the GPU like rendering and video editing.

    • Nathan
      Nathan 3 months ago

      Same. I got a 5900X and 6900XT. I'm good for the foreseeable future. Def won't consider upgrading until Zen 5 and even then I'll have to really think about it.

  • Paul Hughes
    Paul Hughes 2 months ago

    Some AMD engineer: "I'm not breaking chips testing overclocks, I'm producing mechanical samples"

  • A G
    A G 3 months ago

    Intresting how putting smd’s under the ihs, will effect their longevity

    • NiteRiderEVO
      NiteRiderEVO 2 months ago

      resistors, can last basically forever as long as the wattage limit is followed, the caps, being ceramics if i recall, will degrade, but can be revived by heating them up to soldering temps for a moment..

  • The glitch 100
    The glitch 100 2 months ago +1

    I feel like the cpu itself looks cooler because they moved the things to the top

  • Drue
    Drue 3 months ago +2

    Finally an upgrade to my i5-9600k. Just started uploading some action camera footage and my render times are brutal. Can't wait for this!

  • Dread Lord
    Dread Lord 3 months ago

    Should we be concerned about the exposed parts of the cpu collecting dust? Typically everything of import is below the plate, so it has never really been an issue in the past.
    (dust is always an issue - but you get what i mean - we haven't had parts of the cpu exposed before like this below the cooler).

    • Dread Lord
      Dread Lord 2 months ago +1

      @Leonardo Luque Cool, thanks. Not to date myself, but that's a little before my PC building time. Good to know that it shouldn't really be an issue (at least not that).

    • Leonardo Luque
      Leonardo Luque 3 months ago

      "We haven't had parts of the cpu exposed before like this below the cooler" Do you remember every CPU from the late 90s? Like Intel's Slot 1 Pentium IIs and IIIs, and AMD Athlons, etc.? They had SMDs and even the CPU die exposed, they didn't have an IHS, and they still work, even when covered in all kinds of "dust".

  • N7 Alpha
    N7 Alpha 3 months ago

    Hope we get a video comparison with the amd cpu mount vs intel cpu mount who did it better.

  • Rome The Revenant
    Rome The Revenant 3 months ago +1

    Im hoping that the new Ryzen chips will benefit from ddr5 speeds

    • Eric Hall
      Eric Hall 3 months ago

      Based on Ryzen history of extreme memory speed dependence I’m betting it will

  • blue n gold 34
    blue n gold 34 3 months ago +17

    I cant wait for dell to make the 7xxx series as hot as the FX series :D

    • Void
      Void 3 months ago

      FX wasn't that bad actually if you didn't have a 9000 series chip.

  • Xentios
    Xentios 2 months ago

    I guarantee you these CPU's gonna self delid themselves in 5-10 years of hard usage

  • AaronShenghao
    AaronShenghao 3 months ago +3

    With those announcement, I can finally upgrade to 5900x with a reasonable price from a 3600

    • Eric Hall
      Eric Hall 3 months ago +1

      @Rzułta Łuć Potfotna if they have a good graphics card it’s not unlikely to be throttled by a 3600

    • Rzułta Łuć Potfotna
      Rzułta Łuć Potfotna 3 months ago

      What are you doing that makes 3600 feel too slow?

    • tatooine_dream
      tatooine_dream 3 months ago +1

      someone else here in the comments just got one for $320ish on amazon

  • Aljosa Subotic
    Aljosa Subotic 2 months ago +1

    Hey Steve, quick question about the GN coasters. Can they be used for hot beverages as well, such as coffee? I only ask as I noticed it recommends not to 'heat dry' them after washing, so I wasn't sure if heat period was an issue.

  • Bobis32 Commentary
    Bobis32 Commentary 3 months ago

    im super excited to replace my 3600x with a 7600x once ITX boards release probably will give the old mobo to my little sister who has my old i5-4590 and 1060 6gb might upgrade my 6700xt but that will be down to pricing and availibility of the new gpus