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When numbers tell the wrong story

  • Published on Jan 22, 2023 veröffentlicht
  • Is Evan Mobley in the middle of a sophomore slump? Or has he actually grown a bit in his second season? Video coordinator Mike De La Rosa helps out in this detailed film room analysis that looks at how Mobley's impact metrics are likely misleading, and how he's sustained he defensive excellence this year.
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  • cnoteda1and0nly
    cnoteda1and0nly 4 months ago +2126

    We’re in an era where people expect players to be a superstar instantly. Expecting Mobley to put up 20ppg on a team with Mitchell and Garland in his second season is crazy lol.

    • cnoteda1and0nly
      cnoteda1and0nly 4 months ago +72

      @Pepe Silvia Every team would pay top dollar for that for sure lol.

    • Watermelon Man
      Watermelon Man 4 months ago +4

      To be fair, they haven’t played very many games as a duo. Both have been out with injury a fair amount, so that should open up more scoring opportunities, but it’s just not his primary place of impact.

    • cnoteda1and0nly
      cnoteda1and0nly 4 months ago +10

      @Watermelon Man Wouldn’t that inconsistency affect him the same as a young player trying to find his way? One stretch he has the green light while the next he doesn’t.

    • Aadi Palaniappan
      Aadi Palaniappan 4 months ago +31

      Remember Tatums second and third seasons where everyone was so disappointed that his numbers seemed like he regressed. Look at him now lol

    • DCM
      DCM 4 months ago +7

      Kid just dropped 38 too 🔥

    SUPER SAMMICH 4 months ago +817

    Another thing to note with Evan Mobley is just how much more efficient he has been shooting this season compared to last. He has upped his TS% from 54.9% last year to 60.0% this season. That's a substantial jump. He also looks much more comfortable in the post/elbow area compared to last season.

    • the_void
      the_void 4 months ago +11

      Trueeeee the growth has been better than people are making it out to be

    • The Notorious Michael Jackson Shakur Prime Infinite
      The Notorious Michael Jackson Shakur Prime Infinite 4 months ago +1

      Yeah he went CRAZY da other day wit Donovan Mitchell gone

    • Pino Bluevogel
      Pino Bluevogel 4 months ago +1

      Pretty big leap indeed, nice additional info there, thanks!

    • Jared Jacknow
      Jared Jacknow 4 months ago

      the range is building!! maybe I just didn’t see it as much the passing, particularly vision passing and out of the double, he’s been doing reaally well. esp for a big man historically

    • John C
      John C 4 months ago +1

      All he does is layup and dunk lmao of course he'll have high TS. His buddy does the same thing and has 65% TS so 60% TS is actually on the low side. He shoots 45% on hook shots so I don't know see any of this leap you are talking about.

  • YoDatsCrazy
    YoDatsCrazy 4 months ago +295

    The Mobley slump argument is so dumb because it really shows us who are casuals and who aren't Evan has improved all around including scoring, yet with new teammates who took away his shots he is still producing on the same level when he was the 2nd option last year.

    • Kat K
      Kat K 4 months ago +3

      Exactly I bet you if the cavs didn’t get Mitchell his PPG would go up

    • Youngin
      Youngin 4 months ago

      Mobley is playing amazing especially defensively. He’s definitely the 2nd most valuable player on the Cavs behind Donovan.

  • Joseph Schmitt
    Joseph Schmitt 4 months ago +492

    Cleveland native here. It’s amazing when you listen or watch local sports talk and realize how much they either don’t watch the game or understand basketball. Mobley is incredibly special and anyone with any basketball sense at all can see that.

    • Joseph Schmitt
      Joseph Schmitt 4 months ago +6

      @Kanye East only Cleveland sports guy I give the time of day is Quincy Carrier! He’s channel is great and he is non reactionary and understand the games he’s breaking down.

    • James Marshall
      James Marshall 4 months ago +32

      It's laziness. I know these guys will tell you how many hours of work they put in and I don't doubt they work hard but their actual analysis is lazy. They watch the game and think they know it but so many of them don't. Are you truly breaking down the game tape? Are you looking at all of the numbers then looking at the game tape to get full context? The answer is often no and that's why it's so frustrating so I'm with you. One of the best self aware moments from a sports radio broadcast was after a Cardinals game where the night before the qb threw what looked like a horrible pass as he threw short to the running back who was wide open. The sideline reporter said he thought it was a poorly thrown ball but when the offense got to the sideline he saw the offensive coaches ripping the running back because he ran the route too far upfield and the running back acknowledged that yeah, he ran the wrong route and wasn't where the qb thought he was going to be. Sideline reporter admitted that incident made him rethink how he views the game and that we often don't know what's really going on.

    • Kanye East
      Kanye East 4 months ago +7

      @James Marshall spot on. Anyone who actually follows a team closely and watches every game can easily identify and see how surface level their expertise is, and it’s blatant. Look at it from a time perspective, they can’t possibly have enough time to closely watch every team/game going on and dive that deep. It’s impossible. That’s why the majority of them lack substance or have a take that’s worth anything. I don’t care too much for people who get paid to “talk” for a living. Eventually it sounds like they’re just talking to take up their time slot in their designated shows.

  • Kevin Morris
    Kevin Morris 4 months ago +234

    Evan Mobley, on tape, reminds me of a young Kevin Garnett in that ability to just sense every threat defensively and just appear to erase the advantage. It's not exactly the same, but the comparison came to mind.

    • Injustice Anywhere Threatens Justice Everywhere
      Injustice Anywhere Threatens Justice Everywhere 4 months ago +6

      Id agree. i think Garnett was WAY more agile in his left to right movements too.

    • Pino Bluevogel
      Pino Bluevogel 4 months ago +19

      Garnett was similar to Mobley in the way they move and they both have incredible instincts and reactions on court. KG was generationally great, I hope Mobley can have as much succes as him. He needs more strength and a reliable jumpshot though, something he is very likely working on.

    • KurtKobane
      KurtKobane 3 months ago

      Like Garnett he never has any wasted movement on defense cause he knows how to slide his feet so smoothly and effortlessly which allows him to cover ground so quickly. Also he understands how to use angles and knows where he needs to be in order to be positioned to recover when coming off his man in help defense. Like I said there is no wasted movement and every little split second of wasted movement adds up greatly when your talking bout the difference from getting a fingertip on the ball on a shot or layup up or not getting a fingertip on the ball can be literally thousands of a second to late! When I say it's something you can't teach it's cause you not only have to have a insanely high basketball IQ but the instinct, reflexes and reactions along with the physical ability on top of the great amount of time spent on your defense footwork!

  • Behind The Arc
    Behind The Arc 4 months ago +138

    the way a person talks about how evan mobley has been playing this season you can tell the who just looks at the box score and who actually watches the games

    • Neric Dominguez
      Neric Dominguez 4 months ago +2

      had to look up just to make sure he's still only in his second year, wtf Perk lmao.

  • Zach Jenkins
    Zach Jenkins 4 months ago +96

    Been thinking this all year so it is nice to see metrics backing it up. Also, no front court player gets less respect from refs than Mobley. He is constantly getting fouled with no calls (he only had 1 FT attempt in his career high 38 pts Saturday) and gets called on a lot of ticky tack on the defensive end IMO

    • TheMusiqKing
      TheMusiqKing 4 months ago +30

      Yeah same with Herb Jones. Dude is a beast but doesn't get allowed to play defense
      If your name isnt Zion, then not a single other pelican gets any calls. Superstar calls is the dumbest most criminal nonsense in the game. Rules shouldn't be applicable depending on notoriety rules should be enforced unilaterally

    • James Marshall
      James Marshall 4 months ago +3

      Probably because he's young (also refs are bad) and he's skinny so anytime he gets bumped refs don't know how to call it. In the NBA if you're too big like a Shaq or LeBron, or really skinny like Mobley, refs don't seem to know how they want to call the game when there is some physicality and it's frustrating to watch.

    • BludAardvark
      BludAardvark 4 months ago

      its always been easier to sell FTs for bigs if you play physical. So you gotta get in space faster or bump people better which requires strength. Hel even Jokic is limited to his FTAs too because much of his post game is finesse despite able to muscle in.

    • TheMusiqKing
      TheMusiqKing 4 months ago

      @BludAardvark No Jokic just doesnt get respect from the refs. Its as simple as that

  • Donald Priola
    Donald Priola 4 months ago +19

    Defense doesn't always show in stats. He's a major factor, and what he did without Allen there to cover any miscues is impressive. He's for real, and his offensive game will come along.

  • obnoxious laker fan
    obnoxious laker fan 4 months ago +48

    One room for improvement with Mobley is defensive rebounding positioning - it seems like he gets pinned under the basket a lot, and while this puts him in good position to block shots, it seems like guys are able to get a lot of offensive boards on him because of how he gets pushed around a bit down there.

    • Kat K
      Kat K 4 months ago +4

      Once he gets some muscle and about 15 lbs more weight than where he’s at now he’ll be able to be better at defensive rebounding. He’s just not strong enough yet

    • Yup
      Yup 4 months ago +9

      I mean, young big guys get pushed around on the glass. Fact of life because they don't really fill out until year 4. No 21 year old is going to be able to bang with the Steven Adams of the NBA.

    • BludAardvark
      BludAardvark 4 months ago

      Lower body strength for young players is always a key development if they don't have it already. Sure you have some guys who are built like Isaiah Stewart but not the crazy length/footwork/push from the legs on contests like Mobley.

    • KermitTheFrogs GreenMemeMachine
      KermitTheFrogs GreenMemeMachine 4 months ago +1

      That should come with experience in the league. Those veteran big men are really strong and have that veteran savvy

  • Creature of Rabbit
    Creature of Rabbit 4 months ago +21

    Watching these clips Mobley has incredible timing. He is not just a deterrent, but he acts at the last second to surprise shooters and disrupt the action. This makes it harder for players to back it out and find a better shot.

  • Jeffrey Gray
    Jeffrey Gray 4 months ago +5

    15 points, 9 rebounds, and 3 assists per game with DPOY level defense sounds like an all-star to me, not a disappointment. Every title contender would kill to get that. And on a rookie contract, too.

  • J
    J 4 months ago +198

    I can’t believe you never dropped a 2022 top 10 video Ben 😢

    • Anthony Zobel
      Anthony Zobel 4 months ago +8

      I was looking forward to it so much man :(

    • J
      J 4 months ago +12

      @Jagdeep Rai content is amazing no doubt, im just disappointed lol

    • Peter Andrei Resurrected
      Peter Andrei Resurrected 4 months ago

      Perhaps he hasn't changed his opinion? It might after this season but.

    • zach fox
      zach fox 4 months ago +1

      I'm not disappointed, I'm just sad because the season ended and there aren't the top 10 by ben. Well I kinda understand because he has so much to do and it's a lot of effort to produce that kind of content and still be beaten by those content that are narrative driven arguments. I hope you are happy ben and hope u still produce quality contents. Everyone should listen to his podcast. I listen to it every time I drive, still the best basketball content creator!

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  • Derek Simmons
    Derek Simmons 4 months ago +9

    I love that you felt so strongly about Perkins' hot take that you made a video to prove what we all already know: that man just talks out his ass 😂

  • Alondus Fuller
    Alondus Fuller 4 months ago +3

    We have to take into account that Mobley is an extremely versatile player who plays with Garland, Mitchell, Vert, and Allen so him not averaging over 20 isn’t a big deal. He contributes in area of the game so he’ll come along

  • Victor Wang
    Victor Wang 4 months ago +9

    he’s definitely more of a ceiling raiser than a floor raiser, which is always underrated in the discourse

  • Rich Cant Game
    Rich Cant Game 3 months ago +1

    Defensive 4’s are 100% my guilty pleasure. I love the positional fit because they often can guard 3-5 at least, whereas a center may only be able to guard 4-5.
    Jon Isaac was a guy I was super high on but obviously his injury luck has sidelined that. Mobley is definitely my new favorite guy to watch defensive highlights from. Also a fan of Mitchell so I love watching this Cavs team.

  • Scorpion
    Scorpion 4 months ago +15

    And that's why Thinking Basketball is among the few in the sport that has an objective view of the game.
    Not the bullcrap that ESPN and others try to tell with only the eye test.
    Thank you to show the little things players do that don't show in the stats.
    Just like Caruso in the Lakers

  • Jeff Zhang
    Jeff Zhang 4 months ago +4

    incredibly rigorous analysis of the stats to show us that +/- numbers don't always reflect performance. Great content.

  • Jacob Connell
    Jacob Connell 4 months ago +3

    I never expected to see Mobley become a true force on offense for a couple of years -- he still needs to get stronger. I am more concerned with his turnovers, he can be loose with the ball at times

  • LeoTheLion
    LeoTheLion 4 months ago +199

    Hey can we please get a video on Bam Adebayo’s versatility as a defender. He rarely if ever gets his flowers

    • darkstar10567
      darkstar10567 4 months ago +7

      Don't Read My Profile Picture Sure

    • AlWasz
      AlWasz 4 months ago +8

      Don't Read My Profile Picture no problem, thanks for informing us

    • RecapRico
      RecapRico 4 months ago +2

      I'm pretty sure Thomas Bryant left some flowers at his funeral after killing him last time they played

    • LeoTheLion
      LeoTheLion 4 months ago +1

      @RecapRico a funeral? You’re a box score watcher. Literally went back and looked at the highlights to that game. He only scored 3 times when Bam was near him, 2 of those the Heat were in zone and Bam literally just let him shoot a mid range. And the 3rd was on a roll where he finished a layup. Bam literally switches onto guards almost every possession.

  • Wi_Fidelity
    Wi_Fidelity 4 months ago +116

    This video is pure prescience. 38pts on Sat.

    • ow my bones, owowoowowowowouchies
      ow my bones, owowoowowowowouchies 4 months ago +3

      The irony of responding to this video with his points scored in single game is fucking hilarious.

    • Wi_Fidelity
      Wi_Fidelity 4 months ago +3

      @ow my bones, owowoowowowowouchies I don't think that's what irony is

    • Cary
      Cary 4 months ago +1

      @ow my bones, owowoowowowowouchieswhat?😭

  • Dexter Wallingsford
    Dexter Wallingsford 4 months ago +51

    It still kills me that Mobley isn’t a Rocket. He’s the exact opposite of Jalen Green- selfless, defense first, good passer, efficient. I’m always gonna root for him

    • Lucas Duenez
      Lucas Duenez 4 months ago +10

      I'll always see the porter Jr trade as a swap for he and mobley. Being a cavs fan, I'm thrilled Houston dropped the ball, no pun intended.

    • De Armas
      De Armas 4 months ago +6

      All Houston does is drop the ball

    • future hofer
      future hofer 4 months ago

      @Lucas Duenez how did they drop the ball if the picked Jalen Green? All they have to do is get rid of KPJ and build around Green and Sengun

    • Lucas Duenez
      Lucas Duenez 4 months ago +11

      @future hofer Mobley > Green

    • K Paukeaho
      K Paukeaho 4 months ago +2

      @future hofer Green’s growth looks iffy so far this season. Still horrid defender, inefficient shooting with bad shot selection, low playmaking… not looking promising.

  • Dino Spumoni
    Dino Spumoni 4 months ago

    Mobley's offense has begun to really fluorish the last few weeks as well. Just had 38 vs the Bucks.

  • TheTEN24
    TheTEN24 4 months ago +1

    He looks really good defensively here. I didn’t even realize people have been saying he’s slumping since I haven’t been watching that much NBA action so far this year

  • Josh Friedel
    Josh Friedel 3 months ago +1

    This man is going to become an all time top 10 player.

  • Cesar LaFlame
    Cesar LaFlame 4 months ago +3

    I just was at the cavs game vs the bucks Evan Mobley dropped 38 with ease and seeing him in person made my jaw drop

  • Kiki Boyle
    Kiki Boyle 4 months ago +3

    Love me some Mike DLR content on the main channel 🙌
    Wish we could’ve seen Evan’s one year at SC finish out… ✌️

  • Haruki_Aznable
    Haruki_Aznable 3 months ago

    Love Mobley so much. Bought his jersey last season hoping he feels loved enough to not leave. So much of an upgrade over rookie Tyler Zeller as starting 5. Although I love TZ too.

  • Ryan Kammer
    Ryan Kammer 2 months ago

    Just watched your warriors defense video and got me thinking. Imagine Mobley in their system. That would be terrifying. Plus, I’m actually a Cavs fan too haha

  • Kevin Davidson
    Kevin Davidson 4 months ago +2

    I think y’all did this more for yourself as opposed to taking anything Perk says seriously lol. I think all of last years top 3 rookies would’ve been in about the same spot. Idk much about Cade at this point since he was playing on an injury, but it looks like the top 3 were going to play at around the same level as last year considering all of them didn’t change much or had less of a role in their offense with the addition of more weapons.

  • Woah What Is This
    Woah What Is This 4 months ago

    Mobley had 4 blocks in a 6 minute stretch in the 3th quarter in that jazz game. Absolutely mind blowing

  • obnoxious laker fan
    obnoxious laker fan 4 months ago +6

    Most excellent vid. Love it when Mike sprinkles in some extra spice with the scouting and analysis

  • dddiop
    dddiop 4 months ago

    The luck variant just seems so weird with him because it's been like that since like day 1 of the season he had one of the worst on/offs and I just keep waiting for him to balance out and yet he remains.

  • drew christmann
    drew christmann 4 months ago +7

    What I love about mobley is that while he is pretty spotty at offense, you can always rely on his elite defense no matter how well he’s doing at offense. I think if he builds muscle he can be the next Giannis

  • Yoshua Delgado
    Yoshua Delgado 4 months ago +1

    Orlando Magic fan here, would love a video for Franz or Paolo or even Fultz. I think we have a great team who can be in the mix for the play in tournament by end of season as long as our players can stay healthy

  • tropicalpnch
    tropicalpnch 4 months ago +1

    It's hard to really tell with how quiet Mobley is, but I think he's less anxious / nervous now than he was at the start of the season. I haven't seen him fumble a pass-catch in a while and he looks more confident overall (especially calling for the ball on offense.) Imagine how high strung he was to start the season with all of the team's expectations, Mitchell joining all of a sudden, and also the individual expectation put on Mobley with all of the Garnett/Duncan comparisons he's heard.

  • Jon Woods
    Jon Woods 4 months ago

    I think it goes without saying, that if the numbers don't match the eye test or vice-versa, we need to be extremely careful on how we evaluate players and the context in which they play.

  • Harry O
    Harry O 4 months ago +29

    Oh, Kendrick Perkins doesn't know what he's talking about..? I'm so surprised... 😯

    • David Foster
      David Foster 3 months ago +1

      Terrible takes combined with zero entertainment. Perfect for 2023 ESPN.

  • Ward Huyskes
    Ward Huyskes 4 months ago +11

    I think a lot of the critizism hails from impatience. The expectation is that when Mobley makes the jump the cavs might instantly become the best team in the east.

    • Sean Manning
      Sean Manning 4 months ago +3

      I usually hear him praised for his level of patience, especially considering his age. His 38-point game on Saturday could be a catalyst to more aggressive play from Mobley *at least that's what we're hoping for here in Cleveland* 😁

    • Alexander
      Alexander 4 months ago

      @Sean Manning not Mobley's patience. It's the media's patience.

    • Sean Manning
      Sean Manning 4 months ago

      @Alexander Ah, now I see. Thanks for pointing that out.

  • Max
    Max 4 months ago +3

    Thank you Ben for informed opinion. Yet we get Perk on national tv 😕

  • James Marshall
    James Marshall 4 months ago +1

    This is why I always have issues with former players (and journalists) analyzing players and games. Just because you played and know the game doesn't mean you're good at analyzing players or a game. Actual analysis involves breaking down everything, what is the defensive strategy the team is using, what is the role of that player in the system whether its offense or defense, how is the opposing offense or defense reacting to the strategy and your presence, what do all of the numbers say and what is the context related to those numbers. This requires meticulous breakdown of both looking at numbers and looking at game tape to get a full understanding of what is going on and so many of them don't do that. They may look at specific circumstances, look at a really small sample size, but some don't even do that. Here Perk does a bad job of analysis as do other former players like Shaq or Chuck. They rely on the fact they are former players and won championships but analyzing is a different skill set than playing, playing can help inform but it doesn't mean you are actually good at analysis. Just like playing a sport, to be a good analyst you have to put in the work and practice to get good at it.

  • A’
    A’ 4 months ago +4

    I noticed he’s gotten slightly more comfortable with that midrange jumper. He’s definitely improving

  • Paul Reprado
    Paul Reprado 4 months ago +25

    Perk most likely didnt even watch the game. Or he really doesnt understand how the game works.

    • ChanAfool
      ChanAfool 4 months ago +1

      It’s crazy cause perk was literally a rim protector

    • Un Homme
      Un Homme 4 months ago +1


    • TheMusiqKing
      TheMusiqKing 4 months ago +3

      @ChanAfool bruh Perk was trash he wasn't a true rim protector he was an enforcer. Just a goon who couldnt play the game

  • Robert Harris
    Robert Harris 4 months ago

    I’ve watched about 20 full games and Darius G. and Spida have the ball in their hands A LOT. And they never sit both so he always waiting to get the ball and now that C. Levert back healthy, he dribbles a lot as well

  • the boii
    the boii 4 months ago

    Do you guys have any episodes on ben Wallace?? Just curious your perspective on the player and/how he would fit today with his defensive versatility.

  • CombatWombat594
    CombatWombat594 4 months ago +6

    As a basically life long Cavs fan, that lives about an hour out of Cleveland, I REALLY hope we let Evan develop here. Cleveland sports teams have a habit of not letting rookie players grow into the players they can be. We also have a problem getting players to that point it seems... I just really would love to see this Cavs team, with all this great chemistry and comradery, make something of itself, and that most certainly includes Evan

    • Youngin
      Youngin 4 months ago +2

      Agree, this is the most cohesive home grown cavs team we’ve seen probably ever. Back in the early 2000s Lebron was out there on his own carrying our team to 50+ wins every year, they weren’t a cohesive unit with depth.

    • CombatWombat594
      CombatWombat594 4 months ago

      @Youngin 100% agree with you. This is probably the best team we've EVER had, and that includes our finals winning team honestly. I unfortunately don't think we'll get what we want as Cavs fans. Definitely think they'll make stupid moves from the front office that only hurt in the long run. They never tried to get Lebron help when he was here, and almost expected the man to be able to carry Cleveland to a title. I expect similar stupidity with this team

  • Mark Sines
    Mark Sines 4 months ago

    one thing the stat is correct is opponents shoot better percentage in 3’s when he plays, and you explained it in this video, overall he’s gonna be a great defender, offensively he has the tools a glimpse of amare and bosh

  • Anthony Banks
    Anthony Banks 4 months ago

    It’s scary that this team goin better then what Minnesota was supposed to be with KG & Marbury, Even has KGs game in this era

  • Benjamin Werth
    Benjamin Werth 4 months ago

    He is leading the NBA in defensive winshares and has been almost all season. (despite the shooting luck) He is literally a DPOY candidate more than slumping.

  • m
    m 4 months ago +2

    Perk's hot takes are notoriously bad and really don't deserve any attention. Mobley himself has a reduced offensive role, and on defense he looks as good as last year. We need to give him a few years and see how he develops.

  • Uli Peterson
    Uli Peterson 4 months ago

    this is why you can never just rely on the stat sheet.
    it's true that numbers don't lie, but there is always more to it.

  • Kan
    Kan 4 months ago

    I was thinking if the opp 3pts shooting boost is due to the defensive strategy. As same thing happened when poku is on the floor.

  • Pino Bluevogel
    Pino Bluevogel 4 months ago

    Always nice to see quality basketball content disprove wild takes from mainstream media. If it isn't just plain out wrong what they are saying, theyre at the very least omitting a lot of the real story. Mobley has always been about defense, with a potential to be a scorer too. While that last part may need a bit more time to develop further, his defense is already elite, close to DPOY caliber. Impressive for someone in his 2nd league year.

  • George Washington
    George Washington 3 months ago

    You've been following this guy. Do another summary for his 2nd year.

  • Declan
    Declan 4 months ago

    Without knowing too much, could it be that having two bigmen in Allen and Mobley in and around the paint / in drop coverage is partly responsible for the increased shooting efficiency from 3 when Mobley is on the floor?
    It would be good to compare the closest defender stats of the shots with Mobley on/off - having only one of the two towers available means there is likely always an extra perimeter defender, so it makes sense to me that there would be a large gap between 3pt efficiency...

  • treelo_the_first
    treelo_the_first 4 months ago +3

    My favorite part of this game was when Evan Mobley shouted, “It’s Mobing Time™️!!” and proceeded to Mobe all over everyone

  • K. C.
    K. C. 3 months ago

    I would have picked Mobley at #1 easily. He is not flashy enough for the broad audience to turn heads, but he is a franchise altering player who as all the tools to be a MVP one day. He easily passes the eye test.

  • Fortnite Irony
    Fortnite Irony 4 months ago +2

    I wanna see a jaden mcdaniels video. All defensive team level player who opposing announcers don't even know

  • lakercow32
    lakercow32 4 months ago

    The problem with his scoring is the fact that he's playing with 3 shoot first guards. They only pass as a last resort.

  • Jus
    Jus 3 months ago

    Mobley may be the best defender in the game, but I like Sengun's overall potential more

  • shane schuster
    shane schuster 4 months ago +1

    Thank you for clearing this up guys

  • Blackpilled in a Hellcat

    Can someone please explain to me how having 2 non floor spacing bigs works for the Cavs in this era?

  • Ethan Gonda
    Ethan Gonda 4 months ago

    Ben I wonder if you ever wanted to look at sitting out as a topic, and injury history. I don’t know if we actually have good enough data to track this, but do players actually get injured at a higher rate? Not really the knee soreness on a back to back but more concrete stuff? The other two things I wonder about are one, the effects of aau ball and lack of cross training effecting players health, and I wonder if with more complicated schemes and better athletes are people moving more? Is there miles per game increased if they are running more complicated schemes? Sure we hear about less physicality, and maybe that’s true, but offense and defense is more more advanced than even ten years ago! I would have no idea how to tackle these or if they’re worth tackling but thought you might be the guy to bring it up to…. Anyways as always love the content.

  • David Duarte
    David Duarte 4 months ago +8

    I like how in a video about how the perception of a player can be misconstrued starts with Kendrick Perkins saying some dumb stuff like he always does

  • R Teodoro
    R Teodoro 4 months ago

    I think he's making incremental improvements not seen on the boxscore.

  • Dr. Wongburger
    Dr. Wongburger 4 months ago

    Nice video. I hate seeing talking heads create these narratives that just aren't supported by the facts, and Perk seems to be one of the worst for doing it.
    I would love to see you do a video on Jalen Green at some point this season. He has been struggling a bit, especially in what was probably his worst game of the season the other night in Minnesota. And then tonight he had a career high in points. Would like to know if you think he is just having a sophomore slump or if he is learning bad habits or what.

    • BludAardvark
      BludAardvark 4 months ago

      I think the problem is reacting to whatever Perk says. Its clear he's just a talking head and I wouldn't even engage with people who actually believe his takes.

  • ItsDJNoName
    ItsDJNoName 4 months ago

    Evan Mobley would fit perfectly on the Warriors. He is everything that James Wiseman is supposed to be.

  • Dale G.
    Dale G. 4 months ago +1

    Wait a second, Perkins had a poorly thought out take? How long has this been going on?!

  • The Most Random
    The Most Random 4 months ago

    I think he'll get exposed come playoffs. He's still developing though and if his shot percentage starts to go up he'll be a problem for sure in the future.

  • Vincent Ma
    Vincent Ma 4 months ago

    It's a bad take from Perk (Evan's only 21!) but I don't think Evan's on/off numbers is too noisy either. If it was indeed extreme bad luck, you'd see some of the same bad on/off numbers for the Cleveland starters, but Evan's notably stands out. But you really can't fault his defense, I think that him being an offensive liability is what's bringing his numbers down. He has relatively high usage rate but average shooting for his position.

  • Ian Geertsen
    Ian Geertsen 4 months ago

    Ben taking shots! Love it!!

  • callmecatalyst
    callmecatalyst 3 months ago +1

    this is one of the greatest videos i’ve ever seen on youtube. full stop.

  • Marione Manzanilla
    Marione Manzanilla 4 months ago

    Watching these highlights shows that Mobley is doing the right plays but watching the whole game, him slacking on the 3pt line (him and Allen actually) makes players or teams not good at shooting 3 suddenly get better at shooting 3s. Is it better to defend 2pts or 3pts?

  • Kwijiboz
    Kwijiboz 4 months ago +1

    7:00 Great analysis as always, but as a Spaniard I gotta defend my boy Santi Aldama (Aka Slim Spain, aka Santi Claws) he's a 37% 3pt shooter.

  • Tong Zhang
    Tong Zhang 3 months ago

    One reason why I don't watch "sport show" anymore, is that most (like Perkins did) are just going at low hanging fruit.
    Content with film analysis and deeper statistical analysis with film validation (such as this channel) is the best that you can get and worth watching.

  • Joseph Ramos
    Joseph Ramos 4 months ago

    Another cause of bad on/off numbers is he is paired with Love as part of the second unit. Love is not running to contest 3 point shooters.

  • aleks jamnik
    aleks jamnik 4 months ago

    got to also rember we traded alot of our wings for donna who aldo playing good defence rn he isnt exatcly the best we did just trade defence for better offence the load both allen and mobely have defentiely increased on defence

  • SiR_StReTcHmArKs
    SiR_StReTcHmArKs 4 months ago

    Clevelander here, if you watch Mobley this year compared to last year you can see huge leaps in his post game, pull up jumper from, pick and roll defense and rim protection. He’s all over the court at all times, it’s crazy how many ft he can cover just in zone. He’s a fantastic player he does all the right things, he plays basketball with fundamentals in mind. He’s not focused on getting 20ppg cause that’s not how the Cavs need him to play, he’s our 3rd or 4th option. Fans expects these players to be studs in their first couple season but not a single person knew about Jokic outside of Nuggets fans his first two seasons, a similar thing goes for Giannis. If Mobley was taken by Houston I think he’s a 20 and 10 guy easy. In Cleveland we need him for his great IQ and fundamentals that shined while he was at USC he’s a perfect fit for this team although he would be the first option on either team that passed on him.

  • Silkee
    Silkee 4 months ago

    I'm responding to the headline as I listen. With a lot of respect for Donovan Mitchell and his growth in Cleveland, focusing on being a playmaker for others first has never been his mission overall. You see him do it very well when forced to do it because of double teams, but his teammates don't expect him to pass as a rule. In a way, Garland has become more selfish too as he tries to prove he's better at it than Mitchell.
    Yes.....this is a comment about Evan Mobley, a guy who can only do as much as his coach and playmakers allow. He does 90% of his production without being a focal point of anything on offense. Aaron Gordon in Denver is a great example of what can happen if you actually regularly call a players number.

  • James Jafolla
    James Jafolla 4 months ago +2

    This is half a break down on Mobley and the other half on why Perk is in a slump on his takes. I mean his takes are cold.... ice cold.

  • Blackfrog67
    Blackfrog67 4 months ago

    Mobley gonna be great, everybody say he looks like KG, I say he reminds me of Tim Duncan, quite unselfish guy, who will always pass a good shot for a great shot. Once he get's that shooting ability up, dude gonna be problem for the NBA.

  • kwykwyk
    kwykwyk 4 months ago

    Can you do a video on the other sophomore seasons? Scottie Barnes, Jalen Suggs, etc?

    • Ron Mexico
      Ron Mexico 4 months ago +1

      Scotties been great in recent weeks, so I’m not sure the video would be as impactful since they’d just be reiterating the obvious. The Mobley stuff is more interesting because it’s harder to quantify defence unless you actually watch the team regularly leading to some big misperceptions

  • future hofer
    future hofer 4 months ago +2

    I believe that difference isnt bad luck, I believe that most of the times Mobley plays with Allen, and he ends up guarding more power forwards, but because he has this tendency of protecting the inside, (maybe) the Cavs defense ends up giving up more open 3s when they have Mobley and Allen.
    Thats my guess tho

    • future hofer
      future hofer 4 months ago +1

      so I just finished the video and he later said something similar to this lol

  • Jussi Kauramäki
    Jussi Kauramäki 4 months ago

    Maybe teams shooting more triples because Mobley cant guard that well on the 3p line or something, theres always a reason certain stats

  • Benn Darayta
    Benn Darayta 4 months ago

    If you actually watch Cleveland games, you can see Mobley's impact on both ends of the floor with his length. He is a big reasons why Cleveland is one of the best defensive teams in the league, stats doesn't tell you the whole story.

  • aj adeleye
    aj adeleye 4 months ago

    I would love LOOOOVE to have this dude on OKC. He a hooper fr

  • David Febreeze
    David Febreeze 4 months ago +1

    Perkins of all people asking when Mobley (in his second season) is going to turn into a top 5 center is a joke😂

  • Lor Sterling
    Lor Sterling 4 months ago +8

    Wonderful analysis

  • D2 Masochist
    D2 Masochist 4 months ago

    Best basketball channel period. I learn so much

  • HeelvsBabyface Out of Context

    Mobley is 1st in defensive win shares, 1st in real plus/minus, 3rd in defensive rating, 4 in D-Lebron, in the 99th percentile for rim points saved, has contested the most 3 pointers in the NBA, is the second best isolation defender behind OG Anunoby and his 42 passes a game is 6th among bigmen in the NBA. Just putting that out there

  • David Race
    David Race 4 months ago

    Poor Perk... that dunk that Blake Griffin put on his head years back has him verbally incontinent.

  • PingPing
    PingPing 4 months ago

    I see a little tim duncan in him. Always patient and good defensively, but very selfless players.

  • LukasLambs
    LukasLambs 4 months ago +17

    Ben Simmons has more triple doubles than Michael Jordan. Let that sink in.
    Numbers and stats of all kind can be misleading without context.

    • Taj Mula
      Taj Mula 4 months ago +1

      that comparison is misleading because ben simmons literally plays a triple double style

    • Darren Gordon-Hill
      Darren Gordon-Hill 4 months ago +4

      Ben Simmons is taller thzn Michael Jordan.
      Let that sink in.

    • Corey Shafarman
      Corey Shafarman 4 months ago +12

      @Taj Mula that’s his point though

    • TheMusiqKing
      TheMusiqKing 4 months ago +9

      @Taj Mula literally the point of the post...
      What you did was *add context* and OP said "numbers and stats of all kinds can be misleading without context"

    • LukasLambs
      LukasLambs 4 months ago

      Yeah my whole point was just stats no context can make an idiot think Ben Simmons is better than Michael Jordan lol

  • Steve Ridgeway
    Steve Ridgeway 4 months ago

    I promise everyone he’s gonna be a HOF and I’ll die on this hill🫡🫡

  • Tommy Cleary
    Tommy Cleary 4 months ago

    He's on the trajectory to be 20ppg or more within 2 years. I bet my comment is gonna age well lol
    My only concern is shot attempts with Mitchell and Garland as the offensive #1 and #2

  • Matthew Goforth
    Matthew Goforth 4 months ago

    Watching ESPN analysis shows to farm for content is doing God's work. This video is evidence those shows can still provide some value if they inspire channels like Thinking Basketball.

  • Nick Fowler
    Nick Fowler 4 months ago +1

    His offensive development has been very real. On a bad team he could easily be at 19+ PPG but that’s not what his team needs

    • Youngin
      Youngin 4 months ago

      The only element this cavs team is missing to be a contender is a 3PT specialist. They have insane defense, rebounding, and shot creating, but they’re just not a threat from outside.

    • Nick Fowler
      Nick Fowler 4 months ago

      @Youngin yeah unless Garland and Spida are cooking there’s virtually no shooters outside of Kevin Love

  • Shaolin E
    Shaolin E 4 months ago

    I’m a pistons fan and even I have faith in him to be a Chris Bosh type

  • JAI Tiller
    JAI Tiller 4 months ago +1

    Crazy how the media puts so much expectations on 18-21 year olds, acting like they’re gonna turn into Luka or Ja Morant right away smh

    PICTURE ME ROLLIN' TV 4 months ago

    In addition, there's only 1 basketball on the floor. Last year's numbers were without the addition of Mitchell. Mitchell is naturally going to take some of those offensive opportunities away from everybody else. The Cavs defensive strategy with drop coverage and mobley roaming off of average corner shooters is prob a big reason why the 3 point on/off numbers are effected. If the Cavs played a "switch everything" defense, those on/off 3 point numbers wouldn't be so lopsided. Imo.