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    Initially used as a term to empower awareness of systemic inequalities in society, wokeism is now a deeply divisive term. The media's perpetuation of woke culture has made this term a buzzword. For some, being woke is part of the antidote of acknowledging the instruments of oppression. For others, it is a dangerously absolutist ideology, a sort of reverse McCarthyism, corroding liberal society and encouraging self-imposed victimhood. Is the 'war on woke' a legitimate phenomenon, or a reactionary distraction from the real problems being 'woke' addresses?
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  • Storm0763
    Storm0763 4 months ago +953

    You don't have to be an Oxford graduate to know this madness has gone way way to far

    • Richard Du Plessis
      Richard Du Plessis 4 months ago +33

      Most of the Oxford undergraduates (and possibly graduates), are well on board with the woke BS

    • Richard Du Plessis
      Richard Du Plessis 4 months ago +11

      @Robert Cottam I was educated at UCL long before the emergence of 'wokism', when degrees were worth a lot more than they are today. Your one sentence second paragraph states: "Ignorance has few benefits except to the purveyors of the tabloid newspapers which exploit it", impliedly suggesting that the 'woke' agenda is some form of enlightenment. My original comment was based on the supposition that these students reflect the bias of the institution within which they're being educated (brainwashed).

    • Robert Cottam
      Robert Cottam 4 months ago +2

      @Richard Du Plessis
      I agree with you that degrees have declined in value as the number of universities - many of them nothing of the kind - has increased. But, nevertheless, the élite institutions, such as UCL, remain so.
      The principles which underlie so-called 'wokeism' and 'identity politics' precede both both you and me - unless you're very old. 'Phenomenology', for instance, entered the schools of both Philosophy and Mathematics in the late '60s /early '70s.
      Unfortunately, the activities of a few hotheads who simply or deliberately misunderstand the noble aims of inclusion and social equality have brought discredit with them. But the concept of 'uniqueness'; a cohort of one, remains. And it's been there for a long time in the writings of Camus, Sartre, Hugo, Byron... No one describes them as 'deviant' anymore - although they were all thought so, once.
      Similarly, the suffragettes were once thought as dangerous, deranged or both. Only the boneheaded would think that now. In time, radical ideas often become mainstream.
      More broadly, I don't have any problem with folk 'identfying' in any way they see fit. It's not my business. Neither do I have a problem in accepting that the lives of those possessing more melanin in their skin matter just as much as mine. What, then, is actually wrong with the ideas of 'woke' folk - apart from the shenanigans of relatively few dingbats?
      The second paragraph of my first response, although short is discrete.
      Best wishes.

    • informant09
      informant09 4 months ago +8

      Most of them are part of the problem so let them argue with themselves.

  • MougeSyco
    MougeSyco 4 months ago +359

    Im so very happy to have come across these clips. So good to see intelligent people pushing back on the destructive woke movement.

    • Eli Driscoll
      Eli Driscoll 4 months ago +1

      What did they destroy

    • Heber Moloney
      Heber Moloney 4 months ago +10

      Nice to see that intelligent people still exist

    • Eli Driscoll
      Eli Driscoll 4 months ago +1

      @Smell The Coffee tell me about ONE person who had their career destroyed

  • Justin H
    Justin H 4 months ago +86

    Well said. We need things like this that can be shared to people who still have any moral integrity, but aren’t sure how to properly exercise that ability

    • Adejoke Loye
      Adejoke Loye 3 months ago

      You mean people who have not been perverted.

  • Abby Watt
    Abby Watt 4 months ago +55

    Well said Toby, common sense at its best. Great points, excellent perspective.

  • JoshuaAM
    JoshuaAM 4 months ago +23

    As a recovering woke individual, it is beyond a breath of fresh air to hear such debates now at the center of stage. I for one support the ideals of the “woke” movement, but have lost faith in the tactics and lack of a concise and clear platform that doesn’t involve canceling or berating people into submission. It is indeed a form of fascism, where the left circle back on themselves.

    • Solo Vitality
      Solo Vitality 4 months ago

      By identifying yourself as a 'recovering woke individual' you're not quite recovered yet but I certainly applaud your awareness.

    • JoshuaAM
      JoshuaAM 2 months ago +1

      @Solo Vitality not all “woke” is bad, there are many admirable goals of such ideology. Unfortunately progressive culture has been hijack by extremists which are never good. I was never an extremist as well not all conservative culture is positive, it has its fair share of extremists. To me woke culture is any one who try’s to tell others how to live on both sides of the spectrum.

    • Dildo Insaney
      Dildo Insaney 2 months ago +1

      @JoshuaAM We need to get rid of this awful word “Woke”. The associations now are putrid. Let’s just go back to the word we used for centuries: compassionate.

  • Sandra Miller
    Sandra Miller 3 months ago +57

    Brilliant, articulate and inspirational! Thank you Toby Young!

  • Thunderbolt Wisdom
    Thunderbolt Wisdom 4 months ago +1297

    Good speech. I hope we are at a turning point now where the woke backlash and cancel culture will gradually be faded out. Only time will tell, but I hope that soon we are looking back on this terrible episode through the rear-view mirror.

    • Brian Wagner
      Brian Wagner 4 months ago +69

      A lot of damage has already been done, let's get back on track as a society.

    • stleonards1066
      stleonards1066 4 months ago +43

      Seems unlikely as its taught as fact throughout the schooling process in the UK

    • Wordscapes
      Wordscapes  4 months ago +22

      "Won't SOMEBODY please think of the CHILDREN!" Every generation has a coronary about people who appear to be shattering their little world of Old Normal. Live a little longer, and you will see it. We had the anti slavery crowd whom everyone labelled as insane, then we had the suffragettes, then the swingers, then the ducktails, the hippies.....We just give the same thing new names. And always people talk of the horrors of change and "those weird people destroying our traditions and beliefs." Young pups. You all make me laugh heartily.

    • Caffynated
      Caffynated 4 months ago +8

      It could have been good, but his ending killed it. He's fine with endorsing all of their degeneracy as long as they just stop being mean about it.

  • Kurt Cobain
    Kurt Cobain 4 months ago +170

    Well said. Makes me sad how today patriotism in the UK is considered a negative thing by so many people. I'm proud of my country and what's its achieved! 🇬🇧

    • Matto niy
      Matto niy 4 months ago +9

      Many still are mate. Just not on socials

    • freakybeaky1
      freakybeaky1 4 months ago +1

      That means English patriotism/ pride from what I see on and in media. There is a real ignorance to what that really is. See John Cleese, ‘It’s Coming Home’ , general knowledge of any Ulster Scots history.
      ‘Patriots’ in Scotland, eg groups of Rangers FC supporters talk Scotland down. It’s more complex than a Toby thinks.

    • Neil Lin
      Neil Lin 4 months ago +5

      Same here in the US.

    • ThoughtsFromnh
      ThoughtsFromnh 4 months ago +9

      As a history buff, the England in 1940-1945 wouldn't recognize this England today.

    • T M
      T M 4 months ago

      Most are.

  • chris.f Your man
    chris.f Your man 4 months ago +161

    this and Konstantin's speeches are why no-platforming became so popular. Good to see debate taking place. Hope this spreads to other places.

    • Jesus Fried Christ
      Jesus Fried Christ 4 months ago +3

      Uhhhhh did you not also watch James Lindsay’s speech???? It’s the best one of all. He destroys woke culture WHILST BEING ON THEIR SIDE OF THE DEBATE.

  • William Lee
    William Lee Month ago +5

    That was an absolute tour de force, Toby. A brilliant and articulate exposition of the flawed approach embraced by the Woke cult. Thank you.

  • Jackie O
    Jackie O 3 months ago +58

    Listening to this man is like a breath of fresh air. I hope these people are taking all this in.

    • David Siegfried Klinger
      David Siegfried Klinger 2 months ago +1

      Yawn 🥱

    • spotable2
      spotable2 9 days ago

      As long as woke means being a descent human being and having empathy...(WHICH IT DOES) and also not being part of Tory"isum"...or believing msm bull crap (WHICH IT DOES)...then I am extremely pleased to be "woke".

    • Gerald Butler
      Gerald Butler 9 days ago

      @spotable2 If you are the opposite of a Daily Mail reader, then you are woke and a decent human being.

  • Ian Board
    Ian Board 4 months ago +43

    I wish we had something like this here in the US. Good speeches and a free exchange of ideas.

  • Ayn Randish
    Ayn Randish 4 months ago +558

    This guy was very good with the debate topic. His description of woke culture makes me think we need a new debate on what the solution will be to steer humanity back on track to solve the mass mental illness now afflicting most of the western world.

    • IC45
      IC45 4 months ago +19

      The answer is to go back to our roots - true biblical Christianity. However, everyone knows that will never happen - its morals and teachings "are too problematic" for modern ideas of "morality" and acceptable lifestyles, and it makes people far too uncomfortable about confronting their sins.

    • MV
      MV 4 months ago +25

      For me it's clear that the promoted use of social media in our society (Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Tiktok) as a 'normal' thing to do every day has messed up a lot of people's mental wellness, without people even realising. Social media can foment addiction (the constant scrolling and stimulation), it promotes polarisation of views, also promotes constant comparison with others and oversharing / lack of boundaries. I have to say my life really changed when I stopped listening to 'the crowd' and stopped using Facebook, Instagram as I felt it was making me compare myself and waste my time focusing on superficial things instead of exploring and developing my own potential which is much more exciting and wholesome!

    • Ready to get whipped cuhnt?
      Ready to get whipped cuhnt? 4 months ago

      @MV Agreed, but what is to be done about it? (genuine question)

  • Meadmaker 452
    Meadmaker 452 4 months ago +19

    Really interesting speech. Here in the U.S., where the woke "mob" seems particularly prevalent, it's worth mentioning that most people you meet on the street wouldn't be able to tell you what woke actually means, rather just express their distaste for it and their association of it with "the left" or "liberalism." The points in this speech were all really pretty good, but one of the biggest takeaways for me is the categorization and identification of woke itself, and explaining why it's so harmful despite the underlying intent. That's no small thing, because the scope of hate and blame-mongering within woke is fairly vast at this point.
    Educators and students censoring themselves should be a warning bell, but I think most are ignoring it, which is possibly the absolute worst thing we could do. Ignoring the situation enables those who identify as woke to go further, to do more to harm, censor and cancel those who would dare speak against them. And as correctly mentioned in this speech, if one dares to attempt to engage with a woke individual in some sort of intelligent discourse about the topic, the effort will typically be met with vitriol and name calling, essentially a tantrum where screaming obscenities will surely make the logical person just walk away and thus allowing the woke individual to "win."
    Which begs the question: If there's no real logical argument fueling woke, but rather some sort of quest for victim-hood, why are we allowing it to run rampant and cause so much harm?

  • Matthew Moggridge
    Matthew Moggridge 2 months ago +2

    Excellent speech by Toby Young, a man I have a lot of respect for as he has put forward a reasoned and outspoken point of view, as he always does. I would, incidentally, highly recommend Toby's book, published some time ago now, entitled How to Lose Friends and Alienate People, about his time on Vanity Fair magazine.

  • Andres Astudillo
    Andres Astudillo 4 months ago +26

    Amazing. I really recommend this book "The Rise of Victimhood Culture: Microaggressions, Safe Spaces, and the New Culture Wars" by Bradley Campbell. It totally explains what the hell is going on at campuses.

  • Patricia Sanderson
    Patricia Sanderson 4 months ago +27

    The problem I have with “wokeness” is that more often than not it is not based on facts, is inaccurate and seems to be a bunch of angry activists who just follow whatever movement is the latest flavour but ignore even more pressing topics in society.

  • John Harvey
    John Harvey 3 months ago +3

    At last someone who is speaking sensibly. I hope he does not get cancelled. He's quite right that " woke culture " is an oxymoron.

  • Robby Jones
    Robby Jones 4 months ago +283

    The statement that we do not disagree with what woke culture are trying to achieve but its methodology is a major reason that many rebel against this theology.
    The other point he brings out well is how those who stand for social justice seem stuck on the idea that their own said country is uniquely "racist" without asking about the wider world and ignoring the history victories we have had and why and how they came about.

  • Cyrus Persia
    Cyrus Persia 4 months ago +17

    Thank you Mr. Young for your clarity, courage, and congruence. I was born in Iran, you raised the issue of the brave Iranian women who are selflessly fighting the hordes of ignorance and darkness.

  • MaryPoppins01
    MaryPoppins01 4 months ago +34

    Wow Toby Young you put the point across in such an intelligent, elegant way , that is exactly how the majority of the British public feel, we don't want to NOT have a discussion on the topics of race,gender, but will not tolerate the intolerance of the mob that refuses to hear both sides of the debate.
    We as a country regardless of race, gender, beliefs would love nothing more than to resolve the injustices that our fellow citizens are going through or have been through, but NOT at the cost of further hate,discrimination, racism or ignorance, that will NEVER change anything.

  • wetlazer
    wetlazer 4 months ago +38

    Mr. Young was brilliant. Strong arguments, polite, courteous, professional and blunt with his questioners. A damn perfect job.

    • Wet Lazer
      Wet Lazer 3 months ago

      @Partida Portet I will look into your claim. My guess is, in much the same way that folks intentionally misquote Jordan Peterson about so-called enforced monogamy, you are probably intentionally misquoting something this fellow said. With enforced monogamy, we know Peterson meant peer pressure, essentially. Let's say friends and family members saying to a married son, daughter or friend "Hey, if you have sex outside of your marriage it will hurt your partner's feelings and probably ruin your marriage. It will also hurt your children." - - That was what Peterson meant, I don't know what this man said, or what he meant, but I would bet dollars to donuts it's that same kind of intentional misquote, based on disingenuous virtue signaling.

  • brian searle
    brian searle 4 months ago +35

    If only the true men of dday and beyond could see what is happening to our great country, If it wasn't for great Britain the world would be a very different place. Thank fk for Toby young & co , Keep up the good work men . 🇬🇧

  • Keith Williams
    Keith Williams 4 months ago +2

    I have a growing respect and admiration for this man.

  • Andrew Spencer
    Andrew Spencer 4 months ago +267

    Spot on. Insulting people does not persuade them that you are right.

    • Courtney Haynes
      Courtney Haynes 4 months ago +6

      You say this as he insults an entire movement. The usual response to this is "Oh you're jus too triggered to understand when people are telling you facts". But again, maybe Toby Young and you are getting triggered over them telling YOU facts that you happen to take as insults.

    • Smell The Coffee
      Smell The Coffee 4 months ago +60

      @Courtney Haynes The movement deserves insults.
      It claims the moral high ground on kindness and fairness yet in action is divisive, deceitful, completely dishonest and hateful.

    • Mohit Kumar
      Mohit Kumar 4 months ago +34

      @Courtney Haynes this movement is nothing more than a collection of people who have too much time on their and want to feel special because they don't have much resistance in their life.

    • Martyn James
      Martyn James 4 months ago +5

      I'd argue it solidifies that person's stance rather that opening their mind to a differing opinion. That's something extremely difficult to do even if one is respectful, insulting someone out of hand for a differing opinion will only drive them into a radicalised perspective. That's my experience at least.

  • Gayle Simons
    Gayle Simons 2 months ago

    Praise God for this Man of God for standing up for the truth of the Gospel in such a time as this and in a extremely articulate debate. Our whole Christian society needs more men and women to speak the truth of God’s word. I have a dear son in a homosexual relationship. My husband and I would never tell him that this is God’s intention for his life.

  • Justlookinnotbuyin
    Justlookinnotbuyin 4 months ago +59

    This man will definitely be on the right side of history.

    • Quinn Fletcher
      Quinn Fletcher 3 months ago +2

      But as always it won't be realized until much later.

    • Terry Robertson
      Terry Robertson 3 months ago

      Yes, Right Wing history

    • cheekyboy5000
      cheekyboy5000 2 months ago +3

      He failed his high school and only got into Oxford, the most prestigious university in the UK, because his rich dad called the college. Lovely fella.

  • IO IO
    IO IO 4 months ago +2

    It gives hope to see there are still reasonable people out there.

  • Michael Carter
    Michael Carter Month ago +1

    As an American, I'm glad to see that we are not alone in our struggles.

  • Jo Meg (Jomeg)
    Jo Meg (Jomeg) 3 months ago

    Great to hear common sense thank you Toby for being our voice and taking the Woke to book because it is SO BIASED.

  • Alkis Mavridis
    Alkis Mavridis 4 months ago +362

    I have never seen a more thought and language policing, authoritarian group of people than the trans activists.
    They have gone far beyond the "live and let live" line and thus, lost my sympathy and support. Making enemies from people that could be your allies seems like a very bad strategy. They deserve every bit of the backlash they get.

    • claireika
      claireika 4 months ago +22

      Well said. They have made life very difficult for their truly gender dysphoric brothers and sisters.

    • tancho103
      tancho103 4 months ago +24

      I agree. And I'm guessing it could be something to do with the fact that a good portion of people in this movement are twisted men who want to legally get into women's changing rooms and toilets for purely deviant sexual gratification reasons - and that is a very strong driving force.

    • Silas Wild
      Silas Wild 4 months ago +7

      @tancho103 And what about twisted women who want to get into mens changing rooms?

    • Mr Boost
      Mr Boost 4 months ago +24

      @Silas Wild A mythical creature most men wish existed

  • Frankin
    Frankin 2 months ago +1

    As an American this was Amazing to hear! ⭐️🌎

  • The Empathic Armed Infidel
    The Empathic Armed Infidel 4 months ago +16

    As a conservative living in America I can assure you we feel the exact same way about wokeness as this gentleman does. Wokeness conducts itself with the same racial bigotry that they claim to oppose in all it's forms. Next time an American academic preaches to you about inclusivity ask them how many conservatives are in their sociology department. Hypocrisy abounds.

  • AnGila
    AnGila 4 months ago +4

    I think it's a great deal worse than hes saying it is. Not only does the whole woke approach to things not convert anyone to their side, It creates genuine resentment that turns people the other way. People who have to self censor resent it. Having a bunch of rich kids tell a bunch of working class adults that they are a laundry list of evil's creates resentment. Rather than getting people to not care one way or another if someone's trans, they're creating active animosity.

  • Mark Kerr
    Mark Kerr 4 months ago +1

    Always massive respect to JRM, the man never takes any expenses

  • cer velo
    cer velo 4 months ago +5

    Toby Young has a lot of credibility and intelligence.

  • Spangler
    Spangler 4 months ago +426

    When I first heard the term woke around 2 years ago ( I may have been slow to catch on )
    Initially I had to ask quite a few friends and colleagues what it meant & at first I had to question am I woke ?
    But now strangely I feel that I have been pushed further and further to the right . This has clarified that all along I was ( 2 years ago ) fairly balanced in my social and political outlook but mainly in defence of all I hold dear I am on the right and as a consequence far less tolerant
    Let us hope that this woke nonsense dissipates so we can all get a firm grounding in common sense and reason once again ❤

    • SalemikTUBE
      SalemikTUBE 4 months ago +45

      That's exactly how I feel. I've always tried to be reasonable and fair but what is going on is driving me hard to the right.

    • Koba Raika
      Koba Raika 4 months ago +32

      Im considered a centrist myself years ago but now the woke make me a right leaner unconditionally

  • Susi Wakeman
    Susi Wakeman 4 months ago +10

    Always love the wisdom of Toby Young x thank you, much love and God bless from the UK xx

  • Paul Armstrong
    Paul Armstrong 4 months ago +1

    I do feel like the tide is turning, but I never really got the impression that this was meant to be a permenant or even long lived ideology. It's done it's job. It's revealed our weaknesses, how fickle our values and our utter cowardice as a nation.

  • Wayne Cassels
    Wayne Cassels 4 months ago +19

    Well done! Thank you for factual and rational truth.

  • Westfield Art Works 81
    Westfield Art Works 81 4 months ago +10

    This man nailed it....boy did he ever!!

  • damien devereux
    damien devereux 4 months ago +4

    Excellent Speech. True to his Word.

  • mogznwaz
    mogznwaz 4 months ago +68

    The Victorian era and the period of the British empire produced more technological scientific and social changes than any other in history. The flushing toilet, the Underground, corporate philanthropy, the Vote, the abolition of slavery, medicine, social mobility, museums, literature, public parks, and so much more. It wasn’t perfect for sure but it laid so many foundations for the things we take for granted today. The fact that so many young people are so utterly ignorant but also actively hostile towards Britain and western civilisation generally is a disgrace.

    • George J
      George J 4 months ago

      The vote? Are you suggesting that the British empire is responsible for voting? Or is it something more specific?

    • Uncle Grumpy
      Uncle Grumpy 4 months ago +1

      @George J Not just the vote according to them but museums, lierature and MEDICINE as well?! The fact they then go on to complain that the youth of today are ignorant of history is absolutely astounding! I can't tell if their post is serious or sarcasm.

    • a f
      a f 4 months ago +4

      @Uncle Grumpy your reading comprehension not so good. :( Very sad state of affairs. This person was clearly not saying ALL literature and medicine. My goodness!

    • Han Uman
      Han Uman 3 months ago

      Yay for pirate rock. Steal enough from around the world and you too can have nice things.

  • M4A NOW
    M4A NOW 4 months ago +2

    Nailed him right off the bat with calling out the misinformation Alex was spreading . If the woke side can't get the simple stuff right, they should give up their place in line for someone that has their facts straight.

  • Madame Lachaille
    Madame Lachaille 4 months ago +6

    Absolutely brilliant speech.

  • Miss Z
    Miss Z 10 days ago

    just awesome, i wish this will go viral and over TV so that everyone can hear the truth

  • J C
    J C 4 months ago +1

    Can you just imagine how this period will be discussed in the future? For the sake of all we hold dear, speak out against the oxymoron "woke culture " at every opportunity!

  • Nick Ravenscroft
    Nick Ravenscroft 4 months ago +5

    A sterling job Toby - you're a brave and honorable man.

  • Andrew
    Andrew 4 months ago +122

    Agree w Toby Young's speech 💯 per cent. Very well said.

    • Carl Cane
      Carl Cane 4 months ago +3

      Especially his praise of "the cistern chapel" 1:24

    • morbidbushido
      morbidbushido 4 months ago +2

      It almost doesnt seem fair when I listen to this debates, why do the Woke supporting side never send their best? Almost every debate Ive watched about the clash of these ideas the Woke side are quite cringe, lie, insult or debate a different topic entirely.
      Recently the Matt Taibi and Gladwell debate was painful to watch...and I respect them.

    • J S
      J S 4 months ago +2

      @morbidbushidoI think they do. The issue is their proposition is so inherently flawed.

    • Ondemas
      Ondemas 4 months ago

      @Carl Cane ah, the Cisterf chapel. Our greatest bastion.

    • Lil-G
      Lil-G 4 months ago

      @J S can you give examples of where their beliefs are flawed?

  • Mark Ells
    Mark Ells 4 months ago +9

    Class inequality should be the biggest issue in the UK but it's not because of the ruling class.

  • Tazmaniac 39
    Tazmaniac 39 4 months ago +3

    Are we really truly doomed to always repeat the past with bad decisions? 😔

  • Antonios Kokiantonis
    Antonios Kokiantonis 4 months ago +1

    That is the ideal way of communicating our issues! Great speech, agree or disagreeing, with his points, shouldn't make any difference!

  • Audra Mihalovits
    Audra Mihalovits 4 months ago +22

    I literally clapped and cheered. Share, share, share!

    • TrainInVain
      TrainInVain Month ago

      You literally clapped and cheered. Fucking bizarre lol.

  • Zac Owen
    Zac Owen 3 months ago

    This whole Woke mental health issue has to be ONE of the most potent psychological manipulations at present. Least people are at last pointing out this in a milder manner....

  • JK Scout
    JK Scout 4 months ago +186

    Wow, he really shut down those angry leftist students with his kind, compassionate words. He gave them a taste of their own "Be kind" medicine in action.

    • Robert Cottam
      Robert Cottam 4 months ago +8

      Did he?
      I witnessed only a series of non sequiturs, glibly delivered.
      He made no argument.

    • JoshuaAM
      JoshuaAM 4 months ago +21

      @Robert Cottam if you missed the argument I’d go back and rewatch it, as he had some spot in points, you actually proved those points with your very comment.

    • Robert Cottam
      Robert Cottam 4 months ago +3

      An interesting reply.
      No. I missed nothing except his cogency.
      I did note false-equivalence, superficial plausibility, weightlessness of intellect, absence of scholarship...
      In a word, 'specious'; essentially, 'wortless:; 'populist'.
      Best wishes.

    • keep arguing
      keep arguing 4 months ago +6

      @Robert Cottam the first student said Ireland is being colonized by British, and he said a lot of people in ireland want it to be part of British so it can't be case of colonialism
      2nd one said there were issues with the government that prevented it from providing trans care, but he said the government was willing to give it, but was afraid of doing it wrong or not good enough, which is enough to trigger the woke mob
      thats what i gleaned, are you saying all of this is "series of non sequiturs, glibly delivered." words?

  • Flowmasta Flam
    Flowmasta Flam 4 months ago +2

    the shame is that it takes years for regular folk to put their foot down. but the people ahead of the curve that were bold enough to stand up early got completely obliterated.

  • Gary Johnson
    Gary Johnson 4 months ago +2

    Big fan of Toby he always makes sense.

    • Matty Groves
      Matty Groves 4 months ago

      “My proposal is this: once this technology [genetically engineered intelligence] becomes available, why not offer it free of charge to parents on low incomes with below-average IQs? Provided there is sufficient take-up, it could help to address the problem of flat-lining inter-generational social mobility and serve as a counterweight to the tendency for the meritocratic elite to become a hereditary elite. It might make all the difference when it comes to the long-term sustainability of advanced meritocratic societies.”
      Toby Young [Eugenicist]

  • Steve Martin
    Steve Martin 3 months ago +1

    Well said,I wish more sensible debate was possible, woke doesn't help it separates and divides us even more, but maybe that's the real reason behind it, everyone to frightened to be honest, so so sad and where will it end?

  • dave hug
    dave hug 4 months ago +1

    Not without consequence, you really want to play that game we can. Violence begets violence if you can't meet people with words when they use words and think ruining their lives is an appropriate reaction then expect retaliation when people get pushed too far. They are damn lucky so many take the high road.

  • RJ Flores
    RJ Flores 4 months ago +5

    A few months ago, I spoke to a privately educated university student protesting about how women are oppressed in British society whilst I was walking through Manchester City Centre. She was young, probably about 20 years old, she was also extremely well spoken and what I would call a posh hipster. Dont get me wrong, I have adopted some hipster fashion myself, but I digress. Anyway, she started arguing with me about how herself as a women had a harder time and how she was oppressed by men in British society. But 2 things stuck out like a sore thumb for me with her as an individual, she went on to tell me she was from a private school in the shires down south and was studying History of Art at uni, she was also a very attractive women who probably wouldnt have dated me in a million years, despite the fact I am not a bad looking guy, I just happen to have grown up on an inner city council estate in Manchester, not far from Manchester University, and here was a woman at only 20 years old, that already had more status, cultural capital, economic capital and the ability to date pretty much any man in the City, and who most definitely had more access to what the city had to offer than a man, white, black or asian, that grew up in the council estates of Moss Side, Hulme, Ardwick and Gorton, which are within 2 miles of the University of Manchester, where many of these posh upper middle class women from private schools down south make their own. Are they sipping cappuccinos and eating avocado on toast with normal working class Mancunians, I dont think so! She was blind to the privilege she had over the vast majority of men, and other women for that matter.

      DANFORTHPAPE1 4 months ago +1

      I hope you told her all of what you've written down here. More to the point, did you point out to her how lives for women have changed over the past 100 years? 50 or 60 years ago women had virtually no independence, including financially. Now they've got so much they don't know they're born.

    • Trudy Harding
      Trudy Harding 3 months ago +1

      It's Greedyness that makes us al forget how privileged we are no matter what level of society we are in. There is always someone less fortunate than yourself! I am also guilty at times and to know your history and roots your I,me and myself gets to equal levels without victimhood & irritating everyone around u

  • Chris-4
    Chris-4 4 months ago +925

    When I mention WOKE culture or trans rights to my friends who don’t spend as much time as I do on Clip-Share, they laugh and say “what are you on about. It’s a “thing” only on social media. I remember Kier Starmer getting flustered having being asked “what is a woman”. He knows perfectly well what a woman is, he’s married to one but he couldn’t explain it in words for fear of “offending” the woke movement. How crazy is that?

    • Guy Willetts
      Guy Willetts 4 months ago +4

      OK, please define what a woman is. Don't just say "a female person". That's a synonym, not a definition.

    • Monkeyboysdontknow
      Monkeyboysdontknow 4 months ago +81

      @Guy Willetts A woman is an adult human being that was born with female genitalia, hermaphrodites excepted, as they are a special case.

    • Guy Willetts
      Guy Willetts 4 months ago +1

      @The werewolf of Norway so does that include Phillipa York (google her)?

  • Dicky T
    Dicky T 4 months ago +2


  • ShantiShanti1949
    ShantiShanti1949 2 months ago +1

    I am so delighted that this popped up in my feed... I have been trying to find the words to express what has happened in Australia and New Zealand this weekend...

  • James W
    James W 4 months ago +2

    Great speech Toby!

  • Elara Rose
    Elara Rose 4 months ago +1

    Really well said and encouraging thankyou

  • Jas Alb
    Jas Alb 4 months ago +4

    He's absolutely right. I was far more favorable to trans rights and other woke items years ago. Their sole reliance on violence, hate, and cancelling turns my stomach so much, I'm actively seeking to counter everything they believe in.

  • Brian Arps
    Brian Arps 4 months ago +391

    Political ideologies have no brakes. They always go too far.

    • Das KritterHaus
      Das KritterHaus 4 months ago +11

      its a function of a certain cadre type that follows thru history, a type ever watching for new ideologies providing the springboard for acquisition and wielding of power.

    • SvenTviking
      SvenTviking 4 months ago +3

      I’m keeping that! Superb!

    • Mohammad Awesat
      Mohammad Awesat 4 months ago +1

      @Das KritterHaus that's very well put.

    • jumpingjohnflash
      jumpingjohnflash 4 months ago +5

      Yes, the UK Tories and their 40 years of neo-liberalism along with their current Brexit obsession are proof of that. UK economic growth over the last few years has been abysmal.

  • Dean Greenhough
    Dean Greenhough 4 months ago +4

    Great Speech speaking the truth. I enjoyed it rather a lot

  • steve nunua
    steve nunua 4 months ago +2

    I have developed a whole new level of respect for the Brits and their parliaments. I love that statement freedom is not freedom from consequence, that should be added to our constitution,

  • Brocktoon
    Brocktoon 3 months ago +19

    "What has woke culture given us? Meghan Markle's podcast." 😂😂😂

  • daizee106
    daizee106 4 months ago +2

    It seems to me that most people are fed up with being shamed constantly for not stepping in line

  • JeffB
    JeffB 4 months ago +2

    I used to support the so-called oppressed but when they gain acceptance and equality they don't seem to appreciate it and decide to become the oppressors. They no longer have my support or sympathy, I loath those that took this attitude.

  • Major 7ths McGee
    Major 7ths McGee 4 months ago +51

    6:55 I think Toby gets to the root of the problem of wokeness and sjw 'culture' here. I see these people as people pursuing progressive ends, but not by progressive means and the latter is what I find objectionable. It's one thing to hold certain views, but how we engage with the rest of society is crucial, especially those we don't immediately see eye to eye with, which is where a lot of people fall short of making meaningful change.

    • Harry Ricochet
      Harry Ricochet 4 months ago +1

      That's a somewhat long-winded if not inaccurate definition of a hypocrite lol

    • D
      D 4 months ago +1

      @Harry Ricochet yes indeed.

  • Tony Conrad
    Tony Conrad 4 months ago

    What a brilliant speaker. I haven't hear anyone that can polically dissect truth like he can.

  • Orrin Chandler
    Orrin Chandler 4 months ago +3

    As an American, the reactions of Toby Young's descriptions of Northern Ireland's controversies was hilarious.

    • Mike Burke
      Mike Burke 2 months ago

      As a Northern Irishmen, he was spot on.

    • Niamh Hopkins
      Niamh Hopkins Month ago

      So there currently number more colonisers in the colonised territory than natives... a true point, but not one which refutes the assertation that Britain remains a colonising state.

    • Orrin Chandler
      Orrin Chandler Month ago

      @Niamh Hopkins Doesn't it support that claim? I forgot the context.

  • A G
    A G 2 months ago

    The woman that spoke up, while making an argument many agree with, also represents exactly what Toby is stating.

  • J
    J 4 months ago +5

    LOVE THIS! Thank you for posting!

  • Jo H
    Jo H 4 months ago

    Common sense and truth from Toby. Wokism is all about feelings, not facts, fantasy replaces reality and has led to a bunch of deranged followers who have and are still doing much harm to decent individuals who just happen to not go along with the Woke delusion.

  • Bobby UK
    Bobby UK 4 months ago +266

    The only person I can think of, who could have made this point so successfully is, Douglas Murray.

    • Shashank Shekhar Shukla
      Shashank Shekhar Shukla 4 months ago +24

      Would've been unfair to put Douglas against these kids!

    • Manusha
      Manusha 4 months ago +22

      And Christopher Hitchens

    • tagus100
      tagus100 4 months ago +21

      Douglas Murray and Andrew Doyle would've annihilated these college kids.

  • antonalbo
    antonalbo 4 months ago +3

    Bravo!!!! what an amazing speech...

  • LayersOf TheOnion
    LayersOf TheOnion 4 months ago +7

    Well done Toby!

  • SJF
    SJF 4 months ago

    It’s nice to hear sensible people talking. Woke is crazy.

  • dooks4life
    dooks4life 4 months ago +3

    when destroying a life and career is more valued than discussion you are not on the right side
    shaming insults and digital witch hunts will turn people against you and force them to step away so as not to be attacked the next time you want to be offended

  • Niels Svendsen
    Niels Svendsen 2 months ago

    Way to go! Finally an intelligent defense of common sense and the right to free speech😀

  • Bob G.
    Bob G. 4 months ago +164

    The woke way of doing things makes it impossible to take them seriously. We love little children, but we don't let them run the world.

    • Anthony Heaton
      Anthony Heaton 4 months ago +6

      There's Trudeau running Canada.

    • Debrah McCabe
      Debrah McCabe 4 months ago

      And what exactly do you mean by 'their way of doing things'? Is it possible that you could provide an example?

    • last tango
      last tango 4 months ago +12

      @Debrah McCabe Probably the inability to debate in a respectful manner. And in some cases the refusal to stop bullying people. Because esentially that is what cancel culture is. Bullying and destructive behaviour inflicted on another human. Which is reprehensible and disgusting.

    RUSSELLMANIA 4 months ago +2

    Very happy to have come across this, certainly made me think, I’ve left enlightened.

  • Hard to find Records
    Hard to find Records 3 months ago

    The fact that this is even debated in Oxford Union is unbelievable to me.

  • kallewirsch2263
    kallewirsch2263 4 months ago +3

    My father used to say: In whetever you do, there is a point where things only get worse.

  • Education is a Joke
    Education is a Joke 2 months ago

    Glad more people are standing up.

  • Dan
    Dan 2 months ago

    The Fiona Bruce Question Time debacle last week is a damning indictment of just how ridiculous this has become. During a discussion about Stanley Johnson, a panellist referred to him as a "wife beater". Fiona was made to read out a clarification of the circumstances of the incident for legal reasons. Not her own words, not her own views, and something she was made to read out for legal reasons. Yet, she was immediately accused of being an apologist for domestic violence, of trivialising and excusing it and, of course, being offensive to its victims.
    Despite these not even being her own words, she was publicly condemned, forced to make a public apology, and ended up having to step down as patron of the Refuge charity.
    Anyone who suggests we still have freedom of expression and freedom of speech in the UK in 2023 is simply not paying attention.

  • Leem
    Leem 4 months ago +46

    Couldn’t agree more. I’m liberal and have always voted left. However, this new brand of far-left “activism” seeks liberal ends by abandoning liberal means, but unfortunately we live in the means. We live in the tension, the figuring out, and it is within that environment that the principles of HOW we conduct ourselves define where we stand in the eyes of history.

    • Debrah McCabe
      Debrah McCabe 4 months ago +1

      What far left activism? You folks who discuss this seem to deal in generalities. Is this so that you can never be held to a statement you've made?

    • Bruce Wing
      Bruce Wing 4 months ago

      Your “liberal means” comment is very well said. As a libertarian-conservative, I sincerely ask you to ponder your point with respect to nationalized health care, gay marriage, etc. I support the ends, but not the means.

  • Eagle Co. 4-1
    Eagle Co. 4-1 4 months ago +1

    The schools have been outdated for too long. I’ve had teachers downgrade me for being white, and what’s crazy is that most of them were white as well. Trying to make kids feel guilty, and responsible for things that they barely understand. Bad actors take advantage of these types of issues, which leads to what we are seeing today. School should be teaching and enforcing accountability along with many other values. Public schools are useless, and create problems instead of preparing students for life . Terrorists are taking advantage of this, poisoning our youth, along with the media. I see now why other countries don’t allow certain things to happen. While mental warfare is encouraged. Now you can start to see why things were the way they were in history. Try to remember that this is evolution at the end of the day. It’s disgusting and scary but I believe something good is coming and we’ll start learning again instead of falling into sin.

  • Mr_B_HHC
    Mr_B_HHC 4 months ago +2

    I wish all sides would remember that the hijacked word "argument" does not mean shouting and throwing punches at each other. Reasoned discourse should be our aim, we have far more in common than that which separates us.

  • Lenny Weinrib
    Lenny Weinrib 4 months ago +1

    Excellent speech, what a talker!

  • vanessa scott
    vanessa scott 4 months ago +3

    Well done Toby.

  • Steven Wright
    Steven Wright 4 months ago +2

    Brilliant as usual from Toby

  • James Smith
    James Smith 4 months ago +148

    Real intelligence at work from Toby Young ! 👍

    • Terry Robertson
      Terry Robertson 3 months ago +1

      Were there two Toby Youngs speaking? I must have missed the intelligent one.

    • Bob
      Bob 3 months ago

      @Terry Robertson Try listening with an open mind

  • Andre Felix Studio
    Andre Felix Studio 4 months ago +7

    My issue with the WOKE is they haven’t moved on and the rest of us have, I mean the intelligent part of the community has moved on!

  • Carol Caprani
    Carol Caprani 3 months ago

    Well said. I agree with you and well done for saying it.

  • Mark Fennell
    Mark Fennell 4 months ago +3

    Power demands respect. Humility elicits sympathy.