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How Auto-Tune DESTROYED Popular Music

  • Published on Jan 2, 2023 veröffentlicht
  • In this video I discuss how the use of Auto-Tune in recent decades has opened the door to A.I. music.
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  • DarkSmashball
    DarkSmashball 2 months ago +2709

    There are a lot of ways how we could benefit from AI. Robbing ourselves of the joy of making music, art or poetry isn't one of them. Yet, we still do it. Humanity in a nutshell.

    • Raine Rader
      Raine Rader Month ago

      I’m hopeful because I see some old school type singers and bands on various social media

    • Michael Xz
      Michael Xz Month ago

      I don't really look forward to having all my meals in a restaurant served to me by automated systems... but then... no tips, right? bring it on?

    • Michael Xz
      Michael Xz Month ago +1

      call me crazy.. I liked Despacito... sure I'm not going to listen to it on my music collection but, I don't mind the video

    • albinomeuff2
      albinomeuff2 Month ago

      Dude, nobody is robbing you of anything. Just because AI will eventually be abble to make music and art, that doesn't mean you can't also keep making music and art.

  • Jacques Conradie
    Jacques Conradie Month ago +108

    "Are you concerned about the increase in artificial intelligence?"
    "No, but I'm concerned about the decrease in real intelligence."

  • Rob Freelove
    Rob Freelove Month ago +13

    Hey Rick, I'm a high school band director. I talk to my kids all the time about "beautiful mistakes." Mistakes are what make every performance unique and special. Why do gigging musician not get bored playing the same music time and time again? It's never the same....ever. The general listener may want to hear "radio cuts," but live tracks are where it's at. Long Live Mistakes!

  • Mark Slowhand
    Mark Slowhand 2 months ago +74

    This is the reason why I love to listen to the old Santana records even with this small slips in timing or pitch. I don' want to miss any of them and I love the feeling that is inside!

    • Mark Palmer
      Mark Palmer Month ago

      Who's he?

    • Jampass 2000
      Jampass 2000 Month ago

      @Richard Schmitt if you planed the mistake is not a mistake, just part of the song

    • autohmae
      autohmae Month ago

      @Richard Schmitt yeah, that's just gonna be a nob: how many mistakes to add per song.

    • Richard Schmitt
      Richard Schmitt Month ago +3

      and AI can replicate that

  • Matthew Vaughan
    Matthew Vaughan 2 months ago +5

    AI will just takeover the ''elevator music'' industry. TV Shows, adverts, copyright free music (imagine how many options future Clip-Sharers will have to choose from, we won't have to put up with 10,000 Clip-Sharers using the same 5 songs.) It will never truly take over the pop industry, bands, or Music scores for Movie films because 1) they are way too personalised and nuanced, and specifically directed by multiple minds competing for creative input 2) the originality of the artist IS what makes it special.
    You're absolutely correct that people can't tell artificial from authentic, but what does it matter? They *will* research it and find out eventually, especially as it becomes common place. Take the Saw theme, or Requiem for a Dream, for example -- literally everyone who saw those movies googled the artist because the music left an impression. How would you feel to find out it was artificial? For me, it would definitely take something away from the piece of art as a whole. I wouldn't look at it in the same way anymore. It'd be something -- less. TV adverts, on the other hand? I probably wouldn't google it to begin with, but if I did find out it was artificial, I'd say, ''yeah, totally understandable use of the budget.'' The advert would still stand on merit, unlike projects that are specifically judged on their musicality.

  • Mark Thomas
    Mark Thomas 2 months ago +69

    A lot of my friends who are in their early 20's have started listening to stuff from the 70's because it sounds "better" to them than the new stuff, so there's hope yet.

    • Mark Thomas
      Mark Thomas 16 days ago +1

      @Michael B. Interesting that - Ive heard Christopher Nolan is in that camp - I like the Oliver Cromwel idea of "paint my picture warts and all" because it's honest. I think perhaps some modern songs probably do suit a hyper real perfect mix than a less natural type of sound but these days the fashion of the times seems to be on over tweaking everything and it comes off as a bit "plastic" sounding to me - a bit like pictures of celebrities that are over photoshoped..

    • Thatcher Ulrich
      Thatcher Ulrich 17 days ago +1

      I think 70's was the peak of rock music recording quality. I was born in 69, coincidentally

    • Michael B.
      Michael B. 27 days ago +2

      There is a similar movement in the word of photography away from digital back to film and manual cameras with the imperfections embraced.

    • Brick gaming
      Brick gaming  Month ago +1

      That’s near identical to what I started doing just I’m not sure about if it’s exactly 70s what I listen to

    • Mark Palmer
      Mark Palmer Month ago +3

      @Kruk _7 I didn't know there was a later iteration. Morton Harket's voice was incredible when he was young, without any autotune and he looked pretty good too. Same as Marian Gold's voice in Forever Young by Alphaville from the same era.

  • brian legg
    brian legg 2 months ago +159

    9:00. "People are sick of me harping on it." I'll never get sick of you harping on it, Rick. If you DON'T keep harping on it, who will? THANK YOU for making your voice heard with this channel.

    • El Ectric
      El Ectric Month ago

      @Mini As Carl Sagan once stated, _"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."_

    • Dr.Strangelove
      Dr.Strangelove Month ago +1

      @James Felizardo My genration as a reaction to the hippies learned one thing, pendulums have this strange way of swinging back. Case in point no matter what side on the fence you were on, DISCO.

    • Pierre de Lange
      Pierre de Lange 2 months ago +1

      Spot on!

    • James Felizardo
      James Felizardo 2 months ago +3

      @Mini yes, while it is a reality in this generation, it doesnt mean we succumb to it. We can still remain to be the few people who love good old talent and pure music, and then appreciate partially that automation is for the younger generation. Something similar to how my parents reacted to the rock music of my generation compared to the standards of theirs. We just need to learn to partially accept this new brand of automated music as another genre to the wide range of music appreciation we currently have :-)

    • automachinehead
      automachinehead 2 months ago +3

      @Mini then let's do the most American thing ever

  • Mark Daisley
    Mark Daisley 2 months ago +123

    This is why Live music must never die. Support your local bands!! The human element. A great example is Mayer.. I don't feel he has ever captured how good he is live on an album yet and thats such a shame.

    • Steve Keys
      Steve Keys Month ago

      @Itroll I believe you’re reply was for someone else. I only said auto tuning is used for live performances.

    • Itroll
      Itroll Month ago

      @Steve Keys no its hasn't its just that theres just way more music being produced now

    • Mark Palmer
      Mark Palmer Month ago

      Who's he?

    • Cory Baker
      Cory Baker Month ago

      Supply and demand

    • Michael Xz
      Michael Xz Month ago +2

      @J. Grantham I disagree.. there are a lot of jam bands.. few can capture the magic

  • indieworks
    indieworks Month ago +16

    I can feel the sadness and dispair in you and I totally agree with your appraisal of the way things are going. I cannot Imagine listening to an AI generated track which could move me to tears with emotion like some of my favourite vinyl songs. If that happened we will surely have lost our souls.

  • Matthew Kutoloski
    Matthew Kutoloski 2 months ago +38

    I'm a professional mixing and mastering engineer so a lot of these topics involve my everyday life and income. I for one NEVER do time correction. I will do pitch correction, you have to, but I don't ever make them sound robotic. I have had a few clients complain but for the most part, people don't want to sound like that. I think it's just something major labels think people want to hear! My experience with indie artists over the last 5 years says differently. When you reach the level of being signed, you don't get a say in how your music sounds anymore. Hell, the artist doesn't even approve the final mix or master! It's sad really.

    • Matthew Kutoloski
      Matthew Kutoloski Month ago

      @Dr.Strangelove Very true

    • Dr.Strangelove
      Dr.Strangelove Month ago +1

      @Matthew Kutoloski I don't think it is even about money anymore it is about societal control, the people behind them have all the money they need and will do things to alienate audiences, just look at the movie industry.

    • Matthew Kutoloski
      Matthew Kutoloski Month ago +2

      @Scrooge McDuck Is My Spirit Animal Yep, it's all about the amount of money they can make. It has very little to do with talent anymore. Most of these pop singers are recording one or two phrases at a time. That's one of the reasons they lip-sync live. They can't sing the songs the whole way through in a way that would sound anything like the record.

    • Scrooge McDuck Is My Spirit Animal
      Scrooge McDuck Is My Spirit Animal Month ago +2

      @Matthew Kutoloski this confirms my suspicion that has grown over the last several years that music producers are no longer looking for musical talent, they're looking for performers that can dance and are willing to do anything they're told in a music video.
      Everything is so overproduced that in all the new music I can't tell if I'm hearing the person's real voice or not.
      It's an utterly soulless experience to listen to pop music of the day

    • Mariko the Cheetah
      Mariko the Cheetah Month ago +2

      @T MB Yes, it's all producers really. They can dictate everything, from the track list to the cover. Unfortunately, it's not so sweet and happy-free in music world. :/ Imagine having to sing a song you absolutely hate and this is more common than not.

  • aviation_nut
    aviation_nut 2 months ago +36

    Here's an even scarier thought... right now, auto-tune indeed feels robotic, but AI is advancing in such a way that I think auto-tune will start to feel more and more natural, to the point it may even introduce fake flaws and minute pitch imperfections to better emulate a more acoustic and analog sound. So then even if the trends start moving back to less digital sounding music, AI will have that covered as well. "Elvis Lives" might start to get a whole new meaning.

    • Bill Smith
      Bill Smith Month ago +1

      They've had that for many years decades even. In MIDI sequencers there is a feature called "humanize" that randomly alters the pitch and timing of the sequence.

    • PopOff!
      PopOff! Month ago +4

      @Michael Conner Real guitarists you have pay more.

    • Michael Conner
      Michael Conner Month ago +2

      Its already happening. I can't remember the particular song because its a pop song and im not a big fan of pop. My producer was showing me examples of just this." Intentional flaws" and in this song they emulated the sound of fingers sliding across the strings like when a real guitarist often does when changing chords. Crazy to me... Why not just use a real guitarist.?

    • Sam McCue
      Sam McCue Month ago +9

      "It's always been my understanding that if you couldn't sing on key, you shouldn;t be in the fu*king business." ~ Rich Robinson

  • greggalemusic
    greggalemusic 2 months ago +34

    You're so right about this! But there is another aspect: people today are getting used to hearing 'perfect' music. Pitch perfect vocals, perfect drums, perfect everything. So when REAL people try to make REAL unedited music, it's just not good enough anymore. If any of the Beatles' songs came out today, people would freak out about all the tempo variation in Ringo's drum tracks, all the tiny vocal imperfections. Because today people expect an unrealistic perfection, and THAT opens the door for the AI taking over.

    • Jenson Swingershots
      Jenson Swingershots Month ago +2

      Couldn't agree more

    • B.Hornet III.
      B.Hornet III.  2 months ago +1

      You forgot one thing: The human brain gets use to repetitive patterns wery quickly and perfect is boring and has no "new information" and has no future. That's why it's hard to do a song that is timeless. It's has dynamic, and it's perfectly done with inperfections put in the right places.

    • dondonaudio
      dondonaudio 2 months ago +2

      I totally agree with you. There movements against this perfectionism trend though.
      Remember the loudness war, where people (finally) accepted that there is a ceiling you can’t break through. So let’s all take it back a little. Maybe this will happen again with the perfection war. I hope so :)

    • Eric Fortin
      Eric Fortin 2 months ago

      There is such a thing as "over-production"."

    • OwenF
      OwenF 2 months ago +3

      it is true that either way ai could learn to do imperfections. it would just take longer just look at the AI replications of kurt cobain. this is all pretty much within the end of 2022 start of 2023 too. all a couple of months imagine in 2 years as it accelerates as it goes on. just like most technology does

  • Roger Carlson
    Roger Carlson 2 months ago +209

    This is exactly what the music industry wants, no risk & complete control!

    • Benedict Monke, The Hugh Janus
      Benedict Monke, The Hugh Janus 9 days ago

      This is literally Hayley williams vs olivia rodrigo, Olive needs autotune and Hayley doesn't.

    • B Sto
      B Sto 13 days ago

      What music industry?
      Did you notice, that the only industry which cares about musicians is the one who builds real instruments?

    • littlegee
      littlegee 2 months ago

      @Mini Sales

    • Mini
      Mini 2 months ago

      @RONALD MILNER this is not what they meant in that song. 1977 was the Stone Age compared to where technology is, today.

    • Mini
      Mini 2 months ago

      @littlegee what numbers?

  • MIDIhead
    MIDIhead Month ago +7

    I'm still singing without Auto Tune, but I'm not selling records and don't care. Music has always been about communicating from your soul. If a computer (which is soulless) is making it, the fundamental mechanism for FEELING something from music has been removed. I'll take that feeling over the money any day. That's why some of us are still starving musicians, and will always be, I guess. :) But at least we still have our soul.

  • Supergoddad
    Supergoddad 2 months ago +5

    Funny thing about ChatGPT: I went to a special lecture on that this evening and the neuroscientist/philosopher of mind said that the technology behind ChatGPT is designed to predict the response, based on the database and the text you're giving. There was a pretty intense discussion around it, though eventually the two invited speakers were convinced that it's not creative nor original.
    Naturally, I don't know the arguments, and you can argue that the word order matters, though (now that I remember) one thing that was pointed out, was the process of comprehension - because ChatGPT doesn't understand what it's saying.
    So, building on the notion that comprehension is a process, you could argue that comprehension is almost always necessary for creativity - there can be creativity in not understanding, yet I don't think that's a very large part.
    Besides, ChatGPT is a language model, which would be "weak AI" --> "strong AI" has been theorized have a consciousness.

  • Danny Harring Music
    Danny Harring Music 2 months ago +5

    I believe that for people who prefer over produced pop music, musicianship and performance is already of no use. Image is everything for them.
    But, there will always be an audience somewhere that really wants to hear someone truly play, sing and really perform.

  • Jade Kennedy
    Jade Kennedy Month ago +1

    I stopped listening to new music years ago. There is enough great music from different genre's that I can throw on a favorite albulm or mix and not get tired of it.

  • Michael Kung
    Michael Kung Month ago +4

    You’re damn right! I’ve never get used to this kind of music, cold, no warmth, and too robotic and no human emotion in this stuff

  • Mark NJ
    Mark NJ 2 months ago +260

    My fear is that, it won't be long before AI and computer animation will be generating such realistic video, we won't be able to tell the difference between Rick Beato and Rick Roboto. Don't let them clone you, Rick.

    • magicmel02
      magicmel02 2 months ago

      @Aaron Evans Well, there is that litle glitch an 9:02...just sayin... ;-) Dun...dun...duuuuun!

    • Aaron Evans
      Aaron Evans 2 months ago +1

      The problem is that you won’t be able to tell.

    • Wannabe Car Channel
      Wannabe Car Channel 2 months ago

      Transvolta warned of this clear back in the seventies, it was announced the arrival of the Disco computer!
      They clearly said it was the future!

    • Kevin Howard-Tripp
      Kevin Howard-Tripp 2 months ago

      i think that is an excellent comment

    • Kerry Kugelman
      Kerry Kugelman 2 months ago

      @Fat Mat Brilliant

  • Shirley Muhleisen
    Shirley Muhleisen Month ago +3

    I love hearing music that gives me a chill or puts a tear in my eye. (e.g., Doyle Bramhall II “Searching for Love” w/ Nora Jones. Real music)

  • Standard Deviant
    Standard Deviant 2 months ago +4

    I have long been opposed to pitch correction software, but as a wretched perfectionist I have always seemed to be able to justify the editing of my instrument tracks to a grid. Altering--if not wholly removing--the original expression that comes from an instrument that is literally composed of the human body has always felt like it's own level of...cheating? Sin? I've been thinking about this a lot recently. I listened to this old Cap'n Jazz song yesterday and had a sudden drive to return to my own viscerally expressive and emotional punk roots. I think it's appealing almost BECAUSE it can't be accurately mimicked by algorithms. Can I say the same about drum tracks on songs I've recorded? Something for myself to consider, indeed.

  • jsullivan2112
    jsullivan2112 Month ago +6

    I think both you and Billy are bang on, as soon as he said that my heart sank. If it's coming from someone like him, it's most likely true with the insight and experience he has. Very depressing.
    Music is becoming 100% disposable, or at least popular music.

  • Robert-Averkios Antonsen
    Robert-Averkios Antonsen 2 months ago +7

    You are right, Rick. The buying audience has long ago accepted people playing laptops on stage and mass produced pop music jammed to the hilt with autotuners, programming, editing etc....The music industry is getting greedier and greedier, first they removed the band and kept the singers ( usually provided by yet another tv show...) , then they got some slick producer in to copy and paste everything, use the same beats and progressions like everybody else..the next step is removing ..well,everybody and keep all the money in their pockets. The scary thing, as you pointed out, is that the audience wouldn't even notice.....mainstrean pop has never been more dreary and tasteless....

  • Joe Ortiz
    Joe Ortiz Month ago +6

    Rick, I LOVE your videos and channel and you have so very much to give to the music community. THIS particular video was depressing! The subject matter, the process, the technology, the whole shebang is just full of musical doomsday .... and the saddest part of all of this is that you are right on ALL OF IT!!! Sort of makes me glad that I have finally hung up the gloves and retired. Had I known what was around the corner with all of this, I would have studied to become a divorce lawyer or even better - a corporate lawyer! As ever, though, thank you for producing and making these videos available to us all; you are a superstar and a legend!!!

  • YeahOK
    YeahOK 2 months ago +101

    Also Rick, I've noticed that younger people prefer the auto tuned versions. They even think that older records have terrible vocals, probably because they are so used to hearing today's hyper tuned songs. Scary stuff. Great channel Rick.

    • Meister Dejv
      Meister Dejv 2 months ago

      @Mini You said it will best humans in all aspects of life? Cool. As long as it cleans toilets better than me it can compose and produce music too.

    • heddecatamer
      heddecatamer 2 months ago

      To be fair, older music does have a lot of terrible vocals, just a ton of sharps and flats everywhere, It's annoying to listen to. I just think that if you can't sing you shouldn't have a career as a singer.

      STOP TRANSLATING VIDEO TITLES! 2 months ago +1

      Familiarity bias is real, but I'm not sure if it applies here. I grew up in the Naughties and I've always hated the Autotune effect.
      I do think that vocals - in general - are better nowadays, but not because of Autotune, because of better recordings, production and (perhaps most importantly) better training and technique of the vocalists. At least in Rock music, dunno bout other genres.
      A lot of classic Rock bands from the 60's and 70's, as well as the pioneers of punk and hard rock, etc. sound like they're just screaming at the top of their lungs, making one wonder how they didn't blow their vocal cords. It does sound cool, but not very musically skilled, tbh.
      Sure, you have a couple of virtuoso singers like Freddy Mercury, Rob Halford or Robert Plant, but most of the classic Rock heroes don't sound that great from a purely technical standpoint. Which makes perfect sense, given they were the pioneers of the whole genre and its sub-genres. They had the balls to ignore teachings and try out something completely different. They figured it out as they went, while today's Rock singers have the benefit of being able to learn from them and improve upon it, giving them a higher ground to start from.

    • Freidlon7
      Freidlon7 2 months ago +3

      My daughters aged 10 and 12 can’t stand the sound of modern music. Particularly auto tune… they love organic music. And they can certainly hear or should I say feel the difference. They like a good many of their friends love Bowie, the Beatles, Queen, Nirvana etc.. they literally cry in agony when Ed Sheerean. comes on the radio.. my 12 year old said ‘if I hear another little boy lost singer having a nervous break down into a microphone I’m going to puke’

    • Mini
      Mini 2 months ago +3

      we are screwed.

  • FoxGhost7
    FoxGhost7 2 months ago +1

    At least in more recent pop there is a lot of stuff with "invisible" autotune where it's only used for pitch correction instead of a full digital warp. Hurray. But the effects of the loudness war are still much slower to retreat. Especially producers are so used to hyper compressed sounds they demand things that hurt sound engineers in their soul. Just had a talk recently, dude ended with "nowadays I just don't care anymore. I just put the compressor over everything and call it a day" Soulcrushing.

  • Senchi3
    Senchi3 Month ago +14

    Old Man discovers electronic music, has meltdown.

  • Antti Tenhunen
    Antti Tenhunen 2 months ago +8

    I feel you! One of the earliest experiences for me was Black Eyed Peas who were so great before autotune and suddenly they became super generic with The E.N.D. album in 2009

  • Willy Chales
    Willy Chales Month ago +3

    Art, in my opinion, is the expression of feeling!!! no machine will make art!!!! From Brazil!

  • Zachary Findlay-Maddox
    Zachary Findlay-Maddox 2 months ago +31

    I was a teenager in the 90's, and it was a culture shock going into the 2000's, in the fact that music started sounding really fake. Subscribed!

    • Ace1989
      Ace1989 Month ago

      @Dr.Strangelove Well, that makes the two of us and I'm telling you that New Kids on the Block, Take That, and Marky Mark among others were a thing around the same time Nirvana was around.
      Alternative music always ebbs and flows. It did before Nirvana and after and today's no exception. There was a time a decade ago when indie rock was about to go mainstream and had a bit of a moment and then... it fizzled out. Same with synthwave and then shoegaze. Till major producers took elements of them and stripped it of its soul in the process. A bit like what the Goo Goo Dolls did with Nirvana.
      That's always how it is. Superficial crap has always been around and promoted by major labels. But it doesn't often have a long shelf life except for nostalgic reasons. But there's no glorious time in the past followed by crap. That's just wrong perception. Every time has the same thing and every generation feels the same.

    • Dr.Strangelove
      Dr.Strangelove Month ago

      @Ace1989 I was alive in the 90's and I am telling you when Nirvana was around no one gave a damn about such bands I will even dare say if Kurt had not killed himself Britney would never had a career. Superficial crap started to come back after his death, grunge with industrial and other heavier genres were the music market, alternative was going very mainstream.

    • Ace1989
      Ace1989 Month ago

      @Dr.Strangelove What's that got to do with anything? There's alternative music in every generation that's good.
      And also a LOT of manufactured pop. 90s especially was full of girl and boy bands who had their music written by someone else. 90s is when Max Martin started his career.

    • Dr.Strangelove
      Dr.Strangelove Month ago

      @Ace1989 Did No Doubt, NIN, Tool and Nirvana also pass you by?

    • Ace1989
      Ace1989 Month ago

      It was a shock? Why?
      Did all the manufactured boy and girl bands of the 90s pass you by?

  • cpsedmonds
    cpsedmonds 2 months ago +151

    Rick, let me tell you, this is something I find so hard to fight against whilst recording music.
    The songs I write and the recordings I make sound genuine to me, but during the whole process, it just sounds so anti-radio that it's amusing. My vocals are completely untouched by pitch correction, and sometimes I just re-record it to get a better take, sometimes I like the human nature of how I messed it up.
    Here's my point: If you want to make genuine music nowadays, you have to accept that it won't be commercially viable.
    There are thousands of artists still writing and performing at a top shelf standard, none of whom are going to make it on to the radio, let alone make it a career. This is why some of the best modern music you can hear is down the open mic nights and at local shows.

    • meded moon
      meded moon 2 months ago +1

      I disagree and will cite Hopsin as a very successful, independent hip hop artist, genuine as can be. I think Adele is a top shelf singer and probably the most soulful and genuine singers of the modern day and is the number one selling artist last year with her album "30" selling 575,000 albums in its first 3 days. That number is impressive even for early 2000's standards. I not even arguing your point, but, luckily, it seems as though great music is still valued by many.

    • Alex Tysen
      Alex Tysen 2 months ago +1

      Beautifully said

    • Kimberly M
      Kimberly M 2 months ago +3

      I remember when Billy Joel released his song "You're Only Human", and you clearly hear him stumble on the third chorus (then chuckle). He was going to redo that part, but someone convinced him that it was perfect for the song. That wouldn't fly now. Autotune and its deadening of music is a travesty.

    • Alberto Campagnolo
      Alberto Campagnolo 2 months ago +2

      Like a fellow musician told me many years ago, "nowadays if you want to listen to real music, you have to search for it on Clip-Share". And it becomes more real every year that passes.

    • TimeWaver TV
      TimeWaver TV 2 months ago +3

      Be happy that you can still sing with your own voice. Just imagine you would have asked singers like Bob Dylan or Neil Young to "correct" their unique voices. They would have laughed.

  • Taco Querens
    Taco Querens 2 months ago +1

    Remember the late 60s/early 70s? Anybody who could hold on to an instrument made singles. So many one hit wonders who weren’t proficient, but they sure were creative and inspired. A brave new world indeed.
    This age is the exact opposite. If AI took over, I wouldn’t notice. Real life people haven’t done any better than what AI can do for a long time. Turns out, those pre boomers, who always complained about anything new being a downgrade, they were right all along. I’ll be listening to Sibelius’ violin concerto in Dminor tonight

  • micha063
    micha063 2 months ago +6

    I am 60 and love to play guitar since I was 11. I learned hundrets of songs, play for kids every day, wrote songs for them and write tunes for myself. All the knowlege of theory and practice have grown over the years and may be it is posdible to put all this into a machine. But spirit, creativity, emotion, personality, joy, soul, the beauty of the very second, the joy of playing, listening yourself and others and singing together, all this and so much more can not be made by machines. Even tuning my guitar with the tuning-fork instead of the tuning device is joy. When I start to tune my guitar, I have to listen and so I start to play. There is no playing without listening.
    I'm glad to be able to experience this, to share it and to give it to young kids.

  • david burchfield
    david burchfield Month ago +4

    With a vibrating string or vocal chords the overtones are amplitude modulated by the fundamental. If you shift the frequency of the fundamental and overtones the original modulation of overtones remains on the initial frequency. This gives the synthesized effect.

  • Paul Fiero
    Paul Fiero Month ago +1

    Rick really tells it like it is. We are removing the soul from music

  • Carl Last Name
    Carl Last Name 2 months ago +6

    I always like the reaction videos from the young crowd when they hear the artists I grew up with (I'm GenX). They are always blown away and the comments are always "that was back when artists had to have talent."

  • O H
    O H 2 months ago +16

    I'm a drummer, for years I've been seeing the narrative of music being hijacked by gearheads, technicians and acrobats.
    At first i put up a fight, but as i see every aspect of modern life being hijacked by anxiety fueled bozos, i decided to just ride it out.
    It's beyond music, the world isn't right.
    Adding to the list "business people".
    Also, important for me to clarify that for me the strength in my art and craft as a percussionist is in the vibe within reality, so my function as a human conveying the art of rhythm doesn't necessarily have to do with that model of structured songs.

    • Gene Cali
      Gene Cali 2 months ago

      For drummers all the electronics is great. I like having an E-set that I can tweak to many different percussion instruments. I just don't care for singers and keyboards sounding like Alien Chipmunks. ;-)

    • matthew coombs
      matthew coombs 2 months ago +1

      The World is being shaped by nerds. The Zuckerbergs/Gates types - I might retreat to my log cabin with my acoustic guitar very soon.

  • Andreas Fryk
    Andreas Fryk Month ago +1

    Symphony Orchestras don't use autotune (how could they). That's why they sound so great.

  • Steal Your Tone
    Steal Your Tone Month ago

    I agree with you. Even though I use a drumcomputer and tons of effects on my music. The instrument I play (guitar) has to be real. I sometimes even let mistakes come in the endresult just that something isn't perfect doesn't make it always worse.

  • Umberto Palazzo
    Umberto Palazzo Month ago +4

    You and Billy are fully on point. Pop music will be AI generated.

  • Kajak Kajak
    Kajak Kajak 25 days ago

    More than 25 years ago Peter Bastian wrote a computer program that composed and played jazz piano solos far better than any human player that I've ever heard. That was not AI but a program based on musical knowledge. Incorporating that kind of knowledge in programs would certainly benefit the quality of contemporary pop music and film music. No humans needed. The current state of autotune is terrible. I completely agree with you. It destroys pop songs. Fortunately we can still go to the opera.

  • A
    A 2 months ago +6

    For me, someone who has composed and put many hours into my own songs, I enjoy listening to compositions by genuine musicians who I can look up to and seek inspiration from. I love those people out there who really keep music as its original foundation: an art form. I just can’t be inspired by Artificial intelligence.

    • A
      A 2 months ago +1

      @Radiofloyd 235 I agree. They are two different things.

    • Radiofloyd 235
      Radiofloyd 235 2 months ago +1

      I agree.
      I also think it's really dumb to blame auto tune for this AI shift.

    • A
      A 2 months ago +1

      @jaydekaytv yeah. Sad.

    • jaydekaytv
      jaydekaytv 2 months ago +1

      Yes and that's wonderful, but 99.99999999% of the population isn't like that, unfortunately.

  • TrustySidekick
    TrustySidekick 2 months ago +25

    I remember Taylor Hawkins in a BBC interview talking about how he thinks there will be a garage revival someday in the future, of people making music without relying on technology to fix everything. This type of conversation makes me hope he's right and makes me more appreciative of the bands and artists still doing it organically. Imperfection in music is what makes it human.
    I just started playing in a band for the first time at 32 years old, and I'm glad I'm surrounded by other musicians who appreciate and want to keep alive the era of real, organic music.

    • Chrystal S.
      Chrystal S. 2 months ago +2

      @TrustySidekick I’m not arguing with that really, in fact some of my favorite albums from the 90’s are Zooropa and Morning Dove White. You can make a lot of great tracks with the help of Synths and PC’s, in fact I still want a decent keyboard and machinery, my real issues here are quality standards that aren’t around in a few too many mainstream Music circles anymore.

    • TrustySidekick
      TrustySidekick 2 months ago +2

      @Chrystal S. I can't speak for Taylor obviously but for me, at least, it's less about technology being used at all and more about it being used specifically for the goal of making flawless music. Technology has done a lot to better music, certainly.

    • TrustySidekick
      TrustySidekick 2 months ago +2

      @Chrystal S. 100% agreed

    • Chrystal S.
      Chrystal S. 2 months ago +4

      I’m ok with technology, but we need to get back to Analog recordings.

    • steve denis
      steve denis 2 months ago +2

      Punk robots.

  • Theo Aniketos
    Theo Aniketos Month ago

    You´ll probably find easy and instantly rejection to the message on this video. But here´s also definitely described a resistence call to the real musicians, and real songs. I intent to record some live w/out edition music soon. All the efforts to preproduction! Letsgo

  • Dave Bruton
    Dave Bruton Month ago +1

    All that's needed , is TALENT ! If you got it , you've got it . Don't Sell Out or Sell Yourself Short !

  • calkelpdiver
    calkelpdiver 2 months ago

    Respect, Rick. Respect. I work in the Software industry and computers can do some amazing things. But certain ones should be left untouched.
    I can't sing, I can't play an instrument, but I enjoy really honest music. I turn 60 this year, and I still watch old live performances by bands from the 70's and 80's. I grew up watching "The Midnight Special" and seeing bands play live (as much as possible). They had to have talented musicians and singers, otherwise the audience would probably walk out on them. There is nothing like listening to Paul Rodgers sing "Alright Now" or Ann Wilson belt out "Barracuda" live.
    It is funny though that now some of the newer generations are listing to vinyl albums (I just bought my daughter a record player and gave her some of my old albums, including The Beatles Abby Road (original Apple record pressing) which I got from my older brother on my 18th birthday from his collection).
    Again, thank your for your insights and honesty regarding music. Always enjoy your videos.

  • Paul Posner
    Paul Posner 2 months ago +1

    I've been an electronic musician since 1983. Synths, then drum machines, onto hardware Midi Sequencing, and then software sequencing... Samplers found their way into my rigs from 1986. I also play bass, a little guitar and even some accordion. As i got more tired of working with others, digital capabilities took their place. I never used any autotune, nor AI composition tools. One thing I always kept a sharp ear for was " does this sound too mechanical?" and so I would shift things in time to 'humanize' a feel into the strict, rigid digital timing. I've spent a lot of time trying to make cold stuff warmer, rigid stuff looser, and I've written all of it like that... Those small variations, from bar to bar even, are KEY to electronic music sounding human.
    Now, human music all sounds so electronic, so rigid and constrained... Bleagh!

  • Astrah Cat
    Astrah Cat Month ago +1

    With how dumbed down radio and mainstream Spotify music is, yes, of course an AI can generate THAT.
    This is why my whole life I've been listening to soundtrack, Broadway and video game background music.

  • Lawrence Wescott
    Lawrence Wescott 2 months ago +202

    As a high school music teacher, it's getting harder and harder to impart the joy of organically creating music to my students. Pre-fab loops, AI drummers, auto-tune, etc. all make up for a lack of formal musical education and result in a flood of mediocrity. Most listeners don't care.

    • Jules Archambault
      Jules Archambault Month ago

      ok boomer

    • Halo
      Halo 2 months ago +2

      @Mini Well said! Bravo. My daughter plays ancient Greek harp. It does not prevent her to experiment with DAWs, vsts, hardware synths and other modern solutions. I see many comments here from frustrated people with narrow-minded view on the subject.

    • Dr.Strangelove
      Dr.Strangelove 2 months ago

      @Bogbanter ahh I do not understand why people think she is so beautiful when you have someone like Taylor Swift to look at, her music well that is for another comment.

    • Dr.Strangelove
      Dr.Strangelove 2 months ago +1

      @Mini they thought that too until the Butlerian Jihad, keep it up for I feel one is coming.

  • Rylie Riley
    Rylie Riley 2 months ago +1

    When you said, "lacking humanity", I said "There you go!" That's exactly what's been removed from music. They're even doing it to older songs that were recorded before pitch and time correction tools were available. I can hear it the instant I listen to a song. We need to start a movement to bring the humanness back into music. 🙃

    • Rylie Riley
      Rylie Riley 2 months ago

      @Palmer Eldritch_666 I think there's also a place for humanity in recorded music, but I know what you're saying, and you're totally right that the music is out there everywhere. I listen to all types of live music, and I always will. I love it.

    • Palmer Eldritch_666
      Palmer Eldritch_666 2 months ago +1

      I feel like that movement is here. There are jillions of performers on youtube, in coffee shops, in subways, in bars, out there killin' it as they always have been. Everyone is bemoaning the loss of humanity in pop music the business, but it hasn't been there for a very, very long time.

  • Timothy Dwyer
    Timothy Dwyer Month ago

    The more people interact with these base level public AI chat, image, and music generators, the better they will get at producing facsimiles of human generated content. We are past the singularity at this point. People are in no way ready for what is coming. All the artists, craftsmen, and builders need to hold out as long as possible to help spread analog wisdom and rebuild after the dust settles. There is still hope!

  • M HA
    M HA Month ago

    I think the most fascinating aspect is that people thought AI would take the artists last, but the artists are relatively early on the chopping block.

  • tightcorset
    tightcorset Month ago

    My SO and I were talking about this the other night. There is such a night and day difference in artists from today versus my parents generation. They talk about going to Aerosmith and Billy Joel concerts and how the "good bands" sounded a lot like their records and the bad ones just sounded bad "live". The artists prior to 1990 had to know how to sing because there was only so much you could do (short of doing a Milli Vanilli) to make someone sound good. But now as long as you have a smoking hot bod and can dance well, the industry can turn you into a pop star because it doesn't matter what you sound like, auto-tune can fix it. So sad...

  • Mariko the Cheetah
    Mariko the Cheetah Month ago +1

    That is why I always judge the singer by their live performance. And most of the western singers have a huge problem with singing live if they are not supported by auto-tune, which can now correct the voce on the go. Will stay with my Japanese bands ^^

  • JED
    JED 2 months ago +164

    This is one reason why I go to “open mics”… to hear real musicians play guitars and sing… not always great music, but it is MUSIC!

    • 9th Circle of Hell
      9th Circle of Hell 22 days ago

      At least they care about the authentic sound a human can produce.

    • Tim Brophy
      Tim Brophy 2 months ago +7

      I’m one of those people who plays at open mics. Yes, no backing tracks, no auto tunes. Muff the cords, forget the words, but it is live and real.

    • Tabby
      Tabby 2 months ago +5

      @AC I think the idea of open mics in general is to simply have fun. It's nothing manufactured, it's not a judging panel and most of all, it's a community that people can feel comfortable sharing a gift and that's music. Yeah, some nights can be better than others but most importantly, it builds a community. I miss that. Prime example, the San Francisco scene... They were "neighbors" back then that didn't have the "machine" protruding. It really wasn't until after Woodstock that the "business" and to a large degree really changed. While Woodstock was beautiful in setting the example of half a million people coming together with a sharing purpose to enjoy the talents of musicians, it also opened up an empire that I think most artists got sucked into. Hence Pink Floyd's Welcome To The Machine and Have A Cigar.

    • AC
      AC 2 months ago +12

      I've seen some awful, awful open mic performances and they've been a million, million times better than a lot of thigs on the radio.

    • Tabby
      Tabby 2 months ago +5

      I've been doing the same thing more than ever. And I'm a musician myself.

  • nowornever
    nowornever 2 months ago +4

    if we talk specifically about rhythm, I think the problem it's not in the drum machines, the problem when producers quantize beats to death and they sound like a computer with no human feel at all... an example that comes to mind is the song "when doves cry" from Prince, that drum machine used in that song has a very organic and human feel to it, so when people listen to that, they enjoy the song the same way as every song with a human drummer playing it.

  • Indietonne
    Indietonne Month ago

    You are absolutely right with people don‘t care and the synthetic voice of AT really will help AI to create really soon a mass of music (which will sound just good enough). It will be a journey and we will be on this ride. AI will and is already part of most every day uses and will get better by the minute. At the moment you can have AU based VST-plugins for creation, „enhancing“ and mastering and it already sounds not worse than a lot of human made music parts.

  • Paul Kelly
    Paul Kelly 2 months ago +1

    A lot of people are now taking up folk music just a guitar and vocals. At one time Tamala Motown sounded like it was all done on a computer. To days music is very formulaic and deserves to be done by AI.

  • Kolob Bob
    Kolob Bob 2 months ago +3

    I like hearing human voices in songs. Call me crazy. When I was growing up people actually sang... besides Cher. And songs had complexity and creativity.

  • Seddy
    Seddy 2 months ago +86

    When I heard T pain sing I genuinely can't believe he would rather have the auto tune version of his songs than his natural voice. It's crazy to me... he is a great singer.

    • Oaktown Dimond
      Oaktown Dimond Month ago

      ​@Andrew Maddenmy understanding was usher was just pissed that TP showed non singers they could still sing. Usher knows T pain is a good singer.

    • Oaktown Dimond
      Oaktown Dimond Month ago

      T pain uses autotune as an effect. Not as a crutch. he's said in the past, that you still need to be able to sing to be able to manipulate the algorithm.

    • NoahSherwinMusic
      NoahSherwinMusic Month ago

      He talked about it and said that he tried without autotune but the stuff that did the best was his autotune stuff, so he just rolled with it.

    • jsullivan2112
      jsullivan2112 Month ago

      He probably hates the sound of his own voice. I can sing really well, on pitch with a lot of expression and technique, but whenever I hear it recorded and played back the timbre makes me cringe. Despite pretty much everyone I know saying it sounds great. It can be a really hard thing to get past, because we don't hear ourselves the way others do.
      John Lennon couldn't stand the sound of his own voice either, and come on! It's John Lennon, one of the greatest rock n' roll vocals of all time.

    • Oscar In Asia
      Oscar In Asia Month ago +1

      Yeah, I'm not worried about T-pain, he is upfront about his use of autotune, it's part of his act... and that's fine! It's like those acts in the 70's and 80's that used vocoders. I worry about singers that subtly use autotune to make up for the fact that they AREN'T good singers (or are no longer good singers)... I've heard that it is possible to do autotune in real-time for live shows. This I think is essentially the same as lip-syncing to backing tracks, and should not be allowed.

  • Rod Challis
    Rod Challis 2 months ago +107

    My job in manufacturing (since retired) had me going from line to line, machine to machine checking product as part of Q.A. Co-workers had radios, loud ones. Something I noticed over time was that even when a radio was not quite on the station, or if a speaker was blown guys would still listen to it. Drove me nuts. Then one day, I went to a work station where a guy had his radio just on static, white noise. It dawned on me that some people weren't listening to music to listen to music, they were just afraid to be alone with their brain, or something. Much of pop music strikes me as designed for that. It's not really for listening to. AI will fit right in there and take over. Gerry's "Human Music" from "Rick and Morty."

    • C Cl
      C Cl 2 months ago

      I appreciate this comment more than words can say right now.
      I grew up in the generation who had baby boomer parents- do you know those houses with TVs in every room that are constantly on? Yes, I'm sure someone reading has been in those houses.

    • Rod Challis
      Rod Challis 2 months ago

      @The Pidgeon’s Forge My last few years before retirement, I ran a double blanking press. Sometimes we make blanks 22.5" in diameter, cut out of coil steel almost a half inch thick. Every cycle (cycle time 6 seconds) had the same decibel level as a rifle shot. Sometimes the guys who ran the de-coiler, who had about 20 minutes or more idle time between coils would fall asleep right beside the press.

    • galtonova
      galtonova 2 months ago +1

      white noise is a very good tool to block out your intrusive thoughts and distractions. It has nothing to do with being afraid. White noise can help you focus by making the part of your brain (that looks around for threats, distracts you) busy with it so that you can focus better. Also in a crowded environment, it sort of acts as a noise cancelling tool because our brains can tune out white noise after a short time of listening to it. And if it blocks out other ambient noise, it's a win win. A lot of people listen to music in public transport or during studying or working not to enjoy it but to make themselves focus better. To me, when a song is really good, I can do nothing but listen to it and focus on to the music, so actually repetitive and generic music, or just putting on noise cancelling headphones with silence are better for me while doing my job.

    • ebits
      ebits 2 months ago

      @peter macinnes no need to be "only child" for that. I've got five brothers, yet I am happy being by myself.

    • Mr.bits65
      Mr.bits65 2 months ago

      T pain is an excellent singer!

  • САША
    САША Month ago

    Recently, I started to love my mistakes when I record a drum part or keys and stopped aligning the parts perfectly. It seems to me that when everyone gets bored with ai music, people will look for humanity, that is, mistakes that are not characteristic of ai. And I doubt that ai will be able to pick up words so subtly as a person does

  • Kingsley Zissou
    Kingsley Zissou 2 months ago +1

    generating art and music is like baby steps for AI

  • DL Vox
    DL Vox Month ago

    When I made my dumb little record my producer comped vocal takes. I would get 3 opportunities to sing each part. We listened back and chose the vocal comp. Then and only then would it be tuned if I couldn’t nail it. Some “bad” stuff was left in because the producer was like “delivery and energy good, it’s rock”

  • AE Wizard & Boogie Wizard Channel

    As a parent in a musical family who trains a 12 y/o boy to play, create real music and respect art, this is so sad for his future!

  • Thomas Eby
    Thomas Eby Month ago

    A small addition: a whole generation of singers has grown up hearing and emulating autotune, for better or for worse, and it affects how they hear, their pitch, their performances. I’ve met several ultra talented young singers that SOUND autotuned live. Their runs are incredible. 🤷‍♂️ its a thing!

  • Home Run home show
    Home Run home show 2 months ago +108

    Rick, you've re-confirmed my sense that my taste in good music has repeatedly brought me back to the 70s and some of the 80's. The sound of clear vocals and actual instruments being played cannot be replaced in my music appreciation.

    • Mini
      Mini 2 months ago

      ​@Robert Eltze He named one of his kids after Bob Dylan, Last I heard “the Judas” was still mumbling songs live in concert. I agree with Rick. There were a few good songs from the 80s but the vast majority was garbage. Go figure.

    • Mark Jones
      Mark Jones 2 months ago +1

      What irritates the $#!+ out of me is when some current day artist or group, (that seem to be permanently connected to a studio by a digital umbilical cord), does a cover of a classic created and released in the 70s or 80's. The simplicity of digital when it comes to the editing, read manipulating, of tracks is immeasurable. As Rick points out, A.I. can and will do it for you.
      And then that cover becomes a hit with an audience that doesn't have a clue of its origin. There should be an * or footnote following the title but who would read it?

    • big bopper
      big bopper 2 months ago +2

      I'd like to disagree with the 80s. To me it was overproduced and predictable music. Most groups in the west had lost most of their originality, but there were some absolute bangers though.

    • Robert Eltze
      Robert Eltze 2 months ago +1

      @Mini he said he likes clear vocals. The sound of the 90s was muddled vocals. Sure it wasn't all the marble mouthed vocals of Nirvana but most everyone had a bit of distortion in the vocals. That's one of the reasons I disliked most of what the 90s offered.

  • Marc H
    Marc H 2 months ago +3

    every time i watch Rick's Videos, i'm thinking he is like the "Anthony Bourdain" of the music industry... and i mean that as BIG compliment!! Keep'em coming Rick

  • Car Zone23
    Car Zone23 2 months ago +1

    This is exactly the reason I continue to listen to, and download 60's and 70's and 80's music,.... because I have an appreciation for it.

  • Lifeson83
    Lifeson83 19 days ago

    Nothing beats an acoustic to prove you can really play 😎🤟

  • Brian Pierce
    Brian Pierce Month ago +1

    Rick, you made a point when you demo’d the AI song writing piece. You are spot on about the quality of the lyrics…sterile, cheesy, uninspired…on and on. Good music not only has variation of sounds, it also has emotion. If AI becomes the preferred pipeline for music creation, does live music die too? I’m nearly your age, and my kids are enamored with live music, just like us when we were kids. It’s that mystique that gives me hope that musicians that can play instruments have a place forever. Can you imagine AI creating anything like a Derek Trucks jam?

  • W R
    W R 2 months ago

    There will always be a segment that doesn't care where the music comes from. However, live music either small concerts, outdoor venues, house concerts..etc...will continue and maybe live concerts will push the needle back to a time like the 70s where artist can showcase there original music with all its flaws to an appreciative audience.

  • MegaPezza1
    MegaPezza1 2 months ago +180

    I recorded a vocal a while back of a teenage girl. As I was listening to it there was a moment when her vocal sounded like it snapped from one note to the next as it does when autotune is over exaggerated. It took me a moment to realise that there was no autotune, it was just the way she was singing, I guess she's heard so many tracks with it on that she was just mimicking this as a vocal technique!

    • LCB Senior Living, LLC
      LCB Senior Living, LLC 2 months ago

      @Sebastian Mitchell gotcha

    • David Doch
      David Doch 2 months ago

      exactly, sit down, be quiet and let's see what the new kids can do with this crap..

    • Nicholas Hylton
      Nicholas Hylton 2 months ago

      @Greg Conquest - gc Yes, but professional chess players - and even the chess artificiato - all agree not to use computer programs to keep things fair.

    • Sebastian Mitchell
      Sebastian Mitchell 2 months ago

      @LCB Senior Living, LLC yes I know but I wasn't talking about stage performance. I meant recorded videos with cell phone

    • István Etiam
      István Etiam 2 months ago

      Great observation! And I suppose in 25 years a young singer will imitate a song written by AI ...

  • John Bejarano
    John Bejarano Month ago

    Honestly, the fact that it's so popular indicates revealed preference by the listening public. It may be just what a lot of people want to hear. But, individual tastes will always remain, which likely means that there will always be an audience for music that eschews some or all of these technologies.

  • jeff reiland
    jeff reiland 2 months ago +1

    The only redeeming thing I see is the young music Clip-Share reactors being able to see live performances from back in the day before auto tune. Particularly the ones in smaller venues. Many of them are aware of and mention the fact there's no auto tune. Is it gonna change anything. Nope. It's just sad that they will never get to see these kinds of performances as I did. They've missed something, .... and a few of them seem to know it.

  • SurfersOfManly
    SurfersOfManly 2 months ago +1

    You know where there is no auto tune-- a regular live performance
    I hope..

  • Craig Standridge
    Craig Standridge Month ago +1

    The question of who gets writer credits for AI generated songs is critical. Additionally, ChatGPT and other AI systems will impact the academic world more than people realize. Ever watch the movie Idiocracy? The world is on its way.

  • Stevan Gajic
    Stevan Gajic Month ago

    I thinknyou are so right on this. Simple fact is people dont care where music comes from. I had fun other day reading comments on FB about Rihanna getting cought lip syncing and noone cared at all...as a matter of fact they even went after ppl who said anything negative about it

  • Geoff Allan
    Geoff Allan 2 months ago +18

    As I've been saying for years, "Perfection is the death of music".
    It's not the perfections that make a song great, it's the imperfections.

    • Charles Branch
      Charles Branch 2 months ago +1

      It has also been said, "Perfection is the enemy of good." At Cirrus Aircraft, manufacturing in Duluth, MN, they're all aware that the last 10% of building the product takes 90% of the time and effort, and the product will never be perfect.
      The few flaws that may be noticed later can be corrected by fresh eyes and hands as the owner uses it.
      There is a reason that vinyl albums and turntables are still being sold and appreciated...

  • Great White Snark
    Great White Snark 16 days ago

    As a professional software developer dabbling in computer-generated music as a hobby (mainly tracking samples), AI is definitely something that concerns me. However, all my tracks are instrumental because I'm no singer and I don't play instruments (yet). "Who gets paid for it?" is a pertinent question for me, too. If I write an AI that's better at writing (and debugging) code than I am, do I still get paid for the code it produces? If yes, then I am going to learn how to do that with as much as I can bring to bear. The thing is that I don't know for certainty that the answer is "yes". I also don't know that I'm not going to unleash Frankenstein's monster ala Faceborg and Scroogle.

  • pequalsa
    pequalsa Month ago +3

    Guessing one of your other viewers already mentioned "Fragements of Life" by Roy Vedes in 1998. First I heard the effect, but to me it was an effect obviously meant to be an effect processor like a Vocoder. I caught it on cassette from the Rock Over London show, listened to it a ton. Then a year or 2 later heard the Cher song and thought crazy, went from 2 indie guys making an odd song to the mainstream. Then yeah in the next 5 years so many just using it for standard lazy vocal takes. But, even some of my old time favorites like The Church have used it sparingly for effect, like their 2003 song "Reversal".

  • Lewis
    Lewis 2 months ago +1

    I couldn't believe that Billy Eilish interview - and how they were talking about it with such natural expectation. Like, "Yeah. Of course. See, we build a song out of the best _individual syllables_ from hundreds of takes. Cool, right?...."

    • Lewis
      Lewis 2 months ago

      @Daniel Who said it was a, "hack"?...As a matter of fact, what does that even mean?
      Of course it's a choice - the point is that it's a choice that favors a totally artificial idealism, as opposed to natural representation.
      I just happen to think, that choice, at that extreme, is just as creatively questionable as slapping autotune over everything - and my opinion in that doesn't require your approval?

    • Daniel
      Daniel 2 months ago

      There exists a perspective that because a song is immortal, it deserves to have the best takes possible. The best take being in this case, a comp of all the best syllables of all the takes. Its a choice, not a hack.

  • Darrin Stohlberg
    Darrin Stohlberg 2 months ago +2

    I am sad b/c Alice n chains and nirvanas unplugged albums seem to be a dying art….however, I am overjoyed that I was able to hear, experience, and live through true artistry! I have taught my 8 and 9 year old girls how to play a vinyl record….gives me hope every time we listen to artist! You rock RB

    • Marq Jaqobs
      Marq Jaqobs Month ago

      I live both Nirvana and Alice in Chains. And my favorite stuff from them was their unplugged work. When I saw Zeppelin in 68, Whit Summer, Jimmy Page's masterpiece was so popular with the audience, he played it a second time in that gig.

  • schematica
    schematica 2 months ago

    I have deep concerns about all this. AI will keep getting better and you will be hard pressed to do better. The very nature of how it works is that it KEEPS LEARNING and will get better and better. This is exciting but terrifying at the same time. Like Neural Link. It means no matter how talented you are or how much you practice, it will be harder to make a living doing art without compromising.

    • Joe Shmoe
      Joe Shmoe 2 months ago

      Ai, the beginning of the end of us.....

  • David Hoxit
    David Hoxit 2 months ago +123

    Oh the joy of walking into a small venue, hearing a local band playing their hearts out, buying the band a drink and enjoying the live show will never go out of style....never!

    • Dark Side of Synth
      Dark Side of Synth 2 months ago

      @Shayne O'Neill Glad to see someone who gets the sad truth of a reality check

    • Dark Side of Synth
      Dark Side of Synth 2 months ago

      A little piece of advice: never say never. Finding bands playing their own stuff is already going out of style, as are small bars. I know it's hard to do but don't apply YOUR standards to other people. It all depends on what the young generations (not us!) are used to, like, and want. You and I have only a little say in it, and we have it now, not in 40 or 50 years, for obvious reasons.
      For a series of reasons, it's becoming harder and harder for bar, pubs, etc. to hold gigs. Most of those gigs are by cover or tribute bands, because they attract more people, which means more money for the owner, who will ask the band: how many people can you bring? How many teens do you see at such events? Hardly any, and not 'cause they can't drink, they can order a soda or something, and they find ways to drink anyway. Do you seriously think kids who are now 8 or 10 now will die to enjoy something they have no idea about nor care in 10 years from now? And in the meantime, lots of other things in society and the economy will have happened, which are more important than prompting an AI to write a song, and will determine how we actually live.
      I'm all for bands, of any kind, I'm even in one, but dreams and reality are two different things.
      Progress (and this is not progress, only technological advancement) is not inevitable, it's not gravity but it takes a very large critical conscious mass to determine its course - and we're not there yet, not even close.

    • CosmicGaming81
      CosmicGaming81 2 months ago

      An apartment I rented in my late 20s had a small venue for bands that was basically right by tne entrance to the apartment complex and I used to walk down and see bands and drink a few beers all the time. It was the best. Would hang with a couple local bands after their shows and saw a few bigger bands there, Halestorm and Pop Evil to name a couple.

    • Rob Griffin
      Rob Griffin 2 months ago +1

      Honestly, I love seeing bands I like, but really dislike having bands play cover songs loudly when I'm trying to eat a burger and chat with friends. Hopefully AI will help me out.

    • shamitoson
      shamitoson 2 months ago +2

      @SoftserveSodium that’s kinda always been the case though, too many musicians try to sound like Hendrix for example and don’t create something new. Like 95% of players are copy cats. If it’s gonna happen anyway with AI, and it is going to. F’it I want to hear what the bleeding edge would be. Progressive AI.

  • Feemer
    Feemer Month ago

    People ask me why I don't like certain songs and I usually say it's overproduced. They ask what I mean..I say it's to perfect. Nothing to give the song character.

  • Giancarlo Pitossi
    Giancarlo Pitossi 2 months ago +1

    Writing songs, poems or whatever has to do with arts is something that belongs to emotions. AI can learn techniques, can even bring together human experiences and deliver an artifact that could almost reach technical perfection. What AI cannot do is put emotions in its productions. Emotions are the essential part of human being. Nobody will never see a computer teardrop or a smile.

  • Monis Prabu
    Monis Prabu 2 months ago +1

    I grew up with songs which had minor auto tune and tbh now I can't even hear the autotuning of the maroon 5, despacito samples u played.
    when ppl grow up with the autotune they don't recognise autotune that's why the youngsters love modern rap and pop music I believe the scientific term is called as learned associations where the brain associates patterns of music with emotions which determines the likeness of the music and develops the taste of music

  • David Brown
    David Brown Month ago

    In response to your comments on ChatGPT. I read that this program recently passed the bar exam in one of the US states. That doesn’t surprise me. As far as composing music, I think there is a long way to go. Remember, AI uses algorithms which in the simplest form are just like recipes. It needs quality ingredients to make good music. It cannot replicates these ingredients by itself. No worries, Rick, your job is safe.

    • PhoenixRising
      PhoenixRising Month ago

      I would like it to write me a Braham's like piece. I guess like in 20 years maybe. 🤣🤣🤣

  • Ramblin' Rogers
    Ramblin' Rogers 2 months ago +23

    What struck me when I tried auto-tune for the first time, was that it's almost scarily easy to use. When I was working on my first release a few months ago, I was debating whether or not I should apply some slight pitch correction here and there. But I simply could not bring myself to do it - it felt like such a personal "defeat". Now, I guess the smart move would be to indeed use auto-tune, seeing as the listeners are used to hearing 100% pitch perfect vocals by now. I ended up not touching a note. Because I'm not perfect.

    • Andrew Whitehouse
      Andrew Whitehouse 2 months ago +3

      I totally understand the "people are used to hearing it" thought.. I did the same as you and don't auto-tune my stuff.. I think you did the right thing, at the end of the day what makes you different and unique is the imperfections.

    • Luna Gabriela Diaz Paleo
      Luna Gabriela Diaz Paleo 2 months ago +2

      I think perfection is overrated, I like hearing humans

    • Joe Shmoe
      Joe Shmoe 2 months ago +2

      My goal is always to work to sing better, never to use auto tune to 'fix' it. I either work to improve or learn to live with my limitations.
      I have been complimented and re-booked, so it can't be all bad, even though I am my own worst critic, and can hear every microscopic imperfection. Some days is bugs me more than others.

    • Brandon Ruch
      Brandon Ruch 2 months ago +3

      And you’re not supposed to be! That’s what makes you human! I applaud and appreciate your decision, and more of this is what we need if we have any hope of keeping music human ❤️

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  • otherelbow
    otherelbow 2 months ago +299

    I followed your channel for years but never commented. This went beyond how auto-tune is destroying music. It's about how we're losing what makes us human, whether it be music, driving, writing...whatever. We can't lose one of the most human forms of expression. Whoever reads this, don't let music lose its feeling.

    • Evie Blue
      Evie Blue 18 hours ago

      The only answer is Learn To Play An Instrument. Or sing or whatever. Doesn’t matter if it’s a harmonica or a church organ. Just learn how, and do it for fun, and the AI doesn’t win.

    • HeavyMetal 2000
      HeavyMetal 2000 Month ago

      The sad thing about AI is that we were always told humans creativity could never be replaced and now it cannot...truly...be but there is enough there where 90% of music/movies/art/books could be AI generated and average assholes won't care just give me the Tom Clancy book, Beatles song, sequel to Predator lol leaves only 10% of jobs remaining for actual humans and 9% of those will just be copied by AI leaving a Top 1% of creatives beyond that just don't bother we don't need 99% of creative people anymore.

    • Joe Shmoe
      Joe Shmoe 2 months ago

      @Rafael Alejandro Muñoz Guzmán I love driving, and will never surrender to Ai for anything.....

    • CityOfLights
      CityOfLights 2 months ago

      “I can’t fight this feeling anymore”…ah the human poetry of REO soeedwagon…how we will miss such authentic, organic, real, human music !

    • Michael Moore
      Michael Moore 2 months ago

      @Larry Selkirk Yep. You got it.

    DELRELES Month ago

    There will be coexistence between both worlds. To what extent, I cannot foresee.
    Ultimately, people who can sing, play an instrument, have knowledge of music theory, production, sound engineering, etc., shall always mark differences with those with no musical knowledge, specially on a live setting and with certain types of music where actual playing is a non negotiable must.
    As always, Rick Beato keeps releasing AAA grade content. Thank you very much indeed.

  • Mesch / Мещ
    Mesch / Мещ Month ago

    Good live singing will always be valued by people who want you to sing for them unplugged. Thus, you need to train anyway to impress real people

  • DavidRomeRecording
    DavidRomeRecording 2 months ago

    Bring back the 70's and 80's when you had to be a musician and actually had to play the music.

  • Monday Rose
    Monday Rose 2 months ago +1

    The first time a mike or an amp was used it altered natural sound. It's the evolution of electronic music to what it is today. You can't stop it. I use to make background singers and lead vocalists do take after take because of pitch until they had polyps for god sake. No more. I absolutely love Cubase's "Vari-audio" and swear by it. No more punching in one little flat note in the middle of a superb vocal and spoiling the singer's energy. There's a lot to love about the latest technology when recording these days. AI will never replace live music BTW.

    • Monday Rose
      Monday Rose 2 months ago

      @Joe Shmoe You mean "If I were you?" Maybe you should go back to school, and take your caustic attitude with you.

    • Joe Shmoe
      Joe Shmoe 2 months ago

      maybe you should have suggested some quality vocal coaching....if every singer you worked with needed take after take after take.....I would be looking in the mirror, if I was you......

  • Lightfire Creative
    Lightfire Creative 2 months ago

    Wow, I didn't even think Maroon 5's song was auto-tuned. It sounds quite natural.

  • Chris Kelly
    Chris Kelly 2 months ago +119

    Rick - please keep harping on about whatever you feel the need to harp on about. Always educating, interesting, and passionate. Keep playing and talking to us - love you.

    • I'll Be True-Official
      I'll Be True-Official 2 months ago +4

      Agreed but you missed the chance to say:
      "Rick - please keep auto-harping on about this!!!"

  • Mike1614
    Mike1614 Month ago

    you can't stop what's coming. and there will always be live performances. even if it's only in the shower

  • Super
    Super 2 months ago

    I got ChatGPT to write some lyrics based on The Weakerthans (absolute master of lyrics writing if anyone is curious). They were never mainstream so I was surprised when it did a really good job of writing lyrics in the same style, using many of the same references.

  • David Lopez
    David Lopez 2 months ago

    It's here!! you won't be able to stop it. Just like Napster killed record stores. This just might kill all royalty and writing credibility. Live concerts and live musicians is the way to go now.