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Too Many People are Going Outside

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  • Gorgonite
    Gorgonite 3 months ago +8703

    The problem is only certain state and National parks are promoted, many have virtually no attendance but have equally interesting features

    • QemeH
      QemeH 3 months ago +533

      It's always the hype. Whatever the mass currently likes is in short supply - you live a lot easier not following the trends. (Although it should be said that there is an increasing monetization of the intentional opposition of the trend - aka "Hipster" - as well, so this has supply issues as well.)

    • asdabir
      asdabir 3 months ago +84

      Can you give some examples

    • xirfan
      xirfan 3 months ago +228


    • Shane Denney
      Shane Denney 3 months ago +235

      @asdabir you can just look up all the national parks in the US And look at lowest attended ones

    • Nathan Plummer
      Nathan Plummer 3 months ago +12

      Which national park?

  • ZeeGeeJay
    ZeeGeeJay 15 days ago +151

    I live in Moab. I grew up here for the last 30 years. I now manage my family's hotel. I am impressed with how well you tackled all of the problems there are of being a local here, with the ever-growing number of tourists. They have become the necessary evil of anyone trying to live here. I get asked all the time "where do the locals go to eat, hike, hangout in town". The answer is locals do not have any places of their own. Everything has been discovered and shared with tourists, restaurants only cater to them and charge ridiculously high prices. Even our local grocery stores are so overcrowded that we have to push our ways to get our marked-up items and a trip to the grocery store takes 2 infuriating hours. Millcreek that you showed on a map used to be a watering hole that only the locals knew about. It was only within the last 10 years that we saw tourists going there as well. Now there is a line a mile long to share the trail and get to the water. It is true that without tourism there would be no Moab but Moab is now unlivable for most people that have been here for a long time or are just trying to move here and work.

    • Anthony Delfino
      Anthony Delfino 14 days ago +10

      I grew up in Utah so I can sympathize.
      I live in California now and one thing that comes to mind is that some major tourist destinations and area amenities around them charge less if you're a California resident. I don't know these days how many business owners exist in Moab, but it might be worth trying to bring up the idea of a cooperation that people who live in Moab get a discount at the local restaurants and grocers? Something like you can voluntarily show your ID at checkout and get a discount so that you aren't playing tourist rates for basic goods in your own town.
      It won't fix the other problems, of course, but maybe it can ease the price pains for the locals. Probably won't hurt that much either if most your sales are going to tourists.

    • Eddie AndTheHotrods
      Eddie AndTheHotrods 13 days ago +1

      Idk man there’s that bowling alley. I wandered in there one time I was in Moab and I loved it. Reminds me of my small bar in my town.

    • ZeeGeeJay
      ZeeGeeJay 10 days ago

      @Eddie AndTheHotrods I love The Alley. It might be the only true local and cheap joint... for now.

    • Byrd E
      Byrd E 10 days ago

      A hotel manager complaining of too many tourists?? 😄

    • bucketofcrows
      bucketofcrows 9 days ago +2

      That's a really good point about the catch of telling tourists where the locals eat. It's something that lots of famous foodies and TV personality travelers promote. It is well-meaning, but now that you bring that up, that sounds like a nightmare!

  • Cami
    Cami 2 months ago +124

    I've lived in a van for 8 years and the pandemic seemed to be a tipping point for outdoor overcrowding. Places where I used to camp for weeks without seeing another human are now crowded. I know I can't be mad; I'm out there too. But when people poop on the surface and leave their TP strewn around, or just garbage, or don't practice fire safety... White. Hot. Rage. 🤬

    • colorcountrykid
      colorcountrykid 10 days ago +5

      Don't even get me started on people leaving their shit around. I'm talking literal shit.

    • NovaDoll
      NovaDoll 7 days ago

      That is gross.

    • Laura
      Laura 6 days ago +2

      I feel you! In southern Germany the situation is very similar. Nature is being degraded to an adult playground and part of the obscene consumerism. Mountain trips feel sometimes worse than a walk through your neighborhood, as you have to greet any random passerby with "Servus", when you just wanted an amazing view, fresh air and some sense of grounding in the great outdoors 🥳

  • Eddiespaghetti
    Eddiespaghetti 11 days ago +74

    Once again proving that social media is the worst thing to have ever been invented

  • Crystal
    Crystal 2 months ago +690

    I have been backpacking since I was a little kid. I was 4 or 5 my first trip in Montana. Through the years, I've noticed so many changes as everyone and their dogs and moms hit the trails. It's great to see people outdoors enjoying nature, but so many people now have so little respect for it, are woefully unequipped, and have no inkling of trail etiquette. I just took my daughter on her first backpacking trip, a short one since she's only 6. Shorter hikes mean easier access, so it's quite popular. Someone literally shit in our campsite and left their toilet paper and shit unburied just a few feet away from our tents. People were drinking heavily and had fireworks popping off until late into the night. For the most part, it was still great, but with some very disrespectful elements. Why go into nature and blow up fireworks? What's the point?
    I've also seen people just casually strolling up hikes with 4000 foot elevation gain, with like a Starbucks coffee and nothing else-- no water, no emergency provisions, no understanding of what 4000 feet gain in 5 miles really means... I've given countless people sunsceen or bug spray (or both) when I've seen them sitting miserable on the side of the trail in yoga pants the bugs bite right through. It's not a fashion show, y'all; it's bloody nature, and it'll bite back.

    • Laura Lee
      Laura Lee 2 months ago +37

      I love this.. even though it's negligent on their behalf... I live in Montana and have raised my 5 kids in the woods and trails. The mountains teach you about life and sometimes those lessons are rough 😂

    • t1552
      t1552 2 months ago +7

      Yea. As a montana resident it has changed alot. I have yo find areas far from anywhere to get a camp ground without a beer bottle. And 4000 in 5 sucks. And when i see someone go up a trail with a 2000ft gain in half a mile i just know they will look at it and turn back. And hooefully not try

    • Savannah Burris
      Savannah Burris Month ago +3

      Yeah I saw some people on my last visit to Shenandoah strolling up to a hike with no water or anything and I always carry emergency gear. It was a difficult hike, too. I’m not sure they would have made it back without any gear to be honest.

    • Sam
      Sam Month ago

      ​@Savannah Burrisdid they make it back.? lol

  • pg123 ton
    pg123 ton 22 days ago +20

    Thanks for making this. I miss when hiking wasn't a "cool" activity

  • Michael H
    Michael H 3 months ago +1163

    Leave No Trace (LNT) ethic should be mandatory curriculum in elementary/high schools. The 7 principles fit on an index card. Going through an online primer could be integrated into camping reservation or backcountry permit systems and it costs nothing. You can't hope to completely perfectly manage every visitor but you can make sure they've all been given the same guiding information.

    • fusionstar916
      fusionstar916 3 months ago +4

      But I like your idea

    • MonkeyJedi99
      MonkeyJedi99 3 months ago +78

      In Boy Scouts, we learned it as, "Take only pictures, leave only footprints."

    • leftaroundabout
      leftaroundabout 3 months ago +78

      In Norway, the "mountain safety rules" are printed on every chocolate bar of the most popular brand.
      (Then it's even more annoying to find those very packages lying around on hiking trails... fortunately that happens rarely, Norwegians generally are good at Leave No Trace.)

    • perfectally cromulent
      perfectally cromulent 3 months ago +14

      plenty of people live in urban areas and don't go to parks. this is a job for parents, not schools. they've got enough to do teaching math, history, science and all the rest.

  • Hajime Senpai
    Hajime Senpai 11 days ago +8

    This all reminds me of the poppy feild incident in California. Groups of people addicted to social media kept stomping and crushing flowers just for pictures to their Instagram or something.
    The flowers started dying out because of it. So the local authorities had to step in and ban people.
    We really can't have nice things out here.

  • JestahJava
    JestahJava Month ago +99

    It feels like so many people are engaging in tourism in a such shallow way lately - and not just national parks. It’s to take an obnoxious amount of pictures, check a box, gamify the experience, or tell a story later, without actually appreciating the surroundings or having respect for them in the moment.

    • Anthony Peters
      Anthony Peters Month ago

      Omg DONT LIVE IN FLORIDA yoo yall.. Ahh yep

    • Anthony Peters
      Anthony Peters Month ago

      Turisum is ahhh

    • Hani Amrit Das
      Hani Amrit Das 10 days ago +4

      Uh that's pretty much the definition of a tourist, which is why tourists are hated by the residents of popular outdoor destinations and historical cities alike. The locals love the money but despise the shallow people.

    • Francis
      Francis 9 days ago +1

      This is a weird thing to complain about. While i hate waiting 2hrs to go mountain biking in my own city due to long lines. I've also taken vacations overseas, taken a few pictures and went home. Idk what to tell ya, its tourism and its not going to change.

    • The other Tony Dutch
      The other Tony Dutch 8 days ago +6

      Ya know how on dating apps everyone "loves" traveling. But I think people just like to show off where they have been as a status thing. When is the last time you really just went to a place to "be" there? Whelp, you can't, because EVERYTHING is commodified these days. It fucking sucks.

  • orinblank
    orinblank 7 days ago +4

    As someone who grew up in a small mountain town, stuff like this is why I usually avoid state parks in general. It's just so much more fun to go out into national forest where there aren't any tourists. You don't get charged for camping, and it's rare to ever see anybody. And if you're careful and know the biology of the area you're in, you can just wander through the woods. I really miss just going out with my friends, finding a nice spot with a campfire, and having a night of relaxing around the fire and hiking through the forest the next day

  • Rolfathan
    Rolfathan 3 months ago +54

    It's such a bummer. I went on a road trip, where I did see arches, zion, and the grand canyon. Some of my favorite spots of nature were actually along the way. Trust me, it's worth trying to look for other, lesser known places, because the sense of discovery you get, and the stories you get to tell of places that people you know have likely never been. Photos of things that less people have seen. Also, these places are SO popular now that it feels like you're not even out in nature. I want to get away from people when I'm out in nature, not wait in lines. Haha
    At least, I hope that the popularity of national parks really pushes people to fight to not only keep the ones we have, but open up more nature spots in their local areas too. One of my favorite hikes is just in my town, not too far from where I live. Companies are BEGGING the city to let them build homes over it. We need to keep our local outdoor areas too.

    • Hemigoblin
      Hemigoblin 14 days ago +1

      Exactly. One of my favorite places was one I found in a local county park. I glanced over the side of an overlook with a picnic table to see the barest traces of a trail, which wasn’t on the map. I followed the spur out a ways, knowing it was a dead end, and found a rocky outcrop above a 40-foot drop to a creek. I stayed there for a few hours, have gone back a bunch of times, and have only taken a few close friends to see it. Don’t blow up the spot.
      There are literally hundreds of these kinds of places in just about every county.

    • Honk Honk
      Honk Honk 6 days ago

      I agree. Humans tend to spoil everything good and that applies to a lot more than just nature. Of course the worst of all imo are the extremely sexy, tight yoga pants wearing instagram th0ts. It’s beyond infuriating and soul crushing knowing you’ll always be invisible to such creatures; and if you do somehow manage to work up the nerve to present yourself in a way to pursue them romantically, at best you’ll be politely rejected. At worst, you’ll be any one of the following: beat up by chad white knights, plastered all over social media as a creep, arrested for harassment, pepper sprayed or kicked in the most painful spot. Then these same women will cry about them being the oppressed ones. What a wonderful world! 🤡🤡🤡
      So imagine imagine how it is for people like us. Not only do we have to put up with garbage, fake ass people ruining our safe havens, but among those people we see multitudes of guys just casually walking around with the most high quality breed stock on the market as though they don’t even realize they have the human equivalent of a billion dollars in their bank accounts. All while knowing due to their genetic/financial advantage, they have practically unlimited access to what we’ll never be granted a single lick of in our lifetime. I don’t know exactly how harmful that is to our mental health but I do know it’s far beyond what a nice hike in the great outdoors is capable of healing.

  • Moonstone Mountaineer
    Moonstone Mountaineer 3 months ago +50

    A nearly identical situation is happening in Yosemite right now. There are just too many people here and they are destroying the natural resources we want so badly to protect. Someone parked in a protected meadow the other day not only harming the plants (there are signs you're not even supposed to walk in the meadow) but they also parked on the helicopter landing spot in that meadow! How dangerous! Now there are shunts in place periodically through the day at the El Capitan Crossing essentially blocking off the east side of Yosemite Valley. You could wait hours to get into the park and then be turned around as soon as you get into the valley. It's nuts here right now! Passing through the town of Mariposa on your way here you'll see multiple signs trying to put a cap on how many airbnbs there are in the town. Employees have to drive an hour into the park every morning (a lot of the closer housing itaken by vacation rentals) and now that people are catching on to arrive early, the employees are stuck in the line too.

    • jrod2086
      jrod2086 2 months ago


    • Sam
      Sam Month ago +1

      dude, covid? Do you remember it? people were locked down lol

    • Donald Carlton
      Donald Carlton Month ago +5

      I’m a photographer in California and I love taking camping trips to shoot landscape photos, and friends have always asked me why I haven’t been to Yosemite, and telling me I gotta go see it. I always said it’s because there’s too many people, but I’ve never seen it first hand. I just took a trip to the Eastern Sierras two weeks ago and decided to take a detour to Yosemite. It was amazing up near Tioga Pass and Tuolumne, and I even did a backcountry night at Sunrise lakes and only passed a few people on the trail, but the next day I drove over an hour into Yosemite Valley and immediately turned around and left, didn’t even get out of my car because of all the people and traffic. You couldn’t even pull over to take a photo. The most beautiful views in the world aren’t worth dealing with crowds of tourists.

    • weirdo
      weirdo 8 days ago

      I don't understand how you can't park somewhere but you can fly a goddamn heli through and land there. Other than that the people who go into parks and trash them are not good people for sure

    • Drill_Fiend
      Drill_Fiend 7 days ago +1

      Yosemite is one place I don't want to visit again. Looks beautiful in the picture, in reality full of tourists ruining photos.

  • haskell
    haskell 3 months ago +3381

    At 19:52, the sign that should've appeared on the screen might say this:
    You are entering Maine's largest wilderness
    - Your safety is your responsibility
    - Set a turn around time and stick to it
    - Your destination is your safe return to the trailhead
    - Rescuers can be many hours in arriving

    • Trevor S.
      Trevor S. 3 months ago +380

      Bless you. I backed up twice to make sure I wasn’t missing something

    • Brian
      Brian 3 months ago +71

      Thanks! I was about to Google it, but came here to check first.

    • Andrew Geier
      Andrew Geier 3 months ago +71

      "take only photos"

    • Steamrick
      Steamrick 3 months ago +84

      The sign should also state a minimum prize for a rescue call. If you can't afford that, don't try the trail.

    • Uninterested Cat
      Uninterested Cat 3 months ago +7

      I was about to comment about that lmao

  • Aerliyah Buck
    Aerliyah Buck 16 days ago +9

    I hate how big of a problem over tourism has become. I'm fortunate to live in a state with a relatively low amount of them, but as someone who would like to travel it's really frustrating to see this. All I've ever wanted is to tour the US and visit every national park to do some solo hiking, but now I feel guilty for even wanting that because then I'll be contributing to the problem. Granted, it's not like I'll ever be in a position to be able to afford to do this while still being young enough to physically handle it, but still. It's depressing that a bunch of entitled "influencers" get to go out and do this while simultaneously ruining it for everyone else. I hate this.

  • Grant McCormick
    Grant McCormick 15 days ago +2

    growing up in a family of mountaineers, the outdoors have always been my home. i'm beyond excited that others are beginning to discover the beauty of the outdoors. let these popular state parks continue to attract the NARPs (non athletic regular persons). before people wander into more sensitive and less regulated areas, allow park rangers to educate them on core principles; LNT, wild animal precautions, outdoor safety, etc.

  • Leo
    Leo 2 months ago +16

    I went on a highly technical alpine hike with tons of scrables and very difficult terrain to find a bunch of people in their 40-60's in sun dresses and button downs doing the same hike. Insane to see. I'm sure they turned back once they realized just how hard it was. Communicating difficulty is highly problematic as well.

    • Jake L
      Jake L 7 days ago +2

      I live near Boulder, CO. In the winter there's a trail up the mountains that's really fun with ice spikes. I saw people sliding around in sneakers, inches from a deadly drop off with no water

  • Bob
    Bob Month ago +3

    The overcrowding problem has hit on the local level. In my small NH town and in those surrounding, we have scenic spots along brooks, waterfalls and ponds. We have mountaintops with spectacular views. We have groves of old-growth trees and a variety of native flora. And we have wildlife! In recent years, parking to access these places has blocked our narrow roads. Trash litters the trails and graffiti adorns treetrunks. Some publicly-owned areas have had to be closed for months at a time, and the owners of private property have had to put up "no trespassing" signs. The places that I used to explore freely as a kid are becoming restricted because too many people, and especially too many thoughtless slobs, are overwhelming them.

  • Cycling with Cooki
    Cycling with Cooki Month ago +9

    This has kept me away from popular spots in the past few years. I would backpack and ski through in the past but now it is just insane out there. I have a few places I still go that are not impacted but I try and not tell anyone about them because it just keep getting more and more crowded with people who don't respect it. I took the time to train myself to survive and support people in the backcountry. Training and volunteering with backcountry ski patrol, lifeguard certification, and swift water rescue tech, plus multiple other rescue and survival training classes more people should take the time to learn how to survive in the wilderness.

  • WanderLuster
    WanderLuster 3 months ago +1313

    This is purely an observation I've made after exploring some parks this year, a lot of people visiting right now are by no means outdoorsy people, or not at all versed in moderate to advanced level hiking, sure some of the picturesque locales I've seen have been crowded, but as soon as you delve into an actually challenging section few will participate and sweet solitude can be found

    • Shin Lona
      Shin Lona 2 months ago +32

      @Geography Person I don't think that will actually play out like you envision it.

    • Toddy Surcharge
      Toddy Surcharge 2 months ago +28

      Yeah you’re right. So many obese people go to the spots that are short walks from parking lots. Us fit people can hike far in and avoid the crowds.

    • Alex Stamchev
      Alex Stamchev 2 months ago +50

      This has been my observation as well. We just got back with my wife from trips to Grand Teton and Yellowstone and both places were really crowded in the immediate areas of the scenic overlooks by the roads/parking lots, but as soon as you start hiking and you’re more than 5 min walk from the parking lot area or the road there were barely any people.

    • Micah Williams
      Micah Williams 2 months ago +7

      You're apart of the problem

    • WanderLuster
      WanderLuster 2 months ago +25

      @Micah WilliamsYeah, no shit, I'm not so entirely devoid of self awareness to disregard this, nor am I audacious enough to claim to have a solution; this is simply an observation I've made. Also... * a part, not apart

  • Braden Mitchell
    Braden Mitchell 3 months ago +257

    The vapid vanity of social media influence is a disease. I am from southern Utah and grew up a frequent visitor of public land, nowadays it’s so infested with campers, off roaders and people shooting guns that it has lost the solace it had just 5 or 6 years ago. Places I used to go to be alone are now infested with crowds and it’s nullifying everything I used to love about my home.

    • cannontaylor97
      cannontaylor97 2 months ago +4

      So true!

    • MaggieBeth Turcotte
      MaggieBeth Turcotte 2 months ago +8

      Same here in Maine! I can’t enjoy Acadia National Park in the summer or fall anymore since it’s swamped with tourists even in more remote parts of Mount Desert Island.

    • Braden Mitchell
      Braden Mitchell 2 months ago +6

      @MaggieBeth Turcotte I always imagined Maine as being quiet and rural! I’m glad that people are getting out in nature, but to me fighting crowds for local tourist attractions decimates our ability to enjoy the nature alone. I don’t like that there is industry built around the hype of isolated spots. Definitely understand your grievance, I hope things improve!

    • Sam
      Sam Month ago +1

      ​@Braden Mitchellgive the parks huge donations so they don't have to advertise to bring in money.

    • Braden Mitchell
      Braden Mitchell Month ago +6

      @Sam National and state parks are non profit public entities mostly paid for by tax dollars, same goes for state and federal protected land. Your comment makes zero sense.

  • palmtree554
    palmtree554 3 months ago +69

    I grew up 45 minutes outside of Yosemite valley and remember visiting with my family every weekend. I recently took my wife there remembering it as my old stomping ground, and it was unrecognizable. The traffic, good god the traffic... and it was a weekday. Sure when I was a kid there were lots of people, but it wasn't the social media theme park that it is today.
    To recapture that magic, the only time to go to these awesome parks is winter.

    • Tim Bo
      Tim Bo 2 months ago +15

      Shhhhhh keep that last part a secret

    • Crystal
      Crystal 2 months ago +10

      Social media theme park is the perfect way to describe it

    • Aaron Jones
      Aaron Jones Month ago +2

      I went to Yosemite to revisit one of the backpacking trails I did half a lifetime ago. It was so incredibly full of people. Just about campsite I walked past was full, compared to 20 years ago when we seemingly were one of the only backpackers out there. It’s not even a super popular or well-known trail. I won’t say it ruined it for me, but it really dampened the feeling of isolation that I was searching for out there.

    • phoebe 2
      phoebe 2 17 days ago

      Omg I felt this. In Vancouver, BC I can only get camping spots after first week of September, and they close by October and don't open back up until April😭

    • Larry Hubble
      Larry Hubble 15 days ago +1

      This is the American way. People go where the crowds go, so they can earn a living. I see nothing wrong in that. People have to be able to live. Again, you are putting nature about people. That is NOT how it works!

  • Niche Greenery
    Niche Greenery 17 days ago +4

    Living in a rural area that butts up next to national forest, life has become a lot less pleasant. Starting in 2020 I noticed a lot of our local swimming holes were appearing on lists of places you could escape the city to. I tried going out to them and they had no parking and far more people than I have ever seen by a large margin. Trash has been an issue, and picking up litter from out of town food joints is a guarantee on the weekends. The increase in traffic unfamiliar with our roads (built along old Indian walking trails so very very curvy) means we end up with convoys fifteen vehicles deep or more running ten below the speed limit for miles. It's getting harder and harder to be an understanding and respectful person when I see the nonchalant and disrespectful attitude people have for my home.

  • Hungarian Nerd
    Hungarian Nerd Month ago +8

    My biggest problem with this is the rise of dog shit along trails.
    I used to go on a desolate trail about 3 days a week as a teenager/kid up until my early 20s, overtime I noticed more people were discovering this trail and it started getting popular, which was fine, but recently in the last year I've noticed an insane influx of dog shit.
    I went last week, and I literally couldn't make it 50 feet into the trail because literally every step I took was dodging dog shit.
    Now I have to pick trails that are further out and too inconvenient to get to for all the downsyndrome dog owners
    It kinda sucks because I officially don't like anyone with dogs anymore, the amount of dog owners who don't pickup their shit heavily outweighs the one that do. So if you own a dog, there's an 80% chance youre a garbage human being who shouldnt own a dog.

    • Sunnyday
      Sunnyday 6 days ago +1

      I hear you. Dog ownership by rude people has ruined my hikes and neighborhood walks. My trips to the lake and even now the Car Dealership! The waiting room now has a dog or a few dogs / dog fights break out often even there! Crazy and Stupid. Leave the dog at home, people!

    • Hungarian Nerd
      Hungarian Nerd 6 days ago

      @Sunnyday facts.
      There are few people I meet here and there who I think "okay, this person 100% knows what they're doing with dogs, and theyre great with it"
      but most people ive met/seen who have dogs shouldnt have one.

  • Kees Van Doorne
    Kees Van Doorne Month ago +9

    Moving from Newfoundland, one of the more remote regions of Canada to Belgium, one of the more dense regions of Europe, I’ve found myself disconnected with the outdoors having to travel hours to get out in nature only to find it to be overcrowded and damaged by careless people. I took for granted the feeling of hiking in the outdoors in Newfoundland knowing that you’re the only person around for the next 20-50 kilometers, completely alone, complete solitude… that’s something that I would never be able to find in the Benelux and I certainly feel myself slightly sadder because of it and while being in Europe generally means having good transportation access to the outdoors, it also means there are others who take advantage of such and it only takes a few with complete lack of regard for trail and park etiquette to ruin the experience.

    • Anthony Peters
      Anthony Peters Month ago

      Geezzohhh How I would go nutty

    • Laura
      Laura 6 days ago

      I'm from Germany and I feel you. If I want to do a short day hike this is causing so much stress as you have crowded transportation and even trails. But you can still move off the beaten tracks. Either you choose a weekday or just stay away from the main attractions. Still you will encounter other people which can indeed be annoying if you need alone-time in nature....

  • Tyson Plett
    Tyson Plett 3 months ago +801

    I'm from Manitoba, Canada, and every summer, me and my buddies canoe out to one of our thousands of backcountry lakes that are not road assessable. The experience of being completely in the wilderness is so incredibly surreal, and I consider myself very fortunate to have that opportunity.

    • Zach weyrauch
      Zach weyrauch 3 months ago +20

      im in Nova Scotia. There are hundreds of beaches but a handful with easy access and good photo opportunities are destroying neighbourhoods.
      I hike into the woods often. Im terrified that recreational hunting and fishing is going to manicure the nature i enjoy.... well that or it burns down.

    • upside
      upside 3 months ago +21

      Canada is amazing in terms of wilderness and really isn't experiencing near the same issues that the states are in terms of overcrowding. Definitely helps that the entire country is near the size of Russia with only the population of California. As an American who loves the outdoors, I'm jealous of the vast tracks of hundred of thousands of kilometers of wide open wilderness that Canada has. Nowhere I've ever been compares besides Alaska and I've thoroughly enjoyed the time I've spent in the Canadian wilderness.

    • Joe Almeida
      Joe Almeida 3 months ago +8

      You are fortunate indeed. Keep your pics and videos of your gatherings off ALL social media.

    • Eudemonia
      Eudemonia 3 months ago +4

      Backpacking is the only way to get away from crowds.

    • Thomas Sowell’s Disgust Look at Ignorance
      Thomas Sowell’s Disgust Look at Ignorance 3 months ago +2

      This channel is propaganda

  • John Alden
    John Alden 2 months ago +14

    Three years ago I went on a week-long backpacking trip in Bridger-Teton National Forest in Wyoming. Not even a national park. it was the height of the pandemic, so even traveling there was problematic. Yet, any place that was less than two days' hike from a trailhead was overflowing with people. This was a wilderness area, and a couple of evenings we searched for up to an hour before we could find an open place to camp. it was like camping on the lower Eastside. I have found similar overcrowding conditions at Joshua Tree (every single campsite in the entire park occupied) and Rocky Mountain NP. Places in Shenandoah (Old Rag) have literal traffic jams ON THE TRAIL, where you are standing still waiting for people ahead of you to move.

  • Mr Nelsonius
    Mr Nelsonius 2 months ago +18

    This video is great. I grew up with the outdoors. Camping, hiking, fishing, becoming an Eagle Scout. As an adult I’ve lived exclusively in urban environments. But I became a touring musician able to go all over the US constantly. The Instagram nature pic culture seems completely counter to what my experience of natural beauty has been. I’m all for inviting more people in.. but not in this superficial “get experience clout” way. Because there’s often no actual experience behind it. It’s sad, there’s life changing experiences to be had in the great outdoors but they are all predicated on respect. Nature is beautiful and nature is deadly. This respect is the core experience of nature: the delicate give and take balance of life we very much find ourselves in and too often forget.

    • Laura
      Laura 6 days ago

      well put!

  • Lisa and the Cult Jam
    Lisa and the Cult Jam 11 days ago +5

    It destroyed the place where I grew up and lived. The price on our family home increased so much that my elderly parents thought they were doing a great thing by selling it for $850,000.00. They did not discuss this with me or my sister. They got screwed and it is so depressing. The house is now an Airbnb that I cannot comfortably afford to stay in with my children. It is heartbreaking and the island that holds my best memories is now a disgusting tourist trap.

    • Kombuchas
      Kombuchas 4 days ago

      Oh no.... did they get below market rate? Did they get an offer from someone directly? I am so sorry. That is horrible

  • Its Irrelevant
    Its Irrelevant 6 days ago

    Really great exploration of the importance of natures and its presence in our lives as well as the potentially harmful costs. Seriously thought provoking content. Great stuff 👍

  • GarnetReign
    GarnetReign 2 months ago +37

    As a Maine native who has been to the Katahdin summit, I don't think it's unfair to limit the amount of access from outside hikers. I understand being sad to not "complete the journey" but in the pursuit to achieve some competitive feat, people inevitably cause harm, whether carrying invasive species along with us or trampling the life around us on our travels. Conservation isn't for your social media, entertainment or tourism needs - it's about protecting nature.

    • M Call
      M Call 2 months ago +2

      I am mostly bothered by the precedent set by it. If they restrict Katahdin then what's next? They'll restrict another park in the middle of the Appalachian trail? What's stopping them from restricting most of the parks? And voila one of the greatest trails in the US is completely kneecapped and the people that care about that nature most can't even experience it.

    • Larry Hubble
      Larry Hubble 18 days ago +2

      Maybe we could sell Maine to Canada. The mindset there is far more Canadian.

    • Hemigoblin
      Hemigoblin 14 days ago +2

      @M Call plenty of parks that aren’t on the trail can be found within miles of it. “The people that care about that nature” can still see all of those biomes, they just might not be able to tick off the Instagram photo op of “that famous rock” or whatever. Real nature lovers find all the best local spots anyway.

    • M Call
      M Call 14 days ago

      @Hemigoblin Parks being near the trail is completely irrelevant if the trail itself can't be traversed.
      And once they become known those parks will fill up and people like you will support banning those too because "there's others within a couple miles" of those.

  • JogBird
    JogBird 3 months ago +794

    "Too many entitled, poorly behaved people are going outside"

    • The Leaking Shed
      The Leaking Shed 3 months ago +80

      YES!! I have no issue with people going on hikes, but when they feed the animals and litter...that's when I get mad!

    • Jack S
      Jack S 3 months ago +41

      This seems to have got a lot worse in the UK since the pandemic - after the restrictions were lifted, loads of nature spots (and even just general towns / cities) seemed to be swamped with bad behaviour and loads more people than pre-pandemic. Really weird.

    • SCP-173
      SCP-173 3 months ago +18

      ​@The Leaking Shed
      You haven't seen the image of a dad leading his kids to sneak up on bison with young.

    • Maxwell Erickson
      Maxwell Erickson 3 months ago +35

      That's because the people who truly loved nature were already outside. There has been a new massive influx of people outdoors, and way too many of them are entitled and poorly behaved.

    • Wasatch Wind
      Wasatch Wind 3 months ago +36

      ​@SCP-173When my family went to Yellowstone some years ago, a kid just casually left the boardwalk, walked up behind a Bison, and took a picture of its behind with his 3DS.
      The lack of basic common sense, self preservation, and respect for nature among many of these visitors is appalling.

  • flyyinryan
    flyyinryan 2 months ago +10

    I noticed this happening many years ago. Some of my favorite places have just been ruined because of this social media crap. Some places, I can't even carry out all of the trash that I pass. I overheard a couple of teens at a National Park in CA say that it's okay to smoke weed because it's legal in CA, they didn't realize or care that laws change once on federal lands. Going into the wild is getting harder and harder.

    • ssgg
      ssgg Month ago +3

      Ugh yes dumb kids were always smoking weed on the ski slopes in CO too, not even realizing that they were in national forest and thus subject to federal law.

  • Healthy Chick
    Healthy Chick 3 months ago +8

    I love the outdoors and gettinf lost somewhere. Nature is precious. I grew up in NYC and hiked upstate and in CT. Nothing grinds my gears more than ignorant people on a trail blasting music, leaving trash, yelling and screMing, destroying nature and crowds. The whole point for me to be out there is to escape the madness, soak in the serenity and see wildlife. I use all trails to find a spot and see how difficult the climb will be. I used to use Strava for cycling but now i stick to my garmin watch for stats. Im not interested in getting Queen of the mountain status. What we see today all boils down to a lack of respect. It is not taught in schools or at home. Selfish, entitiled, narcissistic people that only think about themselves and attention. Its becoming harder to escape this plague.

    • STEVE C
      STEVE C 17 days ago +1

      Then you know Minnewaska and the instagram people took that place over for the summer. I get so pissed when I heard people playing mumble rap outloud on the trail. Like, first off, the music sucks. But you just drove 3 hours like the rest of us to get here. Why???? Thank God most of the horrible people don't walk that far and tend to go only on summer weekends. Not that long ago Minnewaska felt like the middle of nowhere. this is why I am happy that they left the middle of it rugged footpaths since no one uses those

  • A Thought Or Two
    A Thought Or Two 2 months ago +6

    Thank you for this well researched and beautifully nuanced video. I grew up more rural, but have spent my adult life in urban settings. I’ve found it interesting how my childhood has informed my views of nature and how my understanding is definitely not universal! I appreciated that you acknowledged so many of the issues without demonizing and assuming simple solutions to to complex problems.

  • Taylor S.
    Taylor S. Month ago +2

    As someone who’s been an outdoor lover all my life and who has been hiking regularly since becoming an adult 10 years ago, I will say the big problem is social media…. Everyone wants to be an influencer apparently.
    I see girls all the time dressed up wearing high heals going to the edge of bluffs just for a picture to post. People leave trash at all these places and feed the wildlife.. When we hiked Angels Landing in 2019 there were quite a few people who were shaking walking along the ledge. That is not a trail you do if you’re afraid of heights. It’s become a huge issue all thanks to good ole social media.

  • MostDope Captain
    MostDope Captain 15 days ago +1

    From somebody who spent the first 9 years of my life in Maine and then the next 10 years living 10 minutes outside of Joshua tree National park in southern ca, this hits home. Along with this is small towns being built up overnight and pricing out the locals. I saw on airbnb the other day a house in Joshua tree that was renting for $6500 a night, nice house but nothing magical. I remember my mom renting a 3 bedroom duplex 15 minutes away from that house just 8 years ago for $600 a month. People are overcrowding precious areas for sure. That’s why I’m planning on buy land way way up in Maine where it’s super rural.

  • Jessi Frechette
    Jessi Frechette 3 months ago +1203

    My girlfriend and I went on one of our earliest dates to Acadia... in March. There was nobody there, clear roads, empty rocky beaches, and that made it 100% better than visiting in the summer. We watched the sunset from the top of desert mountain literally alone.
    If the parks encouraged people to visit more in the off-season, and promote the benefits of the park year round they would even out their visitation. All these parks have something to offer year round but visitation is concentrated on 4-5 summer months.

    • DONUT
      DONUT 3 months ago +69

      That's what confuses me. With more remote work, we should see MORE visitation in off seasons, it seems the opposite is happening instead. If you can work remotely, that means you can go cool places in April or November and be completely alone. Why wouldn't you want to do that?

    • yolanda cheng
      yolanda cheng 3 months ago +141

      I would just like to point out that families with school-age children are forced to only take trips during official school breaks. Attendance policies have now gotten so strict that you can be expelled for missing only 14 days of class in a school year.

    • Jessi Frechette
      Jessi Frechette 3 months ago +17

      @yolanda cheng this is a good point!

    • Aurora Borealis
      Aurora Borealis 3 months ago +16

      Parks should implement a reservation system. Period

    • Sumgiji Mothae
      Sumgiji Mothae 3 months ago +5


  • Baron Von Stanislaw
    Baron Von Stanislaw 2 months ago +4

    There's still a lot of wild out of there for those who know, but the popular areas of the Rockies are rapidly becoming choked and inundated. You're going to have to know and like navigating deep deep snow if you want to only be one of a few people at these places in a day. If you truly want no one, Nat forest and wilderness areas. Be prepared. No one is coming to help if things go bad.

  • Someone
    Someone 2 months ago +4

    It's always a little sad to hear the stories my dad has of going to every national park around the country with virtually no one around. I'll never get to go out and be left alone with nature.

    • Cupriferous Catalyst
      Cupriferous Catalyst 2 months ago +2

      Most of nature is really, really empty still. Just go to a high spot and look around!

  • ChilkootSailor
    ChilkootSailor 16 days ago +9

    I work at a state park. The amount of people coming and destroying the beautiful landscape really took all of my faith in humanity as being good natured and shoved it down the drain. Shit on rocks. Crazy amounts of trash in camp sites. KAYAKERS ATTACKING LOONS. One time I was going to clean up a campsite before campers arrived, and the previous campers were packing up. They had just had a water balloon fight. A little kid in the family asked his mom "Mommy, why don't we clean up the balloons?" His mom shushed him and quietly told him not to say that in front of me. People screamed at me and other staff for telling them that dogs were not allowed in the park. Fights. Drugs. Used needles.
    When pigs walk free, they make the world their pig pen.

    • manictiger
      manictiger 7 days ago

      The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race...

    • Laura
      Laura 6 days ago

      I'm so sad when I read your comment. In Germany it doesn't seem that bad yet, but the Alps around Munich are also flooded by unprepared folks. We have the additional problem that naive hikers start dangerous or difficult trails (even via ferratas) with no equipment. But then they get stuck and can call a helicopter "for free" if they have a membership card of the Alpenverein. This was meant for emergencies, but has now become the easy way out if one gets tired, twists an anckle or simply started too late and got into a storm or darkness. At least I hope they learn from their failures. But the cases that you describe are just beyond... So sad...
      But please keep on for the few good folks and hopefully they will limit access to some sites or people have to register with their credit card and only get the deposit back once the ranger checked the site....

  • Jeremy Markel
    Jeremy Markel Month ago +8

    We have a similar issue here in Canada with what I call sacrificial sites. Personally, I welcome focusing large numbers of people to a few well known places so that those of us who are willing to put more effort into our backcountry experiences don't have to worry about large crowds. It's better to overwhelm a few locations than many in my opinion.
    And as a SAR volunteer in BC, I can vouch for the increased numbers of rescues we perform these days due to people being woefully unprepared to be in the wilderness.

    • Northwoods Work and Play
      Northwoods Work and Play Month ago

      Canada is no joke, it's huge and there's vast expanses of emptiness that people underestimate big time. The ice fields and the Alaska highway are both a great testament to that. In the states, going 100 miles without some sort of town with services is a long ways, for you guys that's a normal commute lol

    • Yael Morin
      Yael Morin 22 days ago +2

      So many Hinge profiles in my area feature hiking and climbing photos, and I always think, "There's no way this many 30-somethings in this city have the skill and common sense to be out in the mountains." I grew up partly in the desert and partly in the backcountry of the Canadian Shield, but I'm real rusty and wouldn't do a difficult trip right now without several prep outings to assess my skills. Thanks for your SAR work!

    • STEVE C
      STEVE C 17 days ago +1

      Agreed. I am in NYS and we do this. This is how it needs to get done. The upstate area is actually awesome and wild and I am grateful we push 95% of people into places like Harriman or a portion of Minnewaska. We don't need every darn wild place having people

  • indieluvr
    indieluvr 2 months ago +7

    Thanks Wendover for making this video. It’s a big topic to navigate, and your team presented superbs! I presume most everyone who loves spending time in public wilderness areas has contemplated where the sweet spot lies between “do enough people know and care about this land to keep it public and protected from malevolent and greed driven interests?” versus “do too many people know and care about this land to keep it pristine and protected from masses of the selfie seekers?” When the NPS, BLM, and NFS restricts or closes access to federal lands (which happens regularly in Arizona), as a citizen who has a large tax burden every year, who buys an annual parks pass every year, and who is hyper-focused on my leave no trace and fire prevention behaviors both on the trail and at the campsite- I get very pissed off and frustrated…it’s like being thrown out of an establishment after you just bought a round of shots for the whole bar. No bueno.

  • Mark Rickert
    Mark Rickert 3 months ago +1546

    As a Moab local, this video is both accurate and terrifying. Terrifyingly accurate. The tourists have gotten so out of hand. During the increasingly longer tourist season, I have to plan my routes so i don't have to make a left-hand turn onto Main street. :'(

    • Nick O
      Nick O 3 months ago +127

      Couldn’t agree more. I’ve spent my entire life here in St. George and thought I would be here the rest of my life. I’m currently going through the process of selling and leaving my hometown because it’s been absolutely ruined by massive tourism influx. It’s completed priced out the locals like me and is a shell of its former self.

    • Chef D
      Chef D 3 months ago +55

      Avoiding tourists is a thing I guess. I also change my way to avoid Times Square in NYC 😂

    • Carlos Leon
      Carlos Leon 3 months ago +83

      Prime time to develop public transport infrastructure then

    • Daniel E
      Daniel E 3 months ago +28

      My family visited you guys. Drove for three days just to get turned around at the gate. I'm still bummed about it. I feel bad for you guys though. We don't have to worry about tourism where I live, lol.

    • control
      control 3 months ago +19

      @Carlos Leon it doesn't work well in places like Southern Utah, unfortunately.

  • Lug
    Lug 2 months ago +8

    I got disillusioned with "traveling and visiting" about 2 years ago when during a particular vacation, I went to visit beautiful outdoors and i was absolutely shocked how busy they were. In photos it looks like a nice calm outdoors place, in reality it's right near a parking lot, there are cars everywhere and thousands of people everywhere

  • MJ Carter
    MJ Carter 3 months ago +4

    A lot of people not from maine have bo concept of how isolated many areas are. My aunt is an entomologist with the forestry service up in Maine and when she did field work she would have to access areas by helicopter because there were no roads. Maine also had a big invasive bug problem which explains the no outside firewood rule. Invasive bugs can kill trees and cause great harm to the ecosystem.

  • Harrison Bodrie
    Harrison Bodrie Month ago

    As someone living in SOCAL as a Michigander. There are countless National Forest and other non NPS systems all over the Southwest but people avoid them like the plague. I love conservation but, the biggest boon to our Public Land as highlighted here is giving people the go for the other options. The small towns would love the overflow traffic. I think as the outdoor boon continues, more Lakeshores, rec areas, etc. need to get their day and more people will be able to enjoy nature outside of the crown jewels. That solace is truly missing from so many places.

  • Ian McCullough
    Ian McCullough 23 days ago +1

    As a lifetime avid skier, we've seen the same effects in our sport. Specifically, with the rise of helmets, and broader awareness of backcountry skiing. As helmets for skiing became more pervasive, many more people started taking more risks, sometimes to truly absurd levels of stupidity. As people became more aware of sidecountry and backcountry stashes, more thoroughly unprepared folks started ducking ropes at resorts, or worse skinning into the unknown without any of the concomitant safety and survival gear (avalanche beacons, probes, shovels, etc.) Don't get me wrong, I'm all for people enjoying the sport, but rope-duckers place extra burden on resort staff, and unprepared backcountry skiers increase the burden on non-resort wilderness SAR folks. It's a thing.

  • Alec Whatshisname
    Alec Whatshisname Month ago +3

    I remember when I was about 14, my Boy Scout troop went to Moab to see the arches. We were dang near the only people there. We saw one other family. It’s crazy that now there’s so much traffic that they have to shut down.

  • Chad Argabright
    Chad Argabright 3 months ago +509

    I lived and worked in Yellowstone National Park doing wildlife research for a summer in 2016. This is 100% accurate. You get all the drawbacks of living in a remote area with lots of big city problems like traffic, noise, disease, etc. It's still true though that as soon as you get on any non-major trail, these problems usually go away. However, when the major solar eclipse occurred it was like a nearly literal apocalypse where you couldn't go anywhere for the 3 days around it due to traffic.
    There's very little these parks can do to accommodate this increasing tide of people. I don't see any solution other than limiting access to tourists.

    • Nick Murphy
      Nick Murphy 3 months ago +1

      We stayed at Jackson for the eclipse and yes it reminded me of being back in nj waiting in traffic on rt3😂

    • soltersortna
      soltersortna 3 months ago +9

      I’ve been there three times and every second of looking at a traffic jam kills everything. People are extremely disrespectful to this amazing unique place, because it’s become a ho hum regular place to Americans, where they don’t even need to camp. People getting smashed, littering, stupid kids throwing things into geysers, it’s absolutely crushing.

    • MonsiuerArlequin
      MonsiuerArlequin 3 months ago +2

      The only way to mange this is by pushing a new place constantly, like having a new in thing to go visit.

  • Laura Lee
    Laura Lee 2 months ago +9

    This is happening so much here in Montana.. used to be able to just pack up and head out. So many camps and parks now require reservations, sometimes a year in advance, and it's just not fun. I'm excited people are getting out and exploring but looks like I won't be able to get into Glacier or Yellowstone anytime soon in the summer.

    • Sunnyday
      Sunnyday 6 days ago

      I live in MT also. Food prices are scary high... crowds, traffic fatalities, Visitors come and are surprised at how unpleasant and crowded the towns are , By Glacier Park. Workers are so overworked that many food places cannot keep their shops open normal hours... The advertizers are being a bit dishonest perhaps? We have many homeless and increased crime in our area. The rentals are turned into Vacation rentals of course, so many young lower income people ( including recent high school grads) are leaving the area. Ugly apt blocks are going up ... what more can I say? I am grateful to have a roof over my head but the quality of life is hard on folks that have to work so much to keep a roof over their head and food on the table.

  • Karls Abenteuer
    Karls Abenteuer 2 months ago +6

    This is kinda what I felt during my US visit as well. Some parks where just overflowing, like Yosemite, they where so full you could barely walk without falling over other tourists.
    And then there where others, less known State Parks that where really beautiful but nearly empty.

  • Gesamtkunstwerk
    Gesamtkunstwerk 2 months ago +9

    The nice thing about loving the outdoors is that if you hike for 3 days, the odds of seeing other people get increasing lower. The first mountain outside Anchorage has lots of trail runners, dog walkers, etc. The next one has only a few, and 2 days in, you see nobody all day. If it is not famous and it is strenuous, I find that no matter where you are in the world, you will find a few days hike worth of solitude and natural beauty if you really want it.

    • Gesamtkunstwerk
      Gesamtkunstwerk 2 months ago +3

      Even on the small scale, living in Eastern, PA. There are the nature hikes that are absolutely crowded every day, but 10x as nany ones with the exact same beauty but practically no visitors. Don't Google best hikes in America, or PA or whatever, and then spend hours travelling to it only to find it busy. Explore your local hikes.

  • DJ Burd
    DJ Burd 2 months ago +2

    It’s not just national parks. Mammoth Lakes, home of Mammoth Mountain, has been very negatively impacted by tourism. Just too many people everywhere all year long. It’s a bummer to see such a beautiful place change for the worst.

  • Jaz Digance
    Jaz Digance Month ago

    I've been subscribed to you since the illegal number video and I think this is one of the most important pieces of content you've produced so far. When you said that parks which completely exclude everybody are unnatural, I was reminded of what a friend told me about how indigenous people don't actually want to leave a forest untouched because pre-agricultural humans were basically all park rangers/conservationists for thousands of years; they maintained healthy animal populations, and spaced out activities like wood gathering to reduce canopy crowding. We as a species need to be more conscientious and respectful about maintaining and interacting with the areas we spent 90% of our history within.

  • Djacob
    Djacob 3 months ago +459

    I’m currently reading Edward Abbey’s “Dersert Solitaire” and his chapter *Industrial Tourism* made me want to become an activist. One of his solutions to overcrowding national parks is to stop paving roads all the way up to the sights of interest. Make people hike, bike, or horseback.

    • Phil Anderson
      Phil Anderson 3 months ago +14

      Same! Read it two years ago during a long stint in the desert southwest. It's amazing how spot on insightful he was. Just incredible. I was so inspired by that book I now have a small framed print on my wall I made of Abbey with a quote of his on it.

    • jam 168
      jam 168 3 months ago +15

      the roads are definitely the problem here! and that book should be required reading in jr high at least

    • Andrew Jazdzyk
      Andrew Jazdzyk 3 months ago +21

      People keep paving closer and closer to sites of interest.

    • Austin Bentley
      Austin Bentley 2 months ago +12

      Yup, I admire the gates of the arctic for that. Alot of these complaints are annoying for that reason. "OH there's too many people hiking half dome and we have to permit it for their safety" kinda also sounds like "we put chains here so more people can do it and we can make more money"

    • Ryan Birch
      Ryan Birch 2 months ago +4

      Definitely agree. The reason nahanni is so barren of human activity is because of its remoteness. Same with isle royale.

  • Dave Griffin
    Dave Griffin 17 days ago

    Great video! It made me think of the juxtaposition of Katadhin, which is pure conservation and Mt. Washington which you can drive up and practically has a city at the top. It also reminded me of hiking as a kid and hardly ever seeing other hikers to now where trails seem as busy as city sidewalks. I also loved your point about how knowledge was formerly transferred from person to person that was very insightful and helps explain many of todays current headaches.

  • organicstorm
    organicstorm Month ago +2

    Thank you for exploring this topic. I only visited some of the mentioned NPs in the Western USA for research in 2009 and remember how quiet Moab and the Parks were (to me, as a foreigner, this part of the world appeared rather "empty" of people, except for Grand Canyon and Yellowstone perhaps.. i did run into crowds there)

  • Sashazur
    Sashazur Month ago +1

    There’s a state park near us famous for waterfalls that gets a lot of visitors. You can see the best of the falls via a short flat walk from a parking lot, and naturally that’s where everyone goes. But you can go on a three hour hike in the forest beyond the falls, and never see another person.
    This problem is like what happens in famous cities, for instance Paris, where most of the tourists are only there to visit the Eiffel Tower and see the Mona Lisa.

  • rsuninv
    rsuninv 9 days ago

    I had a work assignment in Moab a week ago and I was shocked. Shocked. The last time I was in Moab was roughly 25 years ago. I expected the town to be bigger, but it’s ridiculous.
    I was blown away by all the “beautiful people” behaving poorly.
    The downtown area was as congested as downtown Las Vegas

  • Peter Skove
    Peter Skove Month ago +3

    Wow, if everyone started hanging out in nature all the time we may realize we don’t need photos of ourselves doing it because we could just have that person come with and then it would be like it was for me in the 70s !

  • Rob Christensen
    Rob Christensen 3 months ago +200

    Living in Lake Tahoe for the past 18 years, I’ve seen a clear distinction between pre and post Instagram Tahoe. There used to be certain beaches and trails that only locals and the most adventurous visitors would ever see, but ever since social media began blowing up every hidden gem there have been more people in more places. In some aspects it’s nice that more people are gaining an appreciation for the natural environment, yet there are so many disrespectful people who are now coming up just to boost their social media profiles that negatively impact our community and environment here. It’s important that we consider the changing uses and impacts on our natural resources so that we are able to adequately manage and preserve our natural resource assets for future generations to experience.

    • Wes H
      Wes H 3 months ago +13

      When someone comes to "boost their social media profile", how could that possibly "hurt the community"? Please explain that. Otherwise, like many others on here whining, you are just mad that someone else had the audacity to enjoy something that you also enjoy. Worse yet, they _dare_ try to enjoy a spot that is less crowded!?!?
      It's amazing how many comments there are like this on this video, and literally none of you see the glaring irony and downright hypocrisy.

    • thegrizzly52
      thegrizzly52 3 months ago +30

      @Wes H the classic me me me attitude everybody comes to expect from tourists who must consume and devour everything they come into contact with. There is a serious problem in Tahoe of overdevelopment, pollution of the lakes and watersheds, and destruction of forest land, wilderness and fragile ecosystems.
      For example, Squaw keeps pushing to build water parks, beaches get trashed with everybody's plastic and trash, snoparks and winter recreation areas are littered with broken plastic sleds and pollutants from cars are going into the lake.
      Overtourism and overloving places is a serious issue and deciding who gets to visit said places is a complicated issue but it is an issue nonetheless. Don't just hand wave legitimate issues just because you don't like to hear that you're destroying these places.
      In my opinion, there needs to be a serious push for people to be recreating more locally and traveling to recreate much much less.

    • Wes H
      Wes H 3 months ago +12

      @thegrizzly52 your "me me me" attitude made you commit to living there so you can consume the beauty for yourself, without limit. You are literally part of the "too many people" problem that you are complaining about, and you refuse to see it

    • SpaseGoast
      SpaseGoast 3 months ago +6

      So you are mad that people are coming to see the sites that locals have been showing off and boasting about for decades?

  • Cory Alphin
    Cory Alphin 2 months ago +5

    I'm soo glad I hiked over 400 miles on the A.T. around 2012. No phones/people filming 24/7. I'd see maybe 5 people a day. Even if we left the same camp that morning, I'd rarely run into those same people at all during the day's hike until we'd meet up in the next camp that night. I still wish to finish the trail with that same gear: Arc'teryx Bora 80. Super comfortable but overweight even by standards back then. Just ignore the gear attack people will throw at you. I had never considered shoe weight to matter for anything, let alone hiking. I've worn hiking shoes my entire life, despite having never hiked until I randomly decided to hike that chunk of the trail, they are just that good for back and ankle support in my opinion. In retrospect that must be why my calf muscles have always been pretty large from the shoe weight over my life time. Just hike your own hike and ignore the ridicule.

  • Drill_Fiend
    Drill_Fiend 7 days ago +1

    I say seasonally close parks or limit new visitors occasionally to allow nature to heal.
    Also, reducing number of car roads within park really does wonders. Only the willing people who are willing to venture out to wild without their metal cages will get to enjoy nature.

  • Soup Magoosh
    Soup Magoosh 9 days ago

    The same thing has happened here in the UK, in places like the Lake District and Isle of Skye. People now flood to these locations in the summer and often have little respect for the locals or mountains. Additionally a lot of rich people are buying second homes there for the summer and are out pricing the locals leading to a lack of workers.

  • Peter Schmid
    Peter Schmid Month ago +2

    This is such a valuable and nuanced exploration of the issues, thank you

  • OnboardG1
    OnboardG1 Month ago +2

    I just came back from doing some fieldwork in the Scottish Islands. It's fairly important work (and indirectly enables the outdoor lifestyle many people like). However, we've found it very hard to find reasonably priced accomodation (if we can find any at all) or sometimes any accomodation at all. The roads and ferries are packed with campervans and large vehicles, which makes getting ferries harder because less people can use it than if they all had cars or were going on foot. Plus the single-track roads are slow and tiring to drive when you're stuck behind badly driven campervans. Sorry van-lifers but you're really, really unpopular in places like Skye, Mull and Uist. The campervan crowds we see in the highlands tend to buy everything in a supermarket, they park in laybys (or worse, passing places), leave a mess and don't spend money in the local businesses. Unfortunately for us, we need good weather for our work so we don't really have much of a choice in when we go. It's high season or bust really. We can't afford to get a day with high winds because it'll waste six days of staff time, hundreds of miles of fuel and hundreds of pounds of fees. I don't think I'd like to go on holiday in the highlands at this time of year.

  • Fearsome Fawkes
    Fearsome Fawkes 3 months ago +87

    I have so many thoughts about this. A lot of them come back to just making things nicer closer to home. More small local parks, trails and campgrounds. More greenspace and plants in cities. More spaces where people can hang out for free.
    I don't want limiting access to be the go to way of protecting an environment. I think we should just make those places feel less appealing by making the places we already are more appealing. Then folk that just want a taste have more options and people that want a fuller experience don't have increased barriers to deal with.
    There should be more ways to dealing with feelings of isolation and disconnectedness than overwhelming a handful of large parks.

    • Cupriferous Catalyst
      Cupriferous Catalyst 2 months ago +12

      A big problem is that access to nature is already so limited in most places, forcing people to drive for hours to these sanctioned nature parks. The idea that someone can just own forest and prevent people from going there is ridiculous to those of us from right-to-roam countries, but it's a reality in places like the US. In my country, the law is basically that if you're not walking on tarmac, concrete or on a lawn, it's pretty much guaranteed that you're allowed to be where you are regardless of who the land owner is. I think that should be the rule everywhere.

    • STEVE C
      STEVE C 17 days ago +4

      Agreed but the parks near me have been taking over by latino people blasting music in Spanish over the last decade, sometimes with multiple boom boxes blasting over eachother.. No one enforces any noise rules because "racist." Ironically nothing will drive xenophobia more than giving them a legitimate reason to not like people (in this case, noise pollution that is supposedly OK if some people do it. I 100% know this is why white people go outside the city or even suburbs for recreation, but they're afraid to say it. Put another way, we need to make shit nice and be honest about what makes it not nice at times

    • Hemigoblin
      Hemigoblin 14 days ago

      ⁠@Cupriferous CatalystWhere exactly do you think this is the case in the US? Yes, there is lots of private property and no right to roam. There are also plenty of decent county parks in almost every county I’ve ever visited. (I say “almost” because I didn’t look for parks when I was younger.) Where can one live that’s not within reach of a park in under an hour’s drive?

    • Myla
      Myla 13 days ago +1

      Je suis d’accord avec vous; si on offrait la beauté et la serenité autour de nos habitations on n’aurait pas l’idée ni l’envie de s’en éloigner😊 . Peut être la raréfaction des carburants réglera ce problème et la civilisation des loisirs ne pourra plus gangréner la nature . Sans compter l’énorme énergie dilapidée par les Data des selfies et des réseaux sociaux augmentant l’effet de serre😢

  • James Roof
    James Roof 2 months ago +5

    My first trip to S Utah and Moab was 1989. So few people went there or even knew about it. It was glorious to have campgrounds all to ourselves and saw no people on trails. Moab was a dinky lil old mining town. I watched the area get more and more popular every time i went back which was roughly every 5 years or so Last time I was in S Utah and Moab was in April 2019. Even during a "shoulder season" the place was packed and Moab was bustling. I get it why people go there. Its a spectacular and inspiring landscape. I'm so glad I got to experience it before the hoards of people discovered it. I hate crowds and don't go to nature to be around tons of people. I go to nature to get away from tons of people. S Utah is simply amazing but it is being loved to death

    MADHIKER777 3 months ago +2

    Incredibly well done video of an immensely complicated issue! Kudos!

  • Locklear24
    Locklear24 2 months ago +3

    The fact is that there are so MANY other state and national parks that aren't popular and largely go untouched except by locals in those places. Other parks of all sizes could use the attention and support. We should be encouraging people to look for the forgotten parks and spread themselves out instead of concentrating at all the traditionally popular places. Small and forgotten parks need money too!

  • DarkSnP
    DarkSnP Month ago

    As a mainer this was extremely insightful and honestly extremely true from word of mouth i never heard anyone go deep in it but ive heard tale of lines and amounts of people or cutoff times never seen before now. Ty for content and information m8

  • Peter Lindblom
    Peter Lindblom Month ago +1

    I love excuses to get outside, and I appreciate this reminder to hit up the less-known state & national parks!

  • X3R0
    X3R0 3 months ago +397

    This is happening in Canada too. My favourite way to explore is getting lost and finding new spots that are a bit more remote , but people are so disrespectful. The rule is always pack out what you pack in, people !!

    • Reagan Harder
      Reagan Harder 3 months ago +13

      There is a lot of good wilderness in Canada, so there should always be places that can be found with less people around. More unique places like Banff or Lake Louise are probably gonna be victims of overcrowding, but if you're a fan of paddling, the amount of great canoeing lakes with campgrounds should be pretty immune to overcrowding all of them.

    • X3R0
      X3R0 3 months ago +8

      @Reagan Harder I agree ! There is lots of great places to explore , and PLENTY of “crown” or “public” land. As long as it’s not a national park or private property, you can camp for 14 days on it

    • Scott Taylor
      Scott Taylor 3 months ago +8

      Southern Ontario problems lol every conservation area within 2 hours from Toronto just gets flooded with visitors

    • Aarron Woods
      Aarron Woods 3 months ago +5

      ⁠​⁠@Reagan HarderI work the oilfield just east of the parks and a lot of the roads are going be closed. The amount of access to the crown land via logging and oilfield roads is going to decrease to the general public. I notice new gates almost daily. Not only that but the general public really messed the back roads up during the wild fires. 99% of them were traveling on a radio controlled road with a radio which is stupidly dangerous. The unscheduled traffic also increased the rate in which the road degrades.

    • Ethan Porciello
      Ethan Porciello 3 months ago +9

      Littering in a national park should be at least week in jail and a life time ban from all parks, fines aren’t doing the job

  • Jasper118
    Jasper118 2 months ago +2

    I’m so happy Colorado still has a lot of National Wilderness and State Wildlife areas, a lot more restrictions to avoid the ridiculous overcrowding lately

  • TheHylianBatman
    TheHylianBatman 3 months ago +97

    I'm defending Baxter. It's better to restrict access than let in too much.
    It'll upset people, sure, but oh, well. It'll keep the parks intact and in good enough shape to last.
    If you want trees and grass and plants, go to your local city park.
    As also pointed out by other commenters, there are parks that don't get ad coverage. Go to one of those.

    • Naomi Brandt
      Naomi Brandt Month ago +4

      I think the AT should go ahead and move the end point of the AT. They’ve talked about it, and they should just do it.

    • Kris Ramos
      Kris Ramos Month ago +2

      Why can’t people just start in Maine and end in GA? Wouldn’t that solve essentially everything

    • MarshSpy
      MarshSpy Month ago +1

      @Kris RamosThen we push the problem to Georgia

    • Carson Botelho
      Carson Botelho Month ago +7

      ​@Kris Ramosif you pause the video while he's reading the letter from Baxter, it actually talks about why that's a problem as well. The terrain in Maine is much harder than in Georgia, and going straight into the 100 mile wilderness as a rookie backpacker is extremely dangerous. SoBos (people who start in Maine) are probably responsible for way more search and rescue calls in the hundred mile wilderness than NoBos who started in Georgia and have ~5 months experience at that point.

  • Montana Nerd
    Montana Nerd 8 days ago

    I work in tourism in the Yellowstone NP region. I end up creating day trips for so many people, taking them into less popular state parks, national forests, even campgrounds. They see the geothermals and often some stunning wildlife, but thought they were going to have a quiet "out in the wild" moment. I wish city people did as much research about outdoor & rural vacations as we do when we visit an urban area. So many miss out and if they had asked, they would have bern guided to a good location for a nature moment. Even the least experienced are safe in a campground with 14 feet of dense woods around them but an RV 15 ft away lol.

  • Little Red Hen
    Little Red Hen 2 months ago +3

    This is why my kids and I constantly seek out new destinations with minimal "improvements" and 4wd access only. We still visit the over-loved places, just in late fall/winter when the crowds die down. But it's an amazing feeling to hike a trail named Sound of Silence and have it be just that, or wake up to sunrise on the lip of the Little Grand Canyon and have it all to yourself.

  • Rob
    Rob 2 months ago +3

    I'm doing my part to keep hiking paths clear, by never hiking.

  • Kontroversial Kat
    Kontroversial Kat 3 months ago +184

    I do feel like this is a phase that's been instigated by the lockdowns, and it may not calm down for a few years still. Once people get the sight seeing out of their system they may do other things and hopefully towns and parks can finally relax a little. Larger cities should really put more focus on making nature (even if artificially placed) available to people within the limits of the city too, it could help.

    • Guinness
      Guinness 3 months ago +4


    • Guinness
      Guinness 3 months ago +8

      Also because people have less money and it’s a cheap day out

    • dress for the dystopia you want
      dress for the dystopia you want 3 months ago +8

      Plenty of cities already do this. NYC has tons of parks, including ones that feel remote, just a bus or train ride away. Boston has the fens, SF has the Presidio, Seattle has Washington and Discovery parks, etc. The people who come out to nat'l parks to sight-see aren't city-dwellers, they're suburbanites who sprawled into precious agricultural and wild lands and now lack those kinds of natural wonders in their vicinity.

    • Eclipse1369
      Eclipse1369 3 months ago +2

      “Making” nature lol😂

    • Fibie007
      Fibie007 3 months ago

      ​@Eclipse1369 Reading comprehension?

  • mendyviola
    mendyviola 2 months ago +1

    I target ones that are less visited during the work week to avoid people. I went to Yosemite many times in the 80’s before it got crazy. The problem is partly due to people being cooped up for many years during the pandemic and realizing that getting outside now good for their health and quality of life. We have too few areas for people to “get away from it all” when they realize more than ever that their lives are short. And Clip-Sharers for $$$.

  • TopRopENopTop
    TopRopENopTop 2 months ago

    I am sure this is happening all over the place, but Moab is an extreme case I would imagine. Along with all of the national parks nearby, there are also lots of state parks nearby. Moab is only an hour South of I-40 and is only a few hours from the Provo area where almost every single college student and their mom enjoys hiking/mountain biking/camping so there was already a huge population that enjoyed moab, I was one of them.
    Not to mention, that the off-road trails and mountain biking in Moab is genuinly world class one of a kind terrain so everyone wants a piece. This has been an issue in Yosemite for a long time. It seems to me that social media is a huge constributing factor to this as well.

  • 03Forester
    03Forester 2 days ago +1

    With the advent of timed entry tickets for nearly every state and NPS land that exists right in my own county, it’s very difficult as a local to access those lands. It nearly eliminates last minute decisions to go to your local public state or NPS land. Even some National Forest lands have restrictions like these. I don’t know of a better alternative for land managers but it’s certainly catering to tourists who plan their visits months or a year in advance. Because of this, I hardly visit the state and national parks that I’ve loved and helped care. I honestly think that these places should provide added benefits to full time locals. I would have no problem if full time locals in Moab didn’t need timed entry permits to the parks or other benefits . They are the community and it’s not fair to them that these rules are unfair to them.

  • I heart Colorado
    I heart Colorado 2 months ago +20

    My biggest take away from this documentary is that the internet was a HUGE fucking mistake, and social media will be the end of Western civilization. I am extremely thankful that I lived in Estes Park for five years in the late 90s early 2000s. I spent so much time in RMNP, hiked all the trails and enjoyed the town. It was busy, but nothing compared to now. If you want to enjoy the national parks now, your best bet is to go off-season and to be super flexible.

    • Æthelhadas
      Æthelhadas 12 days ago +1

      hey id disagree. this is just one lens of the cons of the internet but it's also brought so many positive breakthroughs, the youtube youre using for one. the internet is just a neutral tool.

    • weirdo
      weirdo 8 days ago

      I think the internet both hurt people and helped people, it helped us find info that would've otherwise been censored by mainstream outlets and it helps us connect, on the other hand though i think places like tiktok, reddit and twitter are rly bad for ppl

    • Braulio Duarte
      Braulio Duarte 8 days ago +1

      It’s kind of a selfish way to look at things. You are essentially mad more
      people are enjoying nature and it is making it less enjoyable for you.

    • My Goose Shrine
      My Goose Shrine 8 days ago

      I don't believe the internet has been a problem, it's smart phones that gives everyone instant access to social media.

    • Erinti
      Erinti 17 hours ago +1

      If internet was a mistake what are you doing here? I am thankful for internet and how it helps in work and education. There are many ppl wanting to leave tiny circle of own villages.

  • David Schwartz
    David Schwartz 3 months ago +415

    Last year we did the Devil's Bridge Hike in Sedona, AZ, and I don't think I've ever seen so much dangerous trail behavior before. People were filming themselves running across it as fast as possible, performing precarious yoga poses right on the edge while shouting instructions to friends tasked with taking photos -- it was nuts. There were even arguments breaking out because people were demanding that others get out of their shots even though there wasn't enough space to stand anywhere else. Living in Maine, we at least have a lot of opportunities to experience solitude, but it's definitely busier here that it was when we first moved 10 years ago.

    • DeLorean4
      DeLorean4 3 months ago +43

      Hearing these stories makes me miss the days of 35mm film where each shot cost money, and you didn't know if it was good until after it got developed.

    • Robert D
      Robert D 3 months ago +35

      Help a young lady that was hiking in. She was about to pass out. Didn't bring any water. In May. At noon time.

    • Rex Mann
      Rex Mann 2 months ago +9

      ​@Robert Dwhen a damsel is in distress it usually is her fault.

    • Ben Ordaz
      Ben Ordaz 2 months ago +5

      Ha I live 30 minutes from Devil’s Bridge and have been there as many times as you, because like you observed it’s a perfect Chad funnel 😂

  • Drew E
    Drew E 12 days ago

    This is a discussion that's not just about "the outdoors," it's about tourism in general. Look at how many people think they're clever holding up the leaning tower. Or the case of glass beach, a place created by what was essentially litter and now putting up signs telling people not to take the "litter."
    It actually makes me want to support the idea of manufactured experiences and resorts, places designed to work with a capacity while attending to the need for a vacation.

  • Creature Feature Cosplay

    As someone who grew up in Flagstaff AZ and spent my childhood summers at the North Rim of the Grand Canyon (where my parents met), Zion, Sedona, and other camping areas, it breaks my heart to see how crowded those places are now, with people who don't even know they SHOULD educate themselves on proper outdoor behavior, let alone actually put in the effort to do so. To their credit, the National Parks are doing their best to keep with up with trash and other impacts, but sometimes it's impossible.
    Outside of the parks, on Forest Service and BLM land, sometimes nothing can be done. Flagstaff has suffered a string of devastating forest fires and resulting floods, nearly all human caused, and now they have to close forest access every summer. This results in hikers who have always lived there and know how to respect the land losing out. In the winter half of Phoenix comes up and leaves broken sleds and other trash all over the snow play areas, as well as causing huge backups on the interstate. There are no rentals available for residents because they're all short-term vacation rentals, similar to what's going on in Moab.
    My mom and I are on a couple of Grand Canyon facebook groups that are nice because people can ask questions and get informed answers, but some of the questions are just so disheartening to read. "What resorts are in the park?", "Is there a tram that takes you to the bottom?", "Which hotels have fine dining?", "What kids activities are there?" To be fair, most questions are about how to actually be prepared for the weather and what shoes to bring, but there are already attempts to open resorts right outside the park (South rim, thankfully, but still) to cater to the kind of tourists who don't understand or desire an actual National Park experience. So far they've been rebuffed but it's only a matter of time. The people fighting against the new resorts have cited light pollution and water use, because the proposed designs were more appropriate for a city.
    Then there are the yearly deaths from heat and falls. It's sad enough that people are getting their own dumb selves hurt, but they're also endangering rescue personnel through their negligence.
    It sounds mean to "gatekeep" the outdoors from those who want to see it but have less experience, and sadly there's no way to vet people to see if they actually want to learn or just want to gawk and exploit. It sounds mean but I don't think it's entirely inappropriate. I love what that park in Maine is doing, calling people out on their entitled attitude. I recently camped at a place in Colorado that I hesitate to even name because it still felt kind of undiscovered. It was operated by a land trust with lots of firm rules in place, and it was amazing!

  • Dominik Lange
    Dominik Lange 2 months ago +1

    I feel like part of the issue is that the US has so little publicly accesible nature. At least here in texas most property is private so the few places you can enjoy the outdoors are the local, state and national parks. In Germany there is so much publically accessible nature, even though the country is also densely populated.

  • Jessica Pendrick
    Jessica Pendrick Month ago

    I visited Baxter a couple years ago and it was so beautiful and peaceful due to those limits. We saw essentially no other people when we went on the trails. The cabins there (if you can get reservations) are picturesque.

  • Stryder_hiker
    Stryder_hiker 2 months ago +1

    As a 2022 AT thruhiker, I can tell you that Baxter is a headache to work with. Me and my buddy, just pressed on and we skipped the birches all together. I still remember the faces of the people who saw us skipping the line to even be able to camp at the birches, to summit the next day. We were lucky to be stronger hikers and be able to be in and out in a day.

  • Les ter
    Les ter 2 months ago +2

    I have to agree with Baxter, people need to follow the rules. Not ever place can be a frat party and more reverence should be shown to the areas reserved with little or no human alterations.
    I feel for Moab, as well. I have little to no desire to venture out west so I’m one less tourist they have to worry about. There are state parks in southern Illinois and Indiana that have really blown my mind and I still haven’t seen them all. There are areas in Minnesota that I lived that had scenery and geological features and I would think, “how is it that no one else seems to recognize this?” Utah is nice and has cool stuff, but it’s really just hype and marketing. The real gems are the parks that you pass by and say, “I’ve never heard of that park.” Chances are no one else has either. Free parking and no lines are an added bonus.

  • Zach Taylor
    Zach Taylor 2 months ago +1

    just got back from Moab...Can confirm all these things. Advanced ticketing works in Arches for sure. I grew up in a tourist town and I felt all the pain/frustration of Moabites there. I watched an influencer almost fall into the "bowl" at Delicate to get that .5 I heard from a local that Grand County Utah has the largest amount of SAR emergencies/extractions in Utah due to out of towners getting in way over there head. So much that the ambulances have bike racks on them.
    Im getting to the point of seeking out the underrated parks. Climbing to Delicate and doing the parks and riding was cool, but all the tourists both foreign and domestic just disregard and disrespect the parks and hard work really just got annoying. We enjoyed going to the parks in the early/late evening when all the "tourists" leave.

  • MrTrappedChest
    MrTrappedChest 9 days ago

    I’m gonna throw in my two cents for places people should go that aren’t crowded (at least from my experience): Bannack State Park. It’s a ghost town in southwest Montana, near Dillon. The ghost town is full of history and it’s cool to walk around the town and learn about and document what you see, such as the buildings, what they were built out of, and how they were built to some extent. It’s also right in the middle of a beautiful set of valleys and there’s also hiking trails, so you can get a vantage point where you can see the town.
    Overall, great video, but I wanted to put in my two cents so people have somewhere new to go rather than Zion, Yosemite, Yellowstone, etc…

  • Matthew Bauer
    Matthew Bauer Month ago

    I went to Mammoth Cave a few years ago and was honestly upset that there were so many people there. I just wanted to enjoy nature and tour the caves and take a few pictures and I had to avoid all the people. And when I went to the GSM/Newfound Gap & Clingman's Dome a few years before COVID, I did not enjoy the trip. I remember going to Mammoth Cave and The Smokies as a kid and enjoying it, but now, there's too many people there. I sometimes enjoy going to my city's forest management area because the people density is lower.

  • R M
    R M Month ago +1

    I enjoy heading to a raptor sanctuary at hawk mountain where you pay to enter the trail and it’s quiet nice. Part of their trails connect to the Appalachian trail and I do hope to someday hike it into maybe New York or perhaps head south instead.

  • Swaggery
    Swaggery 3 months ago +62

    One factor is when everybody is working 40+ hours a week, they don't have time to research and explore. So they have to go with options that are widely recommended for outdoor locations to not waste the time they don't have available.

    • meg
      meg 3 months ago +5

      oh jfc working full time is not an excuse for not doing any research yall anti work types need to calm down.

    • proallnighter
      proallnighter 3 months ago +15

      Full time work takes up about 9-12 hours of any person’s day. The rest of the day is spent either doing housework or doing one thing outside. There’s too little time in the day

    • Cupriferous Catalyst
      Cupriferous Catalyst 2 months ago +2

      Add to that the absurd fact that completely undeveloped land can still be considered "private property". The very idea that someone could go "hey, you can't go into this forest because I have a piece of paper saying I own it" is laughable to me living in a right-to-roam country, but it's sadly the reality in most of the world.

  • jhhwild
    jhhwild 2 months ago +1

    This is why I like Geocaching, because it takes me to local areas that most people don't know about.

  • Jerry Price
    Jerry Price 2 months ago +1

    Arches has now gone to reserving times you can drive in the park. We were seriously thinking of visiting there again this summer but now we're going elsewhere. Still, this is a great video and presents the problems facing the parks in an intelligent manner.

  • Cindy Abbe
    Cindy Abbe 2 months ago +1

    Its very sad. I have been a backpacker since 1996 and sadly around 2015 started seeing that once you got pass the 6 mile point into a hike usually you could escape the partiers, litter, abuse of trails. Now, with permits required on numerous trails its gotten SO much worse

  • PeanutBetter27
    PeanutBetter27 2 months ago +2

    "Now his life is full of wonder but his heart still knows some fear
    Of a simple thing he cannot comprehend
    While they try to tear the mountains down to bring in a couple more
    More people, more scars upon the land
    And the Colorado Rocky Mountain high
    I've seen it rainin' fire in the sky
    I know he'd be a poorer man if he never saw an eagle fly
    Rocky Mountain high"
    - John Denver
    This video does a good job at highlight the fragile balance of maximizing human access while minimizing human impact.
    The US, in particular, is intimately tied to this problem. Some of the first pre-eminent American artists and thinkers were naturalist that saw, loved, and drew spirituality from the natural world while simultaneously fearing the changes humans were causing, even when most people saw the new world as limitless as the that roamed its prairies.
    This is not a new problem. This is not a new problem, but, this time, untrammeled natural areas are reaching there limit. There is virtually no wear on this planet that is not touched by something of human origin - not the peak of Mount Everest nor the very bottom of the Marian Trench. In a way, we have mastered access. Our power to modify our environment with post-industrial technology has transformed the world over, which is playing out, perhaps most directly and observable to the average person, in the struggle between recreation and conservation playing out in our public lands.

  • Benjamin Carlson
    Benjamin Carlson 2 months ago +2

    I think the problem is less that more people want to spend time outdoors than ever before, and more that they are only going to the same few parks. Given how much land in Utah is Federal or State govt owned, there is plenty of space for people to go for camping, fishing, hiking, and a lot more. A lot of those spaces are just less well known. I've been on spelunking trips as a teen before in Utah, and it was a very interesting experience I wouldn't ever give up, even if my fear of small spaces would make me unlikely to go again. The millions spread over more of the land would prevent a lot of these issues

    • manictiger
      manictiger 7 days ago

      People don't actually like nature. They like the curated version. Noncurated nature is beautiful, but you need some grit to traverse it, and yes, every square inch is a potential ambush spot for a mountain lion, group of coyotes, etc. Beautiful, untamed, unapologetic nature.