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I'm gonna give this rig . . . . . uh, 4 out of 5 beards.
I know it’s much more practical these days to do what y’all are doing, but I’d be lying if I said that I don’t miss seeing big ass tube amps on stage. Honestly, not even just tube amps. Just amps. Anyway, fun video! Peace.
I mean back in the day bands normally only had a few amps… what you saw on stage was stacks and stacks of cabinets… like Marshall stack cabinets most famously
@Cerrin Hendricks I hate it too. But the touring today there's no money out there for bands to hire a crew to move all the gear. I hate in-ears I love the volume but I'm old school...
@Cerrin Hendricks people already do that. But if you’re the one loading those dummy cabs, doesn’t really make sense lol
I bet some bands are gonna go back to putting fake cabs all over the place just to get that feel back.
Just because its soo..."match-y" with the same helix amps, ill give this a 3.5 out of 5 beards
@FreePadz well as far as me, i was just being funny with it, but yeah i do think that Fluff does have his pernicious monents
@luminositymusic BrianPRickard yeah, i like stage volume and monitors too. Real amps man! Lol
Codes ENT boo Helix! In ears? Gone is the hearing.
It a very fluff thing to do. Very pernickety dude, I suspect
Fluff, you should see my setup. I plug a guitar into an amp, and if my wife or neighbors get pissed, I plug in some headphones.
Very cool. You guys seem heavy on Line 6. I love their sound, but would never gig live with it, because every Line 6 product I've owned fails, requires a reboot, won't take a firmware update, etc. I have L6 Bass POD I used about 10 times, didn't use it for 2 years, then noticed it was bricked and out of warranty.
Fluff, Bro, this new band of yours is amazing!!! There’s always a special place in our hearts for any band we be played with but this outdoes Rest,Repose all day. Nice work to you and the guys!!
Great overview Fluff! You ever consider doing live sound yourself, given your experience with both mixing/engineering and playing live?
i like the drum set up you guys got there. simple. not too much going on. only the essentials. drummer here. can confirm. you don't need to be technical about drums. we only care about our cymbals, pedals (with triggers) and snare.
This is a beautiful rig, how streamlined but still fully useable it is is awesome!
You have one of the most cohesive live setups for a band; at the size of dragged under. Thats awesome.
Awesome! I have wondered before why you don't send the drums into your IEM's?
Hi Fluff,Thanks for explaining your rig. It was quite insightful!Could you explain the signal chain for the noise supressor and why do you need an extra pedal instead of using the helix' noise supressor?I see that this video is "old" and this brings me to the second question.Do you still uses the extra noise supressor?I tried to find this information in your videos but I didn't have any success, that's why I decided to ask!Thanks a lot and keep up your amazing work! Love your videos!
Love the video 🤘 I do got a question tho? So in your split your running your vocals & guitar for your ears, how come no drums? Like a snare or overhead? Do you get enough bleed from your vocal mics? I use snare and maybe a lil touch of an o.h in my ears..thanks for sharing.
It was a great video...l really appreciate you putting this together and sharing it with us. Cool!
I LOVE this setup. It's easy and simple physically but with complex and amazing gear. I have one question tho: if yall were able to hire a team like for stage setup in the future, would yall go back to heavier gear like tube amps and big cabs etc?P.S. FAQ Monday answer would be awesome 😊
I know most of the live sound is direct from the helix but is that orange pedal baby powerful enough to push that 810 and create any volume? I love the idea for my bass rig but I feel like 100 watts wouldn't push a bass cab like a 500 watt amp does.
There is a possibility that it's quite loud when absolutely cranked with a boost in front of it through those speakers, but I also felt that was strange when you get tons of cheap loud clean bass amps which would probably be louder.
Very cool! Love these live rig shows.
Love these live gear vids!
Fluff should check out the The Fryette LXII Single Space Tube Power Amp. The world’s first 1-space all-tube stereo 50W/channel power amplifier, that can be bridged for 100W mono. Then again, without micing the cabs there probably wouldn’t be much advantage to having tube power. But the front row fans would love it.
that's gotta be the best outro to a video i've seen in a long time.Cool setup guys
I've been seeing the instagram feed from this string of shows and am so glad you put this up. I'm an LD and I was just thinking to myself yesterday how much i wanted a rig rundown of the headliner's touring package. This gave me my info from the background! Thanks!
JDC1 and Dartz 360 on pipes pretty simple.
Put a small, battery powered LED strip with some 3M tape in the guitar case that you can flip on and off so you don't have to keep a flashlight on hand for the luminlays. It'll just keep them charged while you swap guitars in and out. Idk if this will actually work or be practical, but I just felt like throwing the idea out there.Also, this is like the 8th time I've watched this haha
I'm glad this video happened because it was good to know what rigs they use. Very cool stuff! Helix rules.
Awesome setup. Did you switch out the stock speakers in the Revv cabinets or can you buy them with the Neo creambacks?
Great setup!..ipray that we can have that kind of equipment to our church..
Dude, I love frank! He’s one on my favorite live sound engineers in Dallas.
Love rig rundowns.Very nice, man.
more like this, please
Great video. How many channels do you send to FOH? Also, do you use crowd mics?
So what do you do for drums in your ears? I know in the past you had just a mic under the throne right? I was thinking of trying that with a small boundry mic for ours.
Do you ever have any issues with the wireless operating in the 2.4Ghz range?? I've been looking to replace my current wireless, and was looking at a Shure GLDX14R system - until I discovered that it operates at 2.4Ghz - which is also used for WiFi (routers, PC's, cell phones, access points, printers, etc.). Have you had any issues??
Impressive! Please don't forget to share some performance shots
So, I’m assuming you all have different IEM mixes. How are y’all achieving that and are they stereo or mono? Also, since you don’t seem to be feeding the drum mics into the IEM rack, how do y’all get those in your IEM’s? I’m trying to figure all this stuff out for my band currently and I feel like that Charlie Day meme…
I can’t be a 100% but I would hazard a guess that………All the lines feed into the splitter, which (as fluff described) splits the signal two ways, one to the front of house, where they would have full control of what is going on their end. The other split would feed into their IEM mixer (X32), which, I believe they can control from an iPad and set up their own IEM mixes for each band member. This is how I think they do it. Rhett Shull has a great video on how they do something similar for their band.As far as your question about the drums, I don’t know that one either, I was wondering the same thing.
Wasn't this the gig that was supposed to be accross the street at gas monkeys outdoor gig but the weather was bad? I love the indoor gas monkey venue that's shown here. I saw Circa Survive with MeWithoutYou there and Anthony green walked into the front doors before the gig and I was the only one to notice so I walked next to him and exchanged a few words. I might have thrown my arm over his shoulder like we were best buddys......yeah....lol but he was crazy nice about it. That was such a great show since I love both circa survive an Mewithoutyou, the people I was with didn't think they liked mewithoutyou bit after their set they realized what an amazing g band they were. Such great energy that night. I left soaked in sweat, as I've said before, only some of it was mine. I caught a cold walking from the venue to my car cause the temp had dropped and I was dressed in shorts an a t shirt but I bought a circa survive hoodie but it was so soaked in sweat it didn't help lol. I lost my voice for a week.
All I see is 1000’s and 1000’s of dollars of equipment for more less a processed tone. It’s no wonder why there is no differences in sounds anymore. Please I’m not hating at all, I absolutely love fluffs channel but this is insane. Any live videos I can watch to hear this rig?
I hear u man ..
Reliability and being able to replicate the same sounds night after night would be more important to the audience, who do pay the bills at the end of the day. Plus saying there is no difference in tone between bands has more to do with modern EQ and tonal trends than it does amp modellers. I personally think both are equally great or terrible depending on the person operating them.
@Dave G they do ? Not all lile slash n gnr carlos santana they all carry gear
Do you all realize this is what touring bands do? Nobody hauls that crap around...Journey, Styx, Offspring etc. They all use modeling. It's 2020. Get with it or keep hauling gear you don't need
It’s just not the same without a tube amp
What? Video is over? -Nah, quality content! You guys have really a decent setup to out with!
I am actually interested in your sound reinforcement and how it's set up if you could show that sometime. I didn't notice a monitor for the drummer so I assume he's hearing through a PEM as well?
Yes. There's a video where he explains it all
The racks are well put together, pedal boards are tidy. 5 out of 5 beards
People playing modelers live always complain that they don't cut and get buried by real amps.Having 3 Helixes fixes that problem because they're all equal.None of them cut.
Did my ears deceive me? Mr. Sparkle has merrow fishmans? I use them too, in my 2007 LTD ESP Viper 1000. Id be interested in what drew you to them. I funny recall you mentioning that tidbit before. I like how under high gain the individual string clarity, roundness of the bottom end, the snarl it gives in the mids, and how the treble strings arent so chimy/bright but still poke through. The response and dynamics i feel when i dig in is just like a passive(as designed). And not muddy/sizzly. More spanky/really shows the character of the strings
Very clean and simple setup. Although I still don’t get what in-ears are for.
Probably for monitoring, more likely for OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR....THE CLICKTRACK.
Hey fluff just wondering how you transport the Helix floor controller. Does it have its separate case?
Is there a reason Fluff doesn’t have the big volume knob on his helix all the way up? (Looks like it’s at about 3 o clock). Just curious. Some people online say to dime it.
Hope it was a great show! Fast-N-Loud is my goto fav show and dig all the guys at GMG. How was the venue?
Any live footage to hear it all come together?
Paincakes clip-share.net/video/uogdDztktf8/video.html&feature=share. SKIP TO 5:17
Looks super clean!!
I understand using the Helix for space and going direct/in ear monitors but doesn't it defeat the purpose when you need to still bring all those cabs??? Wouldn't using a real tube head be better?
Tavares Project you always get the same sound. And on bigger stage you get less feed from the PA. To compensate that loss you bring some cabs.
i'm not too keen on the gear. i don't like digital forward gear cuz it's too precise. amp and tone modeling with effects loops and all the bells and whistles, but the best sound a band will ever have is when shit is out of sync, out of tune, and about to catch fire. i'm not some boomer that thinks tubes are the greatest thing since the invention of a Les Paul. Foo Fighters are the proof that all that over priced analog gear can still sound like shit if you trying too hard. i just like the innovation that comes from limited resources. Kurt Ballou is the proof this rig gets 1.5 out of 5 beards.
@МУЗЫКАЛЬНАЯ СТУДИЯ i could make a list of touring musicians of ALL levels of success that don't use in-ear monitors. those musicians play in several different genres as well. at this point, i feel like either you buy in, and go digital forward with the gear, or keep it old skool and adapt along the way.i could also give a hearty list of touring musicians in all levels of success that do both in-ears AND real amps in wide arrays of genres.it's really a pretty lame excuse.
tazmon122 Well, all their monitoring depends on in ear monitor system. So using digital set up is just easer for touring.
that snare looks dooope, cool finish
I hope you guys made lots of money on this tour to pay for all this swell gear. Nothing is better than playing gear paid for by making music, but it’s harder and harder to do these days.
Hey Fluff, could you tell me what case do you use for the Helix Control+Mission Pedal ? I have the same setup but haven't found the right case for it yet... Keep it up you rock :)
Riffs, Beards & Gear awesome thanks for the reply :)
Circle Three Designs
In Russia, even local stars can not always afford such equipment and a platform for a performance😉
Can you please do a video on how to set up a patch on a HD500X or even your Helix from scratch without using a computer? I’m late to the party on this and I’m trying to run a HD500X into a Mesa Dual Rectifier using the 4 cable method and I’m having a hard time getting usable tones. I don’t know what I’m doing wrong but I have about 2 weeks before I need to return it.
Great video! I was hoping for Richard Rawlings to come out and say "where's my beer?"
Ah, back when you could play live ...
In case you record the show, how do you capture the drums if there is no mic input of it into the x32rack?...
I need that Dragged Under Helix patch. Hook us up Fluff?
He just did man 👍
How are you getting the tracks to foh? Are you using the x32 as your interface?
this man has so many amazing amps and doesnt even play through any of them
@Dylan Burton I just play through my nearfields or a small PA at home, plan on playing through the venue stage monitors on tour. I don't believe in backline or in ears.
Doesn’t he use them in the studio at times? Because it tends to be that some bands play through real amps in the studio and then go through a simpler set up on tour to make travelling around easier
I've been trying to find stuff on a pedals baby used for bass with Helix and haven't found anything. I'm guessing if the bassist in your band is using it then it's sounds good and is loud enough?
@Radityo Pramono Adi It is definitely worth a try, it didnt work for my setup, but maybe yours.
a bit scary, I'll prob using SD Powerstage 700 or something like that..
Cody Smith I brought a pedal baby home and it didn’t last the night. Loud yes but dead sounding for guitar. Used a Pod500. My 25 watt Traynor quarterhourse has better sound. So I brought back the pedal baby. Not for me.
I was thinking the same thing
You mentioned the helix gates are more noise clamps then gates can u elaborate on that …I mean should I get a noise gate and loop it and add as block in my set up for better gated tones more sustain then helix gates
didn't you say the helix noise gate was the best you've used at one point?
Of course I would miss your band when you guys drop by my hometown...🤦♂️
Doesn't your Drummer need some of his stuff in his InEars? Like Kickdrum or Something?
We have a trash mic that we can use. But most of the mics that we use up front capture some of that. And all he has is click and some guitar in his mix, he can hear his kit, cause it's louder than shit and he hits hard.
@FanaticalDrummer I assumed they do mix the stuff for their in ears, given the fact that they have the X32-Rackmixer in there.
TBH. I’d rather have a kick thumper. I can do with just the band mix without drums in ears. Sometimes the kick and snare just dont sound good pre-mix fx from the source unless you run it post fx. Its too boomy or snappy. Also it saves your ears considering drums clutter your in ear mix trying to over power the ambient sound of the kit which still comes through the in ears. You can really lay into your kit and not get thrown off by it coming through. Its just better to hear the band cleanly without drums in the mix too much personally. Unless they REALLY sound good coming out of the board. Would never do premix.
How do you route the drums to your in ears?
Are you guys running your own lights this tour?
No drum mic’ing for the ears? Do you just send them straight to FOH?
However, its always beneficial to have drums in your ears, even if the volumes are down to a bare minimum, wouldn't hurt. If I were a drummer, I would have a decent drum mix, and work the rest of the instruments around that.For you musicians doing your own mixes, start with your instrument first to get an adequate level, and then add the others and work your mix around it.
Glenn Montis Honestly for a stage that small for most of their gigs, and since theres no loud amps behind the players, you could hear the acoustics over the in ears im sure. Its no different than a large practice space band set up. No stage noise, just drums. Which leaves the in ears at a safe volume.
Same question here. Fluff, as a guitar player, how are you getting drums into your IEM?
Two Sides of Me I’d rather just have a mix coming out of the mixer with the band. No drums. Pre-mix and fx drum micing never sounds good. Just muddies the in ear mix and the ambient sound of your kit which is definitely audible playing over the band mix. A throne thumper is good for kicks. Although I would never use stage wedgies or rely on ambient noise for drums. You have to hear the band in your ears even without drum micing
why not consider using logic as a midi controller to avoid the need of any pedal switching on Helix systems?
live show vlogs always include an excessive amount of wheezing. not a knock i do the same thing. are we all out of shape? 😂😂
Do you mic the cabs at all with this setup?
Are you using IRs on the helix since you are not micing the cab? If so are they going to the cab as well?
The orange pedal baby is good for bass :o . I didn't that 100 watt A/B was good enough to run an 8X10 bass cab
So where do the drum mics plug in? Are those not ran through the split?
Jooosshhh!!!! Those Willie pickups are sick
Instead of a Helix Rack, would a Helix standard work for your needs?
@Andrew Stonerock yeah makes sense
It probably would, but the rack makes his cable management easier.
Video was good... in fact... I think the end might have been my favorite part... good to see a smile in the morning :)Of course, perhaps it wasn't morning for you... but it was for me...
Do the drums go into the ears as well?
This is a point in when I give your tour rig,.................4 out of 5 beards. lol
I give it 5 out of 5 beards!
Why dont you do MIDI switching for your patch changes on the Helix? Youre already running a daw, seems like a no brainer.
Wouldn’t you need a power amp to run the cab if using a helix??? I don’t think that Rev is a powered cab
Ryan Flinn he has the matrix. It’s a beast of a power amp
So you are not feeding Drum mics into the x32 for in-ear monitoring?
So you’ve switched to amp modeling live? I think you used to run the helix with a tube amp in 4 cable method didn’t you?
how does josh power his cab?
Can you go over the DMX stuff you're running?
How do you handle drums? Micing just for the FoH and not included in the Monitor mixes?
What tuning do you guys play in?
Drop d flat I believe
do u guys do not split the drum channels? Are these channels going directly into the FOH mix and you guys don’t have any drums on your in ear? 🤔
Missed videos like these.
How are the drum mics getting to your iem?
Thanks for this video ;)
You were in Dallas?! You were in my neighborhood dang it I would’ve come to the show had I known 😩
Don't worry, Fluff. It was good.
The helixes are sent to the splitter in mono? Or are you using the Line6 link AES/EBU?
my man on the bass DI's but is still hauling an 8x10 cab for AMBIENT PURPOSES????? love yourself, bro...
Love the audience more
A revv 212? I thought it was a Mesa amp
3 out of 5 beards for using line 6 instead of Kemper. Which is clearly better. Sorry Ryan.
wow. a live rig with no tube amp heads present. welcome to the new age.