@Dragoonsoul7878 What will change if all the people who care appear to be in the extreme majority???🤔🤔 A LOT or they either keep what's working the same🤓
@Moi A Because the policies that twitch is putting in place, is pushing certain streamers to leave the platform and find some other social media to make money off of, which in turn, limits the amount of content that would otherwise be outputted by streamers on twitch, causing less viewers to participate.
I dont like blaming blizzard because Ive been with blizzard for over 20+ years and still using the same email to log in, I just blame activision because they are the greedy bastards who killed blizzard lmao
2023 really is the year of companies making the most negatively viewed changes to their platforms which 80% or more of their users despise (ex. Twitch, Discord, etc etc)
This is madness. These policy changes are completely absurd and will extremely limit the content available on the platform....unless there are shadier things going on behind the scenes.
I mean this is coming from the same place that had a "deer girl" which was some really excuse my french here ugly dude RPing as a deer and talking about white supremacy etc etc.
I'm so sick of so many platforms turning to shit, if you do leave twitch I'll follow whatever platforms you move to because you're one of the streamers I enjoy watching for the games, commentary, and the community
Clip-Share is at least somewhat functional with somewhat recent changes (swearing, clarification on policies, etc.) so at least they're better than Twitch. Marginally.
it is a rule in capitalism: then you become big enough you can abuse your customers as you want. Problem is that many people maybe ok with it because they didn't see better way or get used to it. Quality of service/product is not a priority on such scales.
@inevespace like how you're forced to have auto insurance (storage or not) in the states otherwise you're committing a crime. It's dumb and I want to go somewhere else.
I'm a Twitch affiliate as well and I've noticed myself the mass exodus of viewers from the platform as well. This is truly the death of the platform for ALL of us regardless of what you're talking about anyway. Is it time to jump ship and go to KICK now!?
honestly? I say go for it. Do a few more twitch streams, communicate to your following that you're moving platforms, and hopefully have as much of your community as possible travel with you
@Death Valley Gaming what about Clip-Share? In fact, you should multistream to as many platforms as possible, even platforms you wouldn't think your target demographic would be on. I'll give you a perfect example of this so you'll see why it's worth it: You've probably heard of the game Genshin Impact. Anyone were familiar with that game has also probably heard of the game they made after that called star rail. Now, these are very popular games with a lot of young people playing them, and one particular meme from Star rail was one of the characters Japanese attack voice lines "KURU KURU!" Somebody took those adorable voice lines (which were already a meme because of how freaking cute they were) and vocoded it over the Super Mario world ending theme, specifically the part that you hear in the "pet the X" memes. That video currently has 2.2 million views on Clip-Share. Guess where the video came from? Facebook. That's right, FACEBOOK spawned a viral meme for a popular gocha game. If you actually care about growing your audience, stream everywhere at once, Clip-Share, TikTok, kick, and yes, even Facebook.
This is informative, and unfortunate. I deleted my account one year ago. I missed out on tens of thousands of dollars as a result, but it was worth it to give the middle finger based on how badly they were treating loyal creators that spent a decade on the platform at the time. This feels validating, and hopefully more people do the same. I stand with destiny!
I really appreciate and like to support Charlie because he's a business man who is completely upfront about everything. On top of that he actually pulls of so many projects and collabs.
If Kick can iron out whether or not they want to allow porn or not (which was their main selling point) and move on to other points of the site, Kick could really steal a huge chunk of Twitch's userbase.
They wouldn't even really need to decide. They could have an alternate site called Kick In The Dark or something and have that exclusively be adult content. Problem solved and keeps both separate
Porn isn't allowed. That was just misinformation being spread by certain people Kick has been banning people for violating the tos as of recently. The difference between Kick and Twitch is they won't ban you for things you can't control or accidents. I.E a nip slip or accidentally clicking a link and nudity popping up.
Yeah. I'm waiting for the platform to mature a little bit, figure out exactly what it wants to do and be, and I'll be setting up to jump ship. Granted, content creators have been similarly griping about Clip-Share for years now, and....well...here we are 😅
I love how he just gets into it, no delay, and goes straight to the point. I'd love to see more content creators talk like this. None of this baiting for time bullshit. I really hope twitch just drops this whole thing.
Dude I cant tell you how annoyed I am with the phrases - I'm going to go ahead and.. - Let's get into it - Let's dive into it - Without further ado Because by the time content creators say that, it has usually been 7 minutes into a video and I've received no information.
I remember when Clip-Share went through policy hell in 2015-17 with demonitization and almost entirely banning swearing and people started moving to twitch once it started advertising it’s less strictness and now it’s the opposite twitch is being money hungry and streamers are moving to Clip-Share for near risk free streaming
What they don't understand is that they are nothing without the streamers, these aren't employees that you can just take away from them and add it to your profits, creators have their own businesses and brands, as twitch you're only a platform. A business like Amazon should understand that!
I'm not even surprised that the person that handles the twitter account (and probably the PR department) is terrible at giving an "apology" that doesn't insults people's inteligence if the company that said Twitter account belongs to is rotten to the core Also, what the hell were they trying to do? how the hell limiting the ways users can put ads in their streams benefits them in any way?
He explained how it would benefit them in the video. It would force all the streamers to only get sponsors through them, therefore taking a high percentage of their income gains from sponsorships. That's what they wanted.
I can see a lot of larger streamers threatening to leave the second the contract is up thanks to this. If they enforce this and start banning people its gg there will be a mass exodus to other platforms.
Its almost like these companies have forgotten a single rule "you exist because of us". Driving away their viewer base is a platform breaking moment. Twitch needs to remember this rule, and be reminded of that rule.
i feel bad for all the people aka streamers that have this as a job, but damn, i just felt like all my personal hard work just went down the dumpster with a nuclear fire.
I'm not the largest streamer, but I ended my partnership with Twitch immediately.. I'm sick of companies as a whole screwing over consumers for greed or to push some kind of socio-political agenda.. I'm just done and the platform won't be missed. I think at a certain point the small setback is entirely made up for by standing up for what you believe in. Sure I lose a little income but I'll sleep well and will be content with myself knowing I told a company like this to shove it
I can't help but think that specific sizing and restrictions (to me) sounds like they might be trying to have an AI program scan a stream for branding or something along those lines and cut out the human aspect. I could be wrong, but it sounds like they might have thought about riding that wave.
Well-said. Also noticed that Twitch hasn't been showing the right amount of revenue I'VE EARNED. They claim I'm not owed anything from them even though I've DEFINITELY broken through the payout threshold...
it's pretty upseting for streamers like me who have been streaming for a couple of years to now just be forgotten with the shit twitch has been doing. i will probably need to start streaming on youtube now, just throwing away the years of fun and memories i had on twitch. pathetic.
I can't believe this is actually surprising to anybody that streams on twitch after doc got banned. I knew they dug the first shovel full of their grave
Aaaand as pretty much everyone predicted, they backpedaled on the whole thing yesterday, barely 24 hours later. This is going to push a lot of people off the platform regardless though. It's hard enough for us small streamers to make ends meet as it is...
I am so happy that twitch is doing this. I hope it is done with bad intent and push many streamers to other platforms. This will creat some exitment and atyles of content
The moment I saw the Twitch CEO trying to awkwardly engage with Filians stream on a YT short, I knew Twitch had to be slowly going bust - that they must have been getting desperate if that kind of dude is getting involved. Ah well, shouldn't have grown so big with so many staff and just kept their streamers happy.
I love fun, goofy sometimes even homemade ads, donutoperator, you & others make ads that are watchable and benefit both the watcher, company and the influencer, twitch obviously is on that money grind absolutely tightening the grip on the gaming and general streaming community watching the life in their eyes figuratively fade away for some quick cash which wont benefit them Longterm.
Twitch's greed will come back to bite them big time. I have a huge amount of regret that I signed up for their Affiliate program! I look back wishing I had started on Clip-Share now
From Twitter, twitch, Reddit, etc all these companies have been bitten by the greed bug on trying to squeeze more money out of their patrons. It's really shitty of them, instead of innovating, they are all making their platforms virtually unusable
I'm not much of a Twitch watcher and NEVER a game channel. However, even i know that's a ridiculously f*cked idea if that policy update is something they strictly adhere too. Especially, after they adjusted the way they pay. Whenever someone is doing something illegal to make money, I've always said: 1. Never get too greedy. 2. Never get too relaxed/ comfortable in the way the biz is going. However, quite often those rules can apply to any legit biz as well
Honestly I thought twitch had buried their reputation because of the fact that they will just ban people for absolutely no reason which says a lot considering Clip-Share
I gravitated away from twitch and streamed to Clip-Share mostly. I hope this can be fixed or other video platforms can exist. It doesnt seem fair to streamers at all.
Twitch streamers need to be very careful about getting into long contracts from now on. Twitch could introduce some random restriction that prevents them fulfilling their end of the contract and some corptrash will be able to sue the streamer.
What eventually kills platforms like this is that the legal and corporate jungle you have you navigate eventually make it too difficult to navigate that it 1) Prevents new people joining it and 2) Makes people leave it. In the end every step becomes a fight as you cut your way through the bush with a machette only to have to fight an anaconda and when you're tired and frustrated and bleeding out you realize the bushes behind you has grown back and now a T-Rex is chasing you with a giant strap-on.
I've rarely ever watched Twitch, but I have definitely noticed lots of youtubers I watch starting to stream on youtube and fully abandoning Twitch for youtube
If I were any of those big streamers, even if twitch reverts this I would still look to find another platform, this shows intent as with all the previous changes, it shows Twitches pokes the bear, to see what they can get away with, and what not but they will definetely try to fuck with your income again.
nothing but a calculated risk, they knew for sure they were gonna bleed streamers, trusting it wouldn't be enough to kill the plateform and that it would be profitable in the end, our goal is to prove them wrong
Lifecycle of a company: 1. 3 dudes in a basement get an idea 2. they work their ass off to make it work 3. they are suddenly rich and make an actual company 4. they retire and let other people take care of it 5. those people implement dumb changes because their company ego is too high 6. eventually people get tired of their bullshit and move business elsewhere
It seems most companies now a days have gotten extremely greedy, Reddit, Twitter, Twitch, etc, are implementing new policies to gain extra revenue. They aren't satisfied with their billions of dollars they get, they want more and it's sad.
It's exactly as you think. They want a cut of everything. I guarantee the thought process is "You use our platform to make money, we should get some of it"
love the way every time twitch does something new it pisses off everyone, and yet they keeping making it worse??😭 like i’m so confused where’s the logic
Frankly, if Clip-Share decided to actually _try_ at making their streaming section more navigable and fleshed out instead of just occasionally bribing Twitch streamers to switch over, Twitch wouldn't stand a chance. Every year I witness Twitch sink deeper and it perplexes me why Clip-Share won't invest more time into improving their streaming interface.
Clip-Share doesn't need to that's why. Despite how much ppl complain, Clip-Share has become almost a must have. Twitch is niche and will always be. Clip-Share just has to wait and they will outlive Twitch easily.
Twitch just knows it doesnt have competitors. I'm 100% sure it won't lose any significant amount of streamers, both Asmongold and you mentioned that you will stream occasionally on twitch and won't leave it forever which means everyone understands that theres no alternative to twitch that could make you the same amount of money
Glad I only stream on youtube. I hope a few changes happen to help youtube live. I just want more ability to code and interact with chat. More support like that would really help.
Twitch’s ability to self-destruct is truly inspiring. Their website is already borderline unusable, they cut everyone’s pay, and now they’re doing this shit.
Moist is really mad about Twitch’s tactics to have everything go through them first and how greedy they are being. He’s right. Twitch is acting like the Federal government. I wish people would get as upset with the Federal government’s abuse.
See the bounty board sounds like a great idea for upstarting streamers and what they should have done instead of trying to force already successful streamers that don’t need them for brand sponsorships to take part in stuff like that- is incentivize newer streamers to part take in it by actually helping them grow their presence Until their also big enough to do their own thing rinse and repeat with another person.
I guess twitch forgot that streamers are not employees but rather independent contractors. I have no idea why anyone would want to deal with this kind of micromanagement.
It feels like Twitch is acting like it really thinks it's the only streaming service people can use and that they can do whatever they want because there's nowhere else to go. The ironic part is that these changes are giving other streaming services the opportunity to take over.
I very much prefer youtube because unlike twitch,streams in youtube do not become lost media after 60 days If the streamer does not upload the vod on youtube
Honestly, I kind of find it beneficial. It will allow streamers (new ones) to be heard and recognized instead of these top streamers. The way that Twitch was supposed to be. But that's just me.
It's so funny when streaming corporations do something, that inconveniences their users financially, and then get surprised when they leave the platform. It's so mind boggeling how incompetent they are at what they do.
I’m conflicted, as a consumer, I like less ads, but as a fan of these creators I hate that they’re losing money. People complain about twitch ads but this is not the way to fix this
This is a stepping stone. As you said, this is a means to force every streamer to get their sponsorship through Twitch. However, eventually Twitch will adopt a policy similar to the UFC where if a sponsor is not directly affiliated with Twitch, you are not allowed to stream in association with that sponsor. For context, the UFC adopted a similar policy where a fighter can only dedicate a small percentage of their kit to endorsements. A short time later, UFC fighters had to adopt a policy where a fighter was banned from endorsing competing companies who were otherwise directly affiliated with the UFC company brand. I. E. a fighter endorsed by Under Armour or Nike could no longer where Under Armour or Nike kit because the UFC as a company now has a contractual sponsorship with Reebok. Refusal to adhere to UFC policy invalidates any agreement to fight in the UFC forthwith. So imagine for a moment that a game streamer could no longer stream or had to suspend their stream because it was found out that this poor streamer was using a PC built by CyberPower, or Origin, or Digital Storm; and they violated Twitch policy because company policy clearly states that in order stream you must adhere to the company endorsement and be using a PC made by Acer or maybe even Apple; and this just steamrolls down the line. To what boom mics you can use, to what headsets can be used, what books livereader's are allowed to feature; all the way down to what chairs you are allowed to sit in should you even decide to continue live casting instead of Vcast.
For a second I thought Charlie cut his hair and I almost started freaking out. Never ever cut your hair Charlie, it will be the downfall to our society.
I hope youtube does not allow them Jacuzzi girls to be on this platform - reason why I left Twitch honestly, I love women, but seeing young women put themselves out there like that is just wrong....
Twitch: writes entire rule change like a text message that they didn't mean to send Everyone: wtf?! Twitch: jk I didn't mean to send that Everyone: Bullshit.
Over the last day or two the group I am with has noticed that Twitch has silently made 6 different revisions in their ToS without publicly notifying folks each with varying adjustments as if they cannot decide on what they want to do. My friend legitimately went to have something for lunch and not even after that short amount of time did he press f5 to reload and they changed stuff in it again from what he's been keeping up with.
@PurpleGoopGuy I wish I could tell you but I have only what ive written on here to go with from what my friend told me. Take this with a grain of salt if you'd like, you are entitled to your own opinion and conclusions.
What they could do issue recognized sponsors meaning, if you want to run ads from 3 sponsors you have to give twitch a 10% cut and tell them about each sponsor. That way they could also prevent scams and other stuff being promoted as ads.
I started on twitch like a year ago and love the platform and my buds on it but sadly Clip-Share, kick and whatnot are looking like the way to go because twitch is just making it harder for streamers to accomplish goals that have to do with income and that’s messed up
I bet there was a guy in financial department that got a promotion for noticing that twitch was missing out on a decent opportunity to make a profit and they figured its their platform so why arent they collecting the money that individuals earn. Also wasnt the platform originally for encouraging small streamers to make their own content? Idk all i know is twitch definitely changed alot in recent years
Honestly, the way Twitch and Blizzard have been competing so valiantly for the #1 spot in the Shoot Yourself in the Foot any% speed run without Charlie even offering the speed run challenge bounty is nuts. This is speed running at its finest
This is an issue in alot of areas these days... Instead of making what they have available enticing, they try to force you to use it... Many companies are doing this sort of thing these days... Creativity and customer service especially, are at an all time low...
Entertainment
Charlie, please don't bash Plutonium mixed with Stupid Juice. that shit slaps
True
hey it's berd
Nice name
Berd don’t forget to take your pills
Twitch is truly the embodiment of “if it ain’t broken, break it”
"if it's good, fuck it up"
" if it works, fuck it up
"if it's terrible, make it worse"
Like Riot games destroying their own game with changeing all the time every recent years/seasons.
I hate that saying but their are some things that shouldn’t be changed
ok
Yet it was broken already.
These corporations are going to learn soon that they aren't nearly as fail proof as they think they are, praying on their downfall.
Will they?
What will change if everyone who cares seems to be in the extreme minority.
@Dragoonsoul7878 What will change if all the people who care appear to be in the extreme majority???🤔🤔
A LOT or they either keep what's working the same🤓
just get a job lmao
Charlie needs his own streaming service with staff. The perfect platform.
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be
Fr
Retteb si tnetnoc ym esuaceb, pleh rof smaercs DNA seirc elttil rieht raeh ot slrig elttil epar ot evol I!😂👌
He basically does... He has a warehouse, an esports team, and his friends and few others create content all the time
cost will be plenty, especially for servers
Gotta admire Twitch's dedication to pissing everyone off at once, including streamers, advertisers, viewers, and their own damn employees
why would viewers care, it doesnt affect us at all, just rich streamers
@Moi A Because the policies that twitch is putting in place, is pushing certain streamers to leave the platform and find some other social media to make money off of, which in turn, limits the amount of content that would otherwise be outputted by streamers on twitch, causing less viewers to participate.
@Errortrossitynah
Under capitalism, all employees that have and self-awareness are always pissed off.
I swear. Twitch and Blizzard (Activision as a whole) are fighting for the title of the most incompetent company ever
they killed selfs. what ever man.
I dont like blaming blizzard because Ive been with blizzard for over 20+ years and still using the same email to log in, I just blame activision because they are the greedy bastards who killed blizzard lmao
ok
Rockstar on top
Props to Twitch for trying to make their website more profitable by making their website significantly less profitable.
Well there are idiots out there that think putting more holes in the boat will stop it from sinking !
@M. Dreamsit would fix it from floating though 🤓🥸🧐🤔
@m.hendrix3339 if you put enough holes in the boat there's no boat to sink
What If you put a boat in a hole 🤔 😮?
@M. Dreams how else do you get the water out then genius? You can't stop me from poking holes.
2023 really is the year of companies making the most negatively viewed changes to their platforms which 80% or more of their users despise (ex. Twitch, Discord, etc etc)
Even reddit now too lol
Wizards of the Coast
Don't forget abou Netflix
What does Discord do?
This is madness. These policy changes are completely absurd and will extremely limit the content available on the platform....unless there are shadier things going on behind the scenes.
Retteb si tnetnoc ym esuaceb, pleh rof smaercs DNA seirc elttil rieht raeh ot slrig elttil epar ot evol I!😂👌
ok
this time they killed themself
this is why a lot twitch streamer move to You Tube
I mean this is coming from the same place that had a "deer girl" which was some really excuse my french here ugly dude RPing as a deer and talking about white supremacy etc etc.
I'm so sick of so many platforms turning to shit, if you do leave twitch I'll follow whatever platforms you move to because you're one of the streamers I enjoy watching for the games, commentary, and the community
Clip-Share is at least somewhat functional with somewhat recent changes (swearing, clarification on policies, etc.) so at least they're better than Twitch. Marginally.
it is a rule in capitalism: then you become big enough you can abuse your customers as you want. Problem is that many people maybe ok with it because they didn't see better way or get used to it. Quality of service/product is not a priority on such scales.
@inevespace like how you're forced to have auto insurance (storage or not) in the states otherwise you're committing a crime. It's dumb and I want to go somewhere else.
Retteb si tnetnoc ym esuaceb, pleh rof smaercs DNA seirc elttil rieht raeh ot slrig elttil epar ot evol I!😂👌
I will never understand how these companies continuously make the worst possible decisions.
greed
@Brendan Marecic greed
Retteb si tnetnoc ym esuaceb, pleh rof smaercs DNA seirc elttil rieht raeh ot slrig elttil epar ot evol I!😂👌
You're not their best interest.
yea greed worked so well for assheimer bush.
I'm a Twitch affiliate as well and I've noticed myself the mass exodus of viewers from the platform as well. This is truly the death of the platform for ALL of us regardless of what you're talking about anyway. Is it time to jump ship and go to KICK now!?
honestly? I say go for it. Do a few more twitch streams, communicate to your following that you're moving platforms, and hopefully have as much of your community as possible travel with you
@JaxRyz _3 that's certainly food for thought, thank you.
@Death Valley Gaming what about Clip-Share? In fact, you should multistream to as many platforms as possible, even platforms you wouldn't think your target demographic would be on. I'll give you a perfect example of this so you'll see why it's worth it: You've probably heard of the game Genshin Impact. Anyone were familiar with that game has also probably heard of the game they made after that called star rail. Now, these are very popular games with a lot of young people playing them, and one particular meme from Star rail was one of the characters Japanese attack voice lines "KURU KURU!" Somebody took those adorable voice lines (which were already a meme because of how freaking cute they were) and vocoded it over the Super Mario world ending theme, specifically the part that you hear in the "pet the X" memes. That video currently has 2.2 million views on Clip-Share. Guess where the video came from? Facebook. That's right, FACEBOOK spawned a viral meme for a popular gocha game. If you actually care about growing your audience, stream everywhere at once, Clip-Share, TikTok, kick, and yes, even Facebook.
This is informative, and unfortunate.
I deleted my account one year ago. I missed out on tens of thousands of dollars as a result, but it was worth it to give the middle finger based on how badly they were treating loyal creators that spent a decade on the platform at the time. This feels validating, and hopefully more people do the same.
I stand with destiny!
That seems like the best thing to do anyway
Doesn’t even surprise me from twitch
They'll leave so fast it'll make their fans spin
Louis Rossman?!
EYYY ITS LOUIS ROSSMAN! Haha I love it when I see Clip-Sharers comment on other Clip-Sharers videos.
I really appreciate and like to support Charlie because he's a business man who is completely upfront about everything. On top of that he actually pulls of so many projects and collabs.
Retteb si tnetnoc ym esuaceb, pleh rof smaercs DNA seirc elttil rieht raeh ot slrig elttil epar ot evol I!😂👌
If Kick can iron out whether or not they want to allow porn or not (which was their main selling point) and move on to other points of the site, Kick could really steal a huge chunk of Twitch's userbase.
They wouldn't even really need to decide. They could have an alternate site called Kick In The Dark or something and have that exclusively be adult content. Problem solved and keeps both separate
@LuNa4Death shhhh... Don't give them ideas, bro
Porn isn't allowed. That was just misinformation being spread by certain people Kick has been banning people for violating the tos as of recently. The difference between Kick and Twitch is they won't ban you for things you can't control or accidents. I.E a nip slip or accidentally clicking a link and nudity popping up.
Yeah. I'm waiting for the platform to mature a little bit, figure out exactly what it wants to do and be, and I'll be setting up to jump ship.
Granted, content creators have been similarly griping about Clip-Share for years now, and....well...here we are 😅
This is half the reason why i wont wanna stream on Kick yet or try to, porns everywhere
Never underestimate a corporation's ability to pull out of their ass new ways to force people to give them more money.
I love how he just gets into it, no delay, and goes straight to the point. I'd love to see more content creators talk like this. None of this baiting for time bullshit. I really hope twitch just drops this whole thing.
Dude I cant tell you how annoyed I am with the phrases
- I'm going to go ahead and..
- Let's get into it
- Let's dive into it
- Without further ado
Because by the time content creators say that, it has usually been 7 minutes into a video and I've received no information.
I remember when Clip-Share went through policy hell in 2015-17 with demonitization and almost entirely banning swearing and people started moving to twitch once it started advertising it’s less strictness and now it’s the opposite twitch is being money hungry and streamers are moving to Clip-Share for near risk free streaming
Very kind from Twitch to give other streaming platforms a chance
Yep
my farts are better than Charlie’s farts
Don't read my name.!.
that’s actually very generous of them, now I think they should ban webcams on stream, it will really even the playing field
My sharts are chunkier than Charlie's sharts
What they don't understand is that they are nothing without the streamers, these aren't employees that you can just take away from them and add it to your profits, creators have their own businesses and brands, as twitch you're only a platform. A business like Amazon should understand that!
A business like Amazon understands streamers are easily replaced.
@Jubal They aren't, it's hard to find talent if Clip-Share has an environment that allows the best creators to thrive then it will beat twitch.
just get a job lmao
@Christopher Peery could say the same to you, spamming the whole comment section
@Tony Sand Man I already have one as a Director of Operations. What about you? Twitch streaming? 😂
Day by day, I tell myself that things can't get worse with Twitch. Day by day I am proved wrong. I hate this so much
We need Charlie to make his own platform that's like twitch
I'm not even surprised that the person that handles the twitter account (and probably the PR department) is terrible at giving an "apology" that doesn't insults people's inteligence if the company that said Twitter account belongs to is rotten to the core
Also, what the hell were they trying to do? how the hell limiting the ways users can put ads in their streams benefits them in any way?
He explained how it would benefit them in the video. It would force all the streamers to only get sponsors through them, therefore taking a high percentage of their income gains from sponsorships. That's what they wanted.
I can see a lot of larger streamers threatening to leave the second the contract is up thanks to this. If they enforce this and start banning people its gg there will be a mass exodus to other platforms.
Actually... what other platforms?
@MyVanir By other platforms I mean Clip-Share.
@Manny MulattoBeats Google's no better than Amazon.
@MyVanir kick
@MyVanir google is no better than amazon but twitch is definitely worse than youtube
Charlie tied up his hair for this special occasion of Twitch taking yet another common L. Truly a professional.
My farts are better than Charlie’s farts.
You know he's serious when he's shortened his hair.
I exposed charlie
Praying that he didn’t cut it
Props to twitch for giving charlie something to talk about
Thank you for sharing your insight on this. I didn't fully understand what was happening with Twitch and why people are moving away, but now I know.
Its almost like these companies have forgotten a single rule "you exist because of us". Driving away their viewer base is a platform breaking moment. Twitch needs to remember this rule, and be reminded of that rule.
i feel bad for all the people aka streamers that have this as a job, but damn, i just felt like all my personal hard work just went down the dumpster with a nuclear fire.
I'm not the largest streamer, but I ended my partnership with Twitch immediately.. I'm sick of companies as a whole screwing over consumers for greed or to push some kind of socio-political agenda.. I'm just done and the platform won't be missed. I think at a certain point the small setback is entirely made up for by standing up for what you believe in. Sure I lose a little income but I'll sleep well and will be content with myself knowing I told a company like this to shove it
"We missed the mark."
The line every soulless corporation says when they are only sorry they got caught.
Lmao fr
my farts are better than Charlie’s farts.
While they were taking a shot nobody asked for
That doesn't even make sense
How does this affect Lebron's legacy?
I can't help but think that specific sizing and restrictions (to me) sounds like they might be trying to have an AI program scan a stream for branding or something along those lines and cut out the human aspect. I could be wrong, but it sounds like they might have thought about riding that wave.
Interesting concept 🤔
Well-said. Also noticed that Twitch hasn't been showing the right amount of revenue I'VE EARNED. They claim I'm not owed anything from them even though I've DEFINITELY broken through the payout threshold...
You know Charlie is serious when he leaves up the poney tale.
it's pretty upseting for streamers like me who have been streaming for a couple of years to now just be forgotten with the shit twitch has been doing. i will probably need to start streaming on youtube now, just throwing away the years of fun and memories i had on twitch. pathetic.
I can't believe this is actually surprising to anybody that streams on twitch after doc got banned. I knew they dug the first shovel full of their grave
Imagine having a 45 billion dollar company and deciding, "You know what. That goose that lays golden eggs eats way too much..."
Looks like meat's back on the menu, Boys!
Welcome to capitalism. Obsessing over endless quarterly growth no matter how much money they make. Its never enough for them.
@Nick B they’re talking about streamers
Im watching the likes go up in the hundreds in real time on this comment
Remember: Twitch is owned by Amazon now, which is notorious for awful policies, especially for employees.
Aaaand as pretty much everyone predicted, they backpedaled on the whole thing yesterday, barely 24 hours later. This is going to push a lot of people off the platform regardless though. It's hard enough for us small streamers to make ends meet as it is...
Charlie needs his own streaming service with staff. The perfect platform very good
I am so happy that twitch is doing this. I hope it is done with bad intent and push many streamers to other platforms. This will creat some exitment and atyles of content
Very kind from twich to give other streaming platforms a chance
It takes pure dedication from a company to go to such lengths in order to ruin itself like Twitch does
My farts are better than Charlie’s farts.
Netflix is trying just as hard as Twitch
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well i mean netflix
Elon Musk: Allow me to introduce myself
The moment I saw the Twitch CEO trying to awkwardly engage with Filians stream on a YT short, I knew Twitch had to be slowly going bust - that they must have been getting desperate if that kind of dude is getting involved. Ah well, shouldn't have grown so big with so many staff and just kept their streamers happy.
Twitch is Dead but Charlie didn't forgot to pay his respects by after a long time tying his hair 🙌
I love fun, goofy sometimes even homemade ads, donutoperator, you & others make ads that are watchable and benefit both the watcher, company and the influencer, twitch obviously is on that money grind absolutely tightening the grip on the gaming and general streaming community watching the life in their eyes figuratively fade away for some quick cash which wont benefit them Longterm.
Twitch's greed will come back to bite them big time. I have a huge amount of regret that I signed up for their Affiliate program! I look back wishing I had started on Clip-Share now
You know it’s a serious video when Charlie is both moist from sweat and critical of something.
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oooOOOHHHH SHIIIIT IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!
From Twitter, twitch, Reddit, etc all these companies have been bitten by the greed bug on trying to squeeze more money out of their patrons.
It's really shitty of them, instead of innovating, they are all making their platforms virtually unusable
I'm not much of a Twitch watcher and NEVER a game channel. However, even i know that's a ridiculously f*cked idea if that policy update is something they strictly adhere too. Especially, after they adjusted the way they pay.
Whenever someone is doing something illegal to make money, I've always said:
1. Never get too greedy.
2. Never get too relaxed/ comfortable in the way the biz is going.
However, quite often those rules can apply to any legit biz as well
twitch really won the live streaming war against mixer, and then proceeded to destroy themselves lol
Honestly I thought twitch had buried their reputation because of the fact that they will just ban people for absolutely no reason which says a lot considering Clip-Share
I gravitated away from twitch and streamed to Clip-Share mostly. I hope this can be fixed or other video platforms can exist. It doesnt seem fair to streamers at all.
Damn, Twitch showing the streamers how to do it. I am in full support of twitch on this.
Twitch streamers need to be very careful about getting into long contracts from now on. Twitch could introduce some random restriction that prevents them fulfilling their end of the contract and some corptrash will be able to sue the streamer.
Do you think sponsors will void contracts because streamers can't follow their exact guidelines or do you think the contracts will be revised?
What eventually kills platforms like this is that the legal and corporate jungle you have you navigate eventually make it too difficult to navigate that it 1) Prevents new people joining it and 2) Makes people leave it. In the end every step becomes a fight as you cut your way through the bush with a machette only to have to fight an anaconda and when you're tired and frustrated and bleeding out you realize the bushes behind you has grown back and now a T-Rex is chasing you with a giant strap-on.
That's quite the mental image.
Twitch hasn't made a positive change to their platform in years... just keeps screwing over its streamers & viewers any chance they get
Twitch fans: "Twitch is impossible to kill"
Twitch staff: "Observe"
Definitely
Twitch fans when a functional member of society walks in
I think I read somewhere that when a company is “ too big to fail “ it automatically becomes its own competitor, aka you are your own worst enemy.
Twitch : Hold my Bud Light
@Prachetas Nayse real
I've rarely ever watched Twitch, but I have definitely noticed lots of youtubers I watch starting to stream on youtube and fully abandoning Twitch for youtube
If I were any of those big streamers, even if twitch reverts this I would still look to find another platform, this shows intent as with all the previous changes, it shows Twitches pokes the bear, to see what they can get away with, and what not but they will definetely try to fuck with your income again.
nothing but a calculated risk, they knew for sure they were gonna bleed streamers, trusting it wouldn't be enough to kill the plateform and that it would be profitable in the end, our goal is to prove them wrong
Hard to believe people used to say Twitch was the "Clip-Share killer".
at this point twitch and Clip-Share are in a battle to see who can be the stupidest with new policies
Lifecycle of a company:
1. 3 dudes in a basement get an idea
2. they work their ass off to make it work
3. they are suddenly rich and make an actual company
4. they retire and let other people take care of it
5. those people implement dumb changes because their company ego is too high
6. eventually people get tired of their bullshit and move business elsewhere
Circle of life.
😂
7. Someone else creates an alternative or picks up the torch, making actually good changes and inspiring trust in the company again.
8. Repeat from 4
lol 🤣
@Lemon Melon
9: repeat from 7
@Danzatas damn you guys just wrote infinite recursion
It seems most companies now a days have gotten extremely greedy, Reddit, Twitter, Twitch, etc, are implementing new policies to gain extra revenue. They aren't satisfied with their billions of dollars they get, they want more and it's sad.
yup. couldn’t have said it any better
this is what happens when corps believe they're too big to lose and fade away, until exactly that happens
It's exactly as you think. They want a cut of everything. I guarantee the thought process is "You use our platform to make money, we should get some of it"
love the way every time twitch does something new it pisses off everyone, and yet they keeping making it worse??😭 like i’m so confused where’s the logic
This is fantastic. Keep up the good work twitch. you should NEVER make money streaming....
Frankly, if Clip-Share decided to actually _try_ at making their streaming section more navigable and fleshed out instead of just occasionally bribing Twitch streamers to switch over, Twitch wouldn't stand a chance. Every year I witness Twitch sink deeper and it perplexes me why Clip-Share won't invest more time into improving their streaming interface.
Clip-Share knows it’s just a waiting game with Twitch
Clip-Share doesn’t really have to convince people to switch to their livestreams since twitch already does that for them.
Yt doesn't need to do shit, they just gotta wait
Clip-Share doesn't need to that's why. Despite how much ppl complain, Clip-Share has become almost a must have. Twitch is niche and will always be. Clip-Share just has to wait and they will outlive Twitch easily.
This is pretty much what happens when you let the mods control the platform with an iron fist.
Twitch just knows it doesnt have competitors. I'm 100% sure it won't lose any significant amount of streamers, both Asmongold and you mentioned that you will stream occasionally on twitch and won't leave it forever which means everyone understands that theres no alternative to twitch that could make you the same amount of money
Clip-Share
Glad I only stream on youtube. I hope a few changes happen to help youtube live. I just want more ability to code and interact with chat. More support like that would really help.
I am torn. I want Twitch to learn a lesson and explode sometimes, but I don't want the streamers to be negatively affected. This is abuse.
Don't fell pity about company or millionaire streamer 😆😝, shit go down & other will take advantage of it like kik😋
Twitch’s ability to self-destruct is truly inspiring. Their website is already borderline unusable, they cut everyone’s pay, and now they’re doing this shit.
It’s actually so hilarious how out of touch with everyone they are.
they lost a bet
im better than penguinz0
Moist is really mad about Twitch’s tactics to have everything go through them first and how greedy they are being. He’s right. Twitch is acting like the Federal government. I wish people would get as upset with the Federal government’s abuse.
See the bounty board sounds like a great idea for upstarting streamers and what they should have done instead of trying to force already successful streamers that don’t need them for brand sponsorships to take part in stuff like that- is incentivize newer streamers to part take in it by actually helping them grow their presence Until their also big enough to do their own thing rinse and repeat with another person.
Twitch is in their “fuck around and find out” arc and I’m here for it
I guess twitch forgot that streamers are not employees but rather independent contractors. I have no idea why anyone would want to deal with this kind of micromanagement.
In honesty, i am surprised this has not happened 6 years ago. the prospect of more money kills everything, as demonstrated here.
It feels like Twitch is acting like it really thinks it's the only streaming service people can use and that they can do whatever they want because there's nowhere else to go. The ironic part is that these changes are giving other streaming services the opportunity to take over.
my farts are better than Charlie’s farts.
@p-__ no my farts are better than your farts which you claim are better than Charlie's farts
@Baka Shinji and my fart is better than yours which u claims is better than the person who claims their fart is better than Charlie's
I very much prefer youtube because unlike twitch,streams in youtube do not become lost media after 60 days If the streamer does not upload the vod on youtube
Honestly, I kind of find it beneficial. It will allow streamers (new ones) to be heard and recognized instead of these top streamers. The way that Twitch was supposed to be. But that's just me.
It's so funny when streaming corporations do something, that inconveniences their users financially, and then get surprised when they leave the platform. It's so mind boggeling how incompetent they are at what they do.
I’m conflicted, as a consumer, I like less ads, but as a fan of these creators I hate that they’re losing money. People complain about twitch ads but this is not the way to fix this
This is a stepping stone. As you said, this is a means to force every streamer to get their sponsorship through Twitch. However, eventually Twitch will adopt a policy similar to the UFC where if a sponsor is not directly affiliated with Twitch, you are not allowed to stream in association with that sponsor.
For context, the UFC adopted a similar policy where a fighter can only dedicate a small percentage of their kit to endorsements. A short time later, UFC fighters had to adopt a policy where a fighter was banned from endorsing competing companies who were otherwise directly affiliated with the UFC company brand. I. E. a fighter endorsed by Under Armour or Nike could no longer where Under Armour or Nike kit because the UFC as a company now has a contractual sponsorship with Reebok. Refusal to adhere to UFC policy invalidates any agreement to fight in the UFC forthwith.
So imagine for a moment that a game streamer could no longer stream or had to suspend their stream because it was found out that this poor streamer was using a PC built by CyberPower, or Origin, or Digital Storm; and they violated Twitch policy because company policy clearly states that in order stream you must adhere to the company endorsement and be using a PC made by Acer or maybe even Apple; and this just steamrolls down the line. To what boom mics you can use, to what headsets can be used, what books livereader's are allowed to feature; all the way down to what chairs you are allowed to sit in should you even decide to continue live casting instead of Vcast.
For a second I thought Charlie cut his hair and I almost started freaking out. Never ever cut your hair Charlie, it will be the downfall to our society.
That's why i went to the comments i can't believe how hard it hit me before i realized
No.
Fr bro his hair is like the second thing we like about him
It’s now a rare Charlie variant.
Love seeing twitch’s downfall 🙏
I hope youtube does not allow them Jacuzzi girls to be on this platform - reason why I left Twitch honestly, I love women, but seeing young women put themselves out there like that is just wrong....
Twitch: writes entire rule change like a text message that they didn't mean to send
Everyone: wtf?!
Twitch: jk I didn't mean to send that
Everyone: Bullshit.
It’s always a bad time when policy isn’t enforced because there’s always that threat of them making a example of you
Dang, if only there was competition on the streaming market... Like some plateform that could "mix" things up to challenge twitchs monopoly
Over the last day or two the group I am with has noticed that Twitch has silently made 6 different revisions in their ToS without publicly notifying folks each with varying adjustments as if they cannot decide on what they want to do. My friend legitimately went to have something for lunch and not even after that short amount of time did he press f5 to reload and they changed stuff in it again from what he's been keeping up with.
What are the changes specifically?
@PurpleGoopGuy I wish I could tell you but I have only what ive written on here to go with from what my friend told me. Take this with a grain of salt if you'd like, you are entitled to your own opinion and conclusions.
What they could do issue recognized sponsors meaning, if you want to run ads from 3 sponsors you have to give twitch a 10% cut and tell them about each sponsor. That way they could also prevent scams and other stuff being promoted as ads.
Twitch want all the money and all the power
I started on twitch like a year ago and love the platform and my buds on it but sadly Clip-Share, kick and whatnot are looking like the way to go because twitch is just making it harder for streamers to accomplish goals that have to do with income and that’s messed up
I miss when critikal never revealed his face and had hilarious commentary.. I see the 13m subs he has now though good for him
I bet there was a guy in financial department that got a promotion for noticing that twitch was missing out on a decent opportunity to make a profit and they figured its their platform so why arent they collecting the money that individuals earn. Also wasnt the platform originally for encouraging small streamers to make their own content? Idk all i know is twitch definitely changed alot in recent years
Honestly, the way Twitch and Blizzard have been competing so valiantly for the #1 spot in the Shoot Yourself in the Foot any% speed run without Charlie even offering the speed run challenge bounty is nuts. This is speed running at its finest
blizzard has a redemption arc bc diablo 4 too good
Discord seemingly wants a piece of that action with this username nonsense...
@Atem Andrew what happened with discord? Missed that one
They are taking/took their very functional and accepted username system and are swapping to unique only twitter style @name with a second display name
This is an issue in alot of areas these days...
Instead of making what they have available enticing, they try to force you to use it...
Many companies are doing this sort of thing these days...
Creativity and customer service especially, are at an all time low...
You can tell Twitch still seems to believe that they're the only live streaming platform out there..
I wonder how impactful Amazon buying twitch has been on things like this lol