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How Athenian Democracy Was Born - Ancient Greece DOCUMENTARY
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Kings and Generals' historical animated documentary series on the history of Ancient Civilizations continues with a video on the Athenian Democracy, as we see what the political situation was in the Ancient Greek city-state and how Solon and Peisistratus reformed and changed Athens.
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Comments • 962
Democracy is good
- Liberty Prime
controversial statements huh
@Mark Collins ur technically first.
Democracy dies in the dark, and tyranny dies under the light
~Someone philosophical, but not me :p
Also well made video :)
Socrates hated democracy.
I know this channel is focused on military historical events, battles, sieges,... But those videos like this one where you talk about ancient political systems, religion, technological advancements, or simply ancient ways of life have become my favourite ones. Thanks a lot for your work! :D
I agree completely. Not only is it more interesting than details of battles. It is much more important historically. Armchair generalling is just a sort of guilty pleasure for me.
@Chad Lee fr
More documentaries about Greece, please!
If we see Greece and Rome as the two parts of a common grecoroman culture they do a lot of videos about it ( Ancient Greece , classical Rome and Eastern Roman Empire-Byzantium )
@Trantor, capital of the Galactic Empire Γεια σου ρε Trantor , έχουμε κάνει εμείς ιστορικές συζητήσεις στο Cognosco team . Ορθότατο σχόλιο στον αλλοδαπό φίλο .
@Trantor, capital of the Galactic Empire εξαιρετικο σχολιο
επιπλεον χαιρομαι ιδιαιτερα που βρισκω ελληνες στα σχολια και μαλιστα ατομα που γνωριζουν το cognosco team
@Trantor, capital of the Galactic Empire Ναι έτσι είναι ακριβώς . Αν θυμάμαι έχουμε κάνει συζητήσεις πολλές φορές παλαιότερα ( Καλοκαίρι- Φθινόπωρο 2020 ) αλλα μπορεί να κάνω και λάθος . Τέλος πάντων καλή συνέχεια και μπράβο για τις ιστορικές σου γνώσεις . Δεν είμαστε τόσο λίγοι τελικά οι ... μυημένοι στα τις ιστορίας ( τα σοβαρά όχι τα του ελληνικού σχολείου που είναι σκόρπιες πληροφορίες )
It is really astonishing that in a such small time period so many sciences were invented and flourished as well as the amazing huge number of such influential figures, being talked and analysed even nowadays.
The freer a society, the more innovation happens. It happened in Greece, Rome, Britain, and now the US.
@Zach Omara I couldn’t agree more. But my comment was more to the short time period . there is nothing similar at least to my knowledge . It was like someone put together in the same place and time period Great minds
@Withme Verissimus Whostoned thanks, really interesting but with very minimal impact to our west civilization. what is your take away from ermis main points of philosophy?
@Zach Omara It most likely also has to do with the fact that the Greeks lived at a communal level, which made inside competition in Greece more of a determining factor, while also retaining Panhellenic ties and allying with deep trust of one another in times of foreign invasion, for example the Persians. Each polis also had incentive to create a unique factor of itself to boost the separate identity of its people, for example Sparta had extremely strong land forces, Athens a very good navy and trade, Smyrna many philosophers, Syracuse great scientists and inventors etc.
@Chris D What about the first Century of Abbasid Rule? They laid the groundwork for European renaisance and the modern world
Obligatory "I love democracy, I love the Republic"
I am the senate
3 drinks later:
THE REPUBLIC WILL BE REORGANIZED INTO THE FIRST GALACTIC EMPIRE!
@Aleksa Petrovic For a safe and secure society.
@Aleksa Petrovic and yet: my allegiance is with the republic, to democracy!
I remember doing my master degree thesis on criminology on how unpunished crime and the lack of isonomy between the classes of Athens resulted to the creation of the Athenian Democracy. A delight to have read all those sources :)
Can I read it?
It still baffles me that History Channel can't even come close to this sort of content...
Shows about Archaic Aliens and Pawning Antique shops sell well.
@chilliam00 to who though? 😅
Honestly, like who watches that shite?
Clearly not history nerds like us. The best history content is on Clip-Share for sure. I have learned do much from all the amazing channels we watch 👏
@Nico Lasty Dude, some Turks (Anatolian Azerbaijan Turkmenistan) look like Europeans, some (Uzbek Kazakh Kyrgyz) look like Chinese. What is the reason for this I'm solving a riddle The answer is not on the internet
@chilliam00 Dude, some Turks (Anatolian Azerbaijan Turkmenistan) look like Europeans, some (Uzbek Kazakh Kyrgyz) look like Chinese. What is the reason for this I'm solving a riddle The answer is not on the internet
@Nico Lasty Pensioners and crazy people
Rise of Athenian Democracy? Was this voted video on or dictated?
Did someone say ostracism?
@Luis Aldamiz, I see what you did there.
"Anthony! Veto the motion! Stand up! Veto the motion!!!" - Cicero, probably.
Non of your business. You obey.
It sprang fully formed, from the mind of Zeus.
I see kings and generals, i see ancient greek history, i upvote.
I think we have a redditor here
Greek history is based
@Glitchtastic Dude, some Turks (Anatolian Azerbaijan Turkmenistan) look like Europeans, some (Uzbek Kazakh Kyrgyz) look like Chinese. What is the reason for this I'm solving a riddle The answer is not on the internet
BEAUTIFUL ONE. Great graphics, excellent narration, easy-to-follow chronological storyline... Thanks for that, as a Greek myself, I'm proud to see state of art documentaries like yours being produced on our history. My blessings to your team!
The character, graphic and set designs in this one are high quality, great work, it is very inspiring
You guys are probably the best documentary channel to date. This is why I watch you guys.
In all honesty probably a lot better than Nat Geo and Discovery and even History Channel.
You literally have very little political bias and tell it like it is without the distracting propagandas of modern politics.
In an alternate universe…
“In order to ensure our security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganised into the First Athenian Empire for a safe and secure society.”
Thats exactly kind of what happened actually
After the Persian wars this is what happened in a nutshell
In comes Alexander the Great
Thank you for highlighting Greece. In the modern era, many have looked down their noses and said nasty things about them because they are not economically the powerhouse by any means in Europe. It goes without saying that the values of Germany are different from the values of Greece, but that doesn’t mean either one of them are wrong. I was in Greece about five years ago I got very desperately ill on one of the Greek islands the hotel manager told me to go to the public health clinic down the road, and that it would be free no charge at all. this was at a time when Greece was in a state of economic disaster. I told him I really didn’t want to use the public system I didn’t feel like I should burden them with my needs. he insisted I go. I found them to be the most generous of people despite ther financial hardships. Athens in travel guides is often described as a dirty nasty place that you don’t wanna spend any time in; try to get to the boat out to the islands right away. I didn’t find it to be that way at all it’s a very lively vibrant city and yes it has a lot of rundown areas but I live in Lisbon and so does it. That doesn’t make it a terrible city it’s full of history. When you are able to look up at night and see the Parthenon lit up from anywhere in the city and know that this was the place where A representative republic was first established), you can’t help but really be admiring of them including their nice work life balance! Opa!
Maybe in some future video we might see how Sparta became what it became. Just like were seeing how Athens became what it became. Great job. My compliments to all those who made this video a reality.
Note that tyrant just meant someone who took power for themselves with no comment on their policies or popularity, and dictator was someone appointed to absolute power for six months to solve a crisis. The negative meanings come from the fact that such people usually turn out unpopular
And the murder of Hipparchus (or Hippias, can't remember), which was actually for entirely personal reasons
And how medieval thinkers like Aquinas tried desperately to separate 'good' kings from 'bad' tyrants
"The sun, too, shines into cesspools and is not polluted"
"Get the fuck out of my sun"
- Also Diogenes
Ironically the sun shining into a pool is needed to turn it into a cesspool...and keep it so.😅
Solon was at a gathering with other nobles and he was quiet. He was then asked by Periander, if he is quiet because he doesn't have something to say or because he is stupid.
Solon answered: No stupid man can stay quiet at a gathering.
Σόλων ερωτηθείς υπό Περιάνδρου παρά πότον επεί σιωπών ετύγχανε, πότερα δια λόγων σπάνιν ή δια μωρίαν σιωπά. «Αλλ’ ουδείς αν», είπε, «μωρός εν συμποσίω σιωπάν δύναιτο.»
Athens, Macedonia, Sparta, Cyprus, Thrace, Epirus, Crete, Aeagean Islands, Ionian Islands, Asia Minor, Magna Grecia, Thessaly, Peloponnese, Achaia, Arcadia, Argolis, Corinth, Laconis, Aetolia, Akarnania, Boeotia, Euboia, Pontus, Crimea, Messenia 🇬🇷
Anatolia is Turkic :/
@Judge Magister We have to send them to Asia where they came from. We can't send since 1071, we can't send it again Never mind
@Video cvdv Anatolia belongs to nowdays Turkey, but was created back thousands of years as a city-state by the Greeks, the Greek name survives till this day.
@SchachShaolin78 They turned the most important church into a mosque They changed the names of the cities They destroyed everything that was ancient Seljuks and Göktürk Tools Remaining Are Turks in Central Asia as disrespectful as Turks in Anatolia?
@Video cvdv indeed they did but that doesn't change that the name doesht survive from ancient Greece.
Amazing! Keep covering ancient Greece!
this is great, thank you... suggestions:
- as with your video presentations of battles and campaigns and wars, could you please consider a practice of including on-screen labels of the names of key figures in these presentations...
brief displays on-screen labels of names of historical figures, appearing on the screen as they are introduced as key figures in the story (eg, briefly displaying names like “Cylon,” “Solon,” “Peisistratus”when key figures like these are introduced in the story.) This would be an aid to viewers’ memories and to further study.
- as with your video presentations of battles and campaigns and wars, would you please consider including on-screen maps where appropriate (for example, in this video Megara’s rivalry with Athens was discussed, a map showing where Megara, Athens, and Attica are located would aid understanding and memory.)
Thanks again for this interesting account.
In 2016 some hand-bound skeletons were found at the Faliro coast south of Athens. They seemed to be of high social stature and two clay libation vases were found next to them, dating to approx. 630 BC, making the archaeologists believe that they were connected to the massacre by Megaklis at the time, aka the "Kylonion Agos" (Kylon's miasma/sin ).
Every time I hear the name Solon, I can only think of the old psycopath from Fire Emblem: Three Houses who experimented on and destroyed a village for funsies as opposed to a relatively just reformer. It's actually kinda funny that all the major Agarthans in that game are named after members of the Seven Sages of Greece.
Peisistratos is generally credited with ordering the first state-sponsored planting of a sea of olive trees in Attica. The economic benefits accrued over centuries. Some of the oldest olives in Attica today are dated to approximately this period.This accomplishment was omitted.
Great video! Is there a followup video on the next period to the the establishment of democracy by lottery? Interested in learning more about its origins. Thanks 🙏
Peisistraturs was also responsible for the writing down of the Illiad and the Odyssey. Had they remained transmitted in an oral fashion, they would have been lost two millenia ago.
I'd like to see a depiction of the Apostle Paul's life in lieu of his time he spent in Asia Minor. An illustration of this magnitude would be ideal. Thanks for the continued excellence in providing historical clarity to things that our history books couldn't accomplish.
Hello. Would it be possible for you to make a playlist just for Ancient Greek history? There doesn't seem to be one on your channel. I would be so grateful.
Do one about the various republics of ancient india as well
It would be really interesting!!
YES!! Thanks kings, you know I love my ancient Greeks
In Greece we recently discovered the area where the Cylons’ followers were murdered. In ancient Greece, this is called the “Κυλώνειον Άγος”. For those who love “Battlestar Gallactica”, Cylons are named after Cylon and also many names in the series have Greek Gods’ names. 😎
Athenian Tyrant: I shall rule Athens alone, by my will.
Kleisthenes: How about no?
Peisistratos how about yes???
@Hades Zero peisistratos ruled many decades before Kleisthenes' democratic reforms.
@Christos Christermi its a joke because peisistratos initially came to power democratically but i guess it wasn't very successful. My bad.
@Hades Zero Dude, some Turks (Anatolian Azerbaijan Turkmenistan) look like Europeans, some (Uzbek Kazakh Kyrgyz) look like Chinese. What is the reason for this I'm solving a riddle The answer is not on the internet
Looking forward to the next episode. Keep up the great work!
Great video as usual. Keep up the good work!
ARTHUR: I am your king!
OLD WOMAN: Well, I didn't vote for you.
ikr, and the Monty Python "We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune!" of peasants did actually exist for centuries in Britain, from serfs who fled into the forests to live off the land (or dress as Robin Hood while doing "riotous banditry" against the rich), to the Diggers/Shakers of the English Civil War who publicly agitated for "redistribution and communal ownership of land".
It is quite ironic that dictators and tyrants where the ones Who laid the groundwork of democracy but then again the meaning and morals back then were quite different from our abbramic ones
So true. Mexico just needs a dictator.
@TCC didnt you mexicans not already had coupel of those
@César U i would not paint Trump like a dictator Amerika has not yet reached that stage but there on the way
@César U trump was by no means a dictator
@César U putin is chosen in the same way biden or should i say harris was chosen you really have a warped view of what a dictator is when the man you claim is one didnt even interver in the states of his nation unless they asked him when they where burning even he wanted to and to only thing he then did was to give law officers in those states a temporary Federale badge so that they can atleast do there Jobs when the states in question did nothing
Again i must stress your severe lack of undersanding what a dictator is and before you go screaming against me you speak against someone Who LIVES and is born in a continent that sufferd under that both western and easter europe
Kings and Generals
bring us some quality democracy. Ironic!
Amazing narration of history and art!
My ancestors. Ελλαδάρα λέμεεεε
amazing video, pls do one about Socrates and his views of democracy , and how democracy could work in a view like that :)
For a ''Tyrant'' Peisistratus seemed to have done an excellent job at ruling Athens.
Tyrant doesn't necessarily carry negative connotations. Marcus Aurelius was an absolute ruler but he was also enlightened, fair and compassionate. The problem of course is that if a "Tyrant" is a terrible person there is not much that can be done as they wield the full power of the state.
Unfortunately his descendants were responsible for the connotation "tyrant" has today.
Tyrant to rich people.
@Lewis Taylor There is no such thing as a good unelected ruler. Also, it's not "democracy" when women, slaves and the poor can't vote. Athenian "democracy" is just oligarchy with extra steps.
@Transsylvanian I don't think you're here for the history...
Great video!!! Super pumped for the next one!!
I love it. Love from greece
I clicked on this for Cleisthenes.
This man was probably the most pivotal man in ancient Greek history.
Inadvertently giving birth to Democracy, starting the rivalry between Athens and Sparta and then giving Persia Cassius Belli to invade, all to escape a certain city state's wrath.
What were the implements that Solan and his contemporaries used to write their poems and other writings? I'm interested in the biro you Solan writing from left to right (instead of boustrophedon) and the material on which he is recording his thoughts
Damn, i was searching for ancient Greek politics, and this video popped up from one of my favorite channels, it feels weird that I didn't get a notification for this but at the same time it was just loaded yesterday when I suppose to write this article! I love Kings and Generals I really do! lol
You know what I come to realize time and again while watching videos about ancient human societal structure? We haven't changed one bit.
Very interesting video on a subject that isn't covered enough. Very much looking forward to the next video!
I am so excited to learn more from this series
Would love some videos on Carthage outside of the Punic wars
@Robert O Leary me too...kkkkk
@Vinícius oh right. Thanks!!!
the have make a video about the battle of himera 480bc between the greeks of sicilly and carthage the wars between them is an interesting topic not well known
Can you please do a video about nabateans 🥺? They were interesting and fought three battles against the Greeks.
Great video, brilliant topic, another banger from the boys at Kings and Generals
I love this. More people, especially young people, need to discover more about democracy and what it means. and how hard all our ancestors yearned for it, and how hard millions of people over time fought for it and even died for it.
I like how publishing this video has created a good resource for people to discover some of this truly amazing concept.
@anythingthough anythingthough haha love it!
Danny Al agreed.
We need actual transparency
I’ve really wanted to study the Greek city states this will be fun.
And so on the Greek city states shall re-organized into the first Macedonian Empire! For a save and secure society!
Nice to see landlords have always been the worst kind of parasites, even in the ancient world and beyond
Seems to be a theme throughout history, if only there was a way we could fix that. We could call it socialism
@Austin Burns HAHAHAHAHAHA
@Austin Burns yes, make the state the landlord. I don't see anything going wrong with that.
I think that land should never be owned by anyone but rather rented by the state to whoever is more capable of maximizing the produce. Land should be owned by goverment but the latter should not be in direct control of the harvest. Stalin made the goverment responsible for he harvest and turned all farmers into goverment employees with a fixed wage and the result was mass starvation and famine.
The problem with my solution is that if the goverment is corrupt then the will rent it based on nepotism and competence.
Can you PLEASE make a series about Hannibal, admiral Yi, and Alexander the Great
In future episodes, I'm sure K&G will cover the huge role that landless but highly skilled rowers played in the establishment of Greek "democracy." Athens was a seafaring city-state that grew prosperous based on her trading ties.
What a great channel.Bravo !
What good fortune we have, that Kings and Generals is working in these times.
Please post more videos about
-Aristotle philosophy and wisdom
-Tengri mount and religion
I wish if there is an HBO series about that time and all the plots of old politicians of athens , it will be a great hit like game of thrones .
"SQUABLE AMONG THEMSELVES" every Rome 1 player chills inmediatley
A video suggestion: Epirus before Pyrrhus
Just like the one you did with Macedon before Phillip and Alexander, that would be awesome to see👍
A most appropriate Mark Twain quote " History dose not necessarily repeat it's
self but it often rhymes." See any similarity's with our times? Solon of Athens
we need your services once again.
It's nice that there is a bit of culture left in this dark world
The above court in Greece stills named as areos pagos (Άρειος πάγος)
Classical Greece and Athens: The most important and influential civilization in the whole human history. Period.
Great video, looking forward to your next videos❣❣
amazing video this helps because i'm leaning about ancient Greece in my 9th period
Next video should address possible reasons WHY democracy emerged in ancient Greece when it did. :-)
IMO the convoluted coastline & rocky terrain of Greece, plus relatively poor soil, may have helped promote independent city states & prevented one ruling dynasty uniting Greece as was seen in Egypt & Mesopotamia.
Perhaps Greece's unique geography and location also encouraged profitable sea trade with neighboring civilizations without danger of being conquered.
love you videos kings and generals.
can you make a video about the 30 years war
I think it is normal for one to hear "Cato-friendly" instead of "Keto-friendly" @1:25 after watching so many Roman history videos.
How is it Cato-friendly, though? Does it call for Carthage to be destroyed?
Cereals that come directly from the large plantations owned by aristocrats in Campania
@Kevin Zhao True Roman cereal for true Romans.
Cathago delinda est!
A very smart Athenian citizen after witnessing Persistratos proclaimed himself the Tyrant of Athens with help from Athena and the people cheered for him: Still think these guys are not fools?
„Let there be light! said Liberty, And like sunrise from the sea, Athens arose!“
- Percy Shelley
Another great upload kudos bros keep up the goodwork ty
I love how smooth is the transition to the sponsor.
Modern politicians need to learn from Solon. Heck, we might need to resurrect him.
He would be labeled a socialist tbh
@escalopes Oh I think so.
@TheBKnight3 The video pretty much explicitly states that he opposed socialist policies when the population demanded them from him.
His policies are pretty much based on "opening up" the upper classes and to allow regular people to intermingle with them, rather than forcefully redistributing wealth. Pretty similar to modern day libertarians that want to make it easier for common folk to open and run their own businesses.
I'm still waiting for rest of the Napoleon series :( Starting to think they've given up on it now
10:12 "such enforced equality in the distribution of wealth was neither just nor necessary"
Words that still ring true today.
Tell that to the Romans or Imperial Russia, who even on their empire's deathbed clung to "muh property rights!" rather than introduce the necessary radical economic changes for the common good.
Words that are just as poisonous, self-serving and false today as they were back then. Redistribution is the ONLY path to justice.
This video has been invaluable to my history project!
Thank you Kings and Generals Team!
Excellent presentation 👏👏👏👏
Napoleon's quote to magic spoon is one of the best Ad transition I have ever seen.
You should try being a creative director
Excellent video, thanks.
„They couldn’t be enslaved anymore, but they were still chained to their creditors due to their debt.“
A “tyrant” who let’s the rich pay for the middle class is a great guy in my book!
All kings are tyrants.
@Wealthy and Nerdy Not my king!
By the way hé doesn’t have any power either 🤣
@ComradeKenobi the Netherlands 🇳🇱
@Wealthy and Nerdy all democracies are tyrants and must be abolished to allow a king or emperor to take over!
@Uncle Sam however good a king is, it all falls down when you get to his child
17:27 " [...] of Athena, patron god of Athens". I understand that "patron" is regarded as "gender-neutral" (a canon created by men i would bet), but matron or at least patroness would be an exciting "mistake"! And of course goddess! Thank you for all the years of education K&G!
Had no idea Solon was such a great leader, nor that he existed! Great work
There was some forms of democracy bring exercised in mahajanapadas of North India during 6th century BC. Siddhartha aka Gautama Buddha was born into such a kingdom.
Can we get a video on Venice? IMO it was way more interesting than iron age Rome
Video starts @2:00
Here for the great content by K&G as usual, and the star wars memes in the comment section
Seikilos playing in the background was really beautiful
If the Athenians had Archons, does that mean that an Archon turning into a Tyrant is a Dark Archon?
Please @kings and Generals, make a video about Bengal Sultanate.
I feel the last part will be the most crucial and controversial. When, if you can, try to expose the events that will bring Athenian Democracy to an end. Many willingly skip this, but it's the most relevant to our time and our destiny.
Peisistratos sounds like what Caesar might've been, you know, minus the mass stabbing.
Well, he was eventually stabbed. But only by 2 people, not like 30+.
@VagDen No, it was Peisistratos's *son* who was stabbed, after inheriting his father's position.
*Kings and Generals posts a new video*
Are you guys gonna do any videos on Trajans victories over parthia ?
Rome went through a period of increasing inequality and disenfranchisement, but the senatorial class was unwilling to deal with it, leading to the 3 servile wars, political unrest, and the eventual rise of the emperors.